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Blade Runner (Final Cut) - Patreon Version

Hi Everyone!
We've got a super classic sci-fi movie this week, voted by... you! It's easy to see why this is such an iconic film. Everything about it was so unique and incredibly done. And it makes us want to watch MORE amazing sci-fi movies! I bet there are soooo many like this one out there that we have yet to see, so if you know of more definitely let us know!

Blade Runner (Final Cut) - Patreon Version

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Oh dang, totally missed that!!

Chandra

A bit late to this one but... Fun Cameo: The Millennium Falcon! It's propped upright in a wide shot following a flying car, posing as a building with the iconic front "forks" of the ship pointing upwards.

Simone's Coconut Squire

Today I learned that Ridley Scott, director of Blade Runner and the first Alien, considers them to be in the SAME universe! Apparently, in Captain Dallas's dossier, it states he previously worked for the Tyrell Corporation. Tyrell was the company that made the replicants! Also a tattoo on Todd's arm references Tannhauser Gate which is also mentioned in Blade Runner. And apparently Kurt Russell's film Soldier is also part of this universe as it also references the Battle of Tannhauser Gate.

Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary

Just wanted to drop some recommendations after watching this reaction, if that's alright. Blade Runner essentially invented the visual language of cyberpunk in film, at least a more modern version of it or proto-cyberpunk...and so some other cyberpunk or adjacent films I'd hope you two would check out: -Strange Days (1995) -Lawnmower Man -Judge Dredd (1995) would inform a Dredd (2012) watch, something to double feature -Gattaca (it's cyberpunk adjacent) -A Scanner Darkly -New Rose Hotel -eXistenz -Equilibrium -Johnny Mnemonic (B&W cut only, so you'd have to order the BD more than likely) -Nemesis (1992) A few Japanese cyberpunk films: -Death Powder -964 Pinocchio -GUNHED (1989) -Burst City (1982) And a FANTASTIC early 90s high budget pay channel series that is worth your time: Wild Palms.

tkitez

Batty's dying monologue is actually improvised by Hauer, significantly changed the tone of his death, the scene, and the message of the replicants lust for life in general. The original scripting was hokey and would have screened even worse in the theatrical cut. That original cut, by the by, was much more conventionally minded in that it was a 'happier' more concrete end. The final cut is the only one worth watching just for the change to the ending scene.

tkitez

That's good to know! We'll just have to be super observant haha

Chandra

Always happy share recommendations! Hopefully some of them are enjoyed if they get added on the watchlist for you two. As for the easter eggs and universe stuff. I won't spoil any of it but I will say they can be very subtle. The one in Blade Runner is very much "blink and you'll miss it" type of stuff. I didn't even catch it until I was told about it. I think a lot of the others ended up more on like DVD extras and such. Regardless always neat to consider and fun to try and spot and research about.

Donald

Ooooo, thank you so much for all of these recommendations!! And Blade Runner being in the same universe as Alien is wild! I want to rewatch both now to find the Easter eggs!!

Chandra

Obviously Blade Runner 2049 should make it on the list of "what's next" since you've watched this one. Returning to the Alien films/universe would also be great. Other movies with a sci fi theme that would be worth a watch could be Ex Machina (2014) which can really play on your mind. Equilibrium (2002) is also cool and deals with some interesting themes, even if its maybe a little cheesy or campy at times (I still love it). Upgrade (2018) is pretty decent for general action type sci fi. Pandorum (2009) is also really good that dips back into the Horror/Sci fi realm with a dash of mystery. Minority Report (2002) is also a really great dystopian sci-fi conspiracy thriller. (Fun fact: there is an unofficial-official canon out there that Blade Runner and Alien are in the same universe. It's all based on some comments by Ridley Scott himself, some easter eggs to each other in their movies as well as just a similar theme/aesthetic in general. )

Donald

Ooooh yes, so well put!!

Chandra

The big question: is Deckard a replicant or a human? I believe he's human because Deckard's transformation makes more sense that way. A lot of people point to the origami unicorn as evidence that he's a replicant because it means that Gaff (Edward James Olmos) knew about his memory/dream. But I think the unicorn at the end is symbolic. We can see by Deckard's reaction to it that he finally realizes that there's no fundamental difference between replicants and humans. Both are intelligent beings capable of suffering, which means they both have the fundamental right to not be exploited. Glad you enjoyed this film so much! It's not just great sci-fi, it's one of the best films of all time IMO.

JM63

Philip K. Dick, who wrote the novel, wondered what the defining characteristic of human beings was. His answer was "empathy". So the Voight-Kampf test identifies replicants by their lack of empathetic responses to the questions and prompts. The irony of the film is that the humans show no empathy towards replicants, who are human in every way except their reduced lifespans, while Deckard is saved in the end because of Roy's empathy. I think Deckard's journey is symbolized by his treatment of Rachel. After he kills Zhora, his hands shake because he feels like he's just committed murder. To relieve his guilt, he treats Rachel like an object and forces himself on her sexually. (I wish the film didn't use such a romantic score for this section.) But after being saved by Roy, he treats Rachel like an autonomous being. He asks her, "Do you love me? Do you trust me?" He gives her a choice instead of commands.

JM63

A Scanner Darkly and Minority Report are the well known ones. Impostor is "Under the radar" but it very well done!

Wade Wallenstein

That has been the biggest question for decades. Just another reason to watch it again lol

Wade Wallenstein

Oh that's great! I'd love to see those!

Chandra

Yeeeess, the writing is so so so good!!

Chandra

Wait WHAT!? I hadn't even considered that!! I think I'd have to watch the movie again with that question in mind to really form an answer.

Chandra

I couldn't agree more!! Everything about this movie was incredible ❤️

Chandra

Yeah! Now that we've seen the original we can watch the new one!

Chandra

Awesome, thank you for these!!

Chandra

Children of Men is phenomenal

JM63

Three sci-fi suggestions. First, the obvious one. "2001: A Space Odyssey" (1968), widely considered the best of the genre I would say, even one of the best films ever. It's a demanding movie, don't expect light fun stuff. It's really awesome. But if you are in the mood for the fun stuff, then go for "The Fifth Element" (1997). Over the top action-packed, hilarious movie. Pure entertainment. And finally, the realistic gritty one. "Children Of Men" (2006). Such a powerful story with one of the best camerawork you will ever see.

Fernando Alamán

Bladerunner 2049 is a must watch now for sure.

John Conti

Such an amazing film questioning what makes us human and questions what is moral.Still one of my all time favorite films especially the practical sets that make it feel so alive and real much more than CGI."I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die."Absolutely amazing line.This film was basically the reason I built my home theater to see it on a 120" screen with Dolbly Atmos is breathtaking.

John Conti

So now, the age-old question... Is Deckard a replicant? I know what Ford and Scott say but I'm curious what your thoughts are!

Nathan Jasper, the Artist Formerly Known as Primary

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... time to die." Roy's monologue is forever burned into my memory. It lives in a little room in my brain next door to the one where Quint's monologue about the U.S.S. Indianapolis lives.

Thomas Yanez

There are a few mores films based on Philip K. Dick stories as well: A Scanner Darkly, Minority Report and Impostor.

Wade Wallenstein

Oooo thank you for all of these recommendations!

Chandra

Wow, what a compliment to have Philip K. Dick say that about Harrison Ford's portrayal of Deckard!

Chandra

im also not going to watch cause blade runner bores me after watching it over a dozen times but i hope that you both enjoyed it very much

scott osborne

how the blooming heck did blade runner win that poll damn it voters they must of thought the same as me when the poll was up should we get you 2 to follow on continuing with the aliens and predator universe

scott osborne

So happy to see this uploaded! As you know I'm a huge Sci-Fi fan so I've seen this so many times over the years. Even bought a 7-Disc DVD/Blu-Ray set with all the different versions. The theatrical version has Deckard doing some narration but the ending isn't the best. You were right about the name of the novel! In Philip K. Dick's original novel, animals were virtually extinct, something that this movie only addresses in very subtle ways. In Dick's novel, the owls were the first creatures to die out. Also, the term "replicants" is used nowhere in it. They are instead called "androids" or "andies". The movie abandoned these terms, fearing they would sound comical spoken on-screen. Philip K. Dick died before the films release but was given a private screening. He said about Harrison Ford, "He has been more Deckard than I had imagined. It has been incredible. Deckard exists!" and he personally approved of Rutger Hauer, describing him as, "the perfect Batty-cold, Aryan, flawless". You should definitely watch Blade Runner 2049! The late Rutger Hauer starred in a lot of Sci-Fi films and one of my underrated favorites is "The Blood of Heroes"

Wade Wallenstein

Can't wait for this later! And yes, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" is also fantastic! My other big sci-fi rec is 2001: A Space Odyssey. Completely upended the sci-fi genre and paved the way for Star Wars. However, it may not be best to jump right into 2001 b/c Kubrick's style takes some getting used to. Dr Strangelove (1964) is kind of a sci-fi film and IMO the peak of Kubrick's early career. Paths of Glory (1957), which is about World War I, is another excellent early Kubrick work. I think it helps to get a sense of how Kubrick's style evolved before jumping into 2001. (Kubrick's next film, A Clockwork Orange, is another great 70s sci-fi classic.)

JM63


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