What do you think about consensual body hopping?

I love it when the hoppers have fun in their mounts, is a bit rough in the process. As long as they don't go too far.

Steven Allsopp

Well from what I understand, the thing that people DON'T like about body hopping (for those who have an issue with it) is the fact that the host doesn't give permission. It doesn't matter if the host enjoys themselves or not, just the fact that they don't have a choice is the main issue. And because of the nature of body hopping, generally there will be sexual stuff involved, meaning that the host didn't agree to that, meaning that it can be seen as a type of 'rape'. I realise that that part of it is exactly what people LIKE about it as well because it is taboo and because they are being forced to do these things they have no control over, but that aspect is what other people get offended by or have a distaste for, no matter if the host is seen enjoying the feeling or not. Most hoppers DON'T care about permission, and this is why it's a problem. What I'm suggesting is a sort of middle ground where the host is awake and aware and still enjoys themselves just like the hopper does. No idea if it would be any good for the people who like stories WITHOUT permission, but that's what I guess we'd find out.

Nexstat

I mean if you don’t like how body hopping is going you could add some aspects about it where they show mutual benefit like I mean you shoes that the host is going through extreme pleasure they being possessed so they could be a secret bar that is meant for body hoppers to look for someone willing but you shouldn’t take out the aspect that some people don’t give a fuck about permission when they have the power. I mean What I seen in the body hopping comic is that both party were having there fun and the host wasn’t left anything but satisfied so why would some hoppers care about permission, all I’m saying is don’t loose the aspect of character traits and personality cause that’s what really adds to the story

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'two parties engaging in play'. Well said MIM, I like that. Thanks 😊

Nexstat

Yeah, I'm more comfortable with a "Consensual" body hopping. I prefer shapeshifting, but this is your page and your work and you do you. Someone providing consent really does change the implications of the situation. It goes from a problematic act of one person against another to two parties engaging in play.

MrInternetMan

Yeah, that was really helpful, thanks! And I actually agree with you about Stream Sniped, it left a bitter taste in my mouth after all that. I think it would have been better for her to recover from that, but I actually have plans of Kimiko returning in a future comic to show that she came out alright after all that 😅 And I think Bar Hopping is probably where I would sit for the 'darkest' I want to go, so basically I want everyone to enjoy themselves (I mean the characters) in the comics. Although Jessica (purple dress) seemed out of it after the event, nothing bad came of her which I like. Thanks again!

Nexstat

I think there is definitely room for stories that deal with possession or body-hopping in a consensual way. What frustrates me most in a lot of stories is an identity or character death, where a character, after being possessed/transformed no longer bears any semblance to their former selves, both inside and out. It feels real iffy to me, where I don't see any meaningful difference between that and killing a character outright. Plus it's boring and cheap from a story perspective. And nonconsensual hopping can get pretty rapey. Imho 'Stream Sniped' went a bit too far, and while I thought 'Bar Hopping' did straddle the line it was enjoyable for the most part. Hope my opinion is at least somewhat helpful, but I'm sure you're able to create more stories within the bounds you're comfortable with. Oof this seems like a lot of text. Is it? Well, good luck.

Rafi

Wow, that was quite the reply! Thanks for putting in the time! Yeah, I've read that story you're talking about that went super dark and am actually friends with the author. I've told him how I felt about that story and how it was WAYYY too far for my tastes, and I think he knows that it's something very few people would like. I personally feel that costume gun stuff is much worse that possession or hopping as it's pretty much death. I'm not really a fan of character death or physical death, I want my characters to be having fun and aren't hurt. I think I went too far with Kimiko in 'Stream Sniped' for example as in the end she lost her stream because of the hopper's actions and even that left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth which I regret. I understand what you mean by consent going against the nature of a hopper, especially because the taboo of it all is kinda the attraction of the whole concept, but there is room for growth and telling different stories around a similar theme. I'm glad you liked Bar Hopping though! I liked making it, and I especially wanted to show the people having fun in that one rather than ruining lives. I'm glad you agree that there is room for this kind of experimentation with a different aspect of hopping! 😊

Nexstat

Wall of text incoming: I will not reveal my pen name here (if you would like to ask in a private message please feel free), but I was one of the few who brought the body hopper genre back when it had originally phased out many many years ago. It was always met with a more skeptical eye than other forms of TGF due to the difference from other methods, including the basic possession. But that is why I was so compelled to write stories and captions about it. The idea of someone literally being entered by another being and having them control them, along with the "weakness" of being discovered by having a picture taken or through a mirror.... it was always interesting as to try and keep up appearances but to also be able to have fun in a mount. The silver lining was always that the hopper could rework the mounts memories to play into their narrative so the person hopped thinks they themselves did all those things and has some rationale behind it, or to wipe it completely. It was also a nice break from the norm. Most TGF stories involve a lesson being taught, or being punished, or at the end the characters don't swap back and are somehow entirely ok with the fact they are no longer themselves. It was a more edgy genre that was more about having fun, along with a set of rules and such, as opposed to someone just going about all willy nilly. My eyes see it as no worse than say a caption by Evie Hyde where someone is transformed into an entirely new and cruel person whilst their old self is wiped from the face of the earth thanks to identity death. These situations have become almost a standard within the stories (especially interactives) to where the moment someone is changed, their old self is dead That said, I have read one story (which I will not name the title nor author because it does not deserve the promotion) where a hopper literally ruins a young woman's life and leaves her to die at the end. That along with the more sinister captions written by some folks painted body hopping in a negative light, and to be honest I feel the genre has never recovered. To that end, the costume gun genre i feel was born of the initial idea of hopping, though that is my interpretation. As someone who worked on many hopping stories, I find that consent was always iffy. It went against the nature of the hopper and took away the thrill of a "victim"... I say the because the oroginal concept had hoppers as a vampire-like being almost. They were only known to exist to other hoppers and those who have not had the gene awoken in them yet. In some sense I see it as taking about a core pillar of the genre, but it could be worked out in an interesting way. Roundabout way of saying: if you can do it; do it! Your story Bar Hopping was beyond brilliant and did not cross the line into anything too dark... the hoppers were just out having fun and not harming anyone. You can have non-consenting possession and still allow the characters to enjoy themselves. Also if you wanna message me and chat about it all, feel free.

Blackie Blackerson

Fair enough! Sounds to me like consensual is the go!

Nexstat

Yeah I'm not a fan of body swapping either, I agree

Nexstat

it doesn't really matter to me too much. i do however dislike when the person is obviously against being body hopped. as long as the possessed person isn't crying or having their life ruined it doesn't bother me.

I love tg transformstion body swap is too boring for me it is difficult to dive into such a story, I think

Stormfries

Haha, very nice! I can definitely see some shenanigans playing out 😄

Nexstat

If both parts agree with it certainly will soft some invading issues. Now, to make it better could be that both parts benefit from that agreement. Just to make a funny example, what about two opposite roommates, one shy and the other outgoing, but both are in love of a boy that is opposite to them. So, what they do? they help each other body hopping into each other during a date. The shy can teach at the outgoing to control herself while the outgoing can help at the shy to relax some. This can lead to some hilarious situations as one of the girls can interrupt the other and ask her to body hop into her to help her deal with a situation.

Max Writer

I’m ok with the consensual bodyhopping and shapeshifting. I just hope there will be a character who has both a therapy and body-hopping license for literal profession purposes, to help make the consensual part more profound and definitive.

bill930505

Wow, didn't know you liked Shapeshifting, Lenio! Thought you were purely body swapping 😉

Nexstat

Haha, I'm sure there are 'nice' body hoppers out there...

Nexstat

I don't think there would be anything wrong with consensual body-hopping, and that is a story I wouldn't mind to read :D I think I like shapeshifting too, since one of my favorite stories ever (My Bodyswap Seduction by Lexie X) is about that.

LenioTG

I'm for it either way to be honest, though a mutual consent does make it more comfortable. Plus it's be nice to see body hopping done for some good, it lets the people who maybe aren't as on board feel more morally comfortable

SwishStream

This is more of a direct response to why people voted for shapeshifting over Body Hopping. A lot of people did because they have a problem with body hopping, so I'm seeing if this would change anything. That last poll answer is just there for people who don't care about the issue, and simply voted for shapeshifting because that's their preference, not because of the issue Adding that extra option wouldn't give me any extra useful data, because they can choose option 1 if that's how they feel

Nexstat

Shouldn't you have an "I wouldn't find it as disturbing, but still much prefer shapeshifting" option as well?

Zeno