Chapter 2 game direction
Added 2024-04-28 02:57:47 +0000 UTCI ask for an honest opinion.
Since I will be continuing the game from NTR storyline. How many people will be mad if I change the game into Netori, using Sayako all of the sudden? But have Jack pov?
Because at this point, I have no idea what people want and I stay in permanent stuck in the loop.
This is what I am trying to do with Paradise Island. See if people like it or not. Because I have no idea what kind of formula people want since I am more to nukige.
If I do it like soraue, I will 100% got tear to shreds.
If I do it like isekai elf, I am not even sure if people like it.
Comments
Could be an interesting idea but, Jack is not one of the characters I mentioned tbh, XD. This is why I literally said, NTR playing as the cuck not the thing in my game tbh. I do want to build the story for him in chapter 2. But, seeing how I am doing, it is literally not going so well. Anis can do well because he has incest card and a lot of people supported him so much. While, me, I got wrecked pretty bad and couldn't get a growth that much due to a bad review I keep getting and I really tried that people won't fight each other. This is why I said, this game failed, specifically chapter 1. So, I am going to shift the game to Netori(Play as Sayako) and NTR(Can see from Jack pov). Since those 2 are my preferences. I just like shadow plays and stuff. Which is why I am going to try something new. This is why a lot of dev keep ending some of their game asap and try something new. Which, I am going to shift the game to Netori that I have always wanted to do. I am just building up a story that people will be able to play as Sayako one day and got the goodies. Because to be pure NTR. It just feels miserable as Jack.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 20:31:14 +0000 UTC"It feels miserable playing as the MC." Just an idea, I have no idea if it might help. We have 2 MCs (Jack and Sayako), only Jack is PC until the end of Chapter 1. A second general as an intermediate boss would help in chapter 2, perhaps at the beginning? He launches a surprise attack on the group that has just left Eversea Town as revenge on the group that defeated the first general. Jack could have been seriously injured, for example when he tried to protect the group members and fell into a coma. As Sayako, the player and the group take revenge and defeat the 2nd general without Jack. Jack, in a coma, has a short nightmare vision from his previous lives, where he may be watching in Nyxari's POV (the player doesn't know who the woman is until a later point) as she enthusiastically kills innocents and wipes out an entire city, as well as how Nyxaris against other gods/goddesses Fight as they desperately try to stop Nyxaris until he wakes up in tears in Kana's arms in the champ. He tells the group about his nightmare and Sayako gets the first hint that Jack could be a reincarnation. This could perhaps turn Jack's miserable condition into something mysterious, as the player has no information that the woman was the Goddess of Destruction. Only the player knows that Jack did terrible things as this woman a long time ago.
Sakui
2024-04-28 20:02:13 +0000 UTCYup, NTS literally means lending. But in this story, Jack supposed to be got so absorbed in NTR fetish. Like I said, I love NTS like anyone else, but my NTS differs differently. Because warped desires, that is the true NTS imo. Or even some japanese game that do NTS. Like kashidashi tsuma. So, I am going to try something. Because Netori and NTR mixed together, not even sure how. But isekai elf formula is really interesting one. It is part of psychology that playing as a male character totally feels miserable and I can understand that tbh.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 18:44:03 +0000 UTCSince there always seems to be discussion/disagreement about what exactly NTR vs. NTS means, by my definition NTR in this case is Jack's LI's getting stolen by Sayako. NTS means he could participate (sharing). If that's right, then I'm for NTR. I like the cuck route because I play it as Sayako is MC vs. Jack.
uncejay
2024-04-28 18:37:07 +0000 UTCthat's why for it to work. I need to make people have to play as Jack only. So, people will get attached to the MC himself. As in, pure pov of him. Soraue did this really well. That's the most successful NTR, but the dev had to do a low quality due to well. NTR is not doing well. I am not a really talented writer for it being depress simulator tbh.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 17:59:39 +0000 UTCYup, but Netorare is not doing really well. I have been trying to find a way to avoid people feel they are being cucked because I had a very bad mentality that causing me stuck in permanent loop. I even need to be really careful about execution as well. This is why I have been trying stuff here and there. The reason most devs end their series early and so on is precisely because their execution is failed imo. If I do it like soraue which is, a pure Jack pov. I 100% will got tear to shred. Even fujino got tear to shred for that SAO NTR finale. Because that is what NTR should be imo. An MC pov. I had no choice but to try another thing as well. That's why game like soraue is doing a low quality and pretty much short. Not many people able tolerate NTR. 1. It feels miserable playing as the MC. 2. Don't see a nice stuff. 3. I am pretty limited to what I can do. That's why it is so restrictive. But at the moment, I try to on hold the chapter 2 and find something to do with that Paradise Island.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 17:55:57 +0000 UTCSayako as a PC has even more potential than she already has. With POV switching between Jack and Sayako, Sayako is slowly being prepared for Chapter 4, when Sayako no longer needs to be restrained. Additionally, it allows Sayako that if the group learns about the existence of a third soul behind Sanako and Ayako, Sayako could convince the group of her intentions, even if her methods are evil and terrible, and help her avoid a worse evil, such as that Enemy of all gods/goddesses, but Jack and Kana have to be willing to sacrifice themselves. Just a spontaneous idea and just for fun, but not important. It would also be funny if the player in Sayako's POV also acts as a matchmaker. When Sayako notices that Yuki and Alice are very close, when the two happen to be talking about Jack and Kana's good upbringing in the last few years and also notices that the two of them always blush when Alice and Yuki talk to each other and Sayako decides, Alice and Yuki, because Sayako (at least Sanako and Ayako) is hoping for a threesome with the two of them.
Sakui
2024-04-28 13:20:41 +0000 UTCFirstly, those who like NTR must have an M tendency, which is to experience the pain of the male lead in order to have pleasure, and of course, there are also those who bring in a third party to feel pleasure. But in terms of the current direction of this game, the audience should be all M.
meokoi
2024-04-28 09:54:24 +0000 UTCThis is why I am pretty much being careful tbh. Because, if I made Kana just jump to dick like that without some reason. She can be considered a pure bitch. Which, I am trying to really avoiding it tbh. But, I think most people hate playing as Jack because it just feels miserable. Because it is part of psychology as well. Hell, even in MMO, most male player would play as a female character. But in this case, Netori will definitely win because Sayako just have a limitless potential. But yeah, I have been working on that Netorare, thinking of a proper execution, it made me stuck for a really long time tbh. Even that NTS I have been thinking on how to execute, but it will be just another "Please fuck my girlfriend or Go fuck someone else while I watch". But, Netorare doesn't bode well for me tbh. Thinking to do Paradise Island atm while I try to think of something for that monster lord.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 09:01:33 +0000 UTCTo be honest, I don't mind any form. I play pornographic games just to get a pornographic experience that suits my own sexual preferences. NTR+FUTA is my sexual obsession. So I just want to see various pornographic characters, pornographic sexual postures. There is no need to dwell on boring questions such as whether the plot is not reasonable enough. To be honest, a character like Kana, as long as she is portrayed as innocent but easily manipulated, is a sulky and essentially a pornographic bitch, there is no problem at all. Just like a futa family, even if you have to deal with futa monsters, there's no problem. So I feel that although there are many things you are considering, they may not actually be what your supporters are interested in.
meokoi
2024-04-28 08:25:38 +0000 UTCthis is why I want to test something. Because, in order for a proper execution or to create mysterious part. I had to do pure Jack pov. That will create the mystery like soraue did. But, right now, my game literally in a state of failure. Because let's be honest, I have played a lot, I mean a lot of soraue game. The dev purely focused on the Hero pov without heroine pov, but he did put in detail in later chapter. But, at the same time. Netorare are just not... Doing really well. I got insulted pretty bad as well for not having a vision or something. But that kind of formula, it's just not really famous. Which I 100% assure, I will get wrecked again. Let's be honest, I see a lot of potential if this game are Netori. Which, again, I did try to build up the story asap that Sayako getting her shard. Like I said, not I am trying to cuck people. I am trying to build the story from the beginning and stuff. Like anis, he did so well because he have the incest card. Like me, I have magical futa MC that can do shapeshift and stuff, I did work in NTS as well, but that's it. I really tried to put out a good quality but I just can't. This game is in pure failure imo. I had to do that Paradise Island and perhaps do something else from there and try to fix whatever I can. I know I disappointed a lot for NTS and NTR fans even. But seriously, I have been testing the waters. Even Sam said, I better do a good execution and just make this game into netori. Which, he know that "Sayako" have a lot of freaking potential. This is why I am trying to do fast paced game. Because I am trying to get there that people will use Sayako herself. I am not underestimating people had to use the "cuck". But, this game, this chapter 1. Is a pure failure. This is why I want to shift the game into netori imo. Not because of market thing or whatever. It is because of execution. This is why fujino or some dev keep ending some of his series pretty early or even do something else.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 07:08:20 +0000 UTCIt should be the other way around. Part of the main appeal of NTR as a genre is seeing the changes of the heroine overtime. And no- not in same way of corruption games.. But if you build a game that makes no sense when you remove hscenes then it fails as an NTR concept. The event of the hscene should in some way be implied or cause the heroine to act differently in some way. If you build a game with eroticism in text- you know that then inserting hscenes wont break the feel. If you do hscenes first and removing or choosing not to view them has the heroine act like nothing happened when she was just roughly fucked there is a major issue. Or if the story skips around unnaturally because story context is partially within those hscenes. Hscenes should neither be important for the plot nor be completely random and unrelated to how the heroine acts from then on.
D0
2024-04-28 06:36:55 +0000 UTCNot really a bother. Just trying a proper execution. Because the current game is failed in my honest opinion. I can see why most japanese H dev or some dev usually try to end some of their series pretty quickly and would try something new. For example, trying different formula and some proper execution. Not much of a work. More like I am pretty much clueless on how to solve it. Since, I found out I am more to netori. Which, I am trying to change the game into netori itself one day. Not much of a good writer myself.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 06:33:29 +0000 UTCThank you, text data as it is in English is fine. I'm glad you've listened to my requests, but I don't want to get in the way of your game production, so if it's too much work for you, you can ignore it.
一 西田
2024-04-28 05:04:46 +0000 UTCThat's why I am going to experiment first in Paradise Island. See if people like it or not. Because, I have a bad mentality that got stuck in me that I am trying to cuck people due to some people did the thing to me long ago. Like I said, I am not trying to cuck people. More like, I have a story to tell. So, it got me in a really bad way. So, I am thinking to try other things first. Since, I am trying to find a way that most people happy tbh. Even fujino got tear to shred pretty badly for that SAO NTR finale tbh. Which I 100% not trying to cuck people. Because I am still planning as well for that monster lord tbh.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 03:33:49 +0000 UTCHmm, I will try. Because I am not really fluent in japanese to be honest. Since, even my english is also bad. XD. But, I can try I think using a machine translation. Since, I am in the stage of finding a formula and experimentation.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 03:29:13 +0000 UTCPlaying the game from Sayako's perspective is a completely different genre than playing as the boyfriend. You do you but it's a drastic change for the game. There's not going to be that unknown factor of when your girls are getting fucked while you're oblivious about it and doing some mundane task. That's one of the charms of an ntr setting. Pov from the ntr perpetrator is completely different than pov from the ntr victim. Imo its a risky change and its not conform to the content some fans (like me) have signed up for on this patron.
Tim Dony
2024-04-28 03:27:05 +0000 UTCI don't mind switching to Sayoko's point of view. More importantly, if it is possible, it would be helpful if you could publish the text data of the scenario used in the game for me, a Japanese speaker. I realise I'm being reckless, so it's not that I have to, but I'd appreciate it if you'd think about it.
一 西田
2024-04-28 03:23:19 +0000 UTCI will try to throw a proper poll in later. Because, I am not sure. I do love shadow play and stuff. But at the same time, it just feels so miserable playing as Jack only tbh. Because when I play isekai elf, that kind of give me a good idea on what to do I guess? I am trying to experiment what works and what not.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 03:21:53 +0000 UTCThis is what I am trying to experiment. Because, I know it feels miserable playing as a male character/a cuck. It is not I am trying to cuck people from using Sayako. I want people get the good stuff when the time comes. So, I will try to work around. I know doing this will make the game direction goes so weird but, the lore and stuff I made for Sayako. She have limitless potential. I know some said, people mostly view from Jack pov is because he is not a necessary character in a way. But, this might be a good time to fill in some motivations and stuff with the characters. Because let's be honest, the characters are pure soulless.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 03:19:07 +0000 UTCYeah just saying the poll is a bit rigged cause "I don't mind" includes people that are more than just in preference of netori. But you'll end up doing what you want ultimately either way.
D0
2024-04-28 03:13:38 +0000 UTCI kinda like this idea, so what you're going for is we play as Sayako but have these cutscenes where we can see from jack POV. I mean, you don't have to make Jack POV simultaneously. You write the game for Sayako when you have direction set, then add in a Jack POV later. Just my two cents.
Karl Crew
2024-04-28 03:13:18 +0000 UTCBecause, I really tried to avoid people from feeling they are being a cuck tbh. Because I think a lot of people know how bad it was that some think I am trying to cuck people. Like I said, I am not trying to cuck people. More like, I am literally confused and stuck in permanent loop. Since, I am trying to find a way that most people will be happy imo. Because fujino literally got tear to shreds for that SAO NTR finale tbh. I am trying to find some formula and stuff at the moment.
Paradox V
2024-04-28 03:09:54 +0000 UTCShould have had a "jack pov preferred" "sayako pov preferred" and "i don't mind" instead. I'm sure most people just want you to do what you want to do.
D0
2024-04-28 03:04:29 +0000 UTC
