Dropping the quality/changing art style
Added 2024-05-26 18:13:09 +0000 UTCI'll be blunt and easy about this: People are not happy that I remove older artwork (Dropbox folders that are 2 months or older). So much that the latest works are now being published by them the moment I release it.
It's funny really, the reason I stopped handing out all older artwork was because of the same reason. We've come full circle!
1 : Person signs up for the highest tier subscription
2 : Person copies everything to their own computer
3 : Person signs out of their subsciption
4 : Person cancels credit card payment or demands money back
5 : Person posts everything on a public website without any credit to the artist
6 : Repeat a month later when there is new content
Because of this I did what other artists did that I followed: Adding an online folder that stays active for a limited time so people who sign up can't copy everything anymore (This seemed more fair to people who have been supporting me for years). In order to still give people a chance to get older artwork, I set up a gumroad store page: https://lerra.gumroad.com/. The shop is still active and updated with everything I have to offer - EXCEPT for the Lyana Frostburn: Golden pony staff comic. Reason? The comic is free to read online for everyone. It's completely uncencored on twitter: https://x.com/lerra_tweet. I made extra text variants for subscibers because it made sense giving them something extra for supporting me. Allowing me to pay rent, electricity bills and food. I don't know anymore where the right or wrong is anymore seeing how AI artists are even charging money now for uncensored artwork. What am I supposed to offer if I give everything away for free? What benefit is there for someone to sign up if they can just go to a different website and enjoy it all for free? I figured that something extra would create incentive to support me.
This is the line I've been walking for a long time now: Trying to create something worthy of support. Something that makes people think: I can get it for free but I will sign up instead because I know the artist is able to make more if he/she can pay the rent.
I've been doing this for more than 8 years now, studying almost each day and trying to make this work for both me and my own audience. I've deliberately taken a stance against posting a lot of teasers/censored stuff on deviantart or any other website since I've seen too many people jumping on that train as well. The ones where you just see a full censored gallery and everywhere you look is the word: SUBSCRIBE NOW. I deliberately decided against this because I want people to support me because they want to. Not because I force them to. Yet I've come to learn that there is no fighting it. It's the internet after all.
So today I've been thinking about this for a good while and I've come to a conclusion: I care to much about my own art and I'm dropping quality on all future works in order to speed up production.
... What? That doesn't make any sense?
Actually it does. Right now I care a lot about my art and I kept trying to improve because of that. The result is 2/3? sometimes 4 works in a month. In between images I studied anatomy, lighting, I try out different methods of how I can create something in photoshop, I work on my blender/3d skills in order to create backgrounds and while working on images I kept correcting them endlessly to erase the flaws/try to offer the best I could etc etc etc. I spent a fuck ton of time trying to improve the end result.
Not only that. I look around in the landscape of artists and I see people doing the exact same thing over and over again. No improvements. Nothing new. No ideas to explore. Just the same fetish/setups/characters/artstyle and no backgrounds or even some kind of story to it and they make 4? sometimes 5 times as much as I do. If I were to make that much, I wouldn't care about giving stuff away for free. But that's the thing: I do because I cannot offer any more than the 3/4 pieces that I can create with my current pacing. It's all I have to offer and so I try to protect it!
... This cannot go on any longer. It's best to drop quality, make more artwork instead of better artwork and stop caring so much. If you are asking what kind of quality drops I'm talking about:
1: I'm not creating backgrounds anymore. Not in photoshop or 3d. I'll paint something suggestive and the rest is up to the viewers imagination.
2: Lineart is out the door. With the Lyana Frostburn comic I would make a sketch > Do all the coloring and rendering > Finish it off by creating a fine black lineart tracing around the different elements. This usually takes about 1/1.5 hours. From now on I'll do the eye lashes/eye contours and that's it. Instead I will use the sketch that I made and clean that up a bit.
3: Messed up body proportions are here to stay since I will not go back and forward anymore between correcting stuff constantly.
4: I will do some volume indication but not as precise and good as I used to do it. I'm talking about muscle definition/ ambient occlussion in certain areas etc etc. I'll create the shape and add lighting to it and that will be the end of it.
5: Small details will be rougher/drawn in, instead of using shapes and extra layers for everything.
6: I'll use one light source from now on. Edge/ambient lighting is out the door.
7: Materials like latex and skin won't be rendered with much detail or lighting anymore since these also soaked up hours and even more when I did multiple characters.
8: Last but not least: I used to work with high contrast/saturated colors to make my characters pop. Getting this right is sometimes a hurdle however so instead I'm going to be using lighter color pallettes. (more forgiving/easier to paint colors)
If everything goes right I'm hoping to finish the next Lyana Frostburn image tomorrow. The sketch is already in the Dropbox folder for the tier 3. I've corrected the sketch several times already but I won't do that any longer. Tomorrow I'm moving on to the coloring immediately and after its done tomorrow (or the day after that) I'll be dropping the finished page. I'll see what the reactions are and if it doesn't work I guess I'll just move on to something different since the Lyana comics rely on both the image and story to work.
This isn't the kind of thing that I was hoping to write on a sunday... but looking at the current state of things and the future, it is for the best. I hope people enjoy upcoming works despite the artstyle changes.
The only question left now is: What to do with the older artwork? I'll be honest, I still make money off of it so its still a source of income. Giving it away wasn't what I was planning for since I need to pay rent somehow. Anyone got any tips? I've thought about adding them to higher tiers as an extra (like get 3 extra folders of your choice or something) but this would still allow people to sign up > get it > leave > cancel credit card payment > post it somewhere else > repeat next month or with a different account.
If you made it this far, thank you for your time and patience. I hope upcoming works still please you.
Comments
Same here. I know there's one on Kemono and one on E-hentai. Like I said: I'm fine giving away free art. In fact, ever since I started the Lyana comics I've been doing that. I gave all comic pages away for free 'except' the extra pages (which were non canon and served as an extra for the supporters here). Yet apparently that's not appreciated and now they're posting that content the moment I post it. So... what's left? What else can I give subscribers as a thank you with people like this around? The extra images are off the table and I'll drop the quality to speed up the creation process. It hurts to do this to my current supporters but at the same time, I can offer more if I work less precise/offer less quality. I have a Discord server btw. It's linked to deviantart/subscribestar and people who sign up on those websites get a role assigned automatically. However, we're talking about people that are already signed up to me > Those people are sharing the content somewhere else.
Lerra22
2024-05-30 11:49:33 +0000 UTCNever thought I would see a comment from you... I know you've been around since the patreon days. Warms my heart to read you're still here and still enjoy the content. Reading how you liked the 2018 stuff, is there any topic or situation you would like to see covered? (I mean you've been here for so long. I need to give something back! :D )
Lerra22
2024-05-30 11:45:06 +0000 UTCIt's not just the credit card. Also people on e-hentai thinking they should share the content immediately when I post it, leaving nothing for the subscribers anymore or anything I can offer as a 'thank you' for their support. So now I'm just lowering the quality and the extra images are out the door. Time to refrain from quality and become one of the shovelware artists :D
Lerra22
2024-05-30 11:42:55 +0000 UTCI'll try but it does take some getting used to. I have to tap myself on the fingers every now and then to not let myself go and fall back into that old style. I really need to tell myself: No it looks good enough, move on now :P
Lerra22
2024-05-30 11:40:30 +0000 UTCI can report it but that would become a weekly thing at some point since there are quite a lot of people who don't mind doing this. Apparently it's easier than we think. If I report it, their account might get banned but I've also had cases (back when I was on patreon still) where the person was banned and somehow still returned about 2 months later. All I can do is try. Like I said, I'm fine giving content away for free. But when people do it immediately, there's no point in making stuff just for subscribers anymore.
Lerra22
2024-05-30 11:39:33 +0000 UTCAbsolutely sucks that you have to go through this. The same happened to other creators i follow, their works getting shared mainly on sites like R34 or Kemono; but at least that would happen months after. Dunno if you'd like to try it, but a way I've seen some semi-successfully counter it is by setting up a Discord server and uploading the works there. Easier to track people between their Pixiv-Discord, randoms can't access the image as easily since it isn't a Dropbox, etc.
KanzatoSoul
2024-05-29 09:04:24 +0000 UTCNot normally one to comment on stuff but I feel for you here, been a fan of your work pretty much since I got into this sort of stuff and its a shame to see your content flow get so affected by people who just want free smut. I've been supporting you for the past few years as much as i can and I intend to do so for as long as I've got money to give. You make great art no matter what and I intend to keep supporting you to make more. PS, I don't think that new style is too rough, kinda brings me back to your older art from 2018 and prior, honestly 2018 is one of my favorite years of your art so you keep doing you!
Tlpcamaro
2024-05-28 04:38:52 +0000 UTCYeah this whole thing kind of sucks. The worst part are the card charge backs. It takes a special kind of **** to do that.
MulberryDeer
2024-05-27 22:02:09 +0000 UTCSadly that is not a workaround :( I support another artist that goes by Xxoom and his stuff is all over the websites - both brand new and old. And yes, he does send stuff via PM.
garfield
2024-05-27 20:28:43 +0000 UTCYeah unfortunately one of the only ways to lock down the sharing is to message the monthly links out to people and not keep the link in a post. More work but it stops some sites. Post them on discord to people who have certain roles but again ... more work. With regards to artwork. I started following in the early Deviantart days so I doubt I'll be that disappointed with the quality changes. >:)
MulberryDeer
2024-05-27 04:09:48 +0000 UTCThis crap with those other arse-holes that do the credit card fraud is just utter cactus up the rump.. As for the change in artwork and style; go with it and see if it does work out for you; if it doesn't, you can always talk to us and we'll TRY to give you good ideas and advice if we have it to share. I, for one, want to keep you around as long as possible, and sending you a bit of funds every month so you can pay bills and eat... well to me, that's a SMALL price to pay for the great erotica. I hope you'll be all right.. honestly I DO!
sashi138
2024-05-27 01:05:02 +0000 UTCI know that once it's out there, it's out there. Sites like that always existed and they will remain to do so. Some of them have a policy to avoid posting brand new stuff, which kind of helps the creators to at least minimize the losses I guess. What worries me most is the credit card fraud you mentioned. I had no idea that's an issue. Isn't there some sort of way to report or prevent that from happening? A one time offense, fine, but if it had happened a few times then it's quite serious. There is no support for that from either websites you are on or even a bank? I'm honestly quite shocked to read all that :( As for the change of art style/putting less effort into it, I have no clue if that can help or will it backfire. Guess you gotta try and see. It really does suck to read all that :( Fingers crossed it gets better or at least that those who supported this far will remain to do so.
garfield
2024-05-26 23:05:50 +0000 UTCI thought I was giving away 'enough' to make it fair but since the subscriber exclusive content is now also out there, I just don't see anymore where I can create something of benefit for the people supporting me. The only way forward is to start over with a different artstyle and try to get faster in general. I will admit, the first images will most likely be rough...
Lerra22
2024-05-26 20:59:16 +0000 UTCits a shame that its this bad.
robin6
2024-05-26 19:45:58 +0000 UTC