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LG 2017-2025+ OLEDs - Optimized Settings for Xbox One/Series X|S+, PS4/PS5+, Switch 1/2, PC and webOS/Movies (SDR, HDR, DV)


Hello everyone,

I would like to share my FINAL set of Optimized Settings for all LG OLEDs from 2017 to 2025+ Series for both SDR / HDR / DOLBY VISION Movies & TV Shows + Xbox One/Series X|S+ , PC, PS4/PS5+ and Switch 1/2 gaming with the best PQ and lowest Input-Lag results possible (from 4ms to 21ms based on model).

These settings are the results of 7+ years of gathering professional calibration results (using external equipment and software), valuable online knowledge from the most reliable sources and direct testing & analysis.

Yeah, I know, "settings cannot be copy/pasted from TV to TV as they're all different" , but tested LG OLED variance between models is much lower then average, and even within a 3% variance you will still experience a much more accurate image compared to default presets, plus CMS and WB advanced options weren't touched in order to avoid variance error as much as possible.


There are 6 Profiles to independently 1-time-Setup for each source/content combination, and then forget about it.

In order to do it, just change the video source to the one you want to calibrate (for example: webOS Netflix app, or to HDMI1 connected to Xbox Series X / PS5) and then load up the type of video content you want to calibrate (for example: launch an SDR Game, or an HDR Game, or a Dolby Vision movie).

Once you're ready, apply the Optimized Settings specifically for your LG OLED Series (see the sections below to identify your TV settings).



Optimized Settings for LG 2023-2025+ OLED Series:

Click to open the video.
(Use the video as a walk through menus/settings but apply the latest settings you can find below)




Click for Full Screen.
More information and reasoning about the settings here.

You can also unlock ALL settings and apply further tweaks by using the ColorControl app (on Windows). Read more



Optimized Settings for LG 2019 up to 2022 OLED Series:

If you have a 2019-2022 LG OLED apply the following changes first, then proceed with the updated Overall Settings Chart below:


Click for Full Screen.

You can also unlock ALL settings and apply further tweaks by using the ColorControl app (on Windows). Read more




Optimized Settings for LG 2018 OLED Series only:

Use the same settings of 2017 series below, then apply the following changes:





Optimized Settings for LG 2017 OLED Series only:

Click to open the video.




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PC Gaming: Optimized - The Ultimate Guide (including NVIDIA/AMD CP + G-Sync/Freesync + HDR Best Settings)



Xbox HDR Calibration Guide



Playstation HDR Calibration Guide

Nintendo Switch 2 HDR Calibration Guide

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NOTE: Don't forget to adjust HDR "Sliders" also in game settings if available. Usually, for these TVs, you need to "increase" the level of Max HDR Brightness "Slider" to make the game logo/icon totally disappear in a white background, or set it to a numerical number around 4.000 nits (for Dynamic Contrast or Dynamic Tone Mapping: On) or 800 nits for HGIG (1.000 nits for LG G2/C4; 1.500 nits for LG G3/G4/C5; 2.400 nits for LG G5).

Dolby Vision gaming is not recommended. Click here to know more.

Paper White could be set around 200 nits in most cases (276 nits for LG G3/G4/C5 only; 300 nits for G5 only)

This is the reason why, even with both the console and the TVs properly calibrated, some games may look "dark" or "washed out" if these settings are left to default.


FAQ & Useful Insights:



OPTIMIZED IN-GAME HDR SETTINGS:

You can also find the latest, personally curated Optimized Settings for 250+ HDR games by following/supporting me on my Patreon, including:

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Let me know what you think.

Hope you enjoy it :)

Cheers,
-P

Comments

2023-2025+ LG OLEDs Settings Chart v18.3 Changelog (07/15/2025): - TruMotion: Cinematic Movement is now recommended again for Movies on 2023+ LG OLEDs: after latest July 2025 firmware, LG finally fixed it. No more noticeable Soap Opera effect, no visible artifacts and it's better at removing judders than my previous Custom preset. It also works good on both 24p, 30p and 60p video contents - LG G5 HDR FMM + HGIG Peak Luminance is now suggested at 2.400 nits (to be more accurate) - HDR Optimized Settings' list updated

P40L0

Why do you have recommended “Console Screen HDR Output: Off?”

KNasty

UPDATE 2025/06/05 - Added final Switch 2 recommended settings for both 2019-2022 and 2023-2025+ LG OLEDs - Added Switch 2 system-level HDR Calibration app recommended settings

P40L0

I'm amazed by your work :) everything is very well detailed. I struggle only with one things, what is Warm 2 or Warm 1, I understand that w50 is the value, but I don't get it for the 2 or 1 things ?

Sthaagg Memnochs

UPDATE 2025/05/22 For 2023-2025+ LG OLEDs: Changed recommended Color Temp from W50 to W45: to remove a slight yellow tint on whites (probably introduced after last few FW updates) while still remaining color accurate and within the D65 standard (used by all movies and games as well) For people preferring a colder temp (for example if they watch TV in a bright room most of the time) I added W25 as a personal preference option. I don't recommend ever going colder than that or you will drift away too much from color accuracy and things will just become too bluish

P40L0

More info here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2025-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-1-2-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-99290590

P40L0

And should the series X be on standard

Mark Faherty

Just wondering why you use black level video range low on the series x

Mark Faherty

You can force enable HGIG also in HDR FMM through ColorControl. More info here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/77041300

P40L0

Hey I have a question so you talk about hgig but that only works on game optimized mode and not any other modes like filmmaker or anything

faisal manzoor

I would have it on honestly

P40L0

Paolo I just bought the ps5 pro and there is a settings called enhanced visual for ps4 games should I turn this on its off by default maybe because it has input lag what do you say ?

Laurens

No, keep Atmos on the TV enabled (as it will still process multi channel audio as best for the internal stereo speakers)

P40L0

Paolo if I use only the tv speakers should I disable Dolby Atmos on the tv and just use linear pcm on ps5 ?

Laurens

UPDATE (04/12/2025): LG 2023-2025+ OLEDs Settings updated with the following changes: - Added LG 2025 OLEDs settings - Further reduced input latency when using ALLM/VRR + Filmmaker Mode for gaming (which is now virtually identical to Game Optimiser latency) thanks to the following changes compared to previous settings: AI Game Sound: OFF AI Sound Pro: OFF A/V Sync: BYPASS - Added Switch 2 recommendations (based on what we know and have seen about it so far) - Restructured the chart with new, more complete settings (especially for Game Optimiser Menu) + better labels and notes for more clarity/readability during first setup

P40L0

No, as you can see in the chart it should be set back to 50. Same thing for FTDA to be set back to 0

P40L0

Should black level still be 49 if using hgig?

Emil Mathisen

Limited/Limited is correct for these TVs as they are precalibrated from the factory at 4:4:4 (which is only Limited) and not Full RGB. If you use Auto/Auto you're probably using FullRGB and/or crushing black or clipping white, therefore you see that change there.

P40L0

Confused about the rgb range on tv and ps5 using limited/limited i can see the sun at 15 click on the ps5 hdr calibration but when i use auto/auto i cant see it on the calibration screen at 15 clicks

Emil Mathisen

:(

Emil Mathisen

Can you do me a favor can you load up last of us 1 with unlocked frame rate 120hz and play for 5 to 30 min as it normaly starts within that time frame and have the vrr overlay open and tell me if you get the stutter in this video that a lot of people are getting ama post the reddit link aswell https://youtu.be/bbbGep47Y60?si=SIavl0hnO3nh7F31 https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5pro/comments/1ivp03u/followup_ongoing_vrr_issues_on_ps5_ps5_pro_more/

Emil Mathisen

On pre-2023 models, so including G2, ALLM + FMM has noticeably higher input lag so it's better using Game Mode, but HGIG in Game Mode is too often too dim so it's better use DTM there instead

P40L0

P40L0 is there a reason why you dont use fmm on g2? Oh and what have you noticed to be normaly better hgig or dtm?

Emil Mathisen

It's Paolo and I think at this point I would wait for G5 (after a price drop) to maximize the upgrade

P40L0

Hi pablo ive got the 55 g2 atm do you think it would be worth and upgrade it to a g4?

Emil Mathisen

Most of the time you can safely update with LG OLEDs with no need to change settings. If that will be needed I'll let you know ;)

P40L0

Hi P40L0, there's a new update that just popped up on my G3 yesterday, is it okay to install? Any settings that need to be tweaked post update?

Tomcat2048

No changes needed. Use both PC + 4:4:4 together

P40L0

Any changes needed for the g2/c2 ? Also is it enough to change to 4:4:4 in external devices or do i also need to change the icon?

Emil Mathisen

Man time to sell the ps5 and just game pc since im having these 2 issues one is a ps5 issue the other is a webos2024 issue on lg c2/g2 https://www.reddit.com/r/LGOLED/s/Z7epmhPiGt

Emil Mathisen

You can use Original when you watch 4:3 contents, otherwise you can go back to 16:9 for anything else

P40L0

If I'm using my PS5 to watch a blu-ray, do i have to change the aspect ratio to original or is 16:9 okay?

David Soto

You've mentioned in the video that "TPC" and "GSR" do a good enough job so that we can safely disable Screen Move and Adjust Logo Brightness without worrying about damage. I've been using these features for my LG CX, but it seems like you're saying it's not necessary for the LG G4. Can you give a brief elaboration of why we no longer have to worry about using these options for burn in protection? What exactly did LG fix that no longer warrants turning them on?

zombipuppy

These TVs are internally pre-calibrated with 4:4:4 which is always Limited. If you use RGB Full you will drift from that calibration plus PS5 + the "Auto" settings on the TV often don't work properly together and you may end up with bugged handshakes between (Full) SDR and (Limited) HDR resulting in black level mismatches. Forcing RGB Limited you will solve both issues.

P40L0

Thanks for your work! For the 2019-2022, why set the PS5's RGB range to Limited?? I thought games running at 60fps natively output in full RGB range. Also, Vincent Teoh says Limited causes uneven increments in RGB code values during HDR adjustment, while Full range maintains clean 10-point increments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0G8sHcFQq8) Plus, 120fps games at UHD must output as YCbCr 4:2 which is always Limited range.

Prodan Statev

Try just disabling AI Brightness when in DV. Use 4:2:2 at 12-bit for movies 4:4:4 at 10-bit for PC and games

P40L0

I find the internal apps sometimes don't handle DV content well (mostly Max on my CX). I'm using all your settings recommendations. The brightness will fluctuate mid-scene, seems to be an issue with the DV IQ as it doesn't happen in Cinema mode but I find Cinema too dim. My "fix" was to use a streaming stick for Max and force it to just display HDR instead of DV. Within these settings on the Chromecast, it asks for color format "4:2:0 10-bit", "4:2:0 12-bit", "4:2:2 12 bit". From what I've seen and read it doesn't seem to practically matter much, but curious if you have any thoughts on what I should choose?

John Morris

In extreme summary: - If you game on PC always use HGIG - On Consoles + (mostly) Dark Room: use HGiG - On Consoles + (mostly) Dim/Bright Room: use DTM Choose one and never change again

P40L0

I'm a bit confused about if I should use HGIG or DTM with my C2. On PC there are so many games in which you have to use DTM but for me HGIG looks better and is not so extremely bright. Especially when browsing and on the desktop. Is there any compromise/solution or do you have to switch the picture settings everytime when you switch between HGIG and DTM? Right now I'm just using DTM because of the switching issue and setting up everything again. Still not sure about the RTX HDR settings though...

Rene Kollmann

Because that's accurate there

P40L0

Hey man Why in FMM ALLM on the C3 you put the color depth at 50 instead of 55?

Makoto64

Quando abiliti 4:4:4 verifica che non siano cambiati i settaggi, soprattutto che il livello del nero sia su Limitato sia sulla TV che su PS (e non Alto o Auto). Inoltre se usi i 144hz, spegnili sulla TV per PS5. Servono solo su PC

P40L0

Ciao Paolo, mi servirebbe una mano per svelare un mistero; ho preso da qualche giorno un G4 65" ed ha un comportamento diverso dal G3. In pratica se sul G3 abilito il passtrough 444 il livello dei neri aumenta, mentre sul G4 ha l'effetto contrario e migliora l'immagine. Secondo te come mai? Preciso anche che sul G4 c'è un ps5 pro mentre sul G3 una ps5 slim. Grazie mille!

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Ma sul grigio vedi ancora i menù stampati del suddetto gioco? Quello è burn-in e andrebbe coperto... Se invece vedi solo delle linee verticali ai lati e solo su sfondo grigio ma non nei contenuti normali, quello non è burn in ma un difetto di uniformità del pannello molto comune ma che non si nota durante la normale visione. In ogni caso mi spiace

P40L0

Pensa Paolo che ho appena mandato lem foto all'assistenza LG e mi hanno detto che non le considerano valide su un immagina monocromatica come il grigio e che sebbene si veda chiaramente il problema della luminosità ai bordi e il burn-in, loro valutano solo l'immagine dal test del TV dove ovviamente è problematico fare vedere una luminosità diversa o ovviamente non si vedrà il burn-in perché lo so nota solo sul grigio. Io ho acquistato il G3 proprio per avere più resistenza e per la garanzia sul pannello... Non ho parole dopo avere speso 2.500€... questo sarebbe il servizio post vendita? Lg non avrà più un centesimo da me. Stavo per ordinare un C4 per sostituire il mio C7, ma ora valuterò un 'alternativa. Scusa per lo sfogo. Grazie del supporto.

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Ciao, mi spiace molto sentire questa storia. Mi fa anche molto strano perchè utilizzando preset come HDR Cinema per i film o FMM + HGIG per i giochi non si dovrebbe "stampare" nulla permanentemente (così come non mi è mai successo in 1 anno e mezzo dal lancio del G3 infatti). Ti consiglierei di seguire questa procedura di "Short Breeak-in" per "pulire" il pannello da tutti i difetti possibili: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2024-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-105626212 Con un po' di fortuna dovrebbero sparire anche tutte le image retention. Dopodichè assicurati di avere esattamente tutti i miei ultimi settaggi che trovi nella chart per il G3 così come per Xbox/PS/PC e non dovrebbe più accadere nuovamente. In bocca al lupo... P.S. Se non dovesse sparire, manda la TV in assistenza e chiedi di fartela sostituire. Sei coperto per 5 anni dal burn-in, se riesci a comprovarlo.

P40L0

Mi sono accorto che non è stato pubblicato il mio precedente messaggio in cui dicevo in sintesi che il mio G3 65" acquistato a fine gennaio presenta già un burn-in in basso a destra di un videogioco che uso per una mezz'ora al giorno. Eseguo il pixel refresh ogni tanto come complemento a quello automatico del TV. La luminosità ai bordi è molto pronunciata. Nemmeno il vecchio C7 aveva presentato questi problemi nei primi anni di vita. Qualche considerazione o consiglio. Ho impostato i settaggi da te raccomandati. Grazie mille

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

P.S. Se non dovesse sparire, manda la TV in assistenza e chiedi di fartela sostituire. Sei coperto per 5 anni dal burn-in, se riesci a comprovarlo.

P40L0

Ciao, mi spiace molto sentire questa storia. Mi fa anche molto strano perchè utilizzando preset come HDR Cinema per i film o FMM + HGIG per i giochi non si dovrebbe "stampare" nulla permanentemente (così come non mi è mai successo in 1 anno e mezzo dal lancio del G3 infatti). Ti consiglierei di seguire questa procedura di "Short Breeak-in" per "pulire" il pannello da tutti i difetti possibili: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2024-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-105626212 Con un po' di fortuna dovrebbero sparire anche tutte le image retention. Dopodichè assicurati di avere esattamente tutti i miei ultimi settaggi che trovi nella chart per il G3 così come per Xbox/PS/PC e non dovrebbe più accadere nuovamente. In bocca al lupo...

P40L0

Tanto per la cronaca ho un C3 48 che i miei figli utilizzano per giocare molto più di me essendo in due a fornire ed è perfetto... Non ho parole...

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Sono allibito... Ho acquistato un G3 65" a fine gennaio. L'ho calibrato seguendo le tue impostazioni e fin qui tutto bene. Adesso mi ritrovo con un bel burn-in di una scritta di un videogioco che gioco tutto i giorni per forse mezz'ora. Eseguo un pixel refresh ogni tanto a supporto di quello che fa già il TV. La luminosità sui lati è visibilmente più elevata... Nemmeno il mio vecchio C7 ha avuto questi problemi nei primi anni di utilizzo... Qualche consiglio in merito? Grazie mille e perdona il disturbo

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Ciao Paolo,

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Yes (with also VRR enabled)

P40L0

Should I leave my Series X on 120hz if I am playing a game at 30fps?

David Soto

2023-2024+ chart updated to v15.6 (10/06/2024) with the following changes: - Changed "Prevent Input Delay" suggestion to BOOST: which you can still enable when using ALLM + FMM by temporarily switching to Game Optimizer picture preset, switching from Standard to Boost and then reverting to Filmmaker Mode picture preset. Boost will further lower input lag by 2-3ms for 60hz only sources (like Nintendo Switch) - Playstation Video Settings note below the chart updated recommending to enable VRR "Also for unsupported games" - Nintendo Switch red note below the chart updated recommending using "Game Optimizer" preset for low input lag (as ALLM and VRR are not supported) there - FTDA suggestion' wording made more concise/clear ___________________________________________ 2019-2022 chart updated to v12 (10/06/2024) with the following changes: - General Settings' suggestions expanded including more options (following 2023-2024 chart structure) - Fine Tune Dark Areas' settings changed to 0 for SDR, -2 for HDR + DTM and 0 for HDR + HGIG as LG backported their 2024 fix for it also to previous models! Recommended Color Temperature is now W45: as it's the most accurate on previous sets - Playstation Video Settings note below the chart updated recommending to enable VRR "Also for unsupported games" - Nintendo Switch red note below the chart updated

P40L0

For movies always use the webOS/Movies columns as well. For gaming the Xbox/PS columns .

P40L0

For a streaming box like apple tv or nvidia shield, does it need to be set up?

Palden Doe

No. For movies you need to use webOS SDR/HDR/DV settings and then ALLM will auto-switch to those when outside games (on current gen consoles)

P40L0

So it is recommended to keep game optimizer on while watching movies?

Palden Doe

2019-2022 chart is still valid for those sets, including using Game Optimizer preset , input delay Boost and the rest.

P40L0

For LG C2, is "2019 up to 2022 OLED Series" sheet still recommended and updated? If it is not, what should I change from the sheet to still maintain the best picture? Or should I use 2023-2024 sheet? Also, is it recommended to still keep game optimizer on with input delay boost, fine tune dark areas, etc on my Shield TV for watching movies?

Palden Doe

120hz for 60fps games is good, while unfortunately Xbox apps at 120hz are still outputting at 60hz therefore they will have a middle conversion for 24p movies. Also YouTube app at 120hz lags in general while Netflix and Prime will be fine. Plex and Blu-Ray apps on Xbox on the other hand will auto switch to 24hz when watching movies so it will look perfect even when leaving 120hz system wide. The most important thing on Xbox for mixed usage is to enable ALLM + set VRR only for games so to not ruin movies outside games.

P40L0

YouTube and the internet is driving me crazy with setting xbox series x to 120hz all the time, digital foundry said "120hz in a 60hz game results in extra blurring/trailing" i think switching between 60hz and 120hz is the way to go

David Soto

Could you please review the free to play game Honkai Star Rail?

Shploink

Thank you so much for your help.

Евгений Макаренко

Yes, I meant SDR ISF Dark, HDR Cinema and DV Cinema Home for movies (with webOS settings applied). On 2023+ LG OLEDs you can use ALLM and/or VRR to game with SDR/HDR FMM for a better picture compared to SDR/HDR Game Mode/presets and those will auto switch to the movie presets above on current gen consoles (Xbox/PS) but not on PC unfortunately, like I explained in the PC thread... Brightness 49 if you use DTM, 50 if you use HGIG. In bold it's my main recommendation for most, but you can also try/choose the gray values as a personal preference. DV Cinema may be the most accurate on paper but only in pitch black rooms, otherwise it's just too dark... Dont' use "fake" HDR/DV signal containers, but only native signals except for Microsoft AutoHDR or even better: NVIDIA RTX HDR which are not containers, but true HDR reconstruction via AI

P40L0

I'm writing from the PC thread, you wrote there that for movies to use SDR/HDR Filmmaker Mode, and here in the table as I understand the Cinema settings for hdr content, here are the actual settings in the table, the same for games? And for movies use WebOS settings? I also wanted to ask, for hdr games on the PC brightness 49, or 50 to set, or 50 to set if HGIG is enabled, I understand everywhere it is necessary to set what is written in bold...? And on Dolby Vision, should I set Cinema home with AI brightness? Why not Cinema, just say everywhere it is the most accurate? And are you familiar with Dolby Vision rgb tunneling in media players, what do you say about it, is it better, even if it's a fake, or is it better not to use it?

Евгений Макаренко

Follow this guide: https://www.patreon.com/posts/69076578

P40L0

On the referenced file, LG OLED 2017-2024 optimized Settings, I’m with you all the way, but for life of me I can't figure out what “HLG” refers to under Nintendo Switch entry Seems I can’t attach a screenshot here directly https://share.icloud.com/photos/07dyX8pA9BfLpfBjbimj09q8g Current Switch output on LG TV, taken with my iPhone. The not-goodness should be able to be seen https://share.icloud.com/photos/064uvhb6jMORG-wWgaADLRT3Q Is the “HLG option” preferred the first entries you describe? Thx very much in advance.

Mike Dickson

Howdy P40LO - Props to you old-timer. I started myself in 1988 on a 486 PC playing Kings Quest, and using AOL dialup for Internet - stuck you receiver ends into modem. Can’t believe that worked. Anyway. Thanks for all your time and effort creating and maintaining all these files

Mike Dickson

Hello P40L0 & everyone. Your settings for my LG C3 are beyond great. Thank you so much. However about the VRR part it seems to me VRR and FreeSync Premium Pro seems to be complimentary and work better when both checked on my setup (Xbox Series X). Wishing you all a great Sunday o/

DragonTribes

Yes on 2021-2022 models (as LG fixed TPC/GSR also there), no on 2019-2020 (LG didn't fix them there)

P40L0

Is it safe to turn off screen shift on 2019-2022 models ?

Laurens

What you see in the 2019-2022 chart for the selected preset... :D

P40L0

Just one more little thing what about color 55 or 50 for c1

Laurens

No worries 😉

P40L0

Thank you very much again for the info I’m really sorry if I ask a lot of questions 😅

Laurens

Basically 2019-2022 chart doesn't need to be changed. Except for the same old PC Mode suggestions, ALLM + FMM is not worth using there as there is no Dynamic color boosting and input lag will be higher so Game Mode (which is dimmer) + DTM (which is brighter and compensates for it) remains, along with the optional HGIG suggestion (with Black Level 50) for who prefers it. Noise Reductions were already Off with optional Low if people want to try those. FTDA -4 is still correct there and doesn't need to be changed etc.

P40L0

Did some settings change for 2019-2022 chart like using pc mode like it changed for 2023 models wild o an update on the chart or ?

Laurens

No, only 2023-2024 series

P40L0

Does fine tune dark areas -2 also count for lg c1 ?

Laurens

The Care and Logo options will further auto-dim the screen when static elements are detected but those are unnecessary since LG finally fixed their TPC/GSR algorithm which will already do that correctly and in a more efficient way (after the dimming with static elements it will gradually recover when elements are moving again). I have them off since I bought my G3 on launch and had zero image retention so no burn in issues (along with all my other settings) If you see clarity options greyed out you're probably in a game with ALLM auto enabled, so greyed out there = Off.

P40L0

Using a G3 What does the “Care recommendations” setting do under OLED panel care? Should this be off? Does turning “adjust logo brightness” off increase risk of burn in? The settings under clarity like noise reduction, MPEG noise reduction, smooth gradation, etc. are recommended to be “off” in your table but the values are grayed out for me as “low”. Is this right? Or does grayed out effectively mean they are off?

W90 82

Any chance of the Planet Zoo / Coaster games calibration being added?

Mause Koekoek

It is ok as long the source is always Low/Limited.

P40L0

Is it okay to use black level auto instead of limited ?

Laurens

No, dynamic color boosting in game mode is only in 2024+ models. That said, I still recommend ALLM + FMM also there as it's still brighter on average. Yes, if you need another brightness jump you can use ALLM + Cinema + DTM

P40L0

I came across a Reddit post where someone said that one of the recent updates in the last few months has fixed the colour boosting issue in Game Optimizer. Is that true? Separate note, I find FMM with DTM on or with HGIG forced too dim at times. Is there another mode that can lift the brightness a bit more? Perhaps Cinema mode?

W90 82

Not while using DTM, which will raise black level a tiny bit so 49 will compensate. When using HGIG this is not necessary and Black Level can be put to 50 again.

P40L0

Why do you recommend black level 49 ind HDR Gaming ? Doesn’t that crush blacks ?

Laurens

webOS column for HDR (same for SDR and DV)

P40L0

Using an LG G3 - what should I use for Apple TV for content that is in HDR, not Dolby.

W90 82

Grazie

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

https://www.patreon.com/posts/63780325

P40L0

Ciao Paolo, nel file che hai postato non vedo l'impostazione dell' HDR di sistema da ps5. Per il G3 quanto click bisogna dare nelle prime 2 schermate? Mi riferisco alle opzioni FMM+ALLM in HGiH e in FMM+ALL in DTM. Grazie mille

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Ciao Paolo, ho un

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Ok thanks

Larry Wesby

If you want to force HGIG in FMM you have to use ColorControl app via PC

P40L0

To have a great picture, do I have to force HGIG because I don’t know how

Larry Wesby

No, non è possibile in alcun modo. Smooth Gradation viene automaticamente disattivato dalla TV non appena si entra in uno stato di input lag basso (Game Optimizer preset e/o ALLM e/o PC Mode). Detto questo, se vuoi migliorare un po' i gradienti senza Smooth Gradation ti consiglio la PC Mode (icona HDMI messa su PC) ma considera che così facendo sconsiglio poi di vedere film da quell'input (perché PC Mode disattiva quasi tutto il resto delle altre impostazioni di Clarity).

P40L0

Ciao Paolo grazie per l’ottimo lavoro che svolgi, una domanda, secondo le tue conoscenze esiste il modo di giocare in HDR con le impostazioni che consigli (Fmm+Dtm) e attivare contemporaneamente smooth gradient e ALLM mantenendo un input lag accettabile su G3? Grazie

Ray

Yes

P40L0

Thanks again, just one more it's also on switch limited - limited recoended?

MOD3

PC Mode will lower input lag also in FMM but not as low as ALLM and Game Optimizer preset. If you care about input lag you can stay in Game Optimizer preset alone for Switch without the need to use PC Icon.

P40L0

I was not using the PC mode for switch since it's not recommended for the other consoles and I copy those settings

MOD3

If even with PC Mode you feel the input lag increase then, yes, use HDR Game Optimizer preset for Switch instead of FMM.

P40L0

Also noticed than on game optimizer is color on 55 and FMM is 50 and still it's looking better thanks a lot

MOD3

I think I looks better on FMM but I am worried for input lag y reall makes a difference with HLG looks amazing

MOD3

The difference between the two will be noticeable on any game, really. If you turn around the camera on brighter colors it will be much more noticeable. For Switch input force HLG: On and then use PC Mode and/or HDR Game Optimizer preset (as Switch doesn't support ALLM) + the same suggestions for HDR gaming while adding Sharpness 20 or 25 + Super Resolution: High.

P40L0

Thanks for the extended work, y just have 2 questions wich game can be a good example for notice the advantage on ALLM + FMM +DTM vs HGiG and GOpmtimizer, in color and brightness. The other is for switch you have any recommendations on settings apart or HLG, thanks again

MOD3

Okay thanks a lot for the help, I appreciate it!

swiwaii

If it's clipping at 3.500 it means it has the same base tone mapping of the TVs: 4.000 nits, so you should set both Xbox HDR Calibration app and games to that (whenever possible).

P40L0

Service remote and HDR calibration for LG 27GR95QE states it is at 4000nits though the XBOX clipping pattern disappears at around 3500nits. I will just follow the guides and use 1000nits for in-game calibration and for XBOX calibration to calibrate it until the checkboard disappears which is 3500nits.

swiwaii

No, that's a monitor which, differently than the TVs guides you can find here, should target a 1.000 nits standard peak or if it's already HGIG enabled should target the exact nits it can do (which you should double check in its specifications).

P40L0

Oh I’m using an LG 27GR95QE which doesnt have any tonemapping options. So would it be better if I set in-game HDR calibration to 4000nits too or just the recommended 1000nits on your instructions? Sorry I dont really understand.

swiwaii

DTM: Off on LG OLEDs means the TV will "expect" a base tone mapping curve of 4.000 nits, so if you can set games up to that will look best. DTM will try to adapt everything you throw at it dynamically as best as it can for the TV, but if you start at 4.000 nits (as the base tone mapping) it will work less and look better. HGIG is the only one meaning "no tone mapping at all" so you need to set HDR Calibration apps and games exactly to the max luminance of the TV to look best (800 nits or 1.000 nits for LG G2/C4 or 1.500 nits for G3/G4): this way games will look at its best (in a dark room). When you can't adjust exactly the nits as in many games, those may look a bit "off" tho (a dimmer picture or highlights being clipped for example). Knowing how all this work, you may choose DTM or HGIG based on games' HDR support or just stick with one of them and never change the setting again. I never recommend DTM: Off tho as this generally means the picture will be noticeably dimmer than it should...

P40L0

Confused on why we should use 1000nits for HDR calibration in games but not for HDR system calibration when DTM/HGIG is off. Don't mean to come off as rude I'm just curious.

swiwaii

webOS apps are perfectly fine

P40L0

Do you recommend LG’s native apps for streaming? I tried using the Roku 4K stick, but it seems to artificially upscale everything to Dolby Vision, thereby limiting my ability to faithfully apply your recommended settings. Thinking about getting an Apple streaming device but I’m not sure if that has the same problem.

Will Burton

Thank you!!!

Will Burton

If you see them "greyed out" after you launch a game (so ALLM: On) they're definitely Off even if you still see their label.

P40L0

Thanks so much! One other question — in Xbox, I definitely have ALLM on, but various Clarity settings (Noise Reduction thru TruMotion) are greyed out and incorrectly configured to Low/On/Cinematic Movement (instead of Off for all, as you’ve specified). I suspect that because ALLM is turned on, these settings are actually turned OFF despite with the screen says and my inability to toggle them. Can you confirm whether that is likely the case? And if that isn’t the case, do you have any tips on how I can disable these settings?

Will Burton

After you launch a game, apply the "game settings" under Xbox Columns by selecting SDR/HDR Game presets (if you're on pre-2023 model) or SDR/HDR FMM presets (if you have a 2023+ model) Then when you're outside games, you can use the same settings as "movie columns" for webOS, so SDR ISF Dark, HDR Cinema and DV Cinema Home presets with their respective settings. After everything is setup for every scenario, all will switch automatically based on content. ;)

P40L0

Great stuff! For the Xbox columns, I’m not sure if the settings apply to movies (non-ALLM) or games. I’m just not sure which settings apply when configuring SDR/HDR video game content vs movies content. Also, am I correct that “movies” basically applies to any non-video game video content? Thanks!

Will Burton

I have an LG C3 and am using a Hue Sync Play Box into HDMI 1 with a Switch, laptop, and Amazon Fire Stick attached to it, and a soundbar with eARC into HDMI 2. I can apply most of the settings you listed in your spreadsheet for the various media types, however, I cannot change the HDMI symbol due to the Hue Sync box. Are there any other settings that I should adjust to accommodate for this?

Chris Northrup

Yes. Only keep AMD Freesync Premium on the TV for Xbox input

P40L0

If I only use Xbox, should I turn that “VRR & Sync” off?

Dylan Ryan

thanks for the quick answer!

Daniel

Yes still true and yes 4:4:4 toggle should be off in any case

P40L0

Is this still “true“ with the newest webOS-Update? I for example could activate 4:4:4 chroma passthrough on my C2 due to the newest OS-update. But you recommended to turn it off on the newer TVs.

Daniel

You can "force" HGIG even in FMM by using ColorControl app via PC https://www.patreon.com/posts/77041300?utm_campaign=postshare_creator

P40L0

Could you explain what is forced HGIG ? in FMM, HGIG is not supposed to be available if I am correct. On my C3, HGIG is only available on game mode. (Maybe I misundertand something...)

Julien

Could you do the outer worlds spacers choice edition? It's currently in the PS Plus catalogue and I'm not sure what settings to apply

Matthew Davidson

I'm sorry, I meant that I upgraded from a C1 to a C3 and the HGIG option is now gone.

Evan

HGIG is still there and still an option for C1. If you always play in a dark room you can try HGIG otherwise try DTM and choose what looks best for you for most games.

P40L0

I'm sorry if this has been asked, but is HGIG gone as an option for HDR? And if so, is DTM now more accurate than the old LG C1 HGIG?

Evan

Oh what would i do without you 😘. Cheers bro

Lewis King

Atmos could have a slight audio delay, but if you don't notice stick with it

P40L0

Thanks so much dude. One last thing id you dont mind. Lgc3 lgsc9s and ps5 settings do i stick with linear pcm or go to dolby atmos?

Lewis King

Nope, all the same as far as I've seen ;)

P40L0

Hey P! The C2 has recieved a couple of updates, are there any changes for the C2 config as of 2024? Thanks You for all your hard work! GRACIAS !!!!

Sebastian Rocha

Yes, there is a small but negligible lag penality when using the new DTM and even less when forcing HGIG on it via ColorControl. Something around +4-5ms in the first case and +2-3ms in the second case. When you play at 120hz + ALLM + VRR you won't even notice, while you will always notice the much better PQ.

P40L0

Thanks for all the hard work that goes into developing and sharing information. Are you absolutely certain that there is no latency penalty when using Filmmaker mode with ALLM on vs Game Optimizer mode? what measuring tools did you use to confirm this? 1000 FPS camera? The picture quality difference is significantly better in FMM but curious if it comes with a penalty.

Josh Vaughan

Bitstream also in your case ;)

P40L0

Hey. Thank you so much for this. Even signed up because you deserve it. Quick question. If i have the lgsc9s would i still stay in bitsream or go over to pcm? Also with ps5 connected to my tv and sounbar connected to the earc

Lewis King

50

P40L0

What is your black level for FMM+HGiG

Brian Sawyer

Thank you very much! Have a good evening

Brian Sawyer

Game Console or Blu-Ray or even Standard HDMI icons are all the same. Only the icon changes visually so you can choose what you prefer there. Only "PC" icon is different and will make the TV enter in a specific PC mode (where 4:4:4 is automatically supported and many options get greyed out to lower input lag among all presets)

P40L0

Forgive my ignorance, I tried to find out why the game console icon for ATV and BR PLAYER is highly recommended, can you please explain? Thanks so much

Brian Sawyer

Yes, Game Console and 4:4:4 disabled is ok for all them (if you also watch movies/video from them). For PS5 and Mac Mini you can opt for "PC" HDMI if you don't mean to watch movies/video but only game and regular browse/work from them, otherwise stick with "Game Console". Personally I use ALLM + VRR + FMM + (forced) HGIG for gaming on my G3 ;)

P40L0

Hello I got G3 and going to mount it tomorrow. I’m confused with the HDMI icon, should I have the game console icon for APPLE TV, PS5, BLU RAY PLAYER(UB820) AND MAC MINI? Still disable the 4:4:4 pass through for all of them?Thanks PS- Which do you recommend FMM+DTM or FMM+HGiG(color control) Thx again

Brian Sawyer

Non con i settaggi giusti ;)

P40L0

Sono d'accordo con te, ma il problema cardine in questi pannelli è la luminosità.

Riccardo Pietro Ranieri

Yes, here: https://youtu.be/T81PDB0rME8 (Cinema with DTM: Off vs Game Optimizer with HGIG vs FMM with the new DTM: On) FMM + forced HGIG is missing (I found out only later) but imagine it with the brightest and most accurate highlight/sun ;)

P40L0

Do you have a post that compares the visual difference between FMM + DTM On/Off/HGIG vs Game Optimizer with HGIG? If not, it’d be a great idea for a new post so people can see the difference 😉

W90 82

Thank you for your response!

David Soto

Yes, VRR should always be on when gaming. If a game has issues with it just remember to disable it only for that game

P40L0

Do you turn on VRR for unsupported games? I keep wondering if I should have it on lol

David Soto

No, I mainly use webOS apps for movies but you can share the same webOS settings also for Apple TV SDR/HDR/DV

P40L0

Clicking the thumbnail on the iOS app was doing nothing, but I was finally able to zoom in on Imgur in the built-in browser through the Patreon app. It wasn’t full res, but was still readable and that’s all that matters. Quick question, do you ever use an Apple TV for streaming? Or do you just use the built-in WebOS? Trying to think if anything would need to be tweaked between the 2. I’ve got a G3, G1, and C8 so I check your page very often lol. Thank you again for all your work!

ejinn

Click the thumbnail image to enlarge it, then you can zoom. Better if you download it first and/or use a PC (or Desktop mode) anyway. Even if imgur is not ideal on mobile, it's still the only one not auo-deleting the images after a while...

P40L0

Hey, is there anyway you could use a different image hosting service for the images with all the settings? Imgur on mobile is actually trash. There is no way to zoom in on the images in the Patreon app, Imgur app, or Imgur website. End up needing to do a whole workaround to just to save them to the phone to finally be able to zoom.

ejinn

Yes, it's the same for both

P40L0

Merry Christmas honestly your settings for movies really helped me out I really forgot to ask on that day is this same is applicable for hdr 10 and dolby vision movies also as they both are different formats

Juhi Rajani

Yes it's Brightness, but in most recent model (e.g. 2022 series) it's named "Black Level" now ;)

P40L0

hello :) is it me or in the main image of Optimized Settings for LG 2019 up to 2022 OLED Series: the value "49" is meant for britghness and not for black level?

Whizzer

1) If you care about input lag use Sharpness 0 also there, otherwise you can use Sharpness 20 or 25 2) For Movies on C2 is best Sharpness 10 in your case as this will improve sub-4K while native 4K should look the same as 0

P40L0

Thanks for prompt reply just saw your reply I have little two confusions of sharpness:- 1) what about sharpness for old genre games for xbox one and 360 those all are limited to 1080p. 2)Sharpness for 4k hdr dolby movies should be sticked to zero as my main concern was for 1080p content

Juhi Rajani

On C2 you can do Sharpness 10 for Movies and 0 for Games

P40L0

That chart as I am seeing is for c3 and newer models I own c2 65 thats I have posted my issue here.

Juhi Rajani

Like you can see in the 2023 chart, I recommend Sharpness 20 for Movies and TV (no matter if sub-4K or 4K) and 0 for Gaming.

P40L0

What is your advise on sharpness for HD 1080p content as I owns c2 currently 4k hdr is best with zero but 1080p is 10 is good to go please advise or 0 only

Juhi Rajani

Yes

P40L0

For a PS5 hooked up to a LG CX, should you have VRR enabled in the system settings?

David Soto

I would turn that off... You can see all my updated suggested settings in the stickied post

P40L0

Thanks mate i appreciate it oh and one more thing what should i set fine tune colour adjustment to? I've had it on high for whiter whites rather than the yellow sort of tint when off

mark johnson

Stick with Standard and also Limited on the TV. You can read more here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2023-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-99290590

P40L0

I'm confused over the colour space on the series x..I'm good at figuring things like this out for myself usually but i can't get my head around if i should stick to standard as recommended or pc RGB i have an LG G2.it seems to look better in pc RGB but that could just be in my head lol cheers for any help

mark johnson

I have this same issue. FMM gradually gets dimmer in about 5 secs into a game. Everything is calibrated correctly but this issue remains. What did you do to fix this?

Cornell Dixon

Got it. Thanks.

Mike Renna

0 is best for Games (which already do their upscale to 4K and then add their sharpening pass), 20 for Movies (for improving the sub-4K upscale and definition when also coupled with Super Resolution: Low, all without introducing noticeable negative effects). Sharpness 0 will also have lower input lag in games.

P40L0

I recommend Game Console input icon as PC Mode will force disable very important settings for movies as Smooth Gradation, TruMotion and others which work perfectly fine with Game Console icon and ALLM. Also on Xbox even with Game Console icon you will preserve RGB Output which will be almost the same as 4:4:4 so you are not losing anything. PC Mode should only be used on PC and only when not watching movies from it.

P40L0

For 2019-2022 LG's, why do you recommend not using the "PC" mode for game consoles? PC mode allows full 4:4:4 chroma subsampling which consoles utilize.

Mike Renna

Any advice on sharpness? Should we put at 0 or 10? How is it working? I've noticed that if i Increase sharpness it "enlight" as well a bit the picture. Any input will be appreciated 👍🏾 thxs . LG OLED 2021 / XSX

Whizzer

Yes I have an Xbox. Will do that. Thanks a lot 👍🏾😊

Whizzer

Just use the recommended settings for PS5 and Xbox HDR Calibration apps: +25, +25, 0 Clicks for DTM or +14, +14, 0 Clicks for HGIG on PS5 0, 4.000, 4.000 nits for DTM or 0, 800, 800 nits for HGIG on Xbox (you can see the exact nits for each section in the upper right corner by pressing LT + LB + RT + RB) FTDA -4 is then being applied on top of that.

P40L0

I've ddl the app and it works fine now (I suspect they did it in order to force ppl to ddl their app)

Whizzer

Hi I have a question : fine tune dark areas to -4. I realised that it was changing the HDR black level settings within the console (the panel with the columns that should disappear until not be seen in the black square). Vincent teoh suggested to push the value to the left until it's maxi (so even further after you stop seeing the lines) . What's your take on that? Leaving the value at soon as the line disappears and blender in black and put -4 in fine tune dark area or pushing to the max withing the console AND fine tune as well? LG OLED 2021 here.

Whizzer

For most it works and contrary to other hosting site, the images won't disappear after a while. If you managed to open the page "as Desktop" using your mobile browser, just download the image from the button above and open it offline at full res

P40L0

It's part of how imgur handles links for whatever reason. Maybe try another image hosting service as for first timers the image can be confusing and annoying to zoom in on for mobile.

ejinn

If you get the imgur window try to download it and open it offline

P40L0

On desktop this is fine you just click and it zooms. On mobile it is a pain in the ass even with the imgur app.

ejinn

Actually same. It now opens a webpage of imgur with the image within it and is actually a pain in the ass to fully open the image to zoom in.

ejinn

Here you go: https://www.patreon.com/posts/92802276

P40L0

The link is the same, so maybe try with a different device (e.g. PC) or open it as Desktop when using a mobile browser.

P40L0

If I click to see full image of settings it asks me to get the image on Imgur app. Before I was just opening the image directly in my browser.

Whizzer

G3 is definitely the biggest upgrade you can have right now, both for gaming and anything else 😉

P40L0

Which OLED do you recommend for gaming? Looking to upgrade from a C1 and a Sony A80J. Along P4 but also ask of you, thr community 🙏

Kevin Landry

I'll have a look into it

P40L0

I'm playing Ghostrunner 2 (LG C1) and it just went from 120FPS to 59 after I adjusted HDR settings... Edit: Figured it out, you have to restart the game and enable re-enable VRR for unsupported games.

Kevin Landry

Can you please do the optimized settings for Ghostrunner 2?

Kevin Landry

You must use different presets for when ALLM is On (a game is launched) and ALLM is Off (when outside a game, for example staying on the dashboard). This both for SDR and HDR, like you can see in the chart: for exampe SDR ISF Dark and HDR Cinema (with TruMotion: Cinematic Movement enabled, Super Resolution: Low, Noise Reductions: Low, Sharpness 20) with ALLM: Off and SDR and HDR Filmmaker Modes (with TruMotion, Super Resolution, Noise Reductions: Disabled and Sharpness 0) for ALLM: On

P40L0

Sorry for my stupidity, so i dont get it: how can I change the mentioned options to OFF, and Truemotion Off, if when I turn on ALLM they automatically return to ON and Truemotion returns to cinematic? Even though i did it outside the game just in the PS5 menu (home), without turning off ALLM, i still cannot change it.

Marco Gorgar

Try Rtings.com for the soundbar

P40L0

You can't change those when inside a game as ALLM is triggered to lower input lag. You should be able to change them outside games for movies, as intended. Also make sure to not use PC Mode but HDMI Game Console icon instead.

P40L0

OH and of course. I became a patron cause your work is superb, awesome. Same problem with "hdr gaming" as explain above.. I bought the LG soundbar S90qy too. Do you know some video on youtube or something like this with some tips about configs about this soundbar? Thx for all.

Marco Gorgar

Hello P4ol0! Oh boy i have a little problem with my 55C3 bought this week. I already using your update settings to SDR content, HDR and DOlby Vision. HOWEVER, in SDR GAMES PS5/ Advanced Setting/ Clarity i ONLY have a option to choose OFF in Super Resolution! At Noise Reduction, MPEG Red, Smooth Gradation are LOW ( i cant change them), and TruMotion is chosen Cinematic MOvement in TruMOtion! PLz Help me dude. OBS: I will try HDR in PS5 now

Marco Gorgar

I have checked again and indeed, I was before in Game Optimizer preset with DTM: On and some parts of the image seemed brighter compared to FFM+ALLM with DTM:On now, especially PS5 home menu. Thank you for the help.

Nanofoo

Thank you for your quick feedback. Yes I have applied all the recommended settings both in HDR and SDR. I will double check and hope I can find the problem.

Nanofoo

Are you sure you've applied all the recommended settings both in SDR and HDR? For example Gamma 2.2 in SDR FMM and DTM: On in HDR FMM? It should actually be the opposite, with ALLM + FMM being brighter than Game Optimizer presets. I would double check everything with the most updated 2023+ Settings' Chart. Also consider that Game Optimizer preset with DTM: On may "seem" brighter but it's actually the old DTM overexposing/overblowing the mid range compared to the much better and more accurate new DTM of HDR FMM.

P40L0

Hi P4olo! First, thank you for your awesome work!! I have recently bought a 77G3 and have followed all the settings you have recommended. There is an issue with the FMM+ALLM for gaming in HDR (PS5 and XSX. ) The screen dims in a few seconds, gets darker and stays very dark when I switch to FMM. When I switch back to Game Optimizer, it gets again brighter but when I switch again to FMM, it gets again dark. I don’t understand why because I have followed all your recommandations and energy saving + AI are disabled. I have also the last firmware installed. Can you please help me?

Nanofoo

Try using a PC or download the full res version from the imgur link

P40L0

Yep everything is set up correctly. I’ve read that it’s something both Microsoft and LG acknowledge but blame the other for the handshake issue. Only happens randomly when going from SDR (ie Home Screen) to a HDR game; doesn’t happen every time, but often enough to be annoying

KNasty

Anyone else getting a lower res picture of the tv setting recently? Both through this app and imgur I get the same thing

KNasty

Thanks for your quick reply!

Cabbagelad

Yes, you can do it by enabling ALLM (Automatic Low Latency Mode) on both consoles and then setup SDR ISF Dark and HDR Cinema outside games and SDR/HDR Game presets (on 2019-2022 LG OLEDs) or SDR/HDR FMM presets (on 2023 Series and newer) inside games, each of them with suggested settings. Then all will switch automatically... ;)

P40L0

Apologies for my ignorance but when playing media on PS5 or Xbox series, is there anyway to make the picture mode switch over? For example from game mode to dark picture mode automatically?

Cabbagelad

You can read more here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2023-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-99290590

P40L0

Hey i have C1 and ps5 , Why is it necessary to set rgb range limited and not auto or full?

Mario Cescato

Are you sure you've setup everything exactly as suggested? (both Xbox and the TV)? Everything is perfectly stable here so that's why I thought may be the cable.

P40L0

Yeah I’ve tried a couple different ones and get the same thing. Tried the cable it came with and an 8k certified directional HDMI as well. I’ve read of others having the same issue, I never had it on previous LG OLEDs

KNasty

Nope, all good here. That most probably is a cable issue

P40L0

Do you not get the dreaded “no image” screen on the G3 with the Series X? I had to turn off 120hz to get it to stop randomly doing that

KNasty

Thanks ☺️👍🏾

Whizzer

Stick with -4. It will not "dim" the entire picture but just fix a slightly raised black level when using VRR compared to no-VRR

P40L0

I have a question regarding of the fine tune dark area setting. I have an LG GX Oled 2021 I think and sometimes -4 can look a bit dim and GX it's notably less bright than CX. With all LG updates do you know if LG corrected this issue (so we can put it back to 0 ) or should we stick to -4? Thanks !

Whizzer

As you can see in the updated 2023 chart in this post: Leave everything AI (for Picture): Off ;)

P40L0

Thanks man. Do you maybe have a recommendation for AI upscaling in combination with the G3 or settings in General for this combination? :)

Simon

Nope, same thing as webOS input.

P40L0

Alright. Does it make a Difference in General that im using a Nvidia shield?

Simon

You don't actually need a "Sport" variant honestly. Just use the suggested webOS SDR settings for everything SDR except games.

P40L0

Hey man, thank your very mich for your Work!! Do you have Settings for Sports SDR? I have a LG G3 77 inch

Simon

My bad, should be fixed now!

P40L0

Hey the picture table settings from 2019 2022 LG Oled series isn't appearing anymore ?

Whizzer

Thanks for the hard work brother !

Whizzer

Brightness 49 will fix some very slight raised black level issue without crushing blacks Smooth Gradation: Low will remove color banding artefacts without scrubbing away fine details TruMotion: Cinema Clear will introduce noticeable "soap opera effect" ruining movies original motion while Custom 2;2 will fix/smooth out judders without any noticeable SoE DTM: On with Peak HDR Luminance set to 4.000 nits and Paper White to 150 or 200 nits max (whenever possible) is the best "set it and forget it" option, even if could be a bit too bright in some games. On 2023 models it's the only recommended option as coupled with ALLM + HDR Filmmaker provides the best picture quality of all, in all cases (even compared to calibrated HGIG in Game Mode).

P40L0

I'm sure you've answered these questions regarding 2019-2022 OLEDs several times but I'm struggling to find the answers. What is the benefit of 49 over 50 brightness? What is recommended about low smooth gradiation? Why isn't clear cinema recommended? On average, if a game doesn't support the system level HDR calibration, would you recommend DTM in most cases? Thanks for your hard work.

Cabbagelad

Cool, thanks for all the help!

John Morris

Yeah, it applies for those as well. The dimming you see is mostly for UI/HUD elements and Gamma, but should still be much brighter than SDR Game preset. If not, re-enable DTM.

P40L0

The new note to disable DTM for Switch HLG HDR on the 2023 series chart, does that apply to older series as well? Makes it significantly dimmer on my CX.

John Morris

Thanks for your reponse! I did click for full screen and was redirected to a new website. In that site, the pic was just blurry no matter if zoomed or not. I also tried to download the original pic, and then came the most strange thing. The website shows the original pic should be 4720 x 2211 (335KB), but after I download it, the pic was only 180 x 84 (17KB). I'm totally lost here. I'm using PC btw.

Holious

Did you try to click for full screen and then clicking again the picture for max res? You can even download it from there. Otherwise try also zooming the Patreon thumbnail or use a PC for viewing, not a phone.

P40L0

Can you reupload the pciture for 2022 LG OLED? The picture in the link are super blurry

Holious

E non so dove scriverti privato dove?

roberto martino

Scrivimi un messaggio privato spiegandomi cosa non capisci

P40L0

Paolo mi aiuteresti ad impostare la mia g1 in inglese non riesco a capire come impostare i miei 6 profili

roberto martino

Paolo mi aiuteresti ad impostare la mia g1 in inglese non riesco a capire come impostare i miei 6 profili

roberto martino

Always Limited-Low in all cases with these TVs.

P40L0

For a Nintendo switch are you supposed to set black level to low and limited on the console? Or auto

David Soto

Yes, you can see the reasoning behind the HDMI icon switch here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2022-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-101180311 While the latest version of my 2019-2022 settings is here: https://i.ibb.co/171q23s/LG-OLEDs-2019-2022-Overall-Settings-Chart-P40-L0-v11-8.png

P40L0

Hi i receive a mail with New optimise setting for lg c1 you replace pc icon by game console icon its normal ?

Yassine

The best thing is to always leave it to 4K/120hz + VRR and then enabling AMD Freesync Premium on the TV. It will also benefit 60fps games ;)

P40L0

Quick question, I have a LG CX and I have my Series X set to 120hz, should I just leave it at 120 or switch it to 60 depending on the game?

David Soto

See the keys of the table. The black value is my recommended value, the gray value is a "personal preference" value if you like it more that way ;)

P40L0

Quick question: for some of the settings like white balance and what not. You have two values. One in black and one in gray. Which do we put?

Andrea Archbold

Right, Far Cry 5 is 4K @ locked 60fps after next gen patch so what you see there are Hz, not FPS. No other way to see them from the TV. You still need Digital Foundry or Analista De Bits analysis on YT to be sure...

P40L0

Do you think my line of thinking is right? I'm playing Far Cry 5 right now and the game optimizer still shows 120fps which would mean a solid 60fps (or 30). Any chance to see the real frame rate? Ps. How long does it take to be accepted on the forum? I'd love to ask you a few questions.

Skyler

2. I think I figured it out. The TV is not able to show us the number generated by the console frames (fps), but only the refresh rate (Hz). Thanks to VRR we have Hz=FPS and this is how the game optimizer shows us the number of fps that is the same as the number of Hz shown by the pop-up window after pressing the green button. And now we come to the most important thing, VRR works in such a way that the frequency tries to be set as high as possible (up to 120Hz) by multiplying the number of fps by an integer. That's why these weird jumps between 60 and 118fps - sometimes we get the result multiplied by 2, sometimes by 3 or 4, and sometimes not at all. Therefore, when VRR is turned off, it displays a constant 120fps because it is nothing but 30fps x 4 that is held constant. It's a pity that this is so, because when the game shows me 60-80fps, with jumps to 120fps, it is not entirely clear whether it is 30-40fps or maybe a real 60-80fps. 4. I know that it would be best to change and if you wrote what is better for a given game, I will use it, but for most games, it looks like, for example in Battlefield V, so you give two solutions (DTM or HGIG) without saying which is better so I will probably set it permanently as "set it and forget". :)

Skyler

2. No, that's what actually happens with it. When disabling VRR altogether I think the game will just align to 120hz refresh rate, but internally will still shift the framerate and you will notice much worse tearing and stuttering; 4. The best thing would be switching between HGIG and DTM on a game-by-game basis when needed, that's why I'm keeping analyzing each of those games for you here :) But personally I would just stick with DTM and trying to offset it's drawbacks when possible (TV HDR Brightness 49, in-game Paper White 150-200, in-game Peak HDR Luminance 4.000 nits). On LG G3 OLED I think HGIG will be much much better and brighter, while staying accurate, so I think people could prefer that...but also DTM will be much improved, so I will need to further test both to be sure.

P40L0

Thanks a lot for your answer! Ad vocem: 2. It's a bit strange because my game optimizer shows values from 60 to 120 fps, but mostly it is above 100 fps. Is not it too much? Between 60 and 120 also often does not go smoothly, it only changes the values ​​at once from 60 to 120 and back. And when I turn off VRR + G-Sync and AMD Freesync Premium, then it shows a constant 120fps, which is an incorrect value for sure. Why is that? 4. Okay, thanks. I just thought you were specifying that too, and your taste could be trusted. :)

Skyler

1. In all cases "AUTO FILMMAKER" should be OFF. This because apps with Filmmaker metadata like Prime Video could force TruMotion: Off even if you've set it to Cinematic Movement (which is great), so you don't want that 2. Yes, summon the purple game bar by pushing the gear button when in SDR/HDR Game Optimizer mode to see at how many FPS the game is going. Anyway, Flight Simulator with VRR enabled will unlock the framerate and can actually go even above 60-70fps in some spot! 3. I highly recommend leaving Xbox console in 4K/120hz + VRR enabled all the time, then on the TV disable regular VRR + G-Sync and only leave enabled AMD Freesync Premium. Then you can choose in-game which Performance/Quality mode you prefer. In the case of Flight Sim, you don't need to do anything as the game already unlocks the framerate (while mantaining the same resolution and image quality) 4. There isn't a definitive answer to what's better between DTM and HGIG. It will depend on the game specific HDR implementation + if you're usually playing in a totally dark room or not + if you're willing to change settings from a game to another or just want a "set it and forget it" approach. You can read my overall analysis and suggestions after personally testing around 200 HDR games on Xbox & Playstation here -> https://www.patreon.com/posts/78943775 Thanks for your support :) -P

P40L0

Hi! Thanks a lot for these numerous tips, thanks to you, setting this up has become much easier! However, I have a few questions, (waiting for approval on the forum) so I'll ask them here as well. 1. In all these cases of image settings (SDR, HDR, etc.) should we leave the AUTO FILMMAKER option selected? 2. Is it possible to check how much real FPS the game gives? For example, in Flight Simulator Game Optimizer shows about 116fps, the pop-up window after pressing the green button seven times shows 117Hz, and in fact the game is supposedly 30fps (?). 3. Staying on the topic of Flight Simulator. I have all options set as in the tables, i.e. VRR and 120Hz enabled. By disabling any of these options can I get a nicer picture at the expense of smoothness or does it not matter and the game will always give me the same experience? 4. In gratitude for your work and in order to get the best image, I became a patron. However, I do not know how to understand the settings for some games that are described, such as Sniper Elite. "The game DOES USE/APPLY Xbox & Playstation HDR Calibration app settings." Ok, but which setting will be better DTM or HGIG? Thanks in advance for your reply and thanks again for all your work!

Skyler

200 nits are even more universal, so I've reflected that in my last update as well ;)

P40L0

Yeah, it's still for the Insider builds but should be available for everybody soon.

P40L0

I don’t see the option for setting VRR for games only on Series X, is this not available yet?

David Soto

I came to that figure after personally testing almost 200 HDR games both on Xbox and Playstation, both using Dynamic Contrast, HGIG and DTM. 150 nits as Paper White (or White Point) seems the most balanced value in order to have enough bright UI/HUD, bright whites without clipping highlights and proper night rendition in most cases. They also seem beneficial in compensating DTM over exposure of night scenes along with setting HDR Brightness to 49 for 2018-2022 series when using it. If you're using Dynamic Contrast: Medium on LG 2017 instead, you can even settle with Paper White 200 or 250 for improving the overly dim preset of those models (with no HGIG and DTM support).

P40L0

How do you come to the hdr paper white figure of 150?

Clyde Assee

I appreciate the thorough response as always. Looking forward to your 2023 series recommendations!

Chad Brown

Yes, you can see the reasoning behind the HDMI icon switch and full changelog of latest version here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2022-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-101180311 PS5 side: I would leave "Automatic" video transfer rate, but just making sure RGB range is manually set to Limited, so basically the same as XSX suggested settings. This means that instead of the console directly output 4:2:2 to the TV, the console will still "try" to output 4:4:4 RGB Limited but then it's the TV doing the chroma subsampling for the "Game Console" input, providing better results. Transfer Rate (or Chroma Subsampling) and Video Range are two separate things. You can also see why RGB Limited range is always recommended for these TVs here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-2017-2022-oleds-optimized-settings-for-xbox-one-series-x-s-ps4-ps5-switch-pc-and-webos-movies-sdr-hdr-dv.73304/post-99290590

P40L0

I saw you recommended to change the input back to game instead of PC. Only question I have is on the PS5 side, should we change the 4k video transfer rate to -1 when using 60hz or leave it on automatic? I ask since on 60hz it defaults to RGB instead of 422, given only the PC input can fully display 444, I wasn't sure if this could potentially cause issues. 120hz already displays at 422, but 60hz defaults to RGB when on automatic. Interested to hear your thoughts on this.

Chad Brown

P.S. Also see Vincent Teoh from HDTVTest positive impressions of it (removes judders "without entering into obvious soap opera effect") on a C2 (min 4:50): https://youtu.be/Z8algu5NfAU

P40L0

Maybe I'm being a little strong in my wording but I do wish that it was labeled as optional rather than the recommendation. I wouldn't call my eyes very trained but I think it looks pretty obvious, to the point where I could detect it in a blind test.

Evan

Only a very trained eye would notice SOE with Cinematic Movement, especially on 2022 series (and newer I imagine) while the inherent judders of 24 fps movies on these (Instant Response Time) OLEDs would be much more noticeable, even with Real Cinema / Cinema Screen enabled. For these reasons my recommendation shifted, but this doesn't mean you can't still prefer Real Cinema over it, so I'm sorry for you to leave just for that. As you wish tho

P40L0

I'm sorry, but Cinematic movement ABSOLUTELY adds a soap opera effect. I've seen it myself. It's certainly diminished but I can absolutely see it very easily. The fact that you now make this your recommendation is insane and this makes me not want to support you further.

Evan

Hola P40L0, te amo mucho

Diego I. Figueroa

Read the red note at the bottom... ;)

P40L0

Which one of the settings do I apply to a Nintendo Switch on my 2021 LG OLED. The graph never really goes over that, unless I'm supposed to copy the settings of the Web OS SDR?

Kevin Clark

Precision Detail works in tandem with DV IQ, so both should be enabled.

P40L0

I thought Dolby precision detail was a different setting? DV IQ is turned on by the AI brightness setting no?

Malcolm French

DV IQ should be on, but if you notice a luminance change too often and it bothers you, turn it off.

P40L0

Have an option for Dolby Precision Detail, Should that be on or off?

Malcolm French

It turns on DV: IQ when Dolby Vision is activated.

Colin Currie

Just a quick one. You say turn on AI brightness (DV IQ). I can't find this setting on a C2. There's an AI brightness setting under general but I can't find a reference to DV IQ

Malcolm French

Great answer. Thank you!

Mike Renna

DV Cinema Home is preferrable for movies as DV Cinema is overly dim (for most rooms except pitch black, 100% light controlled environments) most of the time, even when setup correctly. On the contrary, DV Cinema Home can often be a bit too bright, that's where DV IQ can counter it when necessary. Absurdly the most accurate DV preset for most room condition is DV Game preset (which doesn't need DV IQ) but where you can't enable Real Cinema tho. That said, even with Real Cinema Off, DV Game motion is much better than regular DV Cinema and DV Cinema Home with Real Cinema off, so it could even be a valid alternative to DV Cinema Home with RC: On.

P40L0

Why is Cinema Home recommended for Dolby Vision and not Cinema? I understand that Cinema is considered more accurate than Cinema Home, no? Also, why is DV IQ recommended on? I would think that should be left off.

Mike Renna

Xbox "Color Depth" option is misleading as actually 8-bit is equal to an "Auto" setting where: 1) For SDR: it will preserve the native 8-bit depth of the source content without any reconversion and just pass it to the TV as is (also in 4:4:4 when using PC Mode); 2) For HDR: the console will auto switch to native 10-bit, again just passing the HDR content original color depth without any conversion (YCC 4:2:2 should be OFF too for this to happen); 3) For DV: the console will auto switch to native 12-bit, just passing the DV content original color depth without any conversion If you change Xbox "Color Depth" option to something else, it will only affect the point 1) above for SDR, where the console will also "re-convert" (and usually compress) the original 8-bit signal to something else, for example forcefully reconvert and upscaling it to 10-bit or 12-bit (at 4:2:0 chroma instead of original 4:4:4 in PC Mode too), so it's not recommended.

P40L0

Why 8 bit color depth for hdr? Why not 10 bit?

Aras

"Ideally" yes and I've read reports that if on NVIDIA Control Panel you set everything on "Auto" it should actually do this automatically but from what I know this is not 100% true so, yes, just always keep everything on Limited/Low as suggested and you should never face any mismatches at all.

P40L0

Do you mean that on PC, we should change the RGB mode in the nvidia control panel when we swap between SDR and HDR? Cause that would be a burden. Can't we just always keep limited / low? Many thanks.

Michaël Ribaud

Ahh that makes perfect sense. Vincent had recommended high but was using the PS5 UI/HDR setup when measuring, if I remember correctly. Like you said, makes more sense to just stick to limited if the games were made with that in mind. Weird that the PS5 always seem to stick to full when auto is on. Anyway, been using your settings the last day, looks great. Thanks!

Chad Brown

Except for internet browser and pro apps, all movies and games are created within Limited/Legal video range/target. Ideally only on PC you should have: - 4:4:4 RGB Full + High Black Level with SDR @ 8-bit; - 4:4:4 RGB Limited + Low Black level for HDR/DV @ 10-bit (for HDMI 2.1 devices); On PS5 this is not necessary as only its Dashboard UI will actually leverage Full RGB but nothing else. Trying setting PS5 to "Auto" RGB range and the TV to "Auto" Black Level could also create black levels mismatches sometimes due to a bug where the console will correctly trigger "Limited" RGB when HDR is handshacked, but the TV's "Auto" setting will actually remain to High black level. By manually forcing Limited/Low you will avoid that and basically everything will always look correct.

P40L0

I have the LG G1, setting up your recommended settings for PS5 HDR, would you still recommend limited over full for this model? Just curious as to why limited is preferred over full. Thanks!

Chad Brown

Yes

P40L0

Quick question. For an Apple TV would you just recommend. The WebOS settings?

Malcolm French

Cheers! Thanks for the explanation. Keep up the exceptional work!

zeroFrost

Initially AMD FreeSync had issues coupled with Dolby Vision at 4K/120hz output on XSX but this got fixed, therefore it's the preferred VRR method as it is platform agnostic + it includes additional benefit for LFC and input lag when VRR is active.

P40L0

Interesting. Going over the updated chart for the 2019+ OLED and am wondering if you could explain why turn on AMD FreeSync Premium? From previous posts I’ve read, the built in HDMI already has its own form of VRR. Thanks!

zeroFrost

Yes

P40L0

Including the C9?

Malcolm French

Well, I retested newer models with updated hardware and software and Brightness 50, Contrast 85 is now more accurate for SDR.

P40L0

I’m confused. The old settings were 49 for Brightness and 95 for SDR content. What’s changed?

Malcolm French

Even if results will be very similar, I would use DTM in your case. See also the section for 2018 Series in the post where you can find other small changes to do compared to 2017 docs.

P40L0

If I have a 2018 series (B8) tv should I keep Dynamic Contrast on low in HDR Cinema or should I use DTM insted ?

Maciej Maciejewski


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