Sacred Symbols+, Episode 483 | Come 2027, Will We Really Need (or Want) PlayStation 6?
Added 2025-10-24 16:00:22 +0000 UTC
NOTE: We've decided to delay Sacred Symbols until tomorrow to include a pickup. Sorry for the change in schedule.
It's me, Colin! Please welcome Rhys Elliott of Alinea Analytics back to Sacred Symbols+. Back in early July, Rhys joined me for his first foray into the world of Sacred+, and at that time, we delved deep into sales data, consumer trends, and general industry analysis. Today, we do much the same, but with a different slate of topics and considerations. We begin with a foray into Helldivers 2's performance on Xbox and the future of off-platform PlayStation publishing, but then segue into a bunch of other stuff, too: The failure for Sony to fully support PlayStation 5 with first and second party product, the need (or lack thereof) for PS6, which strategies Sony and Microsoft will pursue in terms of next-gen pricing and access, the steady decline of the Xbox brand, Grand Theft Auto VI's potential sales and critical reception, the pricing controversy surrounding Silksong, the pending Saudi acquisition of storied American publisher Electronic Arts, and much more. Do enjoy!
Excellent discussion
YP-Berserk
2025-11-12 12:55:01 +0000 UTC
This was fantastic.
Shaun Wilkinson
2025-11-07 08:51:27 +0000 UTC
Me hearing Rhys plead with Colin not to get a real job
Bailey Callis
2025-10-29 21:24:51 +0000 UTC
👍
Now Here's a Guy
2025-10-28 11:15:19 +0000 UTC
We really need to start causing a ruckus about reviving Last of Us Online as a limited-time game.
John Nintendo
2025-10-27 09:54:48 +0000 UTC
The entitlement in the comments is crazy. Happy the see and hear Rhys back on the show, always very intelligent conversation
Griffin Karr
2025-10-26 08:08:58 +0000 UTC
A lot of good educated guesses in this episode.
Aaron
2025-10-26 04:40:37 +0000 UTC
On the terrible idea of a sovereign equity fund, Colin seems to be happy to dig in further on that and only respond to straw men and oversimplified counterarguments like “it’s socialism!” Having actually studied the real and scholarly arguments for why market systems work and overly centralized economies do not, I could go on for a long time, but I’ll just mention these points: 1) The idea that we have “unfettered capitalism” and have seen the failure of that is hilarious. In no remote way at all is the market unfettered and you can trace a lot of criticism of it to unintended consequences of government action; 2) I personally wouldn’t at all argue for NO government regulation of the market, but when you do propose further interference beyond the significant interference we already have, you need to think about those unintended consequences and “distortions” that would result; 3) the claim that the govt would own a stake in American companies and not take a voting role or otherwise use it to interfere in operations (for political and not business ends) is simply not how the world works or will ever work.
Mike R
2025-10-25 16:43:01 +0000 UTC
Colin this was a great episode and Rhys is an awesome guest. I love the current SS trio obviously and wouldn't change it, but if dusty or Chris were ever to leave, Rhys should be on your shortlist. He's educated, has great industry knowledge, and a clear passion for games.
Rhys, if you happen to read this, you and Sandeep Rai would make an awesome non American podcast duo
Big Swingin' Rick
2025-10-25 03:14:11 +0000 UTC
If this is referring to the closed alpha/beta with the NDA, Chris said he wouldn’t be playing. Unless he said elsewhere that he changed his mind
Michael McCoy
2025-10-24 23:49:14 +0000 UTC
Going to be very disappointed if the title of the delayed episode isn't Soil lyrics...
Rev. Gnome, D.D. (h.c.)
2025-10-24 22:40:13 +0000 UTC
I hope the pick up has to do with that dork who was disputing sales numbers with the 5 minute AI intro slop.
Alec Barcelos
2025-10-24 22:18:28 +0000 UTC
Good podcast and informative
Couple of things I’d like to comment on:
1. The EA situation, while I mostly agree, one thing that gets overlooked is that the Middle East, South America, and mainland Asia, still have slaves. Actual slaves. Most of it is with forced labor and less than indentured servitude, but I never see this brought up. I hear more about LGBT stuff being brought up over the enslavement of people. They should be called out so it’s good to see, but at the same time, from SNK, they really haven’t changed anything that I’ve known of and let them operate how they want.
2. Also regarding EA: once again, BioWare gets called out about most likely being axed. The only thing in the recent discussion you had on stream with SmashJT (which you 98 percent were in the right during it) that disagree with was your statement about Veilguard. You said didn’t they have 2 million sales, acting like it was in line with their expectations. This was blatantly wrong. It ended up having 1.5-2 million PLAYERS and I believe it was estimated to have actual sales of less than a million. They expected 3 million either sales or players and didn’t reach that. It just sort of contradicts when you tried to act like it was a success, but then once again as many on LSM have stated, BioWare is most likely going to be axed. Other than that, that was the only thing I disagreed with in the discussion/debate.
3. It’s nice having these people on to talk sales. I’ve always been someone who followed sales of games and consoles and for a while at one point it was a lot harder to get sales. With the whole players numbers being thrown around the past few years, which means absolutely nothing except in the context of free to play games to possibly project how many sales the product might be able to produce, it’s nice to see real numbers talk.
PairOfShuse
2025-10-24 22:03:21 +0000 UTC
Downside: couldn’t listen to sacred symbols at work today. Upside: I get to listen to sacred symbols at work tomorrow.
Fella
2025-10-24 21:46:56 +0000 UTC
Lame
Casey Cieslikowski
2025-10-24 21:17:21 +0000 UTC
Chris, idk if you read the comments but if you’re playing marathon and would be willing to play with a fan sometime this weekend that’d be cool 👌
Jeff Willingham
2025-10-24 20:47:55 +0000 UTC
GuYs YoUVe pUT tHE wROnG sHoW Up 😡😡😡 !!!!!
Matt Wiles
2025-10-24 19:36:54 +0000 UTC
Nvm sacred wasn’t delayed for the debate with JT smash so :). I’ll listen to this happily while I make an awesome 15 minute AI buttrock intro for my ragebait YouTube channel.
ChrisChan Amiibo
2025-10-24 19:07:50 +0000 UTC
I grew up in Swansea, but I live in Amsterdam now!
I had a girlfriend in Bridgend when I was in uni though! Visited often :)
Rhys Elliott
2025-10-24 18:49:44 +0000 UTC
This guy must like like 10 minutes away from me haha! Bridgend here!
Isaac Hodgson Downs
2025-10-24 18:25:34 +0000 UTC
Obviously the delay is for Halo coming to PS5, but I do hope Colin mentions the debate with Smash JT. At least mention that god awful intro 🤣
Michael McCoy
2025-10-24 18:24:08 +0000 UTC
At first I assumed this was all jokes, but I now realise these people actually think that's the reason for the delay, which is mental. Take a good long look in the mirror folks
Deemac
2025-10-24 17:46:56 +0000 UTC
At times like this, the truly autistic sensibilities of the LSM audience is highlighted
Deemac
2025-10-24 17:45:47 +0000 UTC
Listen to it at 4x speed between commercials like the rest of us
i_wish_you_wood
2025-10-24 17:38:23 +0000 UTC
Better be a good pickup I’m pretty busy with college football and series tomorrow
Jason H
2025-10-24 17:12:55 +0000 UTC
Dude I don’t know what anyone is talking about here, please explain
Smega Man
2025-10-24 17:12:21 +0000 UTC
Why the fuck are some of you so mad about the delay in these comments 😂
Dennis Fox
2025-10-24 17:11:42 +0000 UTC
Halfway thru this episode I keep thinking I have heard Colin say all this a dozen times.
drew
2025-10-24 16:58:40 +0000 UTC
First thought seeing the delay was Halo. Didn’t even know any kind of debate happened yesterday lol
Chris Yont
2025-10-24 16:56:16 +0000 UTC
I’m saddened to see the amount of LSM listeners thinking Colin would delay the show for the first time ever to give airtime to some nobody he talked with for fun. Are you fucking serious? It’s clearly something industry related, for FUCKS sake.
Fernando
2025-10-24 16:54:21 +0000 UTC
Rhys is a great guest solid ss+ 🤙
Eric the human
2025-10-24 16:51:45 +0000 UTC
Fine.
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
2025-10-24 16:49:53 +0000 UTC
Delaying the main show so you can elaborate on how you dunked on a retard on the Internet is crazy work
Edit* I saw Dustin said the delay is not due to the debate. Thank goodness.
StewDog
2025-10-24 16:46:30 +0000 UTC
What in the muthafuck is going on ?
Tyrone Yhip
2025-10-24 16:36:59 +0000 UTC
Hope everyone in the LSM camp is ok and well x
Carl Wallace
2025-10-24 16:31:02 +0000 UTC
I saw the Smash JT video on his channel. Ya got him good Colin. Now maybe you can debate Geeks and Gamers and Ryan Kinel over Intergalactic. You might be able to calm down there hate boner for Neil Druckmann.
Christian
2025-10-24 16:22:47 +0000 UTC
I hope it both. It will make it funnier to bring up the dipshit
PropellerDoggo
2025-10-24 16:21:38 +0000 UTC
All good
drew
2025-10-24 16:16:08 +0000 UTC
If I had to guess pickup is for potential Halo on PlayStation reveal today, not Colin schooling some dipshit on the internet, as delightful as it was
2Blurry2Bigfoot
2025-10-24 16:15:33 +0000 UTC
FYI: Gene and Jaffe are digging into the debate slop tonight on Jaffe’s channel if you are fiending for the schadenfreude.
Alright, next comment will be on the actual episode.
John Nintendo
2025-10-24 16:15:10 +0000 UTC
Must be to see if Halo is announced for PS5 at the HWC today. Dont think they'd announce platforms for a first reveal but we'll see.
Michael Welter
2025-10-24 16:14:32 +0000 UTC
It’s difficult to celebrate Colin obliterating someone who was so obviously of the special needs persuasion 😉
Forrest Hunter
2025-10-24 16:13:46 +0000 UTC
Eh
Girth Brooks
2025-10-24 16:12:11 +0000 UTC
Curious, but all will be revealed tomorrow
Gabriel
2025-10-24 16:11:57 +0000 UTC
Not too sure about that. Smash was cordial the entire time while Colin got really aggressive and started spurging out. All while never addressing the point that ranking a game’s (unreleased) revenue figures compared to other games does not “objectively” prove “success”.
Girth Brooks
2025-10-24 16:11:36 +0000 UTC
It’s not that deep, man.
GoofyCrazyRaccoon
2025-10-24 16:10:40 +0000 UTC
No, that's not the reason for the delay.
-Dustin
Dustin Furman
2025-10-24 16:10:30 +0000 UTC
Is this the first time SS has ever been delayed a day? Just curious I’m not mad lol. Like others have said, hope the pickup is to address that hilarious stream from last night.
Brandon Crownover
2025-10-24 16:09:42 +0000 UTC
Pick up must be pretty significant, I don't think I've seen you guys miss a Friday release before
TheHOOfan1
2025-10-24 16:09:02 +0000 UTC
Got to be honest, don’t even think it’s worth the pickup, JT is room temp IQ nonsense, I think Colin exposed him pretty bad last night.
As someone who is also a conservative who follows gaming, guys like JT who are cringe and uninformed as fuck totally take the wind out of our sails, what a joke that was, dudes intro gave me instant nausea.
Brian
2025-10-24 16:08:42 +0000 UTC
Please tell you didnt delay over internet beef. Dont give that loser the satisfaction. Could've waited to talk about it next week. Its not news. Not my podcast network was just looking forward to the normal show today.
Michael Welter
2025-10-24 16:08:34 +0000 UTC
Sacred delayed for a “pickup”? Whats that?
Girth Brooks
2025-10-24 16:08:26 +0000 UTC
:(
ChrisChan Amiibo
2025-10-24 16:08:17 +0000 UTC
Doesn’t our boy Colin have a warrant out for his arrest after the MURDER that took place?!
Dr. N-Word Cortex
2025-10-24 16:08:14 +0000 UTC
How can this be?
Melchizedek
2025-10-24 16:07:46 +0000 UTC
I really hope the pick up is about Colin talking about the masterclass performance of the grifter last night
Monkey D Luffy
2025-10-24 16:06:40 +0000 UTC
You're going to have explain this "retard debate." Is it about trains?
Found Waldo In Bed With My Wife
2025-10-24 16:05:47 +0000 UTC
Saw you wipe the floor with that guy last night. Pickup is well deserved.
Eric the human
2025-10-24 16:05:38 +0000 UTC
I was in the live chat last night. I said, “tf is this AI slop?” and got insta-muted lol.
John Nintendo
2025-10-24 16:04:57 +0000 UTC
I hope the pickup is regarding Colin's debate with JT smash guy.
Carlos Enrique Sierra
2025-10-24 16:04:39 +0000 UTC
“It was easier than you think”
The Lizard King
2025-10-24 16:03:55 +0000 UTC
Well my Friday is ruined and depression has set in.
Anyways I'll listen to this and forget about everything in 30 seconds.
Mitch Orobko
2025-10-24 16:03:22 +0000 UTC
My favorite podcast host, Colin Montgomery
JustOkJeremy
2025-10-24 16:03:11 +0000 UTC
Is the pick up going to be about that debate with the retard last night
ScrubbingBubblez
2025-10-24 16:03:08 +0000 UTC
Waiting for the halo on PS5 announcement I see
Would love a sacred x duke to check in when that finally happens
Orb Ponderer
2025-10-24 16:03:07 +0000 UTC
Pick up to include the Halo news? Or am I missing something else?
Plus maybe Colin can talk about him bodying that grifter last night lol
Deemac
2025-10-24 16:02:16 +0000 UTC
Read the note :)
Dustin Furman
2025-10-24 16:01:05 +0000 UTC
This is a nice surprise!
Haru Discourse
2025-10-24 16:01:02 +0000 UTC
this can’t be right?
Monty Pearson
2025-10-24 16:00:48 +0000 UTC
Mateusz Kuklinski
2025-10-24 16:00:41 +0000 UTC
First!
Mateusz Kuklinski
2025-10-24 16:00:32 +0000 UTC