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Severance 2x10

Another fantastic finale!

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Bro Helly did NOT help in the end with Mark man, standing there like the undertaker. He found his wife bro, u knew the plan why are you standing there like that?!??!

Barbietube

If its anything like his dance in season 1 the actor probably improv'd it and they kept it lmao it was so random.

Landers L

We saw Natalie at least once or twice after that I believe. Mainly when Milcheck was talking to her and trying to gauge her reaction about the Black Kier paintings. But, yes, its clear they're setting something up with her because you could easily tell she had a lot on her mind she was afraid to say.

CK12341

i never had any problem believing that mark and helly liked each other, that might be a you thing

wren

The ending pissed me off helly is sooo fucking chopped I’d much rather be with Gemma WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

Kane

Severance S1: Mildly disturbing sci-fi Severance S2: Straight up survival horror

Bria A.

Outie Mark conveniently left out what the reintegration process did to his friend Petey. I don't even think innie Mark knows Petey is dead.

Starman Deluxe

I get that that’s what they were going for, the problem is that the actors have zero romantic chemistry to make it work. plus the first half of the season had mark literally could not tell that helly had been swapped with a whole ‘nother person and that person literally raped him but that’s all fine now because mark and helly had one awkward af sex scene. like, that should have been a major point of contention in the relationship, if not the nail in the coffin, but instead it’s just fine now because they need us to believe mark and helly are so in love to justify this ending.

Alice

it wasn’t that same mark. it was innie mark. innie mark was created to be without the pain of gemma’s passing, and he was. he does not care about her like outie mark does because he is his own person with his own desires and consciousness. innie mark loves helly

wren

Milcheck hit them with the “this X-ray is harmless brb” ahh run

Mohamed Hassan

Finale so good I had split it up into 3 days. I didn’t want it to end 😩

Jett33

You gotta see it from Mark S' perspective. If he goes out that door he's dead. He knows he's probably fucked inside Lumon and probably has no plan but he's willing to fight for every minute he gets to keep with Helly. He did his part and saved Gemma (hopefully Devon and Ms. Cobel are in a getaway car outside) so now he wants to fight for his chance to live.

General Crisp

the whole point of the show is about love thats what fields and burt were talking about and thats what dylan and his wife are going through so helly and mark romance being the main thing is to tell us that the same mark who grieved so hard for gemma didn’t give a fuck about her in that moment

H

Nooooo poor gemma 💔💔

H

I agree. Peak show but questionable ass ending

THERES A GHOST IN THE HOUSE

Ngl that ending was MID wtf man

THERES A GHOST IN THE HOUSE

The way Milchek ran was insane lmfaoooooooo

THERES A GHOST IN THE HOUSE

For a second I thought Mark and Helly were running to the OT room to take full control of their bodies or something.

Mr. Glasses

i agree for the most part, but from the innie’s pov they really only know each other so it’s understandable that they would be so in love like that so fast. and as far as the d goes… his is all helly knows lol

wren

Burt and Irving is pretty close to Bert and Ernie

Starman Deluxe

We may encounter issues in the future with Ricken and his book. It seems as if they were setting something up, but the last we saw of Ricken or Natalie, I believe, was when they were discussing the book.

Starman Deluxe

Yea, but how you’re gonna report where and why he got killed

Chris

I kinda feel for innie Mark. He felt dismissed by his outie but still fought to get Gemma out. And I think the ending was innie Mark choosing himself since he didn't trust the reintegration process.

Bella

I don’t know how I feel because this doesn’t end good in any way, shape or form unless you’re going to magically create some bullshit to make this work. There is no form of this that doesn’t screw over Gemma who I like 10x more than Helly who had more screen time(She’s a goated actress tho, exceptional character). I will say visually, sonically, and tension wise. This shit was peak even if I don’t agree with the ending and I don’t care about nobody on the other side, trying to convince me otherwise. “Boy fuck you”

Jay Voorhees

BRIENNEEEEEE MY GOATTT , they hoed you and Jaime in GOT still pissed about that

Jay Voorhees

The craziest part is we gotta remember Mark didn’t start working for Lumen until after Gemma had already disappeared. So, from her perspective, Mark literally only came down there to get her out and then ran off to go be with someone he maybe fell in love with after she disappeared - which would confirm what the “Dr” told her during her last analysis in that other room.

John Travelle

Gemma's gonna need to reintegrate and get all her 25 innies in-line so that they can go rescue Mark.

AutumnOnFire

I think everyone forgets how secretive Lumen is. There's a reason they separate all departments so much and why there's so little security. There is only a small amount of people that have the trust to know about what is happening on the severed floor, in multiple parts of the world. They keep the departments separate to lower the need of more security. If the departments are separated and don't trust eachother, then there's no need for many security guards keeping people separated. With all the innies presumably revolting at the end, they can't really contain it. If they work as an army, they can't leave but they also can't be forced to leave. Lumen won't turn them all off because they need to keep everything on the floor a secret. It's the whole reason they sever people in the first place. They've trapped themselves. If the severed floor all refuses to leave and band together, Lumen can't do anything besides try to negotiate with them.

Chimpman

Overall I really liked this season and finale, but I think I’d like it a lot more if I they hadn’t made the Mark/Helly romance such a major part of his decision making here at the end. They’ve just never had great romantic chemistry, they always just feel like work buddies, not even friends, but this is his one true love?? He couldn’t even tell when Helly and Helena switched. They made a point to bring that up more than once. But I’m supposed to believe Mark is sooooo in love with her? I’m supposed to believe Helly’s main issue is that she didn’t get to experience sex with Mark and not the fact that he didn’t know it wasn’t her??? And also, while I get Mark’s perspective on why he would chose himself and his life over going with Gemma, I don’t get where Helly is coming from. Homegirl was literally willing to die just to give Helena the fuck you. She has always been way more invested in overthrowing Lumon and exposing what they’ve done to them, and she knows Mark getting out with Gemma is the thing that can make it happen. She even says as much. But at the last second she changes her mind because The Power of Love? For a man who literally couldn’t tell that she was missing? And after that awkward as fuck sex scene? We know the dick ain’t that good!!!

Alice

Literally transferring pain to other “people” so crazy oml

Daniel

Damn gang😭. Cooked me for having sleep deprived “thoughts” lol

B for Brooklyn

I'm going to watch the whole react, but I first skipped to the part with Drummond eating it. I had the same reaction as Roshi, just laughing my ass off. It's a great piece of physical comedy because you're on the edge of your seat expecting Drummond to take advantage of the transition.

David Sacks

I agree, the Helena comments are stupid. The one running is Helly R, not Helena. But I haven't seen any other impulsive comments. Sheera also concluded the symbolism well enough. Certain season 3 prediction is also not farfetch. Lupa is also listening to the discussion, he's not ignorant (I'm assuming you're mentioning him).

Un D

you aint say shit

David Emerson

Who has the time for all that haha

MayvaAva

I think it’s less “Mark chose Helly” and more “Mark S chose himself” because of course Mark S doesn’t love or have an any real attachment to Gemma (something he realizes when she turns around urging him to come with her (very Orpheus and Eurydice)), he was literally created not to. But he loves Helly, his friends, his sense of morality, he has a life, and he chose to stay and fight for it rather than give in to his outie

MayvaAva

the choice itself may have been rational, but even more rational would be saying "im sorry, im marks innie, i love her, she'll die if i leave" or somethingggggg to that effect, just to make sure she knew for sure,and knew the reason was valid

Matthew MacKinnon

Exactly, I paid to be here so clearly I have my own money and card to spend on this.

CentipedeKid

Rest in piss Drummond

User10101

BOY WHAT DE ASS IS DISS???????????

Expired Breast Milk

I got so many feelings about this. Innie Mark fulfilled his end of the bargain, but there is no game plan after this. So, it will be interesting to see what they do with this Innie revolution they got going on. There are many plot threads to explore still. Helena clearly is going to play a role. She seems to not like being an Eagen that much. Her own father hates her. So we will probably have a Helly Helena back and forth heart to heart. Milcheck has some threads to close up and learn about his past. 3rd season will probably be the final one though. This finale got me pissed and frustrated but at least Gemma is outta that shit. I understand Mark S staying, but it really felt like Helly was telling him to go in the office. Only for him to pull the "Nah baby...I choose you..." trope. It pisses me off, but sets up an interesting dynamic of now Gemma and Devon with Harmony will have to work on something. Still an amazing show and one of the best I've seen. I hope the 3rd season doesn't start to dry out. I really want this show to end while it is good and not drag out and lose creativity. The best shows never overstay their welcome. Time to wait!

Jarren Jenkins

Mark killed Drummond bro is extra cooked

Lezu

Dichen (the actress that plays Gemma) confirmed in an interview that Gemma knew it was Mark’s innie in the hallway who went back and chose Helly R. Personally, I think the choice Mark S made is entirely rational and is what most of us would choose in a similar situation, and I think people hating on innie Mark lack a great deal of empathy for a class of characters (innies) that have faced severe trauma and lack of bodily autonomy. If he can have even 10 more mins of life with Helly, I think it will all be worthwhile for him. And Gemma can do something on the outside to make sure they don’t kill Mark on the inside, plus Gemma is now officially alive and that was the whole point of the season.

Derrick

Reintegration is definitely going to be explored more next season

jayzwrld

holy crybaby

PiquesoJac

Sometimes I wonder if I’m watching the same show as some of y’all. Absolutely no literary analysis skills in these comments, or even with a certain member of the trio.

Derrick

They already confirmed it was Helly the entire episode.

entity

A prestigious show like this one isn’t gonna redo the same story arc all over again with Gemma being trapped at lumon. Regardless, lumon had only one fucking body guard in the severed floor because they rely too much on the severance procedure. they also don’t trust too many people to be unsevered down there because they’re doing serious crimes. This means the security out there probably don’t know who she is or what she means to them. I doubt they’re sharing with the entire staff that they’ve been secretly holding someone against their will. They won’t have the wherewithal to try to snatch her and keep her there

Danielle

I know that but regardless what if lumon does something worse because mark and helly are on the run in this on building and can’t leave so it may be pointless. Outie mark can’t even be with his wife now after two years of thinking she’s lost I’ll be upset

CleoKujo

Bob, did you think Kid Cudi was a child before seeing him for the first time? Dummy

Danielle

Exactly. People that are genuinely upset with innie-Mark are insane to me. Trying to infantilize him and minimize his experiences when you used him and the Severance procedure as means not confronting his grief and now are asking him to save your wife and effectively agree to “die.”

Aaron Posey

Why? He made a decision for the first time in his life. He didn’t ask to be brought into existence and as far as he knows leaving with Ms. Casey (to him) means near-certain death. No one knows what reintegration is because it has yet to be achieved successfully. He upheld his end of the bargain by saving Gemma.

Aaron Posey

I don't think that was the severed Helena

TALK NO JUTSU

It doesn’t matter how it’s spun. The fact remains that he did it as a means of escape. And how is it “unselfish”? He separated himself and trapped that other side of him in a corporate hellscape where every waking moment of his existence is trapped there. There is no reprieve for innie Mark.

Aaron Posey

Britt Lower (Helly's actress) said that it was Helly and that the look was Helly realizing she felt empathy for an outie for the first time, which is why i think she looked so oddly at Gemma

Megan Landro

Note to self: - What is Reghabi's motivation for reintegration? And why was Petey the first one? - Do we get more information about Burts work history at Lumon? - What is the significance of the goats? - What did Cobel think of when she heard that Irving knew about the hallway? - How did Irving know about the hallway? - What does Mark's painting mean? - Do we get to know more about Ms. Huang and how that came about? - Mark worked on Gemma, who did the other members of MDR work on? - Will we learn about James Eagan's other children?

HikiFan

now to wait for season 3 in 2027/2028

Mysteric

I think saying his outie doesn't care about him at all is overreach seeing as how the only reason Mark S even exists is because of an action Mark took that was both inherently selfish and unselfish at the same time. So to a degree he does. Also, if he wanted to extend his life I don't see how staying in the place you just became disposable in is the way to do it. He wanted to stay with Helly but even then Lumen knows of your relationship with her and can very easily just not allow you to ever see her anymore. They dont need him for work so he can't force their hand again, he has no cards left. Emotionally, just from his perspective, it makes sense but any attempt to logically rationale this will point toward hoping for a positive reintegration as being his best chance to exist as long as possible. Especially considering the fact of him saving Gemma, Mark would have no choice but to keep his promise because he has people around him (his sister) who would hold him accountable to it because of how big what he just did was.

suzukiri

I mean that "farmable land" is only farmable as long as Lumon keeps power flowing to the severed floor to the UV growing lights they'd need to make it possible, otherwise that floor is gonna be devoid of life in a few months max. The only things in their favor are that they have Helena Eagan as a hostage, and Lumon probably won't be able to explain this many people going missing at once (assuming these people ever get to leave in the first place)

John Cedar

I think the black secretary chick for the council is an inferior version of Ms. Casey. An earlier version.

David Emerson

Man this Severance Season 2 Finale pissed me off so much

David Emerson

Yeah, I was thinking they'd use one of the hostages and make them tell them where the new security room is. They have Drummond's keycard so they can access any room i'd assume. Still not too sure how they'd go about the whole negotiating thing though. They could hold Milchick hostage but I doubt Lumon higher ups care about him. They could hold Helena hostage by Helly refusing to leave, but Jame already said how he doesn't care for her at all. Maybe since he said he saw Kier in Helly his new thing is trying to get Helly to become his actual daughter on the outside and killing Helena by having her stay in Glasgow block form but that's a whole other story. The only hostage they could have down there that I think would make sense for Lumon to bargian back for is Jame assuming he hasn't left the floor yet since he's still in the process of finding an Eagen heir.

Jr

you don’t gotta be rude when someone jus thinks a theory bruh

Fred

Lupa saying don't crash out is crazy foreshadowing 🤣

Logan Routien

To be fair, the security room was moved this season to make room for Dylan's outie visitation suite. But yeah, they can essentially hold their outies hostage and stay 'at work' to declare their independence and try to negotiate for rights.

vesra

Walking through that door was the same as hanging himself basically. I don't think he cares about "what's gonna happen now". He has no emotional connection to Gemma and knows that his outie doesn't give a fuck about him so he's just extending his life and seeing what happens.

Jr

"As soon as she leaves she's going back to being Helena" that's the whole point, they aren't going to leave. They just got like 50+ people on their side with the marching band, they're friends with the goat department & O&D and there's probably more departments down there that they can band together with. We know they have farmable land down there (the goat farm) so they can probably sustain themselves. They have control of the security room wihch holds a lot of the severance controls. I assume there might be a way to shut the elevator off so that they're "trapped" down there. The only issue with this idea is if Lumon has ways to turn off the chips from outside of that room which would be smart (but Lumon isn't the best at "being smart" hence the 14 year old 2nd in command and literally no security on the entire floor). Also, who's putting Mark down on the testing floor? Unless they send in an army through that elevator they aren't going back to working on shit

Jr

I really like the james bond fight reference

Daniel De Lira

Oh … you just left your wife like that is crazy 😭😭

David Larraga

The actress herself confirmed that was Helly R in the last scene

Charles Oliveira

I'm sorry, but you obviously didn't think. That is the most stupid "twist" that has absolutely no proof and would ruin the whole episode from the writing stand point.

Ayaulym🇰🇿

1:11:15 because of that look…part of me thinks somehow Helena took over somewhere in between the time the hallways started blinking red and when she finds Mark S. at the exit. But then, the other part of me thinks it is actually Helly and she just decided she wants to live with Mark S., she doesn’t want to be selfless/accept her fate any longer, just like how Mark S. chose Helly (or who he believes is Helly) over Gemma in that moment. Either way, what a fucking ride. I love this show. Outie Dylan is a wonderful human being for letting Innie Dylan have the choice to live on or not. His response to the resignation letter almost made me cry both times I watched it. And Milchick…I’m hoping what occurs this episode is the final straw for him, but I worry it’ll just make dig his heels in even further (especially since Drummond is dead, one less obstacle to worry about).

Clinton the Bingethinker

So your theory is they are doing something they have been doing since season 1?

CentipedeKid

I think it's more so that she's happy Mark chose her. Yeah, the Gemma situation is messed up, and Outie Mark deserves to be with her, but human beings are kind of selfish. I feel like most people would be somewhat happy that they got chosen.

TheyCallMeKingz

There was nothing cruel about what she did it's definitely Helly. They wouldn't remove a significant character moment like choosing to go with Mark just to pull the same twist and reveal again in Season 3. Her character isn't just going to be watered down to "Is it Helly? Is it Helena?"

Jr

It was confirmed by the showrunners to be Helly R. I honestly think Ben Stiller just fucked up the direction of that look - it's supposed to be a empathic look but it just looks like "ha ha!"

Spencer

…I think from the start of the episode, that was Helena.

B for Brooklyn

Saw this in another comment section. Remember, Helly isn't cruel. That's 100% Helena. The way she looked at Gemma was dirty.

Derrick B

I love that they went from rooting for iMark in Season 1 to rooting for oMark in Season 2. Man, Season 3 is about to go crazy with iMark vs oMark. Gemma, Devon, and Ms Cobel will team up to save oMark from iMark and Helly.

Alex Omega

HOLY cow, the macro data uprising, i totally forgot that.

BREAD li

S3 the innies vs kier war begins.

Red Ted

1:05:47 knee-

Guns

Remember when Mark compared losing his wife as the goat department losing their goats and said: “wouldn’t you look for your goat if it got lost?” Lo and behold Gemma and the goats were connected anyways

Guns

Well let's look at the facts. She's been inside this facility for the last two years. Before getting there she was in a car crash so she doesn't even know where this place is relative to to literally anything else. She has no phone and no access to a car or map. The only people to know she's alive are Cobel, Devon and Lumon. Cobel cant go near Lumon right now and unless Devon was waiting outside to pick them up which would look suspicious I don't see how she makes it home. That's without taking into account the psychological damage she just suffered watching Mark who she's seen for 1 minute run off with another woman. So you tell me do you think she makes it home with all the odds stacked against her?

CentipedeKid

Milchick staying at the worst job possible just to have his musical number 😂

zacharie garondo

I’m thinking they’re not even going to leave. They boutta hunker down and ask for demands to essentially unkidnap themselves. This is the real start of the macro data uprising. SSS Tier show. Now to wait for S3😩

Jesse’s finga paintin

you actually think gemma wont be able to make it home?

levolly

I dont think that was a smirk

levolly

😂

B4sicChris

that smirk by Helly to Gemma is making me spiral… is that Helena?!?! also, i think the father Eagan would make Helly the outie, since she got the “Kier” in her

B23

Everyone wants to be in the innie's side til they do something they dont like then suddenly it's "why bother you'll never get out" and "fuck you mark s", sounding a whole lot like Lumon rn! He has a right to life, like every other innie! What, NOW that they don't want to act like slaves, like perfect victims it's "fuck the innies"? Right right... It's frustrating but they need to take everything they can get, lying down like a dog and just letting Lumon/their outies walk all over them is something they've already been doing! Even just the attempt at fighting is important, and says a lot about how far Mark S has come too. Helly isn't a stranger to fighting but what I do like is the way she looked at Gemma, and no it wasn't cruel or a smirk, it was a look of pity. She actually feels bad for an outie, that's HUGE for Helly, she fkn hates outies! Gemma is possibly the only one that has suffered the same oppression and loss of autonomy as the innies, and I think in that moment Helly realises that, but takes off with Mark anyway, clawing at any more time they can get, and I hope that has lasting repercussions on her in s3. Besides, the fact it was Helly has already been confirmed, I like that that moment isn't meant to be a "twist" or ambiguous, it would cheapen the emotional depth, not to mention if they did the same twist AGAIN that would fuckin suck I trust the writers much more than that. Ben Stiller said the goal is the next season won't take 3 years, and it's already being worked on, see ya'll in 2027

naumi

surprised they didnt make a joke when she said long, black, and hidden 💀

Alan

I love that both iMark and oMark think the other one is some badass savage James Bond character oMark goes to work and then wakes up with a gun to somebody who’s dying on him iMark goes down the elevator with someone, then wakes up covered in blood, making out with Ms Casey

windyMelon

gemma is highly intelligent she literally has to go up the stairs and to the exit, and it's common knowledge at this point that lumon security is shit and devon's actress confirmed she's waiting outside but they cut the scene. gemma knows mark is severed just as she was. it isn't a betrayal and she wouldn't take it that way either it's purely just innie mark choosing himself and unfortunately that means she won't get her husband for a while

gee

Can't wait to see Milkshakes actor in other things now, no way he doesn't pop off after his performance in Severance, easily my favourite part of this show Really interesting to see what's going to be happen next season, we're going to start seeing iMark dealing with reintegration whether he likes it or not They'd better bring back my boy Irv

Flynnrir

@Danielle Says the dumbass lmao

YungZeus

Helly had said she wish her and Mark had more time so Mark staying was his way of doing that. Plus them niggas know they are dead when they step out that door. Also innie Mark held up his end of the deal and got Gemma out so he probably feels he should get what he wants too which is Helly.

Corey Leach

I understand fucking over Lumon but she fucked Mark and Gemma while she'll be fine compared to them.

CentipedeKid

I mean her dad did have some bastards so maybe. But I doubt it.

CentipedeKid

Oh I know lol. I'm just assuming Mark would think, 'All good, she's out now.' I doubt the stairwell just goes outside, it likely goes into the lobby. And everything is on max alert. So good luck girlie. But also! Idk if maybe Devon and/or Cobel planned a getaway car or some shit blah blah. We just dunno. I'm gonna guess she'll meet up with Devon somehow and get stuff explained to her. She's also not ignorant to how the outside world works even if it's 2 years later. I'm guessing a big part of next season will be something along the lines of what they're guessing here: now they're switched and it's mission get Mark out, or something. She'll definitely be distressed and upset/devastated to some degree, but I don't believe she'll be destroyed. But again- all conjecture.

Shabammo

How is leaving her in a stairwell on Lumon property miles away from civilization doing anything? Not only that they psychologically just fucked her. She just saw the man she's waited 2 years to see for about 30 seconds and he chose another women. That on top of her not knowing where she is or how to get to Devon fucked her. She doesn't even know what's going on.

CentipedeKid

You realize there are people that hate the idea of worshiping God right. If there are people that hate that idea when it comes to a omnipotent God how do you think they'd feel about some drunk assholes that sent him into work hungover for 2 years and wouldn't let him leave.

CentipedeKid

damn no matter the show mark stay needing the assist in these fights, where’s the viltrumite spirit?

retrocalie

Ok how is Gemma supposed to find Devon? She has no phone, car or knowledge of how to get home. It's not like cobel could go to Lumon and pick her up or Devon. So Gemma is just left in a stairwell with no way of getting home. They might as well have not gotten her.

CentipedeKid

innie mark doesn't give a fuck about his outie. probably the opposite honestly

Starcandy

Exactly Mark S best bet for survival is to pray reintegration works otherwise the alternative is just cease to exist.

CentipedeKid

Gemma might be out she isn't safe in any regard. She has no idea where she is or how to get home. There isn't shit for miles around that place and after what she just saw she'll be destroyed. Mark S and Helly hoed her.

CentipedeKid

Cringe ass word police over here. Plus, he has the word "kid" in his name, person with an IQ below 70.

Bob

This! Because ppl keep saying “I’m disappointed in Helly”…. When the speech she gave perfectly sums up why she ran off with Mark S at the end instead of trying to convince him to leave. They’ve both decided to “fight for it”. They made a choice. Finally getting to truly decide for themselves regardless of how it ends…. and it was bitter sweet.

jahara daughtry

Nah the look back smile was crazy tho.

CentipedeKid

It depends on what Lumons endgame is. If they're ready to start putting chips in people and turning them into loyal cultists, which is my theory, then it might not matter that she's escaped. They could be ready to start turning politicians and other authorities into cultists.

Just Gene

The issue is Mark S knows what they did to Gemma and knows what they can do to him, Helly and Dylan. The worse place for him to be would be in that building. Wtf is he going to do in there? At least on the outside he could report Drummond dead and that they kidnapped his wife and illegally chipped her. All it takes is the cops and the press and Lumon is fucked. I've been thinking every since the show came out all you need to do to shut this shit down is cause a pr nightmare. Just go on a murder spree. They can explain one death maybe but all of O And D. Yeah they aren't explaining that. All those people just mysteriously disappearing someone would notice. I think that's why they made the innies fear fighting with the other departments.

CentipedeKid

Using the R word as an adult is unfunny, tacky, and just plain embarrassing for you.

Danielle

Her being out there is an issue for them. She's supposed to be dead. Not alive with a chip in her head that turns her into 24 different people.

CentipedeKid

long story short don't have an innie/clone/copy of yourself cause eventually they gone Ho you in some type of way form or fashion 🤦‍♂️😂😂

HBK713🏄🏾‍♂️

Straight up 😁😁

HBK713🏄🏾‍♂️

Both Marks are fucking retarded. Mark S hoed the fuck out of Gemma. She can't get home without him. He drove there and has the keys to the car and a phone. Even without those Mark would be the only one that knows where to walk if they can't use the car. The entire plan was for nothing. Since Mark S sold.

CentipedeKid

You are dumb

Danielle

They would have had me with the band I was getting sturdy in my living room with Milcheck.

CentipedeKid

Calling it now. We are going to learn in season 3 that Helly and Helena have been talking to each other as well, and likely talking about ways to keep Mark in some fashion, since Helly loves him, and Helena seems to like him too, or at least just wants what Helly has. Because the way Helly looked at Gemma when Mark and Helly were running away made it seem like she just pulled off some plan that she had been plotting.

Nick

man Adam Scott did so great in this season finale it literally felt like Mark and Mark S. were 2 separate persons. also regards to everyone gaining up on Milchick maybe in season 3 we'll get to see the art of the departments fighting from season 1 happen in real time or something similar.

quxntum

or maybe he himself was a "lumon goon" but never actually met burt as his outie

DxShadow

first invincble now severance, all the marks getting choked on by big ass niggas

Seasick

not personally a fan of how the finale ended. you're gonna tell me innie mark couldnt tell gemma he's not outie mark? IT LITERALLY TAKES 5 SECS TO DO SO..... now all gemma saw was mark leaving with the head of the fuckin company..

DxShadow

The legs🤣

xProKnockz

I'm thinking more and more season 3 will be covering some kind of innie revolt, the sentiment of distrust has been growing in O&D, C&M is allied with MDR now, the goat people too are feeling it too. apparently theres some extra lore called "the Lexington letter" which i believe talks about another location which had some kind of rebellion.

Jake Rosendahl

I'm thinking, they might have got the data they needed from cold harbor. They saw that she was pretty much done with deconstructing the crib. If they did all those tests to see if they can completely deconstruct a personality and replace it with a new one then they completed those tests. I'm thinking it might not matter to Lumon at large that Gemma escaped. They might be ready for the next phase of Kier's big plan whatever it is. I'm thinking they are ready for a full cult world domination thing. I still think they turned Kier into an AI, of they can digitize personalities, turn them into building blocks to create new one, then they can definitely put a personality into a digital environment.

Just Gene

Cmon Mark S, I ain’t mad you want more time with the huzz but at least let your wifey know what a gwan

Sung Drip-Snoop

@Danielle and it’s dumb to confirm it.

YungZeus

mark s is pretty much dead if he left that hallway. he is pretty much dead if he stays. but at least if he stays he will be with the person he loves for that bit longer. dude is standing in front of a door that basically says to him 'you will cease to exist if you go through' and people are upset that he isnt just okay with dying

A. Saffari

I feel like irv was the first severed soldier, remember he’s a veteran and maybe he was reintegrated that’s why he remembers that room w the elevator.

DJ Muldrow

Damn, crazy. But, it just highlights humanity's greatest weakness / strength. They can always go hide with Brianne and Emilie. ^_^

Ren Lichtfoot

@Danielle You sound delusional thinking she’s just free because she got out that door. She’s literally in Lumon still on whatever floor. Don’t be dense.

YungZeus

I'm not even mad at Mark S. The plan was to get Gemma out, and he got her out, lol. Also, they may not let any of them leave. Dylon, Helly, and Mark were pretty much working together in this, and Drummond is dead. I'm almost certain they'll lock them on the same floor that Gemma was stuck on. If they could make her disappear for 2 years, I'm sure they can make the others outies just vanish.

Ezra

Milchick was bout to hit em with the flight of the bumblebee lol. And mann Mark S, I understand, but Helly pissed me off. Of course, I understand her wanting to run off with her first and only love, but it was still infuriating lol. Ohh yes, come die with me instead of getting your outtie out of here like I originally encouraged you to do 🙄

A. P.

Lmaoo Milchick running had me in tears 🤣

Alex

“It was easier pretending she never existed” is a CRAZY thing to say about your WIFE while you’re trying to convince your innie that you wont forget to keep your promise dude…

Guns

It’s moon knight all over again Steven isn’t real lol

Devin reid

Just realized Cobalt hearing about what Irving outie draws made HER realize something else entirely. I feel like its along the line of: “How does he still remember….?” Not: “how does he know”

Guns

Mark going through that door would've been tantamount to suicide. Mark knows him and Helly are effectively "dead" either way. He just wanted a bit more time with her. Like Helly said "I just wish we had more time." I'm willing to bet they'll find somewhere to hide just to have a bit more time together. Maybe the OTC room since there's no cameras in there.

Hollow

But Mr eagen don’t even like Helena

MrGuy3000

jame literally said i see kier in you and that he doesn’t love his daughter that’s def insinuating he’s choosing helly over helena. But we saw drummond try to kill mark and he’s high up in the company so he would know mark is essential or not. since he finished the file they don’t need him

Fred

Technically he owes his existence to her. Because if she hadn’t “died” then Mark wouldn’t have gotten Severed. Also there’s the fact that even if he has been doing it unknowingly, he has been response for the creation of 24 of her personalities and those personalities were tortured, not to mention that him completing his job is what would lead to her getting killed. So he owes her a lot.

BZD

It’s a dumb thing to repeat the Helena twist again

Danielle

If you seriously think the next season is gonna be Gemma trapped in Lumon and they basically repeat the same story arc all over again I don’t know what to tell you.

Danielle

Y’all acting like she flipped her off lol. It is Helly they’re not doing that again

Danielle

i don’t understand people who don’t understand the innies. people acting like mark s was choosing between pizza or hot dogs, he was literally choosing between his life and the life of the woman he loves vs getting his outie what he wants

💐

what do you mean? after everything she’s done to take down lumon they would not let her live, helena would be living not her

💐

*SHE* is not fine. sure helena is fine but they’ll never let helly live

💐

If he found Cobel first, he wouldn’t have went with her because he wouldn’t have trusted her in the first place, as seen when he first meets her again in episode 9, especially if she drops the bomb that Gemma is still alive. The whole thing with Devon also just feels out of character for her, you can say she was desperate but…. But all that doesn’t really matter because they should’ve still did something with it. All we got was a nosebleed and Reghabi’s hilarious face after operating on Mark.

YungZeus

yea gemma would've been clapped lmao i would've been in that room dancing like a majorette

kai. 🩶

All I gotta say is Helly was never that cruel

Mikaylin

Drummond gives me Thor from God of War Ragnarok vibes

Jordan

Any discourse on the ending kinda cracks me up. Personally, I'm heartbroken for EVERYONE (also the Dylan resignation form scene was one of my favorites). That ending felt perfect and gets better and better for me the more I reflect on it. Imagine you're Mark, in that hallway- you're in-between someone you know you love and have gone through hell and highwater with, and someone who you've been TOLD "you" love. You're asked to sacrifice all you are and all you have for someone you don't really trust and who doesn't really care about you as far as you're concerned. You've done your mission and got this other person out and safe. And as far as you know, however you "die", your outie will likely get out in the end so regardless of any "plan" you may or may not have- why not spend even only 5 or whatever more minutes with everything that matters to you. I honestly dunno if Mark has any plan. He probably believes Cobel, and if outie Mark is gonna "win the day" and get the rest of whatever life, if Lumon is gonna fall and the innies go poof- might as well get whatever time you can (even if that is likely not the case and they'll be stuck down there against their will or otherwise). It's epic and tragic. Honestly I just want Helly and Milchick to come out victorious for themselves most. Love those characters- and I'm the most worried for their futures lol. Also W for Emile, glad the goat made it. I like yall's theories and thoughts a lot. My first guess was wondering if the innies are gonna attempt a take-over sit-in of some kind- to live there and have total control of their own lives. But idk! We still have reintegration, the kid going off to that other place, Gemma outside now and still miss Cobel and Devon, Milchick, etc. That's my take at least. The red and white, the music, the tension and emotions... LOVED this finale. I have so many questions, and am excited about all of the sub-narratives yet to be fleshed out and explored. I have a lot more thoughts and theories too but that'd be an essay so I'll stop here. God I love this show.

Shabammo

I'm about to hear out the people who think Devon and Ricken are suspicious. Why would Lumon have them on a painting of people celebrating/witnessing the completion of Cold Harbour.

Sam

i cant wait to see who the files helly irving and dylan completed were for. If 24+1 is 25 for gemma is there someone close to each of them that they are working on

Fred

While getting gemma out does help in getting proof to the public but what stops lumon from keeping helly and mark getting severed 20+ times in those two rooms that were next to gemma’s downstairs. He literally can still lose helly i undertaand the pov that love is irrational and so is he but it’s definitely not a smart move or good for anyone in the long term. Like innie mark said he’s childish due to being alive for only 2 years

Fred

What you notice on the rewatch also is that outtie mark has almost crashed out multiple times but Devon was able to keep him together.

wavyesper

I think “reintegration” felt pointless because Mark and Devon never truly gave it a shot. Mark wasn’t reintegrating because he considered his innie to be just as human as him, he did just started the process because he knew of no other solution at the time. If he had met Cobel first he would have never reintegrated and would’ve found himself still in the situation he is in at the end of the finale. The lack of time and the siblings reluctance is what made reintegration pointless. Characters like Irv would’ve have embraced it. From glimpses we can gather that Irv cares for his innie or at least is willing to protect it (e.g. the way he immediately covered for him when Milchick questioned him in ep 2 of season 2).

Mimi I

Wow, that’s a dumb thing to confirm if true. Just let people theorize tf. Hopefully they’re on their Andrew Garfield type shit.

YungZeus

@Danielle she’s still in the building

YungZeus

A good season overall with a few hiccups, but the one thing I disliked really was that reintegration kind of felt pointless. Episode 4 or whatever episode Mark gets reintegrated and shows him in that room that Helly wakes up in, kind of hyped up nothing. Hopefully it plays a bigger role next season and doesn’t get forgotten somehow. The actor for Milchick is goated also. Him running out the room from Dylan fucking killed me.

YungZeus

Thank you☺️

Asiallysia

Yeah but he didn't give him life as some benevolent gift, iMark was just a way for oMark to escape his grief and avoid dealing with it in any kind of healthy way. He didn't truly care what was going on with him at work.

Carlos

"way to run from grief and collect a paycheck" is a negative way to spin how it's been said in the show multiple times now "as a way to spare part of himself from having to deal with that pain". You can make the opposite argument by just rephrasing what you said the other way. Especially considering the real Mark doesn't even actually get the relief. It was selfish and also unselfish at the same time.

suzukiri

really good point from sheera about innie mark avoiding helly's "death"

Tejiri Ubiedi

Helly's actress confirmed in an interview that it's Helly, not Helena, who runs off with Mark!

Megan Landro

Listen, I need Ben Stiller to hear this...let my man Milchick finish a fucking dance routine... Severance Season 3 needs to open with a Peacemaker style intro of this man getting sturdy. Make that shit happen.

Carlos

Also I didn't read Helly's look to Gemma as vindictive, it felt like she was, for a brief moment, feeling conflicted about what was happening. She has been struggling throughout the season about her own inability to be separate from who Helena Eagan is to others and embraced that inseparable nature and chose herself over the "right thing"

Megan Landro

I get what you are saying, but Mark literally gave him life and is the only reason he has any of what he has now. Like quite literally everything he has is because of Mark so idk if it's necessarily accurate to say hes done more for him but I get what you are trying to say

suzukiri

that ending really pissed me off. She's an Eagen, shes fine regardless. There's nothing protecting Mark after him having helped Gemma escape. What was the point of her speech and accepting who she is when she gave him the directions if she was just going to turn around and then not encourage him to see it through. Like Mark S, sure I figured he'd hoe himself like a stupid nigga but Helly was insanely disappointing and selfish there. She's safe, what does mark S. think is gonna happen now that he let gemma escape

suzukiri

I get Mark's choice, he wasn't thinking logically, but irrationally and emotionally. He saw the real gemma and felt nothing for her and tried to make himself essentially end his life by following her out, but Helly showed up and he most likely on impulse went to her because wouldn't we all want to spend our last few minutes with the person we love even if we knew we'd "die" either way?

Megan Landro

the plan is innie mark would rather spend 10 more minutes with Helly than blip out of existence as soon as he goes through that door (as far as he knows). Its actually that simple

Tejiri Ubiedi

Yup, they're at the equator of the building

Ghost_Troupe

W SEASON AND FINALE. S3 GOTTA CARRY IT TO THE FINISH LINE.

Delinda Arts

Mark S. pissed me off so bad on the first 2 watches. BUT, with a 3rd watch with y’all, I hate that Mark S. was such a smart ass with this mission. Bc technically he held up his end of the bargain smh. I need Gemma and Devon to link up IMMEDIATELY. Cobel can tag along if she want lol.

Delinda Arts

While I don't agree with iMark, I get it. He held up his end, he got Gemma out to the stairwell. He wants to spend what little time he has left with the people he actually knows and cares about. Bro did more for oMark than oMark ever did for him. That said, he could've at least said SOMETHING to Gemma. Does she even know Mark is Severed himself? I mean she could certainly figure that out, but this is a highly stressful and confusing situation for her.

Carlos

Nah I understand Mark S to a certain point but Helly is the one that disappointed me. Like girl you know nothing bad is going to happen to you while Mark is not safe so if you love him so much try to save me by telling to get tf out!! What do you mean take my hand and run back ?!

Lola

I don’t blame Mark. It sucks yeah but he upheld his end of the bargain by rescuing Gemma and know he is taking whatever semblance of control and personal autonomy he can before he’s caught and his life ends. Like to him outie Mark essentially used him as a way to run from his grief and collect a paycheck and I’m supposed to take your word that shit is gonna be fine if I trust you and the reintegration process? Fuck that.

Aaron Posey

Mark pissed me off in that scene WASTED TIME

Myla Mason

This is really in my top ten of finale episodes of all time. The Marks conversation was unlike anything I've ever seen. The rush of seeing Mark and Gemma finally seeing each other after so long. Marks dilemma while Gemma begs for him to escape. Finally him choosing to stay, OMG, words cannot desricbe the rollercoaster of emotions. Never have I heard such a perfect song for an ending, then transitioning into film, parallel to outie Marks relationship to Gemma also being in film in episode seven. I now have "Windmills of Your Mind" on repeat.

maui

the innie mark in this show ain’t a bitch. he decided he’d rather stay alive with the girl he likes whether it lasts 10 minutes or less

kidnamedfinger10321

Innie Mark's actions make complete sense while also being completely irrational, its what makes it so utterly compelling. He feels he's being used and has been used the entire time by his outie and those in the outer world. He is finally choosing himself, despite what that my mean. On top of that , when he sees Helly all logic goes out the window. LOVE is completely irrational, of course there is no escape, but why does that matter when I can spend my final moments with the person I most love, my reason for existing. He's not thinking of the consequences, all he wants is to live with her.

maui

Please watch top boy y’all are gonna love it

SimSimSalabim

helly and mark have 0 loyalties to gemma, they did what they did for the greater good aka taking lumon down and chose themselves at the end. they don't have a plan and know that they probably don't have a future but still choose their own life which is what this show is entirely about, our innies evolving and fighting for themselves. i also find it fascinating that ppl just take it as is that helly is this selfless martyr that's destined to die anyways so she should just let mark go. she has one of the saddest fates in the show, she can't reintergrate, and bc her dad sees kier in her she will most likely have to sacrifice herself..like she out of all ppl should get the chance to fight for her own life and spend the rest of her time down there with the love of her life.

gee

I feel empty inside I’m so upset at Mark S

CleoKujo

I think people are overreaching when they say it’s Helena at the end because of the look she gave Gemma. I don’t think it’s that kind of look, but you never know with this show

Muse of Salzburg

Why tf is no one talking about the Kier statue voice shifting to what sounds like Kier actually talking to Milchick 😳 Biggest question for S3 is still wtf is the board and in what capacity is Kier still alive and carrying out his will

John Cedar

Innie Mark definitely doesn’t have any plan by staying with Helly, but he’s right to think that if he had left then, all the other innies and maybe himself would die. As far as we know, the purpose of the whole severed floor was to facilitate the tests with Gemma, so what reason would Lumon have to keep them here?

Muse of Salzburg

Omg, I hope it was, I hope while they were working out the finale, he proposed Choreography and Merriment as. marching band, and they all went yea, rightfully so.

maui

I think that's actually Helena at the end. The way she smiled at Gemma before running felt like such a bitch move

13

Eh, I think it was at least ambiguous in regard to whether outie Mark was BSing about promising to finish reintegration. Before they started butting heads with each other I think outie Mark was expressing a genuine interest in doing right by innie Mark (at least what outie Mark believes is doing right).

Theo Vorster

throughout the show we've been shown examples o outtie shit bleeding into innie shit, be it emotions, ideas or events. i feel like the crib in the cold harbor room was them testing for complete and utter separation, hence why the guy mentioned "no emotion" despite gemma having a miscarriage

Tejiri Ubiedi

You can say I like pancakes in this comment section and someone will reply to you asking why you never mentioned waffles ☠️

PetersThimble

1:10:48 Smh, sigh. Mark you bumbling buffoon, omg!

Drake Rage

Milchick's Actor went to jackson state, btw. that whole scene HAD to be his idea

Tejiri Ubiedi

Yeah innie mark is still a kid which adds to his decision at the end, also I think it's implied that outie mark was just BSing about reintegrating and therefore innie mark could kinda tell and didn't trust him, his sister has a line like "well it's kinda true to be fair" in regards to mark initially explaining reintegrating, I think outie mark wouldn't actually reintegrate because he has no reason to if gemma is out and alive, he doesn't see his innie as a person enough to risk the potential health issues/death of reintegrating imo

kringlekrisp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/ben-stiller-on-waiting-three-more-years-for-severance-season-3-definitely-not/ar-AA1Bll5K?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

Spencer

To be fair yeah it is dumb because innie mark is still basically a child, he thinks the reintegration mark was talking about was BS because outie mark honestly was actually spouting BS as confirmed by his sister, he only cares about his wife and not his actual innie even though his innie is the one who let everyone know his wife is actually alive, the actor for mark boiled it down to a choice between living for 10 more minutes, or 10 more seconds with the woman you love or leaving the door and almost certainly straight up dying and never existing again, but I get it, you can understand the innie's motivations and still be mad at him lol

kringlekrisp

Jame Eagan telling Helly R that he sees Kier in her definitely played a role in her actions during that final scene.

Lash

Mark looks so similar to Jame Eagan in this episode...please don't tell me Mark has been unknowingly banging his sister at work

Ghost_Troupe

It’s almost like he isn’t in love with Gemma because he isn’t outie mark. He doesn’t have outie marks memories and therefore doesn’t share the same affections for her. Your other questions get answered in the comment you’re literally replying to. He owes his outie nothing

Danielle

Yall have listen to the audio book by ricken and read the Lumon Letter.

Faye

The show isn’t about oMark getting his wife and living happy ever after. He’s facing the consequences of having brought about a version of himself that experiences slavery, and now that version is affirming their right to life. Gemma is free but his innie has chosen to be with the love of his life for however long that will be.

Danielle

lupa my friends called me crazy for thinking it was daydream at the end, im so glad you said it

em

yea that look "helly" gave at the end was crazy especially after everything she said to him. they probably turned on the glasglow block or some shit after flipping on the alarm and switched her

roach

i mean bro did say he didnt seen Kier in his daughter but in Helly,there IS a reason they had that whole interaction in the first place ,he just might let Helly cook

Xavier Baker

So many people missed the key detail the Innies have fully become self aware and don't want to be "killed" the innie mark has feelings for Helly and vice versa. Helly doesn't want to leave because she knows she stops existing. Emotions is what ruined the main plan which was save Gemma and escape

Tbdovan

Good catch. This might also be the only way Helena goes through with reintegration. The looming threat of her father replacing her with Helly full time

Danielle

I honestly think outie mark had it in the bag with his sales pitch when he was getting real with him until he added “Hey Ms.Cobel told me you like someone down there?”

Caleb Gaming9099

It doesn’t make sense. Helly is NOT like Gemma. There was never gonna be love. Why not leave with Gemma and give your outtie a chance? Waste that for a little more time with this person you’ve known for like a month????

TJ

I wake up extra early to hate on niggas named mark 🫡

Devin reid

He knowingly chose 10 minutes with someone he loves than to not exist with someone he doesn’t. Valid.

Divinerights

yh well ,thats all he knows and as far as he's concerned he kept his end of the deal

Xavier Baker

the fact outtie mark really somehow thought minimizing and degrading innie marks experience would work out well for him shows how tactless he is. which has been a thing the entire show lol

Tejiri Ubiedi

“they give us half a life and think we won’t fight for it” a lottta people need to sit with that for a few minutes

Ron H

Mark s can't even tell the difference between helly r and helana selfish ass dude I get it tho 🤦‍♂️😭

hanzorefrost

YES!! ALSO: the whole point of Mark S.’s existence was to not think about Gemma. To not remember, not even to care for her. So why, in a choice between Gemma and Helly, would he EVER choose Gemma?!

Seth Aasland

Innie Mark probably knew he is more than likely effectively dead if he goes out that door tbh

Solemnity

They only need Gemma to expose Lumon and she's outside now - Cobel and Devon are probably waiting for her by the fire exit, Also I wouldn't be so sure about them exposing Lumon cause apparently they were gonna do that at the start of the season but nothing came of it

bark

helena would never give that speech to the band, you're delusional if you think it was helena

Jaylen

My "crusade" is very pointed, so it does seem to be comprehension lol

Josh

I think you're looking at it from an outie's perspective - it's still his life in the end he doesn't want to just kill himself and abandon Helly and Dylan, Helly even says in this episode 'they give us half a life and think we wont fight for it'

bark

yeah we read it but if its on the watch list then its gonna get watched. if u keep bothering em they usually never listen it just makes ppl in the comments mad

DatKid_Kaneki

My guy it’s got nothing to do with reading comprehension, you are quite literally on a pointless crusade to get shows on the schedule, that are literally already on the to do list. You crusading isn’t gonna make the to-do list go by any faster nor slower. Dark and Mr robot could be first up or they could be last, suck it up butter cup

That guy joe

Milchick dancing has to happen every season, that shit too funny 🤣.

Ayanda Mpofu

Yea that shit was beyond dumb

Z

I think Mark only worked on Gemma's severed personalitys, there has to be a reason that Mark and Gemma specifically were the only refiners to reach Cold Harbour, I think that whoever Dylan and Irving were working on couldn't get as many personalities into one person

bark

the plan is to LIVE. SEASON 3 WE CAMPING ON THE SEVERED FLOOR.

Melon Lord

It’s crazy how so many ppl are missing the point of the show. The show goes out of its way to say that innies are thier own separate person. Yet the audience is mad that mark s won’t kill himself for a stranger he’s never met lol.

Freeofgreed

Damn, i wish they did a parallel with season 1, where innie Mark was helping Helly accept she was not getting out in that very same hallway. Would have been nice to now see Helly helping Mark 'let her go' and make the hard decision of leaving. But oh well. Season was still good.

Kass

Its not a shitty thing at all. He’s his own person. He actually doesn’t owe gemma anything. He barely knows her.

Freeofgreed

Oh brother here go again 🤦🤦🤦🤦

Fizzy

Season 3 we got a whole innie army now. Story gonna change drastically. This shit is about a union fighting back now. Mark take your ass to OT room and permanently flip that switch. Let the revolution begin.

Cam Kaneki

Gemma is literally free.

Danielle

the author should've ended the show right there, with mark being out with gemma. like wtf is the innie mark gonna do? does he actually think they gonna let him live with helly down there? if anything, he's gonna go down where gemma was and gonna get tortured like her. at least outside he will be reintegrated with outie. fucking stupid ass nigga

Joni

You’re the stupid one if you didn’t understand 🤷🏾‍♀️

Danielle

The actress confirmed that it was Helly and Helena

Seany Park

I was so scared the violence and gore warning was because of the goat, thank god it was just for mr. drummond lol i think s3 will focus on the innies rebelling against their outies. it started with helly way back in s1, but helena pretending to be her only added fuel to the fire; then it was irving, then dylan, and at the very end it was mark. something interesting i’ve noticed is that, while helly and innie mark resent their outies (or at least feel negatively about them), irving and dylan sort of came to accept them, which i think was portrayed perfectly with dylan deciding to continue to work and allow his outie to eventually “become” him… that’s my theory at least lol either way s2 was fantastic and i’m super excited for s3!

cami ً

cant wait for season 3 in 2029

While part of it was certainly innie Mark’s distrust of outie Mark at that point, I found it fascinating how Reintegration wasn’t an acceptable compromise for innie Mark. And it’s not like innie and outie Mark could both live on the outside and simply share time in control switching back and forth, as practically as long as Lumon has exclusive control of the technology there is simply no way for innie Mark to exist that’s not dependent on Lumon and its facilities/technologies. So ultimately reintegration is on a practical level the most fair option that could be taken that doesn’t simply snuff one existence out over for the other. And while one can certainly say that innie Mark had no further ethical responsibility to outie Mark once he got Gemma out through the door, his ethical responsibility to Gemma and what he arguably owes her doesn’t just end there. As just like how outie Mark had no idea what innie mark had been going through, innie Mark had no idea what he’d been putting Gemma through, and how he had been creating new innies from her who existed only to be tortured. Gemma is at least owed an explanation, like at the bare minimum Gemma deserved to be informed why Mark wasn’t going through the door, that she wasn’t being abandoned by her actual husband. Even if Gemma later quickly infers (or gets told by Devon and/or Cobel) that Mark is severed and that wasn’t her Mark who turned away from her, the hurt in the moment to Gemma is still unimaginably tragic and real. (also if one wants to get real nit-picky, while getting Gemma through the emergency exit is thematically meant to represent bringing her to safety, one could argue that she is still at risk of being recaptured and that there is still an obligation to see her to further safety but that is a lesser point). Now to be clear, I certainly don't expect innie Mark (and Helly) to make the most ethical/responsible choice in that moment, they aren't saints, and it is understandable that they would make a more selfish choice as part of asserting their own agency over their identities and self-existence, and that's what makes the character writing of the show compelling and engaging.

Theo Vorster

?????????? this show could've ended at peak but they decide to make characters stupid and try to extend the drama?

Joni

Nah its fuck Innie Mark for hoeing and fuck Helly for letting that man do that dumb shit

Z

They’re not repeating the same twist a second time. You have to understand that the circumstances are different. They’re about to cease to exist. They also don’t expect to be there permanently.

Danielle

And also.... Wouldn't Mark be getting in some type of trouble for MURDER💀💀 then they can say anything else he says is a lie because his innie went crazy or something

GojosHoho

Is this worded improperly or you guys have no reading comprehension?

Josh

I know the interview, but I’m holding some cope rn because for me it makes more sense for it to be Helena

Onyekachi Nkenke

Did they confirm it in an interview or something?

Gilthwixt

30:49 Was Milchick channeling one of the 4 tempers: Frolic? LMAO.

Drake Rage

Yeah, both are on the new list.

Mike Besaw

It’s confirmed to be Helly

Prime

I wonder how much outtie Helena likes Mark 🤔 does she like him enough to betray Kier and help Mark 😭😭 this next season is gonna be stressful everything is out

GojosHoho

Because the show is arguing that innies have a right to establish their own personhood and aren’t obligated to their outies. Getting angry with them for not sacrificing themselves again when they already have zero agency is reflecting that you believe they’re not people

Danielle

No I'm with you and it's a popular theory on the subreddit. My friend doesn't agree, he thinks it'd be dumb to use the same "twist" twice, but we lose sight of Helly between her leaving MDR and arriving at the door, and we know they can flip that switch at any time. The look she gave Gemma at the end screamed "yeah bitch he chose me" lmao I don't think that's our Helly.

Gilthwixt

They're cooked idk what innie mark was thinking 😭 they could keep him in there or wipe the chip or something. He should have just left 💀

GojosHoho

That “doing nothing” was his mind being preoccupied with ceasing to exist.

Danielle

Am I the only one that thinks that it was Helena at the end? Helly was always against Mark staying, so for her not to tell Mark to leave made no sense to me. I truly believe that Helly switched into Helena when she went offscreen

Onyekachi Nkenke

It has to be more than 25 Gemmas. There were rooms/files in there that she for sure visited and we know other refiners finished them. iDylan did Tumwater and iMark did 25 other files

Kuro

sleeping gas ?! yeahhh sheera ? LMAOO.

angelic

Hall of fame hoeing right here but S tier show

Michael Kaiser

-In the Mark & Gemma flashback, the box the crib came in has “Cold Harbor”on the side. The “L” is just faded out -Jame Eagan is probably gonna let it rock because he prefers Innie Helly -Milchik’s shoulders could save my life

XORA NICO

I’m surprised not a lot of people mention the fact that Jame prefers Helly to Helena. It’s not too far fetched to say that he’d keep her an innie and Mark with her and that could be season 3

Dallas

exactly. Innie mark doesn't care what is going to happen to himself as long as he is with helly and the other innies.

huncho

tbf the producers wouldn’t spoil something if it’s supposed to be a reveal in the next season , we’re all supposed to believe it’s Helly so they would tell us it’s Helly cause we never saw her switch to Helena, but even Helly herself said Mark needs to go & like Irving said “ Helly was never cruel” she would never let Mark abandon his outtie wife like that while’s she’s at the door screaming for him , Dan Erickson (the executive producer ) told lies last season about stuff that got revealed in season 2 so he wouldn’t spoil anything

Rick

I think helly did that shi because her dad said that he dont fw her daughter so he wont care if she stays down there and gave her the reassurance that she can do whatever she wants with helly body. Well it my guess

Casual

How does that make sense to you?

Adude

By choosing to live out his final moments with the love of his life for a couple minutes? How so? At the end of the day he’s trying to fight DYING. He is not selfish for not wanting to die. Especially after he literally risked his life to get to Gemma. He did the grunt work that was fighting off Mr. Drummond, and Gemma is literally free. They’re not kidnapping her again despite what some ppl think. Be serious

Danielle

I don't think that's true otherwise the show would just end with mark and gemma being reunited. Also this was the only outcome that both outie and innie mark get something. Outie mark's wife has been saved and innie mark is going to face whatever is left of lumon with helly

huncho

idk i be spreading misinformation, Lumon can still burn tho

Ron H

Argue with your mom

Seth Aasland

Mark not fixing Drummond's legs is actually perfect because if the door did close I don't think he'd have any way to open it again.

Gilthwixt

Except, now the innies are the ones who have control of the severed floor with their numbers and the fact they have Milchik surrounded. So it’s not exactly his “last day” at Lumon now, is it? It was only ever going to be his “last day” if they were able to escort him to the elevator and send him back to be his outie. But now there’s no one there *physically* able to get him to leave. And even if Lumon were to retaliate, now they’re in hot shit because Gemma is out, and couple that with the fact that she has Ms. Cobel, one of the worst people (for Lumon that is) to have floating in the wind, considering everything she knows about them, to help her in getting her story/experiences out.

Seth Aasland

I think from innie marks perspective he saved gemma like his outie wanted and now hes choosing to just live with helly no matter what that ends up being like.

huncho

I think ending was justified. Gemma is saved, he completed his mission. With Drummond being dead and new found man power (band and other departments) they are gonna go riot. I don't think Lumon trust everyone to go into the severed floor, so providing security in there will be hard for them. Innies probably don't exit the building and fight for their lives next season

Onat Arık

The issue with what Mark S is doing is that he is doing it knowing that there is no hope for a happy ending for him - basically saying “if I can’t have it nobody can”

Adude

They posted that Mr. Robot is on their to do list. So they will get to it eventually.

Brennan Ireton

I get both sides but at the same time, what kind of life would it be to live as fucking refugees in your own workplace? yall are going to die eventually regardless of the situation which leads me to think they wanted to choose their deaths?

AniyaNii

How does that work?

Adude

producers confirmed it's Helly. It would make no sense if it was Helena anyway. She was not acting like her one bit. And also it would make such a weak story telling using the same twist without any meaning

Onat Arık

nah it was Helly, been confirmed - love is messy

Ron H

he’s not justified when they literally told him that it will be his last day at Lumon regardless once he finishes Cold Harbor… it’s either don’t go with the plan and it be your last day at lumon regardless or go with the plan and trust that your Outtie at least gives you a chance of living past the day

Rick

as someone who was in marching band and had to play in a room with acoustics. it's deafening.

britt

that definitely wasn’t Helly at the end , that was HELENA!! the look she gave to Gemma at the end told it all !

Rick

Wtf are you talking about. Lemon would have been destroyed had he come out with Gemma and exposed them

Anto

BIG BRIENNE IN THIS BITCH! What dude know about shorty? She gave it to the hound, and now she uppin the blicky on Lumons block. W Gwendoline, givin big guys the buisness in every universe XD

Godrick

no Pancakes are far better

MTV

you don't know that

MTV

Day 1 of my campaign to get Mr Robot/Dark on the schedule next.

Josh

Heavy sigh a second show a second bitch ass nigga named mark

Devin reid

no he isn't justified

MTV

WHY?MARK?WHY?🤦🏾‍♂️

Frederick

I thank Kier for that too bc this is far more interesting than any other alternative

Ron H

they can call it Moon Knight

rajames

you spittin - outtie Mark couldn’t even be bothered to remember his innie’s love’s name right, knowing exactly how it made him feel when Helena didn’t get Gemma right. shit is wild

Ron H

“Every time you find yourself here, it’s because you chose to come back.”

Seth Aasland

They filmed the first 6-7 episodes years ago, then after the strike they rethought the season and then rewrote and filmed the last 3. They say that the last episode went in a whole other direction originally, and is also why the season seems to have a weird disjointed feel.

Huemon Nottabear

Fuck Mark S

Bozo

I just want to point out that Cold Harbor in French is wooden crib - may Lumon and everything Lumon loves burn in hell

Ron H

Not Lumon A&T bro what hbcu they done stole and severed these niggas from???? 💀💀💀

Jazz Rivers

that is not a cruel look and it’s not helena

angel

Actually Lupa it was a waffle party not pancakes☝️🤓, waffles are 1000x better than pancakes

That guy joe

I think peoples gut reaction to get angry with innie Mark is proof that he was right to do what he did. Do we see the innies as people or are they beholden to the whims of what their outies want? He was born into a cursed existence doomed to eternal servitude (slavery) because outie mark couldn’t just grieve his wife like a normal person. Sorry it’s a low blow but it’s the truth. I’m fully aware of lumon manipulation and coercion but if he held any strong morals and wasn’t selfish he wouldn’t have done it. Now innie Mark has to commit suicide and end all their lives for his outie who has shown him zero consideration leading up to this? Nah He knows that they’re cooked regardless, but instead of kickstarting his death by walking out that door so his outie can have the happy ever after he chose to live out his final moments with the love of his life. It just sucks that Gemma basically had to witness it. Someone on Twitter pointed out that this was exactly like the cold harbor test.

Danielle

am i not allowed to discuss the interesting question of a long term plan? You're acting like talking about makes it so i dont understand innies marks intentions in the moment

PetersThimble

He was still existing. Also, he spent like a full minute just not doing anything.

BZD

@ 42:28 "I aint even gonna lie Gemma woulda died because i woulda been jamming bro" lmaooooooooooooooooo cmon now Roshi

Chipper

PERIOD

Danielle

His mind was preoccupied with ceasing to exist

Danielle

"The Ballad of Ambrose and Gunnel" is for sure going on the playlist 💀😂

Anon7524

mark had to choose between two lethal face cards

Jaylen

Tbh I don't think Mark S sees long term as a possibility, Lumon can literally switch him and Helly off whenever they want - his only chance of living is either reintegration (which he isn't sure exists) or finding a way to stay on the severed floor forever, Mark S assumes that once Mark and Gemma are out that there isn't a reason for Mark to come back - outie Mark doesn't have a reason to stay in town now that he has Gemma back, he definitely wont want to work for Lumon still and he only reintegrated to save Gemma not Mark S, I think S3 is gonna have Gemma and Devon team up to try get outie Mark back - We also still dont know if Gemma went to Lumon voluntarily or not and the true purpose of Cold Harbour

bark

There’s no long term plan my god. He’s choosing his final moments to be with the love of his life instead of jump starting his death out of obligation for his outie that offered him nothing of value

Danielle

I find the outrage over innie Mark's decision funny because in S1 everyone acknowledged the innies individuality and how fucked up it is to live as an innie. The innies know nothing BUT lumon, THAT is their world, and Mark wants to affirm his identity, that he IS a person with his own experiences and thoughts. You can't make light of his need for what people say "only 10 minutes" (for people saying "what did he think would happen by staying") because he is, from his perception, at death's door and is desperate to live even for a "few more minutes". If you had to look at it another way, ask yourself, would you let go of the rock if you were about to fall off a cliff with your loved ones tethered while climbing and lose all that you had/experienced or would your human instincts take over to desperately try to grasp onto the slither hope of living?

marginalia

All the more reason why it was right for him to do

Danielle

Gemma 💔💔💔💔💔😔😔😔💔💔

halsa

He’d have to scrap with the nurse lady and get her blood lol

Danielle

It’s been established that it is helly by the creators. They’re not doing that again

Danielle

At this point their plan is to just live in the severed floor, after all they said that there are many departments, and some departments probably make food or something, mfs are going to start a resistance and try to live there for all their life

Just Shinji

Yeah the number one thing that makes me sympathize with Innie mark not opening the door. Is that the KNOWS, the second he opens thtat door, he's dead forever. Like it's literally an instantdeath

Ginger Dwarf

My theory is that the innies are going take over the building and try tk survive lol

Themperor

Great ep. We need Gemma to carpet bomb lumon after getting mark out. Also that painting is just everyone innie mark has met. He met the outside people during the otc. I also think the innies are gonna sort of hold the severed floor hostage

MrGuy3000

Anyways I think that mark and helly know their situation is desperate and hopeless but they want more time like helly said. Whether its minutes, hours, days they want more time with each other. And the innie revolution started with that speech from helly to the band members. She said she is going to fight and now that mark S has chosen to fight with her she's willing do everything to preserve their relationship.

Imari

guys she understand what happens. The wife understands they're severed lol.

Themperor

The cruel look at the end was very Helena-ish not Helly-ish

Dante

Stop gaslighting

Jamie

I'm just glad gemma got out. She was going through it. I just hope she stays away and not try to go back in after "her" mark. Now next season lumon is probably going after everyone.

Rissa2003MM

lol what was Mark gonna do if Drummond wasn't there? he'd have no way to get to the testing floor without him

bark

Im aware of that, im talking about the long term plan. Mark wasnt thinking about that at the moment but Im just discussing it.

PetersThimble

its not about having a plan its simply just that...wether its 10 more seconds or minutes they'd rather die in this building than not have a choice in what happens with their lives out there its sad but

angel

damn rooting for slavery is crazy

Ron H

Dylan probably would be the only one who would be truly happy reintegrating.

BZD

The only reason Helena, Dylan and Irving came back to the severed floor was so they could keep Mark working - Mark is the only one working on Gemma and Cold Harbour, If Mark leaves and doesn't come back then Helena doesn't have a reason to come back either - tbh now that Cold Harbour is finished I think they don't have a reason to keep them anyway, maybe they try take away Helly to see if they can recreate Cold Harbour with Helena instead of Gemma

bark

This is the best show ever

Wsgyan

Innie mark is such an L

Deshawn Gorham

I understand what Mark S did but man, I'm so pissed lmao

Natasha

He just wants that extra 10 minutes with her knowing that he and she can disappear at any moment. Just a bit more time and choosing to live the life they have left

wavyesper

He his! But I'd still throw his ass under the bus lmao. I'm saying whatever I need to get my spouse back n then he's as good as dead. And he woulda been dead ANYWAY because they only needed him for cold harbor. That's why he got flung like that because they grew tired of his outbursts and demands and no longer give a shit about him.

Purple Haze

Innie mark is valid though. This is the result of Outtie Mark not listening to himself (innie) and for turning off his brain for 2 years to run away from everything. We want gemma and mark back but.. Innie mark saved gemma because it was the right thing to do. He doesn't owe anything else to outtie mark

wavyesper

btw remember how in a previous episode Jame told Helena he wished shed eat the eggs raw? i rewatched the first season wwhere they mentioned kier favorite breakfast was 3 raw eggs with milk.

I VisiBomb I

Ngl Mark S was asking all the right questions lmao buddy said nah wtf that means exactly? Matter of fact yeah fuck this.

Cozyman Nas

Adam Scott is such a good actor crazy how just a change in facial expression made them look a bit different to me Mark just looked so soft

Kisuke01

My only thing with Innie Mark is what does he think is going to happen with Helly? She IS an Egan and that family will discard him; They discarded Mrs. Cobel, and she invented Severance. Even if he and Helly want to be together: He only exists on that floor and in the birthing cabin. Super excited for s3 because Ms. Cobel is def going to get proven correct. There is no happy ending for them. EDIT: Yall im aware he wanted time with her. That much is obvious. I just think he wasn't thinking long term. Long term is what im talking about...I understand his intent and i would like to discuss the long term plan bc its interesting, idk why that needed to be stated.

PetersThimble

Can’t wait for season 3

PJ Rivera

I can already imagine next season, they go to the police to try and get him out: "Sorry, technically that's Mark S in there, according to the severance clause he isn't legally a person" or some bullshit

WaterYaDune

Bruh i would whoop my ass. I would put me in the goat and make curry.

Garlic

Devon throwing.

BZD

i do like that its not so much of a crazy cliffhanger like season 1 had

Guav

yea im pretty sure its this ^ lol

Guav

Alright. He’s not a bitch. But it was a bitch move.

BZD

Shitty thing to do, but he’s not a bitch

GuntherBv

Late 2026 at the earliest but most likely early 2027

GrandNubian

I thought he confirmed that it WONT be another 3 years lmao.

Spencer

It's because everyone knows there's no "happy ending" for mark and helly lmao. You have an uprising and then when they flip to their outties it's truly a wrap because they'll have no reason to give their innies the reigns ever again. Ik I wouldn't

Purple Haze

Innie Mark a bitch for what he did. At least grab Helly’s hand outside of Gemma’s field of view. You know she’s been held hostage and experimented on for 2 years now man.

BZD

I’m amazed that people spend nearly TWO FULL SEASONS rooting for Mark S and Helly and then turn on them because of ONE EPISODE featuring Gemma. Mark’s outie doesn’t even deserve Gemma - he dealt with his frustration about not having a baby by being cold to her. Mark S freed Gemma - he doesn’t deserve to unalive himself just to please an ungrateful, selfish outie

GrandNubian

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hasnain Khan

She’d just be traumatized and confused I think.

BZD

The parallel between Helena mis naming Gemma and Mark mis naming Helly is incredible. You can tell that mark kinda doesn't think mark S is human by the way he explained his relationship with gemma he lowkey is dehumanizing mark S and his feelings like because "you only have so much life and we have all of it we are more important". So what's wrong with wanting that life why create me if you just take that life away don't I deserve that as much as you they would have argued forever.

Imari

What happens if Gemma reintegrated would she become a superhero

Jamie

Idc what anyone says Innie Mark is 10000000000% justified

Seth Aasland

LMAO i thought abt that but I think apple tv is taking the show more seriously since more ppl are into it thanin 2022

PetersThimble

Yeah, I was furious when I first watched this because we'd seen a glimpse of how Gemma and O.mark were with each other then the innie mark just 'ruined' it. I'm interested to see where this goes because if I was lumon i'm turning on everyone's blocks and then they're all 'dead' for real.

Purple Haze

Gotta acknowledged Seth for that dance, also extremely funny to me is, that the board was in the room like, “aight so mark finna hit 100% soon wich is a super important step to our historic research about the human brain and when he does i want my boy Seth to do a fire ass dance”………. And Seth was wit it 😂 niggah milchick looked at These two severd confused freaks and said “watch me slide around you bums” 🕺🏿🙏🏿 fire Finale fire reaction, thanks for the content.

Louis

cuz it will be 5

Jaylen

Ben stiller confirmed s3 comes out in 3 years

Jamie

Season 3 has been confirmed (unfortunately with no release date) but they said it wont be another 3 years~

PetersThimble

So.... the only other time Helly did the "rally the innies" shit was when it was actually Helena.... 👀

Tejiri Ubiedi

Battle of the Bands type sh*t 🕺

HBK713🏄🏾‍♂️

Was I the only one that busted out laughing when Milchik just took off and started running in the room with Dylan? It was so unexpected I got caught off guard and couldn't stop laughing for like 20 minutes

Kwaku Afari

HBD homie 🎉🎉🎉

HBK713🏄🏾‍♂️

Angel speaks for us all

Jamie

Well, time to do a 3rd rewatch!

Raymond Terry

roshi don’t read the western/live action hangout chat we didn’t mean anything we said we love you

angel

I was waiting on Robo Kier to drop that Hard R, or at least an "uppity"

Tejiri Ubiedi

That's a hilarious frame for the thumbnail

Sare

What took you so long

Jamie

BROTHER MILCHICK WAS KILLIN THAT SHIT

Tejiri Ubiedi

Perfect birthday present 🙏

Asiallysia

What an episode amazing

Nicholas milla

Omg yes

Joe

Amen hallelujah 🙌🏾🙌🏾

GojosHoho

YESSSSS

YESSSLAWDDDD

halsa

WE ARE HERE

halsa

HERE

halsa


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