yaboyroshi / Invincible 3x3

Also, the immortal threw that one dude into space in the beginning. Killing him. He was casual with it too.

neoplansc

2025-02-26 23:13:04 +0000 UTC

the point isn’t that those guys didn’t deserve to die, it’s placing boundaries on them so they can’t arbitrarily decide to kill because they deem someone deserves death. Of all people i expected roshi to be aware of that since he was so pro cecil in the previous ep

suzukiri

2025-02-26 19:34:47 +0000 UTC

It’s not really about the Mauler Twins deserving to die, it’s about teaching Oliver he can’t just kill people he deems a bad guy. He’s too young to be able to differentiate that yet. Sure the twins deserved it, but teaching a 9 year old with superpowers about empathy is probably important. Oliver’s not a regular superhero, he’s a toddler with a gun

Kuro

2025-02-26 03:02:05 +0000 UTC

many of the changes from the comic into the show just makes it ACTUALLY realistic as a depiction of human beings and their emotions lol

Kale

2025-02-26 00:13:30 +0000 UTC

Shera you smart af but have such childish approach killing lmao. No long term thinking at all that hey if this 9 year Viltrimite has 0 hesitation killing anyone he deems a "bad guy", what's he going to do when he's growing up as the most powerful being in the Galaxy. Also he's supposed to be a hero not a solider, so he's supposed to save lives, but all he associates being a hero with is killing villians....

TheWhiteWolf

2025-02-25 23:01:40 +0000 UTC

Comic version on top for how the relationship started lol - I still prefer the comic when she barges into his room and says "Mark I heard you're single, we dating or what?!!!!"

ShaquanVirse

2025-02-25 14:22:28 +0000 UTC

The missile was just an emp aimed at communication satellites so they could make people pay for theirs instead. Plus they used a paralyze beam and killed no one to launch it.

David Washington

2025-02-25 13:10:00 +0000 UTC

for one, ur philosophy is weaponizing a child by the way, and for two he wouldn't murder the innocent directly but lets say there's a petty theft, something small, or a crime that was framed onto someone else. Do you really think Oliver is gonna ask questions or have a nuanced moral compass? No he is going to kill them because he believes they are bad/evil

Lin Fei

2025-02-25 11:39:37 +0000 UTC

Which lives have the Maulers taken besides their own?

Vextipher

2025-02-25 10:49:13 +0000 UTC

Nah, mauler twins were not as bad as yall making them. The gun doesn’t kill them it paralyzes them. They wasn’t killing so they shouldn’t kill.

Jay Johnson

2025-02-25 09:28:11 +0000 UTC

The only person comparing them is you rn kiddo. Take your own advise the world isn't black and white.

Austin Police

2025-02-25 07:54:45 +0000 UTC

"1. Yes, the Mauler twins have killed before. They said this episode they don't typically kill children" Then said right after "but there here's a first time for everything" like come on man. Each scene they are played up worse than the are. Point 2. I'd be inclined to say so but it didn't happen. Attempted murder? I could believe it. But just as much as other characters hold back (a theme of the show), and Maulers having shown restraint too, could definitely not be a killing blow. "did they not kill two ppl in the first scene they returned in" If talking about this episode then no. They used their stun gun, the same they used on the GOTG. Even Kate who's as durable as a regular person (if not squishier). This is why the comment is made, because people aren't paying attention. 4-5 bodies of whom? Themselves? If you want to be technical then yes they kill themselves, the bad guys, so even better. ",yall need to stop defending these 'fun' villains" You must be getting the wrong impression as all I'm trying to point out are the incorrect claims. You're shifting the discussion over to a different aspect.

Vextipher

2025-02-25 07:52:15 +0000 UTC

Chuzo shut the hell up. It wouldn't even fit her character to have a guy abuse her

-

2025-02-25 05:38:26 +0000 UTC

This entire discussion is why there is a court and a justice system in place, to prevent individuals acting out of passion and taking justice into their own hands, its like you guys want to call yourselves functioning members of society but refuse to let one of the longest standing aspects of a society do its thing. Like??

Nangaki

2025-02-25 04:46:22 +0000 UTC

so yall saying he cant be taught,thats what it sounds like ,immediate condemnation is no good my friend,after all he's a kid right

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:18:10 +0000 UTC

thats fair but at the same time i think any being can differentiate a shoplifter from a rapist

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:17:13 +0000 UTC

aha but theres the caveat ,yall have to add so much other circumstances to push this idea,he has a Mark,A Debbie to teach him a code,it can be steered and remember he's just a kid so he can learn as well,or should he be treated like a villain and be put in jail for his crimes since he took lives,see what it sounds like ,when you condemn someone because they did something you didnt like you can also be a tyrant

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:15:47 +0000 UTC

lol one thing I like about invincible is that they change they way Superhero’s are, later down in the story supes will kill more

Jovian Beato

2025-02-25 04:15:06 +0000 UTC

thats crazyyyyy,so when Joker gives up to Batman after shooting a family including their dog through the mouth its aight,kl kl

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:12:27 +0000 UTC

he draws the line when he's taught the Mauler Twins arent the same as a shoplifter ,remember hes still just a kid

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:11:18 +0000 UTC

we're not denying that thought my guy but why are behaving like Oliver cannot be taught and will be stuck in his ways,give him the same grace yall use with him being a child so he shouldnt kill ,keep that same energy with the thought he can be taught and is still growing ,the world isnt black and white man

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:09:49 +0000 UTC

so im going to treat the Joker or better yet an irl example ,A child rapist the same as a shoplifter ,when does the black and white filter come off yall lenses cause this shit is getting ridiculous

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:07:25 +0000 UTC

im not following ,Viltrumites get stronger with age no?how is that a disadvantage ,the only thing i can think off his constantly adjusting to his growing strength and speed but keeping up with his training should alleviate any of that

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:06:00 +0000 UTC

my thing is we always have this energy looking from the outside in ,but the moment it gets personal its different,the perfect example of this hypocrisy is gonna come up either by the end of this season or the next one

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:04:06 +0000 UTC

so......if i stun gun the president i should get a comfy cell right?the logic here is fucking crazy

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:01:57 +0000 UTC

so if your sister was raped you wouldnt catch a body ,we gotta stop acting like the world is black and white,there is a reason different crimes have different punishments ,there's levels to it,why on God' green earth would you treat a shoplifter the same as someone who literally raped and traumatized someone for the rest of their lives if the rapist didnt kill the victim ,yall need to get yall heads out your asses

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 04:00:50 +0000 UTC

thats fair and this is where a code is put in place ,better to steer it than let it run rampant

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:56:15 +0000 UTC

but why is it that catching one body pushes them off the deep end ,why is it when thy have a code as 'heroes' they cant keep the same energy when they do start catching bodies,we gotta stop this nonsense that if you get rid of true pure evil that means your gonna kill every liquor store bandit ,it doesnt work like that ,and if Oliver is like that we have a Superpowered Dexter that can be taught a code and he WONT have to keep anything a secret either so no innocents will have to be caught up either ,but it comes to a point where under your watch as a hero a villain gets away with some shit with a slap on the wrist while families are viciously torn apart and property damage is sky high affecting the livelihood of the innocent ,because its all fun and games and morals till your own family gets caught up in the nonsense then there is a code switch

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:54:48 +0000 UTC

But my argument again is the heroes shouldn’t be responsible for putting the villains down, it should be the law and the government. Either that or make a more secure super-prison were they can’t escape. It’s more of a good vs evil morality argument than what’s actually logical. I somewhat believe certain villains need the death penalty, which I never understood why in comics they just put them in prison and then they break out. That’s my only issue. But people will die that’s life.

Seth-San

2025-02-25 03:53:04 +0000 UTC

and the Eldians still got wiped out ,shit be tough out here man

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:48:40 +0000 UTC

how true is this information?ion know,they were willing to beat on a kid and repetitively clone themselves and KILLING THEMSELVES BTW when they dont like the original,so aye if that is the case thats too bad,they couldve done that shit with title Hero in the names,is what it is man ,fucked around and found out

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:46:55 +0000 UTC

but its very telling that it took a child to do it huh, kids take complex things and makes them very simple

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:44:55 +0000 UTC

i think the problem isnt that he doesnt per se since clearly he just said he did by saying he cared for Debbie,but in his mind why allow the bad guys to play the same movie on repeat when you can destroy the disk and stop it permanently ,sure its not the most healthy logic but neither are the villains that just need to go

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:43:51 +0000 UTC

they are still serial killers,why are we just skipping past the fact they have gotten ppl hurt and worse killed,who gives af what they did with the warhead,you think if i kidnapped the president of the united states they wouldn't put me in the ground?

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:41:07 +0000 UTC

this is my thing,the term hero is relative ,to some thats Superman and to some thats Jason Todd,we see what the government does,they take the villains,use them for Task Force X and then if the plot determines RELEASES THEM BACK INTO THE WORLD and guess what the good ole villains do ,either take a contract that you and your family end up getting caught in or choose you to be the next subject of their games with the 'heroes' ,PUT THEM NIGGAS DOWN

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:39:25 +0000 UTC

def not considering she's black now i can already see the cancel culture avoidance team pulling up. But who knows lol

Chuzo

2025-02-25 03:36:35 +0000 UTC

he didnt

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:36:04 +0000 UTC

did they not kill two ppl in the first scene they returned in?and who cares what they did to the Warhead in the first place ,and they literally have more than 4-5 bodies that if im not mistaken means your a serial killer,yall need to stop defending these 'fun' villains because when they get you car totaled,house destroyed and your family injured if not killed its not so funny anymore is it

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:35:04 +0000 UTC

huh?what are you talking about?

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:31:05 +0000 UTC

that's valid,but I think at some point we just gotta accept their will be ppl like that in this world,why not steer them in the direction of the bad guys who deserve it

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:30:15 +0000 UTC

then he needs to pack them up then,or become a lawyer or some shit

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:28:41 +0000 UTC

huh

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:27:39 +0000 UTC

he's talking out of his ass bro,his favored murderers got their shit caved in and he's throwing a hissy fit as if the Mauler Twins werent pyschos as well,they launched NUKE that with the size of the explosion wouldve wiped North America of the face of the planet ,he's so blind and dumb its actually hilarious

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 03:27:05 +0000 UTC

They already said they’re not doing it cause it would defeat all the growth they’ve put towards the character

Ian Hover

2025-02-25 03:22:30 +0000 UTC

OLIVER WAS NOT SORRY AT ALL 😭

Kane

2025-02-25 02:20:05 +0000 UTC

you are right ,but on the flipside in this type of world ,bad guys gotta get gone ,we can treat him like a Dexter ,steer him into the trash of society,why is it that you think he'll just murder innocents because he thinks packing up the villains is alright

Xavier Baker

2025-02-25 02:17:18 +0000 UTC

@quxntum You can say that the first one was an accident, but you cannot say with a straight face that him killing the second Mauler twin was a mistake. He purposely did that.

Matthew Tigue

2025-02-25 00:38:07 +0000 UTC

I wonder if they gonna show ambers bad decision making in men lmao.

Infinity

2025-02-25 00:33:41 +0000 UTC

Gmac they were not going to stone-age people. They even said they were taking out satellites so people would have to pay for the Maulers service instead. You can't do that if you EMP them to the stone age.

Matthew Tigue

2025-02-25 00:25:24 +0000 UTC

Why would Mark or Oliver know that?

CentipedeKid

2025-02-24 23:34:18 +0000 UTC

It wouldn't have. They said the only thing they were trying to do was destroy Earth's communication system so they can have a monopoly on it. They weren't going to kill anyone

Robert Smith

2025-02-24 23:33:45 +0000 UTC

None of you deserve super powers 😂

Q

2025-02-24 22:11:07 +0000 UTC

How yall condoning a 9 yr old catching bodies and not having any remorse about it? If he is so nonchalant about murdering now, how would he be when he gets to Mark’s age or gets to Omni Man’s age? He already started to view life as inconsequential… if he keeps thinking like that, he’ll become a mass murderer in a less than a year lol

Mack

2025-02-24 21:18:24 +0000 UTC

She talks to fucking much

Damarcus Miller

2025-02-24 13:50:20 +0000 UTC

I think its funny the only character we’ve seen that has Roshi’s outlook is a whole ass child lmaoo

Z

2025-02-24 10:47:29 +0000 UTC

You are just plain wrong. Ofcourse he needs some guidance when it comes to understanding the value of human lives, but they are not helping if they want to act as though the lives of literal murderers and others who pose an EXISTENTIAL THREAT to humanity should be considered the same as the life of an innocent or loved one

Anatoly

2025-02-24 10:05:24 +0000 UTC

You'd react the same way and it would still be the wrong way to react

Anatoly

2025-02-24 10:02:51 +0000 UTC

I'm so sad we lost the Maulers, they were unironically one of my favorite parts of Invincible plus RTJ is literally their soundtrack....So cool

Karabo

2025-02-24 08:41:59 +0000 UTC

Fr people are wild lmfao it is crazy

Luke Barnes

2025-02-24 06:54:32 +0000 UTC

1. Yes, the Mauler twins have killed before. They said this episode they don't typically kill children 2. The Maulers were going to murder a security guard in S1 EP 1.

-

2025-02-24 06:10:02 +0000 UTC

Omni man the goat. He should have conquered the humans

-

2025-02-24 06:07:53 +0000 UTC

I know you hate it Roshi but I think you were reading situation wrong when Oliver and mark were in the guy after Oliver killed them. Like his lil bro is covered in blood n he’s like 9 years old or some shit it’s pretty crazy. Shit I’d react the same way of my lil bro ran threw some dudes lmao

Ken

2025-02-23 23:45:53 +0000 UTC

welp fuck the subtitles for spoiling it i guess... Also another reason to know it wouldn't be Cecil. Cecil wouldn't let the thing blow up so close to Debbie especially since he knows how ineffective it would be

Dude559

2025-02-23 23:36:54 +0000 UTC

Why we rooting for Oliver? the little shit is psychotic. He murdered the Mauler twins in cold blood and then has the audacity to pull an act. Mauler twins better come back somehow cuzz i love these guys. Also fuck Oliver. But also Mark for not controlling the little shite more Also no Sheera, yes Oliver was upset but not for killing the maulers, he doesn't respect life in whatever capacity. And if that doesn't get corrected then he will just be very careless and callous about throwing lives away. Heck i get the point of like "some people are to much a menace and they need to be dealt with" but with Olivers mentality he will never be able to judge who those people are and will just kill whoever he can get his hands on. THAT is why he is already saying weird outlandish shit because so far he has had no reason to believe otherwise until his dumbass actions get someone killed.

Dude559

2025-02-23 23:06:50 +0000 UTC

If person a kills people and has no intent on stopping that, person a needs to be put down.

PolarToni

2025-02-23 22:00:23 +0000 UTC

They literally said that the whole goal of that was to show the president that he's not untouchable. Kinda defeats the purpose of showing something to someone if you kill them

Sunny

2025-02-23 21:04:03 +0000 UTC

Oliver in the comics questions Mark's viewpoint because he points out how chaotic and selfish humans are, to the point that he doesn't even like them. He doesn't like that they war over petty stuff and that Mark is quick to say he shouldn't put down threats like the Mauler's, when it's 100% obvious how dangerous they really are.

MidastheStallion

2025-02-23 20:53:28 +0000 UTC

My issue with Batman will never be that he doesn't kill people. He's the one who'd have to live with the PTSD of killing someone. if he doesn't want to deal with those mental issues, then that's his prerogative. My issue with Batman is that he stops other people who WILL do it.

MidastheStallion

2025-02-23 20:50:30 +0000 UTC

I mean he's threatening to kill a child & was beating him till he was bruised & bleeding, but I get it. I'm surprised none of them caught he was lying. Like, he blew through a guy & didn't care about it at all. He wasn't sorry until his brother started getting mad at him. Compare that to Mark killing Angstrom.

Kinkaz

2025-02-23 19:09:35 +0000 UTC

It starts to be a bit his fault when you've been giving him to the same justice system knowing it's going to fail again. But batman at least has a reason to not do it, Mark doesn't really.

Kinkaz

2025-02-23 18:46:59 +0000 UTC

Granted if we got a incredible 3, some years would of had to pass, meaning could be the first time we get an older mr and mrs incredible, an adult Violet, teen Dash, and an kindergarten age Jack Jack.

RowdyCloudy

2025-02-23 18:30:47 +0000 UTC

super late, but they cut out mark agreeing with oliver about omni-man, he says sometimes afterwards

itsfidy

2025-02-23 16:35:33 +0000 UTC

They were so fun!

Sam

2025-02-23 14:47:35 +0000 UTC

I love you guys but these were some L takes lol

Freeofgreed

2025-02-23 08:44:13 +0000 UTC

Not Batman's fault Gotham has a shit justice system.

Dtox 555

2025-02-23 06:18:06 +0000 UTC

This is why there needs to be an incredible 3. Oliver is the equivalent of Jack Jack, then imagine a young evil jack jack and the family has to stop him.

Richard

2025-02-23 05:43:38 +0000 UTC

they literally said the missile was an EMP that would’ve knocked out the satellite defense system so they could replace it with their own that people would have to pay for. there was a whole joke about them being businessmen and that being more evil than being a supervillain. what show were you watching

zulu

2025-02-23 05:41:41 +0000 UTC

"Where you'll get a meal" lmao damn sheera 😂

A. P.

2025-02-23 05:35:24 +0000 UTC

I know Mark is tryna be the white knight and his "no kill" rule is totally valid but sometimes niggas gotta die b 😤 Mark acting like Batman, who continuously allows Joker to escape and hurt/kill people instead of killing him.

Corey Leach

2025-02-23 04:25:59 +0000 UTC

nah blue and yellow was ass

DxShadow

2025-02-23 02:34:03 +0000 UTC

bro its an animated show, calm tf down lol ^

DxShadow

2025-02-23 02:32:24 +0000 UTC

The government literally can't be trusted to kill people, there is always a chance innocent people end up dead. Also it costs way more to kill criminals then it does to just lock them up for life

RoseMetal

2025-02-23 00:56:39 +0000 UTC

Nah, thinking murder is justice especially in that way is just gross

RoseMetal

2025-02-23 00:55:03 +0000 UTC

The maulers did keep coming back but I liked them ngl kinda sad to see them go

Shawn Oxley

2025-02-22 23:35:11 +0000 UTC

Not only that, I usually understand the "take out the villains by any means necessary" argument for normal people, but these are SUPERHUMANS. They HAVE to develop the most solid moral principles or they could just crash out and eliminate the whole earth in some cases. I can't even fathom how our current world would treat the emergence of superheroes because something tells me it'd be quite horrible.

TheDroppedFry

2025-02-22 23:18:02 +0000 UTC

Pretty sure he just doesn’t want him growing up with the viltrumite mentality like his dad

Tabbs

2025-02-22 22:06:46 +0000 UTC

God forbid an older brother is concerned that his younger brother nonchalantly kills 2 people and starts sounding like a full blown viltrumite

Tabbs

2025-02-22 22:04:50 +0000 UTC

😂

Kumi Chan

2025-02-22 20:11:24 +0000 UTC

sheera is annoying the shit outta me

vash_yy

2025-02-22 20:09:59 +0000 UTC

I can understand the sentiment Mark and his mother have regarding life. I feel Oliver is still misguided because he grew up with his dad and hadn't seen what he did to Earth like his family has, not just as a plot point to prove life is sacred. He is just another unique viltrumite perspective.

Matrim Hall

2025-02-22 19:48:00 +0000 UTC

Nah definitely, like I said I get both sides of it.

Wolf

2025-02-22 19:30:28 +0000 UTC

Man Cecil should just train Oliver to be the savior of the world I’d definitely be a vigilante hero if I had powers😂

Kalaysia

2025-02-22 19:28:52 +0000 UTC

I can agree with that, but the government needs to be responsible for it not the heroes

Seth-San

2025-02-22 17:36:05 +0000 UTC

The missile wasn’t going to kill anyone lmao

David Washington

2025-02-22 17:08:11 +0000 UTC

Bro they need the death penalty at some point. They can’t be rehabilitated. They get locked up, escape, kill people and repeat

Nesko_Pie

2025-02-22 14:58:02 +0000 UTC

I wanted to hold off in case I was thinking of another conversation they had which hasn't happened yet, so just keep an eye out. Oliver is cooking he's not just being a little kid 🙏🏾

Cozyman Nas

2025-02-22 14:50:41 +0000 UTC

Then you’d just be called a vigilante because you’re trying to take the “law” into your own hands. That’s why although logically it doesn’t make sense, It also morally defines what being an actual superhero means and comic books and animated comic book movies have already showcased what happens when you cross that line. Superman kills the joker like you wanted, then he goes around murdering anyone who disagrees with his sense of justice in that alternate universe. And that’s why there needs to be a line.

Seth-San

2025-02-22 14:47:50 +0000 UTC

"Now you go to jail, where you get a meal :D" Sheera i cant keep defending you like this 😂

LJ

2025-02-22 13:59:24 +0000 UTC

Wrong.

Vextipher

2025-02-22 13:49:59 +0000 UTC

Also I agree with both of you that Oliver should have a bit more compassion for human life all things considered

Daylen

2025-02-22 13:48:49 +0000 UTC

Oliver hasn’t even been alive a year yet and he lived on thraxan for almost 2 months before coming to earth and even as an infant it’s been shown he’s cognitively more aware

Daylen

2025-02-22 13:43:13 +0000 UTC

Cecil get on my nerves. There's no therapy wing?? 😭😭They need to get on that yesterday

GojosHoho

2025-02-22 13:42:07 +0000 UTC

Because they are married.

GojosHoho

2025-02-22 13:39:27 +0000 UTC

Voice to type does not care what I was talking about 💀💀

GojosHoho

2025-02-22 13:23:47 +0000 UTC

as usual

shaheed patterson

2025-02-22 12:36:04 +0000 UTC

Based take here finally. Cecil just doing his job on government turf, that's on Mark/Graysons for involving themselves.

Vextipher

2025-02-22 11:38:11 +0000 UTC

I hate how overused this word is now, but the literacy for this episode is not there. The Mauler Twins are always played up for being dangerous, they haven't killed anyone and talk big but y'all treating them like mass murderers. The missile, if you paid attention they removed the warhead/nuke part and made it an EMP, was directed at a communications satellite, not at people, and Immortal's reaction was warranted. Oliver is becoming Omniman the sequel and should not be killing people if he can't listen and understand, each scene he ignores anything he's told and even here lies purposely to killing in cold blood then goes "oops accident", like come on y'all. If you decide to act like villains then you won't be seen as a hero.

Vextipher

2025-02-22 11:30:40 +0000 UTC

He was raised on earth his whole life bro lmao he was on that other planet for like 5 minutes

Z

2025-02-22 11:17:48 +0000 UTC

Yeah but there's absolutely some villians the NEED to be killed without a trial. The reason why I hate batman is bc Joker should've been dead. Dude is a sicko but batman keeps throwing him in jail just to get out and do something worse. If it's clear as day that some villians need to be killed without trial then all that other stuff is irrelevant.

Sean Mccrimmon

2025-02-22 10:48:14 +0000 UTC

Sheera the only logical one here

AkeilRose

2025-02-22 09:28:34 +0000 UTC

😂

Joshua Shores

2025-02-22 07:55:21 +0000 UTC

Immortal never even said why did you kill them all he said was "you… child" the man was absolutely stunned seeing a kid do that. I don’t think he gave two fucks about the mauler twins at that point

Joshua Burns

2025-02-22 07:45:00 +0000 UTC

NO! He's not Judge Judy and Executioner!

Matthew Barrett

2025-02-22 06:54:41 +0000 UTC

There HAS to be a moral high ground between Superheroes and Villains. Yes logically killing the supervillains will “save lives” but your no different than the villains doing the killing if you decide who lives and dies. Also Oliver is a child, if mark and Debbie didn’t confront and teach him, it’ll be like brightburn’s ending. So yes yal may not agree with comic book logic, but that’s what separates good vs evil. If anything the government needs to do the death penalty for supervillains and have at least a trial imo.

Seth-San

2025-02-22 06:06:45 +0000 UTC

The dude is like 4 months old. The fact that he's even remotely empathetic at all is a miracle. Learn context.

Chimpman

2025-02-22 05:58:12 +0000 UTC

@Jazko Bro, literally no one is making the argument that the countermeasures were a bad decision. It's the fact that he used them because Mark was angry and Cecil needed to feel like he was in control. The fact that yall keep acting like people are mad that the countermeasures exist kinda shows that you know Cecil was wrong in how he went about it. You're attacking a strawman.

Chimpman

2025-02-22 05:53:47 +0000 UTC

Exactly it's not the same thing. But you are missing one crucial thing. You are thinking from a viewer perspective and somebody that understands mercy. That's not how Oliver sees it in that moment. In his eyes all criminals are the same. He would have killed the bank robbers simply because they are "bad guys". Oliver killing the twins is not really the issue. It's the reason behind why he did it. People seriously take murder to lightly and do not understand what taking a life can mentally do to your mind. I don't understand how you people don't see why it's terrifying for a super-powered individual to have the mindset of a murderer

Ichigoat

2025-02-22 05:43:03 +0000 UTC

Jeans is crazy fam

BaboGG

2025-02-22 05:33:38 +0000 UTC

That is not the same thing two people who rob a bank and don’t kill people is not the same as two mass murderers planning to murder on a global scale. It is not the same at all, and I hate that this is brought up as a point against the killing rule, it’s stupid.

Beasty

2025-02-22 05:22:48 +0000 UTC

They’ve been on like a couple dates, it’s not that crazy that Mark’s upset that she told Paul.

PersonaFyde

2025-02-22 04:49:02 +0000 UTC

@momo i screenshotted the comic page: https://imgur.com/a/M2p11LK

John Cedar

2025-02-22 04:34:14 +0000 UTC

Oliver should have just stayed his ass at home. Too young to be out there doing that shit

Anthony Lazarin

2025-02-22 04:22:16 +0000 UTC

i agree with you, but it is a little strange that he was raised human and still has this perspective. He isn’t human by blood, but psychologically it would make sense for him to be more human than vultumite or bug.

ab

2025-02-22 03:48:08 +0000 UTC

Immortal was tripping they had to die like y’all were knocked out and they launched a missile that would have killed thousands I stand with Oliver

Reckless Company

2025-02-22 02:45:30 +0000 UTC

I am sick of the superhero shows not talking about capital punishment. Superheroes and their No Killing rules are so played out at this point, and the arguments are annoying, boring and repetitive. I’d rather hear about why the GDA doesn’t execute all its prisoners it has since they have so many super powered ones. They give a slight reasoning as to why they might not be doing that with the “rehabilitation” but I have a feeling it’s not gonna be explored as much as Mark’s no killing rule.

Cameron Robinson

2025-02-22 02:18:08 +0000 UTC

I stand with Oliver and Roshi.

Jordan Postle

2025-02-22 02:05:28 +0000 UTC

Not feeling invinciboys suit ngl, bring back the blue and yellow

User10101

2025-02-22 02:02:09 +0000 UTC

business super villains are real unfortunately

TylerMarrkabb

2025-02-22 01:58:14 +0000 UTC

D Fud brodie its a show but media is art and art reflects life. Your opinions on certain stories does reflect on your ethics and morals one way or another. If you come out here saying you love homelander and he never did anything wrong Ima look at you weird, it don't matter that it's a show

BSteppa

2025-02-22 01:41:11 +0000 UTC

Steezo considering this whole topic is about kids, no, I can't. I consider the kids in my life when I consider my opinions on this too. They literally cheering Oliver on killing people when he is a little boy who is impressionable and still learning about morals and ethics. If Oliver is taught it was okay to kill the Maulers because they were bad, he grows up thinking whoever he decides is bad gets to die. The whole point is that we do not get to decide that. Especially when you have the powers he does.

BSteppa

2025-02-22 01:40:03 +0000 UTC

Y'all decided to match today

User10101

2025-02-22 01:37:07 +0000 UTC

If I was Oliver I would have gone with Kidvincible. Also, I think it's his Thraxan DNA that makes him think that way since they don't live long lives.

Tempest2000

2025-02-22 01:05:03 +0000 UTC

this is not to justify oliver being cool with killing people buut I feel like people are forgetting this kid is not human at all lmaoo he's half viltrimite/ half bug so to him humans ain't shit besides debbie

Daylen

2025-02-22 00:31:38 +0000 UTC

Im confused, how is the concept of a child not being mature enough to process killing someone but having the power to murder people at will not just understood as concerning? The Batman debate is great, but not for a 12 year olds brain, hence why he shouldn’t be acting like a superhero as a child 😭 them 2 needed to be handled yes, but not by a child

Justin Neason

2025-02-21 23:40:44 +0000 UTC

Lupas obsession with low diff is killing me

Jjb

2025-02-21 23:00:12 +0000 UTC

Congrats bud

Kamron

2025-02-21 22:40:47 +0000 UTC

Those two soldiers definitely didn't die. And at least in the show, not a single regular human has actually died at the hands of the Mauler twins. They talk about killing people, but they only ever injured people during fights.

Jordan Pendergrass

2025-02-21 21:51:25 +0000 UTC

Wonder how you feel now having watched episode 5

Ejay 火

2025-02-21 21:45:08 +0000 UTC

Tell me it's not even about the fact that he killed the twin demons it's the fact that they literally has no self-control or consideration for other people's lives 😐 the Omni man genes are very strong in him

GojosHoho

2025-02-21 21:13:15 +0000 UTC

But If Cecil decides to make countermeasures against Oliver he’s in the wrong😔😔

Jazko

2025-02-21 20:59:54 +0000 UTC

Even after everything Mark has done to him, Cecil is still showing Mark and his family the utmost respect.

Jazko

2025-02-21 20:57:08 +0000 UTC

Shera is so right this entire episode Mark is pissing me off

Myla Mason

2025-02-21 20:16:14 +0000 UTC

You're literally rage baiting right now

One & Only

2025-02-21 20:12:03 +0000 UTC

What happens when people making their own decisions results in innocent people dying? What's stopping Oliver from killing anyone he doesn't like because he deems them insignificant because "They aren't special? This contrarian mindset some of you have doesn't work when you actually think about what you're asking for.

Jaden Coleman

2025-02-21 19:46:29 +0000 UTC

The point is that at no point did Oliver consider that. He was just angry

Jake Young

2025-02-21 19:46:19 +0000 UTC

The problem is that Oliver is a kid so if you tell him that it’s okay to kill certain people then who knows what his standard for killing would be, we already saw that he’s obviously not gonna follow directions😂

General Grevious

2025-02-21 19:42:28 +0000 UTC

I mean I dont think I like the idea of a superpowered kid deciding he gets to kill whoever he sees as a bad guy... its the fact that he doesnt give a fuck AND hes lying. The first death was an accident, the second one was after he was begging for mercy... Also. Roshi saying the show switched it up when they just followed the logical conclusion of why should it matter if I killed them? Oliver didnt decide to do it because of some greater good argument. He killed them because he was mad Like it reminds me if the AOT where Roshi was all for the Rumbling until he saw what actually happens when its carried out. Like the end result of a powered kid who doesnt care about lives IS someone like Omniman

Jake Young

2025-02-21 19:34:37 +0000 UTC

JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONER

Kumi Chan

2025-02-21 18:07:44 +0000 UTC

Just so you know, EMP means Electromagnetic pulse, which disables electronics. It doesn’t kill anyone

Kumi Chan

2025-02-21 18:06:12 +0000 UTC

Let’s not forget that Oliver saw Mark potentially killing Cecil as no big deal like last episode. I don’t think anyone cares that the Mauler twins are dead specifically, the problem is how easily and willing Oliver is to kill. He’s a child with no concept of the importance of life who could have EASILY become another Omni-man without that conversation at the end. Imo

Kenny Ace

2025-02-21 18:05:31 +0000 UTC

do that nigga like kakyoin

JotaroDrake

2025-02-21 18:01:40 +0000 UTC

yea go head n kill oliver

JotaroDrake

2025-02-21 18:01:10 +0000 UTC

Immortal body lil

JotaroDrake

2025-02-21 17:54:30 +0000 UTC

36:47 roshi his whole nervous system got fried the fact that hes even standing is crazy

JotaroDrake

2025-02-21 17:54:17 +0000 UTC

Yeah but that's the start first you rob someone than that rush hits what's next rob a bank and than you kill somebody it's a cycle

Kisuke01

2025-02-21 17:40:10 +0000 UTC

Immortal acting like we didn't see him throw a man into space in episode 1. I don't want Oliver to be killing people since he's so young though 😖

Arturo

2025-02-21 17:15:52 +0000 UTC

Imperials > Stormcloaks

General Grevious

2025-02-21 17:02:00 +0000 UTC

1. Oliver is just a kid so killing shouldn’t even be on his agenda at all. 2. Killing the Mauler twins could just be a start. Once he is acclimated to killing period, who is gonna be able to stop him? What if he turns out just like his dad or worse? 3. I know there is a lot of controversy with heroes killing villains, but we all know what happens when good guys stop pulling their punches( Spiderman, Superman, Daredevil etc…) just sayin

Thallon

2025-02-21 16:39:36 +0000 UTC

They literally removed the warhead, they put an emp so it fries all the tech so people had to pay to use the shielded version, they even say it. The explosion was invincible basically exploding a rocket all at once.

Asterkampos

2025-02-21 16:35:16 +0000 UTC

Yeah Oliver shouldn’t go around killing ppl but if I’m a super hero at some point I’m not fighting the same villains over and over again bc no refuses to take them out. Wish the adults did it before a child had to step in.

Molly 80

2025-02-21 16:29:53 +0000 UTC

They were gonna kill everyone with a nuke

Molly 80

2025-02-21 16:26:00 +0000 UTC

My Only problem with oliver killing the maulers, were yes they do always come back and in my opinion needed to be eradicated, but oliver personally did not know they have come back multiple times so im scared of oliver killing someone commiting a crime for the first time for less

ItsKIC

2025-02-21 16:25:00 +0000 UTC

The entire opening scene is the reason why Oliver is wrong

Nate

2025-02-21 16:06:43 +0000 UTC

They aren’t dead Cecil got them

Jae

2025-02-21 16:06:17 +0000 UTC

It’s literally not trash writing tho? Oliver has always shown signs of “killing isn’t wrong” and has kinda been “talking” like Omni-man so it’s no shock that when he is upset and angry he questions if killing is wrong and if his dad who he clearly looks up to was wrong

Jayzion Wheller

2025-02-21 15:37:37 +0000 UTC

🤣🤣 his cut is trash ngl

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:28:35 +0000 UTC

Read your name as General Talius for a second 😂, thought i found a fellow ES enjoyer

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:23:07 +0000 UTC

in s1 she still yelled at him and Nolan about flying in the house. i think its funny and good continuity

Gmac paddiewac

2025-02-21 15:22:43 +0000 UTC

they were gonna take out all the worlds electronics and infrastructure then force the world into a stone age like era unless they pay them for technology.....thats kinda a big deal

Gmac paddiewac

2025-02-21 15:21:57 +0000 UTC

Same, they were entertaining af 😂

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:17:30 +0000 UTC

Well according to Shera apparently its L for Cecil because his guardians got knocked out for not trying to kill the Maulers. It definitely got nothing to do with winners being viltrumite right 🙃. Cecil is only doing Marks part-time job full time all over the world and cleaning up after the rest like Marks lil brother. The L takes are flooding in since last ep rip

Shahbaj Mohammad

2025-02-21 15:15:02 +0000 UTC

Mauler twins def needed to go. They are super intelligent, they just keep doing this shit for the love of the game 😭🙏

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:14:33 +0000 UTC

#cecildidnothingwrong 🗣‼️

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:13:31 +0000 UTC

Then you're an idiot. People like you are why democracy doesnt work as well as it should 🙏

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:12:52 +0000 UTC

Aight, send oliver back to his home planet bro. Lets see how he likes spending time with the other "special" people when they come looking for his half breed ass 😭🙏

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:09:08 +0000 UTC

Ikr 🤣

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 15:06:26 +0000 UTC

Ya they hate Cecil for doing his job according to his experience and for not deescalating the situation by yielding to a aggressive Mark. So anything that annoys Cecil and destroy the world would be great. Really like their reactions but the L est takes all coming since the last ep lol

Shahbaj Mohammad

2025-02-21 15:05:13 +0000 UTC

36:13: “Yeah? Businessmen are super villains?” They’re the closest things to them—y’all are watching Succession, you should know that lol

Clinton the Bingethinker

2025-02-21 15:02:07 +0000 UTC

True

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 14:57:40 +0000 UTC

This 'not spez' guy has to be retarded bro 🤣

Yellow_Flash

2025-02-21 14:57:19 +0000 UTC

What is happening with the red shirts? And why is Roshi now wearing Sheera's shirt?

I'Zanay Rogers

2025-02-21 14:55:00 +0000 UTC

Breh Sheera tripping with Cecil and the deescalate crap. U can't compare brother calming down brother with ur boss asking u to stand down in the pentagon when u can kill at the speed of sound and ur dad has the Adolf rep... Also Cecil was just surprised and calmly talking to Oliver when Mark started choking him mid air. He gets to take a jab at Mark because he gotta clean up this mess. U get upset abt the jab but ur silent when Cecil keeps Olivers name out of the media lol. Clearly no ones perfect in the show but the guy trying to keep everything together and not doing it part time like everyone is at fault for not being perfect. Ayayai... P. S. Also incase Shera still isn't sure abt the darksizmic thing, he wasn't hired by Cecil. He was just doing bs from the jail, they didn't have concrete proof that he could do all that from jail and without his gloves. Its not Cecils fault and yeah everyone is correct that Cecils robots went and saved everyone.

Shahbaj Mohammad

2025-02-21 14:52:27 +0000 UTC

Your ragebaiting stop, it's embarrassing tbh do better.

Austin Police

2025-02-21 14:25:30 +0000 UTC

I agree they have the genius to be good for humanity. Then lets say attempted murder. Episode 1, throwing an armored vehicle at a building to crush civilians and Darkwing. Throwing a woman by her head hundreds of feet into the air. Still not great.

Emko

2025-02-21 14:20:31 +0000 UTC

@chipman I agree w/the fact that he doesn't fully understand the moral quandary behind killing the Mauler twins and that is the exact reason he shouldn't have killed the Mauler twins. You say he's a child and doesn't understand, that "he's like 4 months old" but he knew enough to lie about it to his brother's face, meaning he knew what he had done was perceived as wrong and didn't want to get in trouble. Have you ever dealt w/children cuz they're smarter than you give them credit for. Regardless of whether or not he understood why, he disobeyed a direct order in the field multiple times and lied multiple times. He is not ready. He made a conscious decision to kill, to disobey, and to lie.

Xavier Chandler

2025-02-21 14:16:17 +0000 UTC

a shoplifter compared to murder n rape? u dumb? they JUST murdered two ppl in this episode at first appearance😂 i cant tell if ur rage baiting or genuinely slow buddy

durtymuny

2025-02-21 14:05:00 +0000 UTC

I hope you aint counting Mark as one the grown ass individuals 😂

Xavier Chandler

2025-02-21 14:01:54 +0000 UTC

Also lmk how many people the mauler twins raped and murdered cause I'm curious, unless your too retarded to figure out the point I was making, which I'm going to assume.

Austin Police

2025-02-21 13:58:22 +0000 UTC

So we should kill shoplifters and drug dealers and thief's right? I hear you.

Austin Police

2025-02-21 13:56:38 +0000 UTC

so we shouldn't kill rapists and murderers? I hear you

Not Spez

2025-02-21 13:46:30 +0000 UTC

No I'd say he's right because anytime in comic this topic comes up the author instead of be nuanced and letting you decide who's right on your own. They have the kill side say the most outlandish shit or go off the deep end to make you agree. And that is just trash writing.

Devaughn Hatchett

2025-02-21 13:42:41 +0000 UTC

Wierd how many people think murdering someone is completely justified as long as said person is a criminal.

Austin Police

2025-02-21 13:30:17 +0000 UTC

Didn't they talk about killing the Guardians and Oliver

Not Spez

2025-02-21 13:23:38 +0000 UTC

The mauler twins didn't kill anyone in this scene, they basically had a stun gun

Asterkampos

2025-02-21 13:20:06 +0000 UTC

Lol, you guys dropped the ball in this episode. Also, Roshi, don't attack the writer for not agreeing with you wth.

BT

2025-02-21 13:16:12 +0000 UTC

The Damage an EMP would cause could kill millions though imagine being on life support or in a plane or car when it goes off.

Kylian Chambers

2025-02-21 13:09:38 +0000 UTC

But still the fact that she didn’t at least go to Mark first made it seem like an impulsive decision on her part.

Jeremiah Deleg

2025-02-21 12:57:08 +0000 UTC

word

M Taha

2025-02-21 12:37:00 +0000 UTC

also I don’t think the Mauler’s killed people very much that I can remember, and they were entertaining. That missile was not a bomb yall they said EMP. they literally took the warhead off the missile and replaced it with an EMP they not trynna murder thousands. Idk if yall noticed but the gun they had temporarily paralyzed people at their nervous system, I doubt they killed anyone there.

rayman

2025-02-21 12:01:01 +0000 UTC

right? he has the power of a Viltrumite, they really want him to grow up being used to deciding who gets to die? where will he draw the line? he’d be going around killing everyone he thinks deserves to die. absolutely insane take they have here. an uncontrollable Viltrumite is the last thing Cecil needs to worry about, there’d be no way to stop him

rayman

2025-02-21 11:55:50 +0000 UTC

lol don’t let this episode full you into thinking Oliver can be stronger than mark cause he not, in fact his growth rate is literally a disadvantage than a advantage,to sheera point this just shows how much mark holds back

Fizzy

2025-02-21 11:54:52 +0000 UTC

The beginning of the episode was to show the viewer why all life is precious and you shouldn't so easily want to take a life no matter who it is. Oliver views are how tyrants are born. He believed the twins deserved death and deemed himself worthy to be judge jury and executioner. Do the couple at the beginning also deserve to die? Where would the line be cross. Who deserves to live and who deserves to die. Oliver has to much power. That's why it's so dangerous for somebody like him to be a killer. You will kill anybody that opposes you and your ideology will become to kill anybody you deem a criminal.

Ichigoat

2025-02-21 11:45:04 +0000 UTC

yall straight CAPPIN supporting Oliver for murdering them like that. the whole issue was what Omniman did, just brutally killing and now yall on team Oliver? He’s exhibiting the same sentiments with “who cares if I kill them? they deserve it”. Then where does he draw the line? he WANTED to kill them. And him being basically a Viltrumite with no filter and uncontrollable is Cecil’s worst nightmare

rayman

2025-02-21 11:45:00 +0000 UTC

lol they be forgetting shit

Fizzy

2025-02-21 11:43:40 +0000 UTC

the mom said that when mark met her while explaining their short life span and saying how he was finna speak soon, which he did on earth. They live and die so fast they have to remember everything so oliver remembers his old planet

Fred

2025-02-21 11:18:42 +0000 UTC

Ima solve this whole whoop right now. It's not what he did it's how he did it

Xavier Chandler

2025-02-21 11:13:52 +0000 UTC

I agree with your point, but can we all agree on the fact that Mark killing angstrom was pretty much self-defense ? He’s not a cold blooded psycho like Sinclair

Kinny Larsoking

2025-02-21 10:45:07 +0000 UTC

Also sheera, Oliver was not sad or sorry for killing the maulers lol, he was upset that Mark was angry with him. He didn't care that he'd just taken 2 lives right there and that is a HUGE red flag for someone so young.

Dtox 555

2025-02-21 10:30:12 +0000 UTC

Naw dude, you don't just execute someone who's surrendered. Once they're no longer a threat they're subject to the laws of the land, you don't get to decide who lives or dies.

Dtox 555

2025-02-21 10:24:39 +0000 UTC

Na he definitely understands because when the second twin surrendered he still killed him

Itanna

2025-02-21 10:18:32 +0000 UTC

But he was killing criminals I feel like that is the context that’s missing for darkwing which imo sets him apart from Sinclair

Itanna

2025-02-21 09:48:42 +0000 UTC

Bruh the lil swerve cracked me up lmao

sotonye ogan

2025-02-21 09:40:42 +0000 UTC

Kate’s twin probably killed more than the twins, kill him too😭

Bosastar

2025-02-21 09:23:44 +0000 UTC

Mf I mean bomb as they think it was a nuclear bomb emp's don't hurt people only electronics

Jesus

2025-02-21 09:15:38 +0000 UTC

We need to look at marks hypocrisy right here. He was saying that murders need to go to jail but when it comes to him and his family, he tracks back. Both mark Mark and Oliver are muderers now. Now I don't hate killing, what I hate is when your not able to stand on your viewpoint and being a hypocrite. This why was on Cecil's viewpoint last episode. When Batman killed joker and superman came to rescue him from prison, batman said no and went to do his time. I respect that, he stood on business and accepted that and took responsibility.

Ali Reza Jaffery

2025-02-21 08:11:50 +0000 UTC

Ohhh it would, come to australia. I have seen teens get away with killing 2 people with hit and run at 100mph. Others gets No sentence for strong arm roberry and car jacking. All because they were below the age of consent

baja

2025-02-21 08:03:18 +0000 UTC

I think the point is being misrepresented. Yes, the Mauler Twins were a reoccurring threat that needed to go. But it was clear before Olly's, "We're special, Dad was right" shtick, he felt the most reliable solution to keep bad guys from coming back was to kill. He blasted through the 1st twin, it couldve just been an accident. But he double down with a lack of remorse when he said, "Thats what happens when you're a bad guy". Before proceeding to triple down by finishing of the remaining twin when he was trying to surrender. As a viewer; They had to go, they DESERVED to go; But not with Olly's mindset. That was the point of the beginning part of the episode with the other two villains. They weren't just showing why they resorted to bank robbing; but how they went about it. They were people that despite being criminals, had enough empathy to take care not to hurt anyone. The put of the fire they made, so it didn't spread. Moved the workers away from the areas they were gonna damage further. Even tried to calm down the scare child. When they were lucky enough to get away, they even attempted to go straight. Even when they fell back to bank robbing and got caught by Mark and Oliver, they were fighting to get away, not to kill. But when it comes to how young Oliver looked at things; If left to his own devices, no Mark, no Debbie, no other heroes...Oliver would've killed them too, and likely thought nothing of it.

Keevondrick Womack

2025-02-21 08:02:24 +0000 UTC

What did he say in the comics ?

momo

2025-02-21 08:02:14 +0000 UTC

what do you mean "he's purple he's obviously from another planet"? they had a literal fish-man superhero running around lmao

David James

2025-02-21 07:58:31 +0000 UTC

Mark was 18 when he got his powers. And nolan definetely needed some grounding.

baja

2025-02-21 07:57:13 +0000 UTC

Pay more attention to the show please 🙏🏽

Kumi Chan

2025-02-21 07:46:49 +0000 UTC

Mark told the kid in the dessert that "u can't kill people and pretend it's no big deal" Mark is basically saying killing shouldn't be your default setting, cause that could stray you from the path which is to save people first. Having the mentality as a developed young boy to kill bad people will only make your morality muddy and unstable

Ernie

2025-02-21 07:35:46 +0000 UTC

You sound mad stupid rn

Nate

2025-02-21 07:26:37 +0000 UTC

Maulers had it coming, it sucks that it had to be Oliver who killed them tho. Not cool, Oliver.

peepo

2025-02-21 07:24:25 +0000 UTC

So you’re basically evil at that point and God at that point 😭 basically any hero can justify themselves killing a bad person without even knowing what they are going through or anything that makes them human. But a half human half alien son of the person who killing millions on a whim can😭

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 07:17:49 +0000 UTC

Also they just don’t want Oliver to build a habit of killing people that probably don’t need to die, did the mauler twins need to die? Probably yeah.

DJ Muldrow

2025-02-21 07:17:21 +0000 UTC

Yeah I side with you guys opinions most of the Times but this Oliver take is trash

BaboGG

2025-02-21 07:11:34 +0000 UTC

bro mark just wants everyone to hurt the viltrumites till they leave lmao like brother the mauler twins escaped more times than ever just to kill people.

Green Camero

2025-02-21 07:07:01 +0000 UTC

Grayson family is a bunch of L’s. Cecil may be a cold fuck but at least he’s got a grip on how to handle shit on the fly.

Jesse’s finga paintin

2025-02-21 07:06:24 +0000 UTC

Lupa not realizing he said invinci-boy on episode like 1 or 2 😭

DJ Muldrow

2025-02-21 07:00:36 +0000 UTC

I'm not mad at Oliver. If the heroes killed the villains in other shows, there would be way less crime, but just putting them in jail, just for them to eventually break out and do it all over again gets tiring.

Ezra

2025-02-21 06:55:13 +0000 UTC

Nah that’s a great twd reference lol

BaboGG

2025-02-21 06:54:56 +0000 UTC

alr bro you can argue your point without bringing up ppls kids

steezo jckson

2025-02-21 06:46:42 +0000 UTC

And what exactly do you think an EMP is big dog?

Jake from State farm

2025-02-21 06:44:43 +0000 UTC

its not that deep 😭 they know its a show, theres a difference about perceiving things happening in reality and in a show

D Fud

2025-02-21 06:31:30 +0000 UTC

No he wouldn't. Injustice Superman is on the other end of the issue. The whole thing is a message for why it is bad for super heroes to kill. But in the end the whole thing relies on all of the characters to be completely irrational about everything to get you there. Because the truth of the matter is that Superman, and the Justice League as a whole could do a whole Justice Lords sort and actually clean up crime for good without going off the deep end and slaughtering people or killing innocents.

Nick Baynes

2025-02-21 06:30:49 +0000 UTC

Sheera and Roshi you guys are fucking insane. You have kids yet cheer when a CHILD kills two people. Even if you think they deserve it that is fucking IRRELEVANT. He isn't even 13 and KILLED TWO PEOPLE, one of whom surrendered. You really think a kid should be doing that? Y'all are mad weird

BSteppa

2025-02-21 06:21:01 +0000 UTC

Ngl I wanted doc seismic to die instead of these guys, also it feels like lupa found out about the word low diff so he has to find a chance to say it all the time lmao

Sum1s0mewhere

2025-02-21 06:20:45 +0000 UTC

As you guys said, Mark needs to realise that some villains need to go if theyre constantly being a problem to society. He's doing great at teaching Oliver not to just outright kill since being a hero is not "black and white". I see Oliver in the future taking out someone they know that is in the "grey area" and it will strain his and Mark's relationship.

BigGokii

2025-02-21 06:14:09 +0000 UTC

its supposed to be "we hold ourselves to a higher moral standard and do not kill" is why it always seems like they are holding back. because they are simple as that. the entire point of last season why mark was strugling is because he didn't know when to not hold back and when to hold back he just always holds back. now he knows he can just murder ie episode 1 when he starts killing multi pauls, and episode 2 when he is chopping up re animen. he doesn't want the moral weight of killing everyone and becoming "evil" and knows its wrong. THIS ALL BEING SAID. Olivers logic isn't wrong either that they have a responsibility to remove the bad guys from the planet. He just doesn't understand fully what hes saying because of 3 things. 1 hes a kid. 2 hes a kid with superpowers that already thinks hes a superior being. 3 he doesn't understand that its humanities faith in a justice system that someone like cecil would take them out or turn them to good. Its fun when shows like this make you have to think about things. I don't think its bad superhero writing logic. Its how most operating governments try to operate. You dont just shoot criminals in the street they are supposed to get a trial. Not saying that always happens in real life.

Gmac paddiewac

2025-02-21 06:07:59 +0000 UTC

Dog it wasn't a bomb it was an emp it only affects electronics

Jesus

2025-02-21 06:06:29 +0000 UTC

Being mad at mark for not wanting Oliver to fight two grown ass villains is crazy work lmao it doesn’t matter if he’s got powers he’s a child who can’t control himself and he’s obviously worried about his little bothers safety

Teacupcats

2025-02-21 06:05:31 +0000 UTC

I'm team let people make their own decisions!!!

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 05:53:15 +0000 UTC

Planes falling from the sky, people in hospital on lifeline, cars crashing due to the emp. The death toll would be there

Bobthatnigha

2025-02-21 05:53:08 +0000 UTC

I’m glad most of the comment section is team not letting children murder whoever they want lmfao

Jaden Coleman

2025-02-21 05:48:41 +0000 UTC

Or AJ from the Walking Dead Tell Tale. This episode comes on the heels of last weeks episode where Mark was pressing Cecil for rehabilitating criminals. I'm interested to see if Oliver racks up a few more bodies if that conversation gets revisited.

Ultra Sen

2025-02-21 05:48:06 +0000 UTC

the walking up the stairs is part of her child raising. she would yell at mark and nolan for flying in the house

Gmac paddiewac

2025-02-21 05:39:47 +0000 UTC

"He remembers everything from the moment he was born" Where in the show did they explain any of this? Are you saying that Oliver was super cognizant as an infant? Or is this a comic plot point.

Ultra Sen

2025-02-21 05:37:46 +0000 UTC

Lupa's fly animation response to not flying in the house was the most accurate response to being told that lmfao

Mori Jin

2025-02-21 05:34:34 +0000 UTC

Tbf, we're talking about a genuine child who doesn't fully understand what killing is versus grown ass adults who do know what killing is and still do it.

Persto

2025-02-21 05:29:25 +0000 UTC

oliver needs a good belt to ass, alien style honestly #cecildidnothingwrong

madmax

2025-02-21 05:24:50 +0000 UTC

Real talk, I do hate Super Hero story logic of them not killing and when a hero does kill, that hero gets the stink eye from every hero for doing everyone a favor. Like how Batman was against Superman for murdering Joker who has gotten away with mass murder. Like fuck off with that logic. I get there are some villains who don't deserve to die like the two villains from the beginning but the Mauler Twins? They litteral were pulling terrorism on a mass scale, KILL THEM. I'm sure Cecil will put them back together and brainwash them and probably get hands on their cloning expertise. They have the technology.

Isaac

2025-02-21 05:23:55 +0000 UTC

A child killing in self defense vs a grown man torturing and killing street thugs.

JxLegend

2025-02-21 05:10:22 +0000 UTC

Cant stand when child characters are written like this. Its actually so annoying how impossible it seems to reason with them

13

2025-02-21 05:09:56 +0000 UTC

I agree the approach was the problem. I just feel like it’s crazy that last episode we pointed out how powerful mark was and that it’s smart to be prepared but then this episode we arguing about giving mfs who are that powerful the right to kill. It just a cycle of creating the monster and then trying to find a way to stop it. Just to be clear I always agreed with the contingencies but I don’t think you should piss off what you’re afraid of to prove a point 😂. Either way Im enjoying this season because of these convo’s!

Lenard Jones

2025-02-21 05:07:04 +0000 UTC

What is character development to you?

CentipedeKid

2025-02-21 05:05:57 +0000 UTC

Did I say him doing something the next day, or did I say him have character development. Clearly i’m referring to him demonstrating growth from the mindset he has now. The end of the episode is good in that he at least says/promises he understands what they were telling him, and time will tell whether he’s being honest or if, like when Mark confronted him, he’s only saying what he thinks he should.

zkdglo

2025-02-21 05:03:10 +0000 UTC

Is cloning possible? They specifically state the EMP blast was to wipe telecommunications so people would pay for their communications service, hence the "we're worse than villains, we're businessmen"

Mustardy Boi

2025-02-21 05:02:43 +0000 UTC

They didn't try to kill Pete, they literally told him in S2 they purposely kept him alive

Mustardy Boi

2025-02-21 05:00:06 +0000 UTC

the argument was never that we didn’t need the contingency it’s how cecil introduced it to him. even batman tells mfs some part of his plan

Fred

2025-02-21 04:53:18 +0000 UTC

Debbie’s point wasn’t that the Mauler’s shouldn’t have died. The point is life is precious. Oliver can’t go around killing people he deems “bad”. Killing/not valuing life is a slippery slope. If he keeps going down this path without Mark and Debbie in his ear then he’s gonna kill a guy that litters.

These Plums

2025-02-21 04:49:28 +0000 UTC

I get that but on the flip side, say she doesn’t tell him and hypothetically, Omniman appears from the sky and crashes into the house and rips her boyfriend in two. I’m pretty sure you’d wish that she told you that her ex husband was one of the most powerful people on the planet. Plus, she said that she knew him for 2 years prior to that date so he must have gained a certain amount of trust. I see both sides.

Wolf

2025-02-21 04:46:31 +0000 UTC

Sheera always flip flopping lol she mad that Cecil thought Mark was dangerous and then cheers for Oliver killing two criminals , proving Cecil right in the first place.

Wolf

2025-02-21 04:41:52 +0000 UTC

Yes, it does lolololol. Kill all unjustified killers!!!!

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 04:40:05 +0000 UTC

cook these weak ahh arguments 1v3 whooping they ass

Fred

2025-02-21 04:39:25 +0000 UTC

Yeah Oliver seemed a little older in the comics at this point, like 13 or something. He made a lot better case for why he did it instead of just seeming like a kid that acted out.

John Cedar

2025-02-21 04:39:18 +0000 UTC

yes that’s why he apologized as he did to him it’s not a big deal you can’t force understanding to someone it’s a slow process he’s still figuring how society works here he only learned the foundation of his birth society while he was a baby and probably the basics since he was still young.

Fred

2025-02-21 04:37:05 +0000 UTC

44:30 Oliver was not upset or sorry lol. Your sorrys mean nothing if you keep doing the same thing over and over again (helping Mark in fights constantly even when being told no), he was upset because he was being told to not kill people, not because of what he did.

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 04:35:23 +0000 UTC

@Itanna He's like 4 months old, bro. Darkwing going crazy doesn't justify serial killing in cold blood. I'd argue that anyone who kills serially is probably crazy lmao. Come on, these can't be the replies. These are such weak arguments.

Chimpman

2025-02-21 04:32:49 +0000 UTC

@John Cedar Yes it fucking would? Children get lesser sentences for crimes all the time, especially based on their age. The fact that you think this isn't true is honestly kind of insane. It makes me think you're a kid yourself.

Chimpman

2025-02-21 04:31:16 +0000 UTC

If he did something within the next day you'd think he was different the day before? That's just not how that works especially not for Oliver. If he demonstrates the ability to differentiate when to kill you will have been wrong.

CentipedeKid

2025-02-21 04:30:21 +0000 UTC

I think it's bad faith to say the show's switching up on Oliver to make his point hold less water. Considering the only thing we had to go off of his stance on killing prior was questioning why his brother threatened to kill someone but didn't which if anything would sound like being accidentally egged on by Mark to think it's ok even though they tried to correct it the next second. It's wild though that the second Oliver said he might agree with Nolan the couch switched up on him though but just before that him saying life isn't precious and other people are just normal slipped under the radar. While I disagree with people saying the Maulers didn't deserve to die since they didn't really kill anyone THIS time, this season has shown a lot of reasons why killing them wasn't an objective positive. As smart as they are, they possibly could've been employed by Cecil which would help Earth's security, but that idea's scrapped along with one of the twin's jaws. If Mark killed Sinclair or Dark Wing (not both but even just one) all the heroes die in the first episode of the season. The beginning of this episode was all about the question Sheera asked in response to Debbie "Who is going to miss the Maulers" we know nobody is going to as viewers, but that's not always the case for heroes who don't always know villains like the couple are only trying to have money to eat and live or Titan (the real first villain to be shown down on his luck in the first season 😂)

VagabonD

2025-02-21 04:28:23 +0000 UTC

Was that stated in the show? The EMP was built to only take down telecommunications? Is that even possible? Whether or not the intention is only to take down telecommunications, would the EMP have done that?

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 04:21:15 +0000 UTC

When did we get a backstory on the maulers to know if they were the only 2 and isn’t there a whole other dimension with only people like them. Now I personally don’t care that they’re dead but it’s a slippery slope giving super heroes the right to kill. This reaction fried niggas argument from last episode 😂😂😂. We have precautions for people like mark which is smart but we also want to give him and a 3 month old license to kill if they thinks it’s necessary. We do realize that they wouldn’t need contingencies to this extent if the government wasn’t literally creating the monster!!

Lenard Jones

2025-02-21 04:19:17 +0000 UTC

Ok and neither is superman or batman, because they put supervillians into prisons instead of in the ground. 5 months later they kill a few more people, but hey, the greater protection of people is not as important than being morally consistent.

Fenpai

2025-02-21 04:18:39 +0000 UTC

People will change after that episode airs

bleach

2025-02-21 04:14:10 +0000 UTC

A global EMP would crash the supply chain, many global economies, and bring many jobs and ways of payment/transfer of goods to a halt. It would also disrupt public utilities and communication between police, EMTs, and other emergency workers. Mass looting and crime would be rampant. Tens of millions would die globally, if not 100 million or more over the coming months due to any number of reasons for the supply chain being destroyed. I might even be way too conservative in that estimate and it would actually be a lot more. A nuke would've actually killed way less people.

John Cedar

2025-02-21 04:13:57 +0000 UTC

The conversation between Mark and Oliver in the comic was written way better. You understood why Oliver had his logic wayyyyy better than just oh humans are less than us.

Cozyman Nas

2025-02-21 04:13:09 +0000 UTC

Darkwing went mad from fighting crime in a cursed city constantly. If Oliver doesn’t understand the morality of the inhabitants of Earth then maybe he shouldn’t be there to begin with.

Itanna

2025-02-21 04:12:41 +0000 UTC

he is obviously still mentally a child

Joshua Vail

2025-02-21 04:11:58 +0000 UTC

Lol chipman that defense would not fly in court if a child was up for murder charges 😂

John Cedar

2025-02-21 04:10:28 +0000 UTC

No one ever mentions how much of a hypocrite mark is. If it was anyone else, he would drag their ass to prison for killing the mauler’s.

Manny

2025-02-21 04:08:17 +0000 UTC

EMP was specifically for telecommunications stuff

Joshua Vail

2025-02-21 04:07:43 +0000 UTC

I mean my stance is that his mindset is bad and his rationale for what he did was wrong, so if he has the character development to change then my stance regarding him in this episode would be the same, it’s just that he would have grown since then.

zkdglo

2025-02-21 04:06:04 +0000 UTC

Oliver is a child who doesn't really understand morality just yet and has superpowers. This changes the situation entirely. Cecil defenders stay ignoring all facts that destroy their narrative.

Chimpman

2025-02-21 04:05:30 +0000 UTC

Thought this would be a deep discussion but they take everything at face value, I guess

Red Death

2025-02-21 04:04:30 +0000 UTC

Goku ain't a hero at all but ok

Red Death

2025-02-21 04:02:33 +0000 UTC

No more Run The Jewels songs now that the Maulers are gone 😔 They were my favorite side characters

John Cedar

2025-02-21 03:58:20 +0000 UTC

40:02 mauler twins haven’t killed anyone. They used a nerve gun that stuns people’s

Kumi Chan

2025-02-21 03:58:02 +0000 UTC

Exactly, I was confused why Sheera didn't see it as a big deal.

Devin B

2025-02-21 03:57:37 +0000 UTC

Saying that the maulers don't have any friends or family is crazy since how was they born into the world? Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exists so Sheera using that as an excuse is a bad one for killing them. (But I agree with Oliver put them down like dogs so innocent people don't get killed!)

Reaper General

2025-02-21 03:56:10 +0000 UTC

I’m ngl Oliver killing those two just proved that Cecil was right. Mark was so against the idea of darkwing helping because he killed bad guys but is willing to give his brother a pass. So should Oliver not be locked up too?

Itanna

2025-02-21 03:56:00 +0000 UTC

How do you know the EMP wouldnt cause the death of people?

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 03:53:17 +0000 UTC

No body should be able to just kill cause that would give them an excuse to just do it again and again. It’s ways to exploit the “oh he was a bad guy that killed someone I saw it but none of you did” like that makes no sense. Superheroes should hold the power of life and death over those with no powers.

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:47:26 +0000 UTC

SO just because other people kill people that gives superheroes the right to kill people they deem as bad guys. Let’s say mark just starts killing people that he deems as bad who can stop him? No one should have the authority to take another life without true justice.

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:44:32 +0000 UTC

1. Because they were stopped before doing murder S1 Ep 1, it's not like they are nice and won't murder people. 2. How do you know that? What if someone dies because the EMP took out something they relied on for survival, like a heart pacemaker? What if their was a helicopter that got taken down due to its electronic systems being taken out?

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 03:41:30 +0000 UTC

They really think they be cooking 😭 Oliver views anybody that’s lesser than him and also does bad things as insignificant. Like Oliver a child should not be just killing people. He is is also NOT SORRY you could tell when he killed the maulers that he was trying to kill them. He wasn’t there to just stop them. HE WANTED TO KILL THEM. He’s a sociopath and they just agreeing with him is crazy

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:39:56 +0000 UTC

The Missile wasn't going to Kill anyone Sheera, it was a giant EMP that was gonna wipe out all communication on the planet and Oliver didn't know how bad the Twins were. This was his first encounter with them and his first decision was to kill. That a big RED flag lol

Doc Anime!

2025-02-21 03:39:56 +0000 UTC

guyz knowone disagrees that the maulers needed to die the issue is that oliver didnt know that, and just offed him simply because they were bad guyz, for example, would you be ok with oliver killing some regular dollar store theives the same way. Also oliver not understanding the whole life is precious bit is simply because he has no friends or loved ones outside of his family right now

Obinna Uzodike

2025-02-21 03:36:00 +0000 UTC

Nah. Let them kill

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 03:35:07 +0000 UTC

I don't think superheroes should be just killing people. They're literally just random ass civilians that randomly got powers and started attacking people they perceive as bad. If they just started killing people they'd be murderers. Where comic books and shows related to them mess up, is in the fact that they usually just beat the criminal up and put em in jail. They need to stick around and make sure the criminals go through due process. Like that one meme where Batman doesn't kill Joker, but sticks around for the entire process of Joker being sentenced to death and says "it's out of my hands Joker".

Just Gene

2025-02-21 03:30:52 +0000 UTC

They're also forgetting that Oliver is literally an alien ( a bug and a viltrumite), he does not have human emotions. It is going to take him a while to understand. Like I know they want to give him a normal life but Oliver and Mark are not the same. They are going to have be a bit more heavy handed on him . Also I think everyone was more stunned that a kid killed the twins more than anything especially when one of the twins surrendered but Oliver still killed him. Also have to remember he was not there when things went down with Omni Man. Despite whatever he has learned about him, still go back to the fact that he is not human which is why he probably isn't fazed by what Omni man did.

Witty

2025-02-21 03:25:33 +0000 UTC

The mauler twins didn’t kill anyone, the gun only temporarily paralyzed them

Kryptik _

2025-02-21 03:23:48 +0000 UTC

He is considered a hero, maybe not the classic superman/batman type character, but a hero nonetheless.

Fenpai

2025-02-21 03:23:44 +0000 UTC

Exceedingly funny to see that Sheera can't read past a child's standard manipulation tactics.

Viela Guay

2025-02-21 03:22:19 +0000 UTC

i think the show is failing to communicate that the main problem these characters have regarding oliver, is that he doesn't seem to care about killing IN GENERAL. in this instance, there was nothing really wrong with the ends achieved by killing the twins - the characters are REALLY concerned with him taking his immature 1 year old attitude of "bad guys should be killed" into the future. the beginning segment of this episode was to highlight the kinds of "bad guys" who don't deserve that death sentence. if some lone guy decides to kill "the bad people", then it's only up to that single person's opinion who's gonna die, which has obvious problems. it should be left up to an agency such as the GDA to contain, rehabilitate, and utilize their abilities for the good of everyone instead. what i find more interesting in all of this is how mark apparently disagrees with the GDA's treatment of super-convicts as well, so it's like wtf do you want then bro? you don't want vigilante justice, OR the most experienced agency to create the most technically beneficial solution?

yoyo

2025-02-21 03:18:04 +0000 UTC

Yes Roshi, cause allowing a child to get used to the idea of murdering people is such a great idea. I hope you stand for the death penalty, as well as cops using excessive force when they are "scared" or see someone as "evil". Oliver has been on Earth for like 3 hours and has zero clue who the Maulers, other than the fact that they are bad guys. He decided their fate/punishment in a split second, and was only able to because of his powers. He didn't have some long history and their criminal records, it was a simple as "you're bad, you die". Yes, great ideology for people in power to have.

Sung Woong

2025-02-21 03:17:06 +0000 UTC

Bro…….😭😭 oliver said and i quote “I didnt mean to kill them” idk sounds like he doesnt know how strong he really is😭😭😭😭

Casual

2025-02-21 03:14:11 +0000 UTC

Roshi would love Injustice Superman (from the comics) with all of his being I swear lmao the ends always justify the means I guess. Start taking out the Heroes that try to stop you from murdering the bad guys too just like Injustice Superman.

Stellarnut

2025-02-21 03:13:39 +0000 UTC

He’s not a superhero and your point is stupid

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:13:06 +0000 UTC

Saying that like anyone else could beat the maulers😭 and also the power scaling in this show is horrible

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:11:38 +0000 UTC

Are you genuinely not watching the episode or are u just delusional

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:10:43 +0000 UTC

I mean that’s no excuse for his actions. He should be held to the same accountability as everyone else if he’s gonna stay on eartg

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:07:32 +0000 UTC

The villains breaking out to kill people are the maulers tho😐 they haven’t killed a single person and all their plans don’t cause genocide or to kill people

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:06:19 +0000 UTC

But the maulers have never been shown to kill anyone just do mustache twisting plots that lead to nowhere😭 they didn’t deserve to die. They were also some of the smartest people in the show

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:04:58 +0000 UTC

Roshi heated that people mad at Oliver but that kid literally murdered 2 dudes (one who gave up) with a straight face then immediately lied about it and pretended to be an innocent kid lmao he's literally a psychopath like his father.

Stellarnut

2025-02-21 03:04:38 +0000 UTC

I get what you're saying but Mark isn't really one who should lecture Oliver about a code. He talks about threatening a man's life right in front of him and then when Oliver asks why he didn't just do it all of a sudden the idea is downright evil. He's acting one way and telling his brother to behave another

VagabonD

2025-02-21 03:03:53 +0000 UTC

This is the intelligence of the average invincible viewer. They shower them to show that even villains are human. They have hardship and go through stuff like being homeless and their motives behind being villains. Also showing how invincible isn’t really helping anything. He just goes around beating up people and how Cecil is actually trying to give people a way to use their powers for good.

Mali Howard

2025-02-21 03:02:36 +0000 UTC

I’m sorry but if the mom is gonna out my secret identity to whomever she meets, then obviously imma be upset. Paul wasn’t even up to second base yet what the hell she doin dropping secrets???

Jeremiah Deleg

2025-02-21 02:57:55 +0000 UTC

1. Maulers have never committed any murder on the show 2. The emp they set off was that an emp not a nuke it would have done no damage to humans physically 3. They never killed those guards we see them later 4. Last episode the couch claims that a necessary evil is needed so saying the maulers deserve to die while last episode they say nightwing is a necessary tool to have is contradictive in itself

Adrian

2025-02-21 02:57:53 +0000 UTC

"I thought they were going somewhere with the couple" bruh the way i was locked in for no reason or payoff that was the most pointless stupid intro of characters I have ever seen and why did they waste and use that ost theme like something sinister was going to happen then in the end it was just a daily neighborhood spiderman robbery saga, didn't Machine-head hire them niggas so how they broke, see? more questions no answers no story no closure just shows characters nobody gaf about arghh. Is the point of the story is that Im supposed to feel bad for them cuz they a gay broke couple? bruh sometimes this show pisses me off with little little things.

sotonye ogan

2025-02-21 02:57:24 +0000 UTC

I just knew Roshi was gonna be on Oliver timing😭

General Grevious

2025-02-21 02:54:25 +0000 UTC

Except that's already a thing though. If the system isn't willing to give a supervillain a death penalty it shouldn't fall into a superhero's responsibility to kill them. That's just asking for Injustice/Justice Lords

VagabonD

2025-02-21 02:54:07 +0000 UTC

Objectively if you have powers you can but shouldn't be killing people just because you feel it's right. When there is big discrepancy in the power dynamic people are always gonna feel a way about it. Punisher gets away with it because he is human. You are immediately considered dangerous when you can punch missiles and decide who lives or dies. Literally playing god at that point

DocGreen

2025-02-21 02:52:44 +0000 UTC

oh damn you're right idk why i remember it as it being ripped off

Trey Milliner-Williams

2025-02-21 02:46:11 +0000 UTC

That gun was so effect because it stuns the nervous system if they would have destroyed the weapon it wouldnt have got out of hand

Ayojii

2025-02-21 02:41:54 +0000 UTC

And I hate his weak haircut too💯

Ricky Pereira

2025-02-21 02:40:34 +0000 UTC

my God, the pit in my stomach when Oliver said those things 😢

B23

2025-02-21 02:40:05 +0000 UTC

I'll never agree with just killing someone no matter what they did that's not my decision to make.

Trequan Williams

2025-02-21 02:37:37 +0000 UTC

but yet he still acts like a kid and has kid tendencies so yes he does need to understand it. Having the mental capacity of an adult doesn't mean he all of a sudden will act like an adult lol

Arsean Wilbon

2025-02-21 02:35:36 +0000 UTC

Nah I hear y'all but you probably don't want a child getting used to murder. That's complete psychological cookage.

DannyA

2025-02-21 02:33:11 +0000 UTC

Sheera “where you get a meal”😭😭

Amos

2025-02-21 02:31:36 +0000 UTC

They used the stun gun on those two guards

Yendis The Great

2025-02-21 02:30:08 +0000 UTC

“Tried” their kill count is still lower than Oliver. Plus we saw when they teamed up with Angstrom they just want to live a comfortable life. They don’t aim to ruin people’s lives.

Yendis The Great

2025-02-21 02:29:54 +0000 UTC

One of my favorite Heroes from when I was a kid was Goku. Pretty sure he's made a lot of his opponents take a perma nap.

Fenpai

2025-02-21 02:26:19 +0000 UTC

Well Mark really has to stop not trying as you say because he be getting his ass kicked for no reason. Yall use that excuse he wasn't trying all the time. Maybe its time to stop using that excuse and actually get mad that he keeps pulling his punches.

DeMarAdams

2025-02-21 02:24:18 +0000 UTC

I believe somebody mentioned this down below but I’ll just use the comparison they made with Atreus from GOW 2018 it’s exactly like that.

Krype

2025-02-21 02:23:35 +0000 UTC

i can’t wait till the show gets more into the plot

Im not the best, I’m the better

2025-02-21 02:23:19 +0000 UTC

Alot of your favorite heroes wouldn't be "heroes" if they went around slapping dick on the table killing mfs.

Aniki Pft

2025-02-21 02:22:57 +0000 UTC

???? This comment makes no sense you mad for bro being upset that his mum told another dude about his secret identity

Fizzy

2025-02-21 02:22:42 +0000 UTC

Bright Burn 2.0😭😂

Bosastar

2025-02-21 02:22:00 +0000 UTC

wrong just cause he looks young physically doesn’t mean anything if you paid attention you would know the nanny says that his mind grows faster then his body meaning he could already have the mental capacity of an adult

Mauler twins were so sexy, sucks to see them gone! 😫

Femboy Enthusiast

2025-02-21 02:20:22 +0000 UTC

Cause mark wasnt trying that not a good point

Fizzy

2025-02-21 02:20:13 +0000 UTC

Exactly this whole season is mark developing the notion that some villians need to get clapped

Fizzy

2025-02-21 02:19:43 +0000 UTC

They literally tried to kill the president the first episode what are u yappin about

I was strongly for Cecil last episode, even if he fucked up big time. I'm just as strongly against Oliver. Do supervillains who consistently break out need to be put down? Yes. The Maulers are likable but they raided the White House, helped Angstrom Levy, and were unleashing an EMP to monopolize. But that murder decision shouldn't be coming from a kid. Accelerated growth, whatever. Oliver has been fake since the beginning on his powers and going for the "Why didn't you just kill XYZ and its no longer a problem" and not hearing what Mark or Debby has been saying. You're looking at Bug Homelander if Mark or Debby doesn't try to draw a line and do it early.

Emko

2025-02-21 02:10:44 +0000 UTC

pretty sure they killed 2 people in this episode alone lol

Manny

2025-02-21 02:04:02 +0000 UTC

MASSIVE FUCKING W FOR BIG OLI!

Ayanda Mpofu

2025-02-21 02:00:48 +0000 UTC

It was important to note that throughout this entire exchange, the mauler twins didn't kill anyone (they use a stun gun to paralyzed all the guards) and they were going to use an EMP missile primarily for monetary gains, not to commit genocide. Despite all that, and including the fact that Oliver did all of this without even knowing who the mauler twins are or there history beside being "bad guys", he still killed them. Even when one of them was asking for mercy, a less than a year old Oliver still killed them. Argue whether criminals should be put to death or whatever, this situation was not OK.

Adamas

2025-02-21 01:56:09 +0000 UTC

People defending the no kill rule act as if there's no middle ground. We aren't sayin kill all bad guys. You obviously not gonna kill the dude shoplifting. But the ones that are constantly breaking out of prison and causing chaos killing people. Pack them up. "oh but once they cross that line it changes them". Put them on the chair, lethal pills/injections, firing squads, etc. there are ways around this.

WAY

2025-02-21 01:55:40 +0000 UTC

The twins have killed nobody all show long.

Yendis The Great

2025-02-21 01:49:25 +0000 UTC

he didn’t care but it was an accident it’s not like he meant to do it in the beginning. roshi is right here seeming that some ppl just need to die in these comics cuz putting them in jail for them to possibly escape is stupid asf just end it right then and there. oliver isn’t human so he doesn’t function as one which is most likely why he doesn’t feel anything on top of the mauler twins being evil. oliver killed them to save his family the maulers kill just to do it.

quxntum

2025-02-21 01:49:16 +0000 UTC

One of the twins suggested leaving the Guardians on the launchpad so they'd get cooked when the missile launched...

Ara Araragi

2025-02-21 01:37:34 +0000 UTC

still very different scenarios. Magneto was enraged and didn't care anymore. The maulers are literal geniuses so if they say that they will target coms they probably can and even then we don't have enough context of their full plan to say if its even close to what magneto did. More importantly emp effectiveness is kinda over exaggerated mainly because many tech now probably has defenses against it. Especially with how the future of warfare will be like.

Keondodge

2025-02-21 01:35:28 +0000 UTC

This comment with the Snoop Lightyear pfp is killing me

Username TakenB

2025-02-21 01:31:55 +0000 UTC

Oliver would probably be more sympathetic to the house fly since he's part bug 😂

Ara Araragi

2025-02-21 01:31:04 +0000 UTC

The guard at their prison cells? They only broke his arm. Or is there a different guard I'm not remembering?

Sunny

2025-02-21 01:31:02 +0000 UTC

Large emp would kill millions did you forget what happened in xmen 97? Planes falling from the sky, people on life support dying to name a few scenarios the maulers are bad guys no matter the plan

GhoulEx

2025-02-21 01:26:33 +0000 UTC

Fuji That’s the point I’m making because she used the logic that marks different because he was raised on earth in the post discussion in the previous episode.

William Tippen

2025-02-21 01:26:22 +0000 UTC

to be fair they did beat mark too lol

GNEISS

2025-02-21 01:26:22 +0000 UTC

a lot of people getting on oliver but y’all are holding him to human standards when he’s not human. He remembers everything from the moment he was born so he was raised as an alien as well. His species thinks of life as a collective so killing 2 to save hundreds in the future would be what a bug soldier would be down for. Oliver isn’t human and that’s where the emotionlessness comes crom

Fred

2025-02-21 01:25:48 +0000 UTC

no, its not he meant to kill them, he knows how strong he is

GNEISS

2025-02-21 01:25:40 +0000 UTC

I think I hate Mark, bro just irritates me with everything he does 😂. Especially the secret identity stuff like he and Eve don’t just be flying around willy nilly to link up on his roof like there are no neighbors 😂

Ricky Pereira

2025-02-21 01:23:42 +0000 UTC

Oliver definitely didn't feel sorry for killing the mauler twins. As for the 'no kill rule' I think it's good to have it in place in SOME superhero media, BUT the thing that takes me out of it is that youre telling me no one in the justice system thinks these guys deserve the death penalty? Like superheroes shouldn't go around taking life, or should only do it when they feel like they are forced too, but how the hell you gonna lock up some of these guys and no one in the law thinks we should kill them

Gabe

2025-02-21 01:22:18 +0000 UTC

Omni Kid on that certified cobra kai no mercy shit

Sung Drip-Snoop

2025-02-21 01:21:10 +0000 UTC

just because you raised a bug on earth dont mean he aint gonna do bug shit lmao

Fuji

2025-02-21 01:20:26 +0000 UTC

Fuck the mauler twins W Omni kid lol

RnicJaay

2025-02-21 01:19:08 +0000 UTC

they made a gun that can hurt viltrumites..... cecil should hire them lol

GNEISS

2025-02-21 01:19:03 +0000 UTC

I see what yall are saying, but even though the mauler twins aren't the most perfect example of deserving mercy Oliver needed to be lectured here because he is so young and to make sure he really understands what it means to take a life.

lil_riko

2025-02-21 01:15:23 +0000 UTC

Its safe to assume he died of blood loss

Jjb

2025-02-21 01:14:12 +0000 UTC

They have killed before but they also show a lot of restraint when it comes to killing normals. I think outside the very first episode they don't intentionally kill normal people. And you can say they certainly tried to hurt Oliver, but they didn't outright try to kill him. They warned him.

CaptainFlowers

2025-02-21 01:13:52 +0000 UTC

Exactly.

Jamaal Ellison

2025-02-21 01:07:27 +0000 UTC

Didn't they intend on killing Oliver. Didn't the twins kill people before?

Alex zander

2025-02-21 01:05:20 +0000 UTC

Sheera, you were wrong; Oliver didn't give a shit about killing the twins, he was only upset Mark was yelling at him. Meanwhile Mark almost went insane trying to justify his first kill while this kid shrugs it off like he killed a common house fly lol.

ArsenalSFX

2025-02-21 01:04:06 +0000 UTC

100% agree and I hope they see this comment. No one's disagreeing that the Mauler Twins should have been packed up but Oliver's complete lack of empathy is very concerning for his young age. They have to nip this shit in the bud now before he starts to think like a true Viltrumite.

ArsenalSFX

2025-02-21 01:03:34 +0000 UTC

So if he makes a clear judgement not to kill will you change your stance?

CentipedeKid

2025-02-21 00:59:38 +0000 UTC

Yes. And I've seen you reply to everyone in the comment section so I know you disagree. Simple follow-up question: In every variant of the DC universe, something causes the Joker to become the Joker. He doesn't just materialize out of thin air. The Joker exists as an answer to the corruption of Gotham, just like Batman. So would you recommend wiping Gotham off the face of the Earth to keep the Joker from ever existing?

Cole J. Rotahusi

2025-02-21 00:58:42 +0000 UTC

He's clearly on the break through that not all life is equal but he's being taught shit in absolutes

CentipedeKid

2025-02-21 00:58:36 +0000 UTC

electro getting that ferocious hot meat

KingKai _

2025-02-21 00:57:36 +0000 UTC

fair, but at least itll be a 3 weeks from now issue

jaelindumpling

2025-02-21 00:57:19 +0000 UTC

Ya like some others said, the maulers had a heavy stun gun this time. If they killed people back there I would have understood. What makes it worse is what they were trying to do. Even if they said they wanted to kill the guardians they didn't even after low diffing them. And the missile they wanted to launch would only be a large emp. So while I would have agreed to kill them in other scenarios this time wasn't it. 44:10 Also sheera I can't let that slide. If I see some kid break my bro/clones jaw like that Im gna make sure to knock him out and If I have to toss them like a ragdoll ima do it. And no he was mainly confused about how to feel about it. He wants to understand but doesn't feel the same way at least he loves his family and cares for his friends but thats kinda it. Like what they said in the show the first guy might have been an accident. but the 2nd one was clear what he wanted to do.

Keondodge

2025-02-21 00:57:03 +0000 UTC

in season 1 they ripped that one guards arm off im not sure if he died or not tho

Trey Milliner-Williams

2025-02-21 00:55:46 +0000 UTC

Why they keep thinking the two soldiers died lol

Kwame Braithwaite

2025-02-21 00:54:35 +0000 UTC

The crew continues to be stubborn on the killing rule. we have to realize that when heroes get into the mind frame that they can just take lives they all go down that road of going to far. Once you start abusing power its pretty hard to stop and its easy to slip into a dictator role. Look at the viltrumites, they think what they do is just because they are ending hardships but they ignore committing genocide as a ends justify the means mentality. Also Oliver was very much not upset or sorry for taking their lives he was upset Mark was yelling at him for it.

Trey Milliner-Williams

2025-02-21 00:53:07 +0000 UTC

Lupa: "Yeah, Damian?" The Robin thing is pretty on the nose.

DevilMayCarter

2025-02-21 00:52:51 +0000 UTC

Could say the same thing about Omni man, and yet

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:51:09 +0000 UTC

Its really weird what this show is doing to me, cause I agree with killing supervillains but the Mauler twins were geniuses who had plenty of uses, because they don't go out of their way to kill people. Even in this episode the gun attacked the nervous system, basically a super-charged taser that I think just incapacitates (not kill) people and superheroes alike. Even the robot kid, the one who got a body now (Rudy?) Who is the brains of the super heroes in Teen Team and Guardians of the Globe needed the Mauler twins' help to get his consciousness copied into Rex's clone's body... Like the Mauler twins were legit geniuses who coulda been used to help the heroes with advanced tech if they had cut some sort of deal with them, lol.

Drake Rage

2025-02-21 00:51:01 +0000 UTC

Key point "This episode"

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:50:20 +0000 UTC

Let my boy roshi cook

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:49:14 +0000 UTC

Will you say this about the joker?

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:48:38 +0000 UTC

Yes they have but right now in this very moment nobody died or was gonna die and the first mauler the was an accident the second one could be imprisoned in a cell where nobody can free that mf eventually we'll find a way to cage em for good do some shit like the did in Korra for those criminals lmao

Bacardi Giovanetty

2025-02-21 00:47:55 +0000 UTC

As part of the hostage release deal, two redhead brothers, one still a baby, and a 4 year old, returned to Israel in coffins, dead.

I VisiBomb I

2025-02-21 00:46:14 +0000 UTC

Emps can still skill people. Some electronics in the hospital

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:44:40 +0000 UTC

Sheera: "He's gonna have to get hurt." Ah yes, the viltrumite method of parenting. Lol.

Gwyn

2025-02-21 00:44:11 +0000 UTC

Yes I know but that means he hasn't been to infinite realities. Statistically impossible to be the only one ever

Bob Loblaw

2025-02-21 00:43:42 +0000 UTC

Couldn't destroying global communication lead to deaths?

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:42:34 +0000 UTC

We are hereeeeeeee

hofvnova

2025-02-21 00:42:13 +0000 UTC

In the grand scheme of things it's really not. It's a matter of perspective

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:41:43 +0000 UTC

They agreed at the end that it was bad but the way mark handled is what their issue was

hanzorefrost

2025-02-21 00:41:03 +0000 UTC

But they've killed people before

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:40:56 +0000 UTC

Peanut butter jelly sandwiches with just jelly. 😅

The Lonely One

2025-02-21 00:40:45 +0000 UTC

Oliver is a buddin psychopath imo and idc what nobody say: 1. He killed BOTH Maulers on purpose. Not one by accident & the 2nd on purpose. Both. On purpose. After he killed the 1st one he said "this is what happens to bad guys". A clear indication it was intentional 2. He killed the 2nd one even tho he had surrended & responded with "too late". Again, a clear indication of an intentional choice. But even tho he killed both on purpose, Oliver IMMEDIATELY turned to lying by saying it was an accident when confronted by Immortal. 3. He admitted to not seeing value in human life. That is a complete lack of empathy. 4. He already sees humans as beneath him as we can clearly see by the way he said "they're just NORMAL" A child of his age already not valuing human life, already having a superiority mindset, already being willing to both kill intentionally & then being quick to follow that up by immediately attempting to manipulate the adults around him by claiming it was an accident is a PROBLEM. That is a psychopath. Hes a viltrumite thru & thru in my opinion and i for one wont be surprised if he joins the Viltrumite empire when they come. i think we're gonna see more of Oliver doing shit but hiding it since now he knows that his mindset is not normal. I dont trust him

Alexis Sullivan

2025-02-21 00:40:28 +0000 UTC

Roshi Mark will understand just wait a few episodes

bleach

2025-02-21 00:40:06 +0000 UTC

Its also like when a baby smacks the shit out of you and it actually hurts same with oliver he doesnt know his own strength

Casual

2025-02-21 00:39:11 +0000 UTC

Just have self control

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:38:39 +0000 UTC

The Maulers needed to be put down or reprogrammed like Sinclair and Darkwing but to be fair, they did NOT kill anyone this time. They clearly said the gun was a stun gun meant to disrupt their nervous system and that was not a missile, it was an EMP meant to knock out communications so they could charge people to use the new comms system they built. Thats why they said theyre businessmen now but a literal 10 year old is not the person who should be making the call to kill someone

Alexis Sullivan

2025-02-21 00:37:27 +0000 UTC

Hey at least they are only robbing banks. The no kill rule is straight ass

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:37:16 +0000 UTC

Immortal: "we are the greatest heroes in the world" gets absolutely low diffed by the twins the very next episode.

Trey Milliner-Williams

2025-02-21 00:36:47 +0000 UTC

Exactly. I can understand justifying this specific scenario because it was the Mauler Twins who have historically been evil, but we need to look at the bigger picture. What happens when Oliver decides to kill someone who's only 20% as bad, without having the discernment to consider their motives? That was the whole point of the silent opening with the bank robbing couple - to show why perspective and context for someone's actions is important. Mark and Debbie absolutely needed to check him - it's a slippery slope. Debbie cooked when she said that just because you don't know or care about a stranger doesn't mean their life doesn't matter.

Sydney

2025-02-21 00:35:56 +0000 UTC

Batmans no kill rule is straight ass. He is responsible for everybody the joker has killed. Batman is a pussy bruh

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:35:04 +0000 UTC

1. immortal wasnt being overdramtic like how you and sheera saying how he acted. yall the one doing too much on that part.

Luhbabytay

2025-02-21 00:34:05 +0000 UTC

Nah Sheera the whole conversation was about him not seeing life as precious and could be easily thrown away. The twins part was done at that point and for most people they agreed with him

Casual

2025-02-21 00:33:57 +0000 UTC

Have the Mauler twins ever even killed anyone tbh? I'm pretty sure we've only seen them push each other into death's way

Sunny

2025-02-21 00:32:58 +0000 UTC

That's what I'm saying. They have to allow him to continue being a hero while also having rules for him so he has room to mature. It would probably happen naturally as he encounters all different types of "villains". He just needs someone to guide him and be understanding.

Dimple Trauma

2025-02-21 00:32:48 +0000 UTC

Agree with Roshi, the comic book bs of PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED, is just so old and stupid. There are just some people that don't deserve life anymore, especially the Maulers after this incident. I only saw one comment saying it, but for anyone else thinking it, look up how dangerous an EMP explosion is. The loss of life from plane crashes alone would make Al Qaeda blush.

Fenpai

2025-02-21 00:32:24 +0000 UTC

Nigga said "bugg boy" 😭

Alex zander

2025-02-21 00:31:43 +0000 UTC

Mark has a valid reason to be mad at his mom she out her exposing personal shit and her outing his real name could literally get her and mark and eve in danger so he has a valid reason to be mad

Casual

2025-02-21 00:31:04 +0000 UTC

Not only did Oliver LIE about feeling bad and it being an accident, but let's also remember this universes Mark is the ONLY good version of Mark. Viltrumites are UNEMPATHETIC NARCISSISTS and Oliver's other half is a BUG not even human. Oliver didn't "switch up." He started saying the quiet part outloud.

Zeklo

2025-02-21 00:30:19 +0000 UTC

dont worry roshi we agree this just comic book superhero logic

Luhbabytay

2025-02-21 00:30:17 +0000 UTC

Mark is making Cecil’s case in this episode

Frederick

2025-02-21 00:29:28 +0000 UTC

the issue isnt that he killed them its that he has 0 regard for life

Burn-Out 23

2025-02-21 00:28:01 +0000 UTC

Boy Sheera takes get worse and worse the more shows I watch them react to…

William Tippen

2025-02-21 00:23:39 +0000 UTC

Ended up looking it up, and here it is straight from congress.gov themselves "Nuclear weapon EMPs are most catastrophic when a nuclear weapon is detonated at a high altitude at approximately 30 kilometers, or 20 miles, above the intended target area". It was in the atmosphere still, so the area really should've been EMPd too afaik?

Anon7524

2025-02-21 00:22:57 +0000 UTC

Woooow look at y’all’s dumb ass logic from last episodes discussion? Lmao bug boy was raised on earth as well Sheera

William Tippen

2025-02-21 00:21:30 +0000 UTC

I think the reason Mark and his mom are going so hard on Oliver is because they have to nip crazy shit early. They know full well that he’s a viltrumite, and the planet cannot afford another one with the viltrumite mindset.

bombasticmrfox

2025-02-21 00:19:54 +0000 UTC

The thing about this stance in superhero media is the fact that it's not black and white. Take Batman for instance. He always says that the thought of killing Joker crosses his mind every time, but every time it does, he denies it, because he's afraid that if he crosses that threshold, there's no going back. Look what happened to Superman in Injustice. Joker tricked him into offing Lois and his unborn child PLUS millions of people in Metropolis with the nuke. That trauma turned one of the most boy scout, sense of justice superheroes into a tyrannical dictator who killed without prejudice or remorse. Taking life changes people. The only thing you have to ask yourself is, do you have the self control and discipline to know when is the appropriate time to become judge, jury, and executioner?

Jeremiah Neely

2025-02-21 00:18:50 +0000 UTC

They do know Oliver was lying right?

Jcek Ap

2025-02-21 00:17:44 +0000 UTC

Also, would've been great if Gohan/Goten mirrored Mark/Oliver. There are enough parallels...

DevilMayCarter

2025-02-21 00:16:35 +0000 UTC

I'm so glad somebody else clocked all that

Nsfwork

2025-02-21 00:15:51 +0000 UTC

He'll be Mark's age in like, 3 weeks. lol.

Jeremiah Neely

2025-02-21 00:14:18 +0000 UTC

Sheera advocating for a child to murder criminals is kinda crazy I'm ngl. If it was mark who is proportionally older, yes. But Oliver is a KID! He doesn't need to get exposed to that kind of emotional baggage that comes with taking a life.

TheOGDaffy

2025-02-21 00:13:44 +0000 UTC

Made by the same guy who created Cowboy Bebop too. Classic.

Jeremiah Neely

2025-02-21 00:12:39 +0000 UTC

So like actual question based off my singular reference point of "Zankyuuo no Terror (Terror in Resonance)", shouldn't the nuke going off in the atmosphere still cause an interference issue? Also highly recommend that anime too, it's a great short single season anime that has a beautiful OST and OG plot for the most part

Anon7524

2025-02-21 00:08:06 +0000 UTC

Oliver said sum “It was an accident I didn’t mean to kill them” Mane you little piece of shit you knew damn well what you was doin 😂😂

Boogie's Games

2025-02-21 00:07:45 +0000 UTC

Mark got his own version of the symbiote suit 😤

Casual

2025-02-21 00:05:52 +0000 UTC

I'm team Oliver

R Blass

2025-02-21 00:05:02 +0000 UTC

Except he explicitly states his belief that life isn’t precious. Oliver has a child’s view of the world, morality, etc. He essentially is asserting his belief that if he deems you a bad guy, you deserve death. And obviously that’s not the mindset you want from a person with his kind of power.

zkdglo

2025-02-21 00:04:09 +0000 UTC

Regardless of how y'all feel about the whole "no killing" rule, it is objectively a bad thing to get a (mentally) 10 year-old super child who has the blood of a violent alien race running through his veins so used to killing those he disagrees with

Phroug

2025-02-21 00:03:10 +0000 UTC

Naw Oliver dont listen he need a whooping.

Stanley

2025-02-21 00:02:52 +0000 UTC

Rex really grew on me he up their with the better characters of this show

Casual

2025-02-21 00:00:25 +0000 UTC

I'll never agree with killing Villains only cause you're not stopping the problem a new Villain even if all they do is small shit like rob banks will always appear at that point you're just serial killer but for bad guys so basically Dexter

Kisuke01

2025-02-20 23:58:58 +0000 UTC

I feel like you guys are missing something though. Obviously killing someone doesn’t always mean someone will lose it but it’s definitely worrying to have little regard about ending a life whether there a villain or not and once you know you’re capable of something it can create that false sense of “oh this is something I can do again”

Gyatt100

2025-02-20 23:58:52 +0000 UTC

When it comes to "lying" and telling the truth, we've already seen examples of both being done half-haphazardly. Mark wanted to be honest about the Eve thing but like Will said, "too much honesty." And he "almost" fumbled that situation. Everybody seems to be on the same page with Oliver and his actions. Even if real life, kids have more of an understanding of moral compasses like lying than they would have you believe.

DevilMayCarter

2025-02-20 23:57:17 +0000 UTC

Oliver has clearly never been hit with the belt smh

Krype

2025-02-20 23:55:47 +0000 UTC

Damn, looks like a contingency plan wasn't needed whatsoever as Mark has never once actually wanted to kill Cecil, as per usual

Phroug

2025-02-20 23:55:16 +0000 UTC

A. Cecil's agency is responsible for keeping the supervillains locked away, so heroes aren't really to blame unless they just suck and can't get the mauler twins. B. The maulers weren't going out to actually kill anyone, they just want to profit after destroying global communication using an EMP (it wasn't a nuke). C. Oliver is a 100% alien >>TWO YEAR OLD<<, he has not had a normal childhood with normal experiences that generate a natural person's viewpoints, opinions and preferences. He has ZERO morals, and will go with whatever feels right in the moment without critically thinking. He is a prime example of why Cecil is deathly afraid of Viltrumites. The only reason he hasn't massacred anyone is because he is in the presence of someone who can contain him. D. Mark being "annoying" by saying no one should be killed, saved the entire Earth when he wouldn't give up against Omni-man even when beaten within an inch of his life. He's naive, yet stubborn and dedicated to the people he protects and co-exists with even at the cost of his life. (I admit though, it does get quite stale when his only argument is 'YOU KILL?!?!? WHY! WHY! WHY!')

Moon God

2025-02-20 23:53:01 +0000 UTC

The missile wouldn't have killed anyone it was an emp and the maulers didn't kill those civilians they just electrocuted them non-lethal

Bacardi Giovanetty

2025-02-20 23:52:19 +0000 UTC

Ngl idc that oliver killed the villains its that he says that the humans lives arent special like ight bro say that to your mom

Casual

2025-02-20 23:50:21 +0000 UTC

But the intentions for their EMP was to make money not kill people. That why the twins used the line “We’re worse than villians, we’re businessmen”

Jordan Best

2025-02-20 23:49:46 +0000 UTC

An EMP can easily shutdown airplane electronics, causing major disasters around the impacted area. Could also stop your car from running making you lose control, and in the US yea thats pretty fucking bad.

Fenpai

2025-02-20 23:48:11 +0000 UTC

You guys are understanding, it’s not that Oliver killed, it’s that he killed and lied about it with no remorse

George

2025-02-20 23:48:11 +0000 UTC

Agree with Roshi that sometimes you just have to put supervillains down permanently. Disagree with killing the 2nd Mauler twin after he surrendered, but I can understand where the argument is coming from. The bigger issue is that Oliver doesn't seem to be emotionally fazed by killing at all at such a young age. That's how you end up with some Brightburn shit. Kid lacks basic empathy, which is a dangerous mix with that kind of power. He says he understands and would care if Debbie died, but the scary thought is that he could be lying; I'm not a comics reader but I would not be shocked if he pulled a "You're not my mom" and did something horrible to Debbie after one too many scoldings.

Gilthwixt

2025-02-20 23:46:25 +0000 UTC

huh? What matters is maturing mentally not physically.

User5501

2025-02-20 23:44:20 +0000 UTC

@naa He seems to have those tendencies inside himself. in the first season when Mark was getting jump by Machine heads goons, Battle beast brought it outta him. It happened again a few more times. In the next season. It's like a kid Gohan crash out.

Jamaal Ellison

2025-02-20 23:43:02 +0000 UTC

I think y'all need to remember Oliver isn't human. He's a bug viltrumite mix. His mind works fundamentally different than ours or even standard viltrumites. He's born biologically a utilitarian

Moonbane8

2025-02-20 23:42:09 +0000 UTC

I’m with you roshi

Michael Kaiser

2025-02-20 23:38:56 +0000 UTC

Sheera please stop screaming at the TV, imma lose my hearing

JJ

2025-02-20 23:37:38 +0000 UTC

Mark says in 3x2 he thinks about killing angstrom and that he feels bad about it everyday even tho he 100% deserve it

Jhonde Holmes-Ward

2025-02-20 23:37:19 +0000 UTC

Sometimes in response to what?

DsWorldd •

2025-02-20 23:36:07 +0000 UTC

Shiiiit i mean it's better that than nothing. You can't keep him from this superhero shit because it's gonna make him even more insistent about it. Ideally he should be 20+ before he makes those types of decisions but we don't have time to wait around for that. Best option is to implement some rules and hope that as he matures he just naturally learns his limits. Plus they said he's aging slower now because of his Viltrumite genes so I'm assuming he's aging like a regular child now. Could be wrong.

Dimple Trauma

2025-02-20 23:35:31 +0000 UTC

I don’t care that Oliver killed them I care that he lied about it. He lied. Again. That’s the problem.

Teyon Alexander

2025-02-20 23:34:45 +0000 UTC

Yh the mauler twins only really kill ppl that get in their way, all their crimes are science related they just steal stuff not murderer ppl en mass

Fred_D3

2025-02-20 23:33:56 +0000 UTC

“You don’t understand..this is ketchup”

DsWorldd •

2025-02-20 23:33:54 +0000 UTC

Amber ain’t even done anything this season? Yall can’t still be tight over season 1 amber😭

DsWorldd •

2025-02-20 23:31:01 +0000 UTC

Sheera, Oliver lied about feeling bad. He had no remorse about killing them. The missile was EMP, it wasn’t meant for killing people but to shut down electronics

Jordan Best

2025-02-20 23:29:50 +0000 UTC

i think it’s more so the fact that oliver is thinking like this so early. he’s too young to just be okay with casual murder

jaelindumpling

2025-02-20 23:29:13 +0000 UTC

Fr

Rodrigo Rendon

2025-02-20 23:28:16 +0000 UTC

Then they wanna flame Daniel larusso for wearing only blue😂

DsWorldd •

2025-02-20 23:27:57 +0000 UTC

Lol, hey mister, no killing until you're 16! Which will probably be tomorrow.

LC

2025-02-20 23:26:21 +0000 UTC

They're not mad at Oliver for killing the Maulers exactly, Mark literally says "you can't kill people AND ACT LIKE ITS NO BIG DEAL" Sheera said at some point that Oliver did feel bad and WAS saying sorry for killing them, erm, play the tapes back, he LIED about it being an accident then said "but that doesn't matter because they can't hurt anyone anymore so who cares!" Mark isnt exactly mad at the killing, just the MINDSET.

Mruker

2025-02-20 23:21:45 +0000 UTC

In real life we have a higher capacity to harm and protect than children, so we have the option to not leave judgment to them. Oliver is probably the second most powerful being on earth, so this is an exceptional case. What happens in a situation where Oliver may have to kill to survive and/or protect? Unfortunately, as someone who's going to try being a superhero regardless of what Mark or Debbie tell him, he doesn't have the luxury of not understanding these things.

Raven86

2025-02-20 23:21:28 +0000 UTC

What happened today?

George

2025-02-20 23:21:17 +0000 UTC

The reason we don't want heroes to kill is that life is more complex than just "good" and "evil". If you kill a "bad guy", there are a lot of questions that come up: 1. Who decides it's a "bad guy"? 2. Will this bad guy's death lead to the unnecessary suffering of innocent people? 3. Was this bad guy reacting to another bad guy? If so, why didn't you stop the other bad guy before now? 4. Is the bad guy a part of a larger public-serving organization? If so, will you repair the organization's structure so it stops producing bad guys? A lot of heroes don't ask these questions because they're not actually interested in improving society. They're interested in the feeling that comes from believing you are and having other people believe it too. And the easiest way to believe something is to avoid asking deeper questions. This isn't to say that heroes aren't useful. I'm just saying that any hero who doesn't think critically shouldn't get the privilege of killing anyone. Period.

Cole J. Rotahusi

2025-02-20 23:19:33 +0000 UTC

idk if its a coincidence, but gotta say, appreciate the orange shirts, today was a sad day.

I VisiBomb I

2025-02-20 23:18:13 +0000 UTC

No more run the jewels bgm

Steve Harvey Dent

2025-02-20 23:18:05 +0000 UTC

I agree with Oliver too I think what Debbie and Mark are trying to do is making him understand that because he's a little kid he shouldn't treat taking someone's life regardless of whether they were bad and good as a not a big deal. Mark and Debbie are so traumatised with Nolan killing thousands of people like they're bugs that when they have a child like Oliver who has these powers they are scared of him turning out like Nolan so they are trying to teach him morals first especially because he is so young and once he has a good understanding that it shouldn't be a norm for killing people whether they are bad and good they can teach him when it is justified or not. I just think they are trying to be super careful because they know that if he treats it like it's nothing at this age then what will he feel when he gets older? It's unknown so they want to be super cautious with him which I get.

KS Neelesh

2025-02-20 23:16:51 +0000 UTC

this is why we don't let roshi have powers

Daniel Turner

2025-02-20 23:16:14 +0000 UTC

Naw they might have to make Oliver look at the flowers bro. That lil nigga is defective 😂😂😂

Jazz Rivers

2025-02-20 23:16:07 +0000 UTC

A 1 year old simply doesn't have the empathy required to even understand severity of crimes. That's why we don't leave judgement calls to children, and it's why children shows typically have blanket statement messages. You need to establish a baseline before you can start teaching nuance. Oliver needs to first understand that killing is wrong in general at a baseline before he can be taught when he's a lot older that sometimes killing is necessary.

George

2025-02-20 23:15:11 +0000 UTC

Nigga roshi talking about he with it till that nigga Oliver started talking like Omni man now he like hold up now nah nigga keep that energy you just had 😂

Kingmakaii

2025-02-20 23:14:58 +0000 UTC

I agree that the Mauler twins def needed a permanent nap, but I think the reason Mark and Debby are so against Oliver doing it is because Oliver is a CHILD and should not be killing anyone. The Mauler twins should have died but it should have been Mark, not Oliver. He's too young to make those kinds of decisions, and whilst the Mauler twins had to go in this scenario, what if Oliver sees someone stealing a candy bar and decides to punch them through their skull or smth

grxxn

2025-02-20 23:12:20 +0000 UTC

the only time Mark wasn't holding back this episode was when he used his real speed to catch up to Oliver

Ablackuchiha

2025-02-20 23:11:42 +0000 UTC

Also the twins literally killed nobody this episode(probably besides Kate's clones), their plan was on some Dr. Doofenshimirtz shit.

Aniki Pft

2025-02-20 23:10:14 +0000 UTC

Debbie and Mark putting Oliver in the grown folks' business was the first problem. He's too young right now to be fighting with Mark and he needs to be taught MORALS first. Killing out of necessity is different because obviously you don't have a choice atp, but killing should not be the default, especially for Oliver. I know he's an alien so I try not to look at it too much from the lens of a human being, but him using killing as an automatic default is a concern for sure. He's just too young to be doing any of that right now and he doesn't listen which makes it ten times worse.

Des Bethea

2025-02-20 23:09:48 +0000 UTC

41:50 Damn sounds like a contingency plan would have helped there. The difference is Cecil doesn't have powers like Mark to contain a Viltrumite

Omar Bautista

2025-02-20 23:08:44 +0000 UTC

This trope in any sort of superhero content can be interesting to explore but it can also be tiresome especially when it boils down to the same thing of the whole “it’s a slippery slope…” argument. That’s the whole premise behind Injustice with Superman. I do like this debate when it comes to characters like Superman and Invincible because often times when you have these godlike characters who are the strongest in their universe, you run into this idea that the greatest power of these characters isn’t in their actual physical power, it’s their ability to show restraint and control and only going all out when it’s absolutely necessary because they are aware that their full power can cause insurmountable damage to everything and everyone around them. That’s why a character like Cecil does what he does because he witnessed the horror of what a Viltrumite can do when they don’t hold back. They’re damn near unstoppable. Who can stand up to a literal god who doesn’t value human life and will do whatever they want without a second thought?

Nick Vaughn

2025-02-20 23:07:39 +0000 UTC

Cook bro, keep cooking.

Aniki Pft

2025-02-20 23:07:13 +0000 UTC

Killing the twins isn’t the problem. It’s how indifferent Oliver is to killing. Taking a life isn’t something to shrug off especially so for a child powers or not. He talks about it as if it’s nothing. Mark is so traumatized by his father effortlessly killing people that he’s so set on trying to not be that. When you have a child with powers like Omni man you have to be very careful how you raise them on morality and humanity. It’s easy to justify killing the villains but we shouldn’t gloss over the fact that Oliver brutally murdered the twins and then proceeded to lie about it and make it seem like no big deal.

Moisty Justice

2025-02-20 23:06:10 +0000 UTC

@naa Difference is Mark lived among humans his entire life. I do somewhat agree with Chris but you put any Viltrumite in Mark's position they'll most likely turn out like him. I think it's a matter of what you're exposed too.

Aniki Pft

2025-02-20 23:05:51 +0000 UTC

exactly!

Des Bethea

2025-02-20 23:04:48 +0000 UTC

yea Oliver is manipulative as fuck and bad as hell LMAOOOO

Des Bethea

2025-02-20 23:04:22 +0000 UTC

Oliver was unfortunately cooking this episode. Howeverrrr, he is still a child, and murdering people no matter how bad they are should not be a part of his routine until he's at least 16. There will be grey areas where the villain may or may not be as objectively bad as the Mauler twins, and he doesn't have the capacity nor the willingness at this point in his life to make those types of discernments. Now if it was Oliver who was arguing with Cecil last episode, then I would've understood Cecil's actions. Oliver has no emotional attachment to anyone but his family, and he's just as strong as Mark while also being a child. That is some actual scary shit. That being said, the Guardians are trash and they need to pack this "life is precious" bullshit up immediately. Some niggas deserve to die and that's the truth.

Dimple Trauma

2025-02-20 23:04:17 +0000 UTC

Bro please let this Amber shit rest, it's been years oh my fucking god.

Aniki Pft

2025-02-20 23:03:02 +0000 UTC

Ok but that’s still a big part to just cut.

XvjackvX122

2025-02-20 23:02:48 +0000 UTC

I think its important to remember that the twins didn't actually kill those two guards; their new gun just stuns all nervous systems. It didn't kill Kate, whose just a normal human with the ability to copy herself. Oliver is definitely manipulative. Don't forget, he killed the twins on purpose, only to say it was an accident a second later. He lied about his powers, only to make Mark promise to train him once he had them, then showed 'em. He's a sneaky little shit.

CaptainFlowers

2025-02-20 23:02:16 +0000 UTC

Roshi there's two post credit scenes after the episode

ShaquanVirse

2025-02-20 23:01:46 +0000 UTC

That's a fair point. But if that's the case Mark and Debbie need to take it upon themselves to explain to the 1 year old the varying severity of crimes. Blanket statements like "We don't kill", especially in the situation they were both in aren't helping anybody. In Oliver's mind, attacking to kill was the only way he saw to defend Mark and himself there...

Raven86

2025-02-20 23:01:12 +0000 UTC

Robert Kirkman the original writer is actively using the show to make changes to things he regretted or wanted to back then. So that’s most likely why

Moisty Justice

2025-02-20 22:59:43 +0000 UTC

Yeah if it was up to Oliver, he would've killed those people that were robbing the bank at the beginning of the episode with no remorse. That's the type of logic he's operating on. The moment he puts you down as a "bad person," you're cooked. As someone else said, Oliver is what Cecil thinks Mark is like.

George

2025-02-20 22:59:19 +0000 UTC

I hate stories like this where the hero will LITERALLY put the villains in jail MUTIPLE times and CLEARY they’re not taking that punishment seriously ts is just spawn point for them. At that point the hero’s are just being irresponsible for letting this guys live these niggas don’t care bout jail KILL THEM

Jesse Hill

2025-02-20 22:59:13 +0000 UTC

mauler twins deserved to die, but mark is right for trying to teach oliver the weight that killing has. oliver and mark are practically gods walking amongst men, so its important to teach oliver YOUNG some harsh morals so he doesnt go off the deep end. kinda like atreus in GOW 2018

melloburner

2025-02-20 22:59:09 +0000 UTC

Also, is it not odd to hold the standpoint of Cecil being correct in rehabilitating serial killers but then saying the Mauler Twins of all people need to die? Sinclair's actions were 100 times worse than what we've seen of the Maulers. I'm not sure why he didn't, but I'm sure Cecil would've loved to put them on payroll and would've brought them in alive if Oliver wasn't there. I agree that some people just need to go, but the people that need to die and the people that Cecil are employing are one and the same.

George

2025-02-20 22:56:14 +0000 UTC

i agree dont sympathise with murderers but that isn't what Oliver said. He is saying bad guys need to die, regardless of the seriousness of their crime. He says himself that's what happens when you're bad. He is a child he has next to no ounce of nuance or understanding that doing bad things doesn't always mean you are a bad guy. So to him, all bad guys are as bad as the twins and their lives aren't precious.

Lin Fei

2025-02-20 22:55:57 +0000 UTC

Nah but the dude holds back WAY too much. Like, I feel like there has gotta be a happy medium between "Instakill" and "Marshmallow Hands". And what part of "Holding back" involves him getting bodied by the mauler twins when Oliver can low diff them lmao.

Golden Pants

2025-02-20 22:54:32 +0000 UTC

I think the problem and concern wasn't that Oliver killed but it's that Oliver doesn't mind killing. It's one thing to kill from necessity, it's another to have killing as your default and to justify it by a imposing a level of worth or worthlessness to others as you see fit. Oliver been talking like this, he said just kill Cecil last episode. It's concerning for someone, especially a child, to have death as an immediate solution and its more concerning when they have the pwoer ot live up to it. To Oliver, taking a life doesn't require nuance and isn't a heavy decision that has ramifications to consider and carry. It's just black and white. Bad guy (which can easily mean being someone I don't like or value) means you can die.

Dous Dous

2025-02-20 22:53:15 +0000 UTC

I don't really agree with the notion that Oliver said some crazy shit after cooking is due to bad writing. It is because of the mixture of the ideals of Mark and Debbie plus Omni Man. its because he has the superiority ideals of omni man combined with the heroism ideals of mark. Thats why he can cook and then say some deranged shit after. It might have some influence of the comic bs ideals but I think its mainly because Oliver believes both Omni Man and Mark are right but is also choosing which parts he thinks are right. To him the human race is foolish and kill each other all the time from the viewpoint of an alien that was told of omni mans beliefs. but he also wants to be a hero and save lives and protect the innocent because of mark being a super hero and both debbie and marks ideals.

Lin Fei

2025-02-20 22:52:42 +0000 UTC

What’s funny is that Oliver with this logic would most likely kill and not care about any type of villain including does like the couple at the beginning but yh sure let the kid do what he does .

ThatOneGuy

2025-02-20 22:52:17 +0000 UTC

I high-key agree with Oliver. Why are we sympathizing with murderers? Those twins have taken countless lives so it's perfectly justified that they lose theirs before they take any more...

Raven86

2025-02-20 22:50:54 +0000 UTC

You saw the explosion and know that it still would kill thousands. Defending super terrorist is crazy.

CentipedeKid

2025-02-20 22:50:33 +0000 UTC

It’s not unrealistic for Oliver to not have any regard for human life he is literally half bug half viltrumite and has no connection to humans outside of mark and Debbie his perception is very different than a normal kid and with his people living such short life’s there culture is based of the development of their world as a whole being most important and individuals life’s as a singular not mattering in the grand scheme of things so also sees humans as selfish in a way only caring for them selfs and it’s not brought up in the show but in the comic panels he mentions he can remember everything from his birth to now

Jake Dodd

2025-02-20 22:50:23 +0000 UTC

Bro literally there should be no reason that you should be teaching a kid that some people deserve to die with powers like invincible and he shouldn’t be killing people at all at his age. Yes the should’ve died but the kid should’ve listened. The mindset the kid had was transforming to into Omni mans old mindset. So yeah some people should get packed up, but killing the mauler twins is something Oliver SHOULD NOT DO. The more you kill, the easier it is to kill, and that creates something in you. Batman said it himself, he doesn’t kill at all cause the moment he does, he won’t be able to stop

RedXNinja

2025-02-20 22:50:16 +0000 UTC

Argument as old as time 'Why doesn't Batman just kill the joker?', as Lupa has been preaching, its been answered in Injustice, its always a slippery slope.

MrOuijaII

2025-02-20 22:49:57 +0000 UTC

Roshi's point about villains or bad guys coming back could be applied to literally ANY superhero now. This isn't some brand new rule like cmon now? Obviously Mark doesn't want to kill, and thinks Oliver shouldn't. It's fine to be against it but like heroes have been doing this shit since I was in my dad's nutsack, what's the shocker?

Aniki Pft

2025-02-20 22:48:38 +0000 UTC

I'm with Mark about his mom telling his secret identity to other people because at the end of the day it's his secret to tell, she could've ran it by him first.

Devin B

2025-02-20 22:47:22 +0000 UTC

Multi Paul tried to kill Rex a hero Oliver dispatched 2 people that tried to set off a missile and killed multiple people not really a fair comparison

Jake Dodd

2025-02-20 22:44:30 +0000 UTC

"PUT CECIL DOWN, INVINCIBLE!!" Said Imortal to the shampoo bottles in the shower

Attic

2025-02-20 22:43:17 +0000 UTC

I agree they needed to die, but i'll miss those 2, they were hilarious 😂

aegismk2

2025-02-20 22:42:13 +0000 UTC

Exactly

naa

2025-02-20 22:41:29 +0000 UTC

Oliver is only upset that Mark and Debbie is upset. Killing the Mauler's was no accident, and he was not remotely sorry for it. I really don't think it's a hot take that this literal child should not be judge, jury, and executioner based on his definition of "bad people." Due process is a thing for a reason.

George

2025-02-20 22:41:14 +0000 UTC

Ahh yes, the blue suit. The Era of Pain begins.

Gwyn

2025-02-20 22:40:39 +0000 UTC

I get everyone's points about how what Oliver did might have been justified. But the point that Invincible and the mom were trying to make was that it shouldn't be a literal child doing the killing. Children should not have that on their plate and definitely can't be trusted to kill villains responsibly. It's too risky. They won't know the difference between a situation that can be solved by just knocking someone out and actually killing. Especially when it comes to how strong Oliver is. I blame this issue on poor writing. But I'm going to side with Invincible and the mom on this one. It's too bad they couldn't explain their point to Oliver better. But then again, how do you explain that killing is only sometimes ok to a child. In their head, they'll use that excuse to kill all the time.

Co

2025-02-20 22:40:05 +0000 UTC

But my RTJ 😭 (I'm sure they'll be back somehow)

Mervyn Larrier

2025-02-20 22:39:27 +0000 UTC

Just to clarify: that wasn't a nuke anymore. The Maulers removed the warhead and replaced it with their own, one specifically designed to only release an EMP and destroy telecoms systems. It wasn't going to kill anybody. They didn't actually kill anyone this time. They basically shut them down by overloading their nervous systems. They were knocked out, but alive. If that weapon was lethal to normal humans, all the Kate clones would've been dead. This was lowkey the fewest number of bodies we've ever seen the Maulers catch.

Mervyn Larrier

2025-02-20 22:38:48 +0000 UTC

the comics made the suit look so much better, the animation style just makes it look flat

Fuji

2025-02-20 22:38:37 +0000 UTC

Not only that, Oliver is literally chronologically 1 year old. He's 10 physically and somewhat mentally, but his empathy is on the same level as a toddler's. Encouraging this behavior this young when he cannot even develop a nuanced view of the world will cause him to start killing anybody that inconveniences him. Him saying "Life is not precious" is a red flag for someone that hasn't been on the earth for even a double digit amount of age

George

2025-02-20 22:38:36 +0000 UTC

Nah Roshi the show didn’t switch up his position at all lol

naa

2025-02-20 22:38:32 +0000 UTC

Are you guys paying attention ? It was a emp not a bomb. And those guards aren’t dead they got shot with a nerve gun if anything they are stunned in a corner somewhere but the main problem is that a kid is killing people he deemed to be bad. Having a kid play god is one of the main problems the show is trying to tell you.

KingDom

2025-02-20 22:38:16 +0000 UTC

Comics don’t agree about this but clearly the comic movies do since 8/10 villains die at the end of their movie 🎥

Justin Spencer

2025-02-20 22:37:17 +0000 UTC

yeah very interesting how they cut that out

Fuji

2025-02-20 22:36:21 +0000 UTC

Oh shit he was

bleach

2025-02-20 22:35:45 +0000 UTC

I don't know why they did this but at 42:58 when Oliver asked Mark if "Maybe Dad was right?" in the comics Mark agrees with Oliver I don't know why they cut it out.

XvjackvX122

2025-02-20 22:32:53 +0000 UTC

you gotta remember mark holds back heavy when he fights to not kill them

Fuji

2025-02-20 22:32:23 +0000 UTC

Yeah Mark needs a code like Dexter

ShaquanVirse

2025-02-20 22:31:58 +0000 UTC

One interesting thing that happened in the comic but not in the show is that in the scene where Oliver asks “do you sometimes think Dad was right” Mark is silent for a moment but then whispers under his breath “Sometimes”

GyX

2025-02-20 22:31:53 +0000 UTC

I find it really funny that people are going to bat for Oliver but weren’t willing to do the same for John Walker in falcon and the Winter soldier. And for John, it was worse his friend straight up died with the smasher being one of the people responsible

A Guy

2025-02-20 22:31:48 +0000 UTC

FACTS!

Abdul-Rahman Lawal

2025-02-20 22:30:02 +0000 UTC

Cook

naa

2025-02-20 22:29:35 +0000 UTC

So NOW Amber wants to be upfront about knowing something already?

Michael Smith

2025-02-20 22:29:34 +0000 UTC

ngl roshi, im confused on how ur confused with olivers character. Idk if u didnt hear the dialogue of what he said but he never changed his view points. Hes literally not sorry about killing the mauler twins at all.

ImJuels

2025-02-20 22:29:31 +0000 UTC

Except he was arguing that Cecil is correct for "rehabilitating" serial killers who, by this logic, deserve death. So, which is it? Because I can guarantee that Cecil would have wanted to keep the Mauler Twins alive if it was his choice.

George

2025-02-20 22:29:15 +0000 UTC

I usually am pro getting rid of the really bad villains but Oliver’s like 10. He shouldn’t make life or death decisions because he might accidentally end up hurting someone who’s innocent

CACTUSJEET

2025-02-20 22:27:53 +0000 UTC

"Unhand him scoundrel!" Immortal texted to Mark without hitting send.

Devin B

2025-02-20 22:27:45 +0000 UTC

Technically the missile wasn't going to kill people, it was to block communications so they could charge people for their own service. But yeah, I'm not exactly sad that they're dead, but a psychopathic child is just bad news lol

LC

2025-02-20 22:27:34 +0000 UTC

Because Darkwing knew better, Oliver is like 1-2 years old

Devin B

2025-02-20 22:26:07 +0000 UTC

Oliver was not upset about killing the maulers. He lied about it being an accident too. I'm not sure how you would miss that.

Mark Gerald Duenas

2025-02-20 22:25:32 +0000 UTC

I hear what you’re saying, but mark is half viltrumite too. Shouldn’t he also have those tendencies then?

naa

2025-02-20 22:25:28 +0000 UTC

Those same two villains in the beginning were literally putting up a fight against Mark, the only reason they lost was because of their morality and Oliver.

Nota-kun

2025-02-20 22:24:18 +0000 UTC

lol I just noticed that

naa

2025-02-20 22:24:15 +0000 UTC

saying that show is switching from him cooking to fitting the narritve is dumb. Just hear me out. Ever thought oliver has this rash mindset the whole time but was just trying to explain himself more politely and in human terms. In truth he probly wants to kill ever criminal. its just who he is its already in his dna. Hes born from a race that kills and a race that dont live long. Dna is usually alot stronger than world experiences in shows like this but oliver can chnage one day. Maybe hell fall in love who knows.

chris dacon

2025-02-20 22:24:13 +0000 UTC

I’m conflicted on the Oliver situation. Like yes, killing the mauler twins was the logical thing to do in this situation, but they’ve made it clear that he’s a loose canon who doesn’t know right from wrong. He literally LIED about how killing them was an accident!! This’ll just be a slippery slope in his case

naa

2025-02-20 22:24:05 +0000 UTC

Literally Lmao I saw the title and thought to myself " Of course roshi agrees with Oliver this heartless ass nigga bro"

Humble Johnson

2025-02-20 22:23:57 +0000 UTC

never make roshi president

CACTUSJEET

2025-02-20 22:23:50 +0000 UTC

He's not. Some villains like the Joker just gotta go

bleach

2025-02-20 22:22:17 +0000 UTC

i mean he’s not wrong. there’s a clear difference between the villains actually deserve death and the ones who just need to go to prison.

mal

2025-02-20 22:20:47 +0000 UTC

Loving these reactions and episodes cuz of the conversation it’s bringing. To be honest. I’m of the same notion. Some of them villains gotta go. It’s an outdated trope. But I will say that the reason I think it stands or why comic book writers like to use it. Is that when you have alll this power, killing is a slippery slope. There’s no oversight, it’s just whoever you feel has to go, gets packed up. And that’s how you end up in the injustice timeline. Once again I agree with y’all but I think that’s why other heroes are always so surprised when other heroes kill. Because they’ve probably thought about doing it themselves and know what it could lead to. ….speaking of killers. Didn’t immortal throw someone into space in the first season lol. He alive?

Kevin

2025-02-20 22:20:20 +0000 UTC

well, to be fair he wanted darkwing imprisoned, not killed

Orominu

2025-02-20 22:19:33 +0000 UTC

I'm all for the Punisher approach. Kill them and put them down so they can't get back up to do bullshit. But if comics constantly killed off their villains, we wouldn't have the icons we have.

Omar

2025-02-20 22:18:58 +0000 UTC

He literally says it in the episode he's introduced bro, rewatch it 😂. Also he gather other himself from the multiverse and they all were normal people. He would have look for another version of him with powers if he's half as smart as he says.

Yourboy Gman

2025-02-20 22:16:57 +0000 UTC

You didn't have to title this that way, we all know you do Roshi lmao

Themperor

2025-02-20 22:16:20 +0000 UTC

Why are y’all all wearing red

Imari

2025-02-20 22:15:27 +0000 UTC

That seems impossible if it's truly a multiverse. Plot hole?

Bob Loblaw

2025-02-20 22:15:13 +0000 UTC

25:38 lmao

Raider

2025-02-20 22:15:11 +0000 UTC

Damn captions with the spoiler. I didn’t even notice that.

Kevin

2025-02-20 22:14:38 +0000 UTC

Sheera, Oliver wasnt sorry at all the only reason he got upset was cuz Mark got upset at him. Bro felt no remorse for killing those mfs cuz he did it on purpose LOL

Ren

2025-02-20 22:14:16 +0000 UTC

I’m wit Oliver but we don’t know where he’ll draw the line

Cameron Smith

2025-02-20 22:13:23 +0000 UTC

They launched an EMP missile. They took off the nuclear warhead

Robert Smith

2025-02-20 22:13:16 +0000 UTC

i agree with oliver and I do agree that they switched up his whole point but it was still something oliver needed to learn, omni man literally felt the same way he didn't care about anyone, he literally killed thousands of people and would've done more, and he called debbie a pet so oliver having that mentality would've been catastrophic so that conversation was still very important for him to have.

AniyaNii

2025-02-20 22:12:36 +0000 UTC

I mean, clearly the public doesn't think they deserve the death penalty so why would the super heroes kill them?

Robert Smith

2025-02-20 22:11:00 +0000 UTC

The problem with Oliver is he clearly doesn't know right and wrong. If left unchecked he could turn into Cecil's biggest fear.

MonarchXIII

2025-02-20 22:08:15 +0000 UTC

Bro Mark is not ‘weak’ he is holding back ALOT. In the 2v2 with mark and his dad vs the other viltrumites, his dad literally tells him “stop fighting like you’re on earth.” “Stop holding back.”

SenseiDbo

2025-02-20 22:07:46 +0000 UTC

mark was dead wrong for grabbing cecil like that when he and oliver showed up to the guardians' mission in the first place 😭😭 like bro you jumped in my business and got mad I was there

Xylophage

2025-02-20 22:05:11 +0000 UTC

Oliver is what Cecil thinks mark is. A child with the abilities of an adult but the mentality, reasoning and emotions of a child. He cannot understand nuance. I don’t think his answer to the Maulers was “wrong” I think Batman should’ve been killed joker. HOWEVER— Oliver doesn’t have the ability to judge what’s “right” and “wrong” like an adult although he has the abilities of one. And to the extent that someone doing something “bad” like stealing food or robbing a bank for their family to survive cuz shit is tough compared to someone tryna blow up a hospital for leisure and that’s why he shouldn’t have done it. He doesn’t feel anything and that’s why he’s dangerous.

Purple Haze

2025-02-20 22:04:35 +0000 UTC

maaannn so you mean to tell me, Multi-Paul had to go to jail, But Oliver finna roam the streets? L Mark logic this season. He's gonna have to change

Anna Anthony

2025-02-20 22:04:29 +0000 UTC

But Mark wont give Darkwing a chance cuz he was killing criminals...

Soul King

2025-02-20 22:03:10 +0000 UTC

REMEMBER GUYS ONLY ONE ANIGSTROM LEVY HAS THE INTERDIMENSIONAL PORTAL POWERS, the rest in the multivere are normal guys.

Yourboy Gman

2025-02-20 22:02:55 +0000 UTC

I never understand in these stories the point of detaining these villains when they keep breaking out again and again and causing havoc. Either give the ones causing a real problem the death penalty or put a kill switch in their body. Oliver’s values are skewed but he did what NONE of the guardians or Mark had to do. He was standing on business

Tenroku

2025-02-20 22:02:49 +0000 UTC

I actually wished they had kept that in

bleach

2025-02-20 22:01:51 +0000 UTC

They might have endangered people but the guardians kill more trying to save peopel let the maulers do what they want no one dies and now the maulers were brutally murdered did they deserve that if death is bad

Jamie

2025-02-20 22:01:21 +0000 UTC

So in the comics mark actually replies “sometimes”

JØKING NESSY

2025-02-20 22:00:04 +0000 UTC

RIP the maulers fr they will be missed but we got the multiverse so they could always come back or be revived

Justin Spencer

2025-02-20 21:58:02 +0000 UTC

Holy shit thank you. The Maulers took out the guardians and launched a nuke they had to be packed up. This isn't like he killed a junkie that robbed a woman. Oliver isn't out here just murdering everyone like Darkwing. This was a big thing and they were going to try and kill him. If he was out here murdering people out of inconvenience it would be different. He's not acting like homelander and bright burn.

CentipedeKid

2025-02-20 21:56:56 +0000 UTC

Me too. I love the way the yellow popped out against the blue and black. It’s so plain now 😭

Uhohmykokoro (Ari)

2025-02-20 21:56:09 +0000 UTC

Oliver did nothing wrong, favorite character. I'm so interested in how he'll grow in terms of age. Cause he's mixed with a specie that die fast and one that lives long. They said it will slow down after puberty but we'll see

Dark Danny

2025-02-20 21:56:04 +0000 UTC

I agree that some niggas to dangerous to let live. Maulers definitely had to go. But this nigga Oliver just don’t fucking LISTEN… And he be fucking LYING. that’s my only problem. Lil nigga need Omni man to come lay some discipline on his ass, same way he did mark 😂

SenseiDbo

2025-02-20 21:55:57 +0000 UTC

Nah fr, they should’ve just left her alone if they were gonna do this 💀

Uhohmykokoro (Ari)

2025-02-20 21:54:44 +0000 UTC

FACTS

SenseiDbo

2025-02-20 21:53:14 +0000 UTC

I think I’m like the only person who hates this costume

Justin Spencer

2025-02-20 21:52:30 +0000 UTC

Amber is written so badly it’s actually starting to annoy me that they made her black in the show lol like I just wanna forget she’s even in the show

naa

2025-02-20 21:48:53 +0000 UTC

We’ll see

T

2025-02-20 21:47:06 +0000 UTC

Rip to the Maulers, if that’s really the last we’ll see of them then see ya blue bozo’s.

Nico

2025-02-20 21:45:44 +0000 UTC

None of this would've happened if Mark had a few contingency plans in place. 🤷

Jamaal Ellison

2025-02-20 21:42:45 +0000 UTC

I really love how they’re being more overt with themes like punitive vs restorative justice and nature vs nurture this szn! Can’t wait to see where they take this

naa

2025-02-20 21:42:32 +0000 UTC

Roshi siding with Oliver was the most predictable timeliness. Two crash outs

Ed

2025-02-20 21:41:38 +0000 UTC

I laughed when Debbie said to Oliver the people you kill have loved ones too and Oliver said no one liked the Mauler Twins, in that context it was valid.

Devin B

2025-02-20 21:41:03 +0000 UTC

No one's surprised this nigga Roshi would be on Oliver's side. 😂😂

MonarchXIII

2025-02-20 21:40:31 +0000 UTC

I knew Roshi justice would prevail with Oliver lmao

Kevin

2025-02-20 21:39:12 +0000 UTC

he dont want them shitty villains that will get their ass beat, he wants the killers who are actual problems

Fuji

2025-02-20 21:38:02 +0000 UTC

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hasnain Khan

2025-02-20 21:37:23 +0000 UTC

Right?!

Naw1n

2025-02-20 21:36:59 +0000 UTC

So you would rather they keep breaking out of prison and keep endangering people? Oliver was standing on business, they had to go a LONG time ago bro 😂

Tenroku

2025-02-20 21:34:35 +0000 UTC

So quick question, instead of recruiting murders. Why doesn’t Cecil recruit villains that are struggling

Nota-kun

2025-02-20 21:33:59 +0000 UTC

The "silent film" at the beginning was just a normal sequence in the comics. I think they did a beautiful job at making it much more emotional.

King of New York

2025-02-20 21:33:16 +0000 UTC

Early drops that’s what I like to see gang 🔥

Tenroku

2025-02-20 21:33:13 +0000 UTC

Idc oliver killed them but i hate him so much lmao, bro cant listen to a single word ever ("uh hes just a kid") ive never met a kid this annoying 💀

Burn-Out 23

2025-02-20 21:32:07 +0000 UTC

Ngl I stan with Oliver, because the maulers were starting to become a problem

Nota-kun

2025-02-20 21:31:07 +0000 UTC

Oliver's right tho

David Camacho

2025-02-20 21:30:54 +0000 UTC

And here we see that it isn’t Mark being weak or inexperienced; it’s him living in a World of Cardboard, and everything he does is him gauging how much weight he’s throwing around. Otherwise he’d be killing everyone left and right. Mark has the strength to break a mountain from the Earth’s crust. If he’s not careful, every opponent he’d face would be a bloody stain.

EDHPlayer

2025-02-20 21:30:40 +0000 UTC

I KNEW IT

Cesar Augusto

2025-02-20 21:30:35 +0000 UTC

It was an accident my ass

Gavin Gibbons

2025-02-20 21:29:32 +0000 UTC

Roshi is NEVER beating the villain allegations in his life bro 😭

King of New York

2025-02-20 21:29:21 +0000 UTC

yayyyy

chris dacon

2025-02-20 21:29:17 +0000 UTC

Roshi my type of guy fr

Vyzarde

2025-02-20 21:29:09 +0000 UTC

Olivers a bitch how’s he killing the best reoccurring villains L Roshi

Jamie

2025-02-20 21:28:50 +0000 UTC

Roshi justice lol

PJ Rivera

2025-02-20 21:28:47 +0000 UTC

Here we go 👀

Raider

2025-02-20 21:28:29 +0000 UTC

Caption told me all I needed to know 😭

dzuesc

2025-02-20 21:28:22 +0000 UTC

Still horrifying cobra Kai came first

Jamie

2025-02-20 21:26:27 +0000 UTC

Of course you would Roshi

bleach

2025-02-20 21:26:13 +0000 UTC

Invincible 3x3

Comments

Also, the immortal threw that one dude into space in the beginning. Killing him. He was casual with it too.

the point isn’t that those guys didn’t deserve to die, it’s placing boundaries on them so they can’t arbitrarily decide to kill because they deem someone deserves death. Of all people i expected roshi to be aware of that since he was so pro cecil in the previous ep

many of the changes from the comic into the show just makes it ACTUALLY realistic as a depiction of human beings and their emotions lol

Comic version on top for how the relationship started lol - I still prefer the comic when she barges into his room and says "Mark I heard you're single, we dating or what?!!!!"

The missile was just an emp aimed at communication satellites so they could make people pay for theirs instead. Plus they used a paralyze beam and killed no one to launch it.

Which lives have the Maulers taken besides their own?

Nah, mauler twins were not as bad as yall making them. The gun doesn’t kill them it paralyzes them. They wasn’t killing so they shouldn’t kill.

The only person comparing them is you rn kiddo. Take your own advise the world isn't black and white.

Chuzo shut the hell up. It wouldn't even fit her character to have a guy abuse her

so yall saying he cant be taught,thats what it sounds like ,immediate condemnation is no good my friend,after all he's a kid right

thats fair but at the same time i think any being can differentiate a shoplifter from a rapist

lol one thing I like about invincible is that they change they way Superhero’s are, later down in the story supes will kill more

thats crazyyyyy,so when Joker gives up to Batman after shooting a family including their dog through the mouth its aight,kl kl

he draws the line when he's taught the Mauler Twins arent the same as a shoplifter ,remember hes still just a kid

so im going to treat the Joker or better yet an irl example ,A child rapist the same as a shoplifter ,when does the black and white filter come off yall lenses cause this shit is getting ridiculous

im not following ,Viltrumites get stronger with age no?how is that a disadvantage ,the only thing i can think off his constantly adjusting to his growing strength and speed but keeping up with his training should alleviate any of that

my thing is we always have this energy looking from the outside in ,but the moment it gets personal its different,the perfect example of this hypocrisy is gonna come up either by the end of this season or the next one

so......if i stun gun the president i should get a comfy cell right?the logic here is fucking crazy

thats fair and this is where a code is put in place ,better to steer it than let it run rampant

and the Eldians still got wiped out ,shit be tough out here man

but its very telling that it took a child to do it huh, kids take complex things and makes them very simple

they are still serial killers,why are we just skipping past the fact they have gotten ppl hurt and worse killed,who gives af what they did with the warhead,you think if i kidnapped the president of the united states they wouldn't put me in the ground?

def not considering she's black now i can already see the cancel culture avoidance team pulling up. But who knows lol

he didnt

huh?what are you talking about?

that's valid,but I think at some point we just gotta accept their will be ppl like that in this world,why not steer them in the direction of the bad guys who deserve it

then he needs to pack them up then,or become a lawyer or some shit

huh

They already said they’re not doing it cause it would defeat all the growth they’ve put towards the character

OLIVER WAS NOT SORRY AT ALL 😭

you are right ,but on the flipside in this type of world ,bad guys gotta get gone ,we can treat him like a Dexter ,steer him into the trash of society,why is it that you think he'll just murder innocents because he thinks packing up the villains is alright

@quxntum You can say that the first one was an accident, but you cannot say with a straight face that him killing the second Mauler twin was a mistake. He purposely did that.

I wonder if they gonna show ambers bad decision making in men lmao.

Gmac they were not going to stone-age people. They even said they were taking out satellites so people would have to pay for the Maulers service instead. You can't do that if you EMP them to the stone age.

Why would Mark or Oliver know that?

It wouldn't have. They said the only thing they were trying to do was destroy Earth's communication system so they can have a monopoly on it. They weren't going to kill anyone

None of you deserve super powers 😂

She talks to fucking much

I think its funny the only character we’ve seen that has Roshi’s outlook is a whole ass child lmaoo

You'd react the same way and it would still be the wrong way to react

I'm so sad we lost the Maulers, they were unironically one of my favorite parts of Invincible plus RTJ is literally their soundtrack....So cool

Fr people are wild lmfao it is crazy

1. Yes, the Mauler twins have killed before. They said this episode they don't typically kill children 2. The Maulers were going to murder a security guard in S1 EP 1.

Omni man the goat. He should have conquered the humans

I know you hate it Roshi but I think you were reading situation wrong when Oliver and mark were in the guy after Oliver killed them. Like his lil bro is covered in blood n he’s like 9 years old or some shit it’s pretty crazy. Shit I’d react the same way of my lil bro ran threw some dudes lmao

welp fuck the subtitles for spoiling it i guess... Also another reason to know it wouldn't be Cecil. Cecil wouldn't let the thing blow up so close to Debbie especially since he knows how ineffective it would be

If person a kills people and has no intent on stopping that, person a needs to be put down.

They literally said that the whole goal of that was to show the president that he's not untouchable. Kinda defeats the purpose of showing something to someone if you kill them

My issue with Batman will never be that he doesn't kill people. He's the one who'd have to live with the PTSD of killing someone. if he doesn't want to deal with those mental issues, then that's his prerogative. My issue with Batman is that he stops other people who WILL do it.

It starts to be a bit his fault when you've been giving him to the same justice system knowing it's going to fail again. But batman at least has a reason to not do it, Mark doesn't really.

Granted if we got a incredible 3, some years would of had to pass, meaning could be the first time we get an older mr and mrs incredible, an adult Violet, teen Dash, and an kindergarten age Jack Jack.

super late, but they cut out mark agreeing with oliver about omni-man, he says sometimes afterwards

They were so fun!

I love you guys but these were some L takes lol

Not Batman's fault Gotham has a shit justice system.

This is why there needs to be an incredible 3. Oliver is the equivalent of Jack Jack, then imagine a young evil jack jack and the family has to stop him.

"Where you'll get a meal" lmao damn sheera 😂

I know Mark is tryna be the white knight and his "no kill" rule is totally valid but sometimes niggas gotta die b 😤 Mark acting like Batman, who continuously allows Joker to escape and hurt/kill people instead of killing him.

nah blue and yellow was ass

bro its an animated show, calm tf down lol ^

The government literally can't be trusted to kill people, there is always a chance innocent people end up dead. Also it costs way more to kill criminals then it does to just lock them up for life

Nah, thinking murder is justice especially in that way is just gross

The maulers did keep coming back but I liked them ngl kinda sad to see them go

Pretty sure he just doesn’t want him growing up with the viltrumite mentality like his dad

God forbid an older brother is concerned that his younger brother nonchalantly kills 2 people and starts sounding like a full blown viltrumite

😂

sheera is annoying the shit outta me

I can understand the sentiment Mark and his mother have regarding life. I feel Oliver is still misguided because he grew up with his dad and hadn't seen what he did to Earth like his family has, not just as a plot point to prove life is sacred. He is just another unique viltrumite perspective.

Nah definitely, like I said I get both sides of it.

Man Cecil should just train Oliver to be the savior of the world I’d definitely be a vigilante hero if I had powers😂

I can agree with that, but the government needs to be responsible for it not the heroes

The missile wasn’t going to kill anyone lmao

Bro they need the death penalty at some point. They can’t be rehabilitated. They get locked up, escape, kill people and repeat

I wanted to hold off in case I was thinking of another conversation they had which hasn't happened yet, so just keep an eye out. Oliver is cooking he's not just being a little kid 🙏🏾

"Now you go to jail, where you get a meal :D" Sheera i cant keep defending you like this 😂

Wrong.

Also I agree with both of you that Oliver should have a bit more compassion for human life all things considered

Oliver hasn’t even been alive a year yet and he lived on thraxan for almost 2 months before coming to earth and even as an infant it’s been shown he’s cognitively more aware