Heavenly D. Ep 10

Wtf? You're sick

Gabriel Souza

In my head I thought the mother would be one of the two girls who kept kissing each other

BornUnMotivated

bro how this boar nigga just become the protaganist? lol

David Emerson

I mean yeah its obvious they don't teach any of them social skills, it kinda reminds me of promised neverland and how they want the kids to be smart but that's all that matters for whatever their goal. Also they literally have a robot for a parent, of course they will be horribly adjusted. I just assumed they had egg and sperm donors since they said the kids were 5 years old and those man-eater babies would only b a year or 2 old, yeah they could age differently but I think it is more likely they are just harvesting DNA from those man-eater babies and using it to have Mina make more of the "human" babies which I think are a hybrid of the maneater baby DNA and the (most likely donated by staff) eggs/sperm DNA

Cameron Eldridge

WOW it is very refreshing to see the apocalypse slave harem trope done in the male version.

Aziouss

To confirm u roshi, the 2 women were the little lesbian girls that were kissing in the facility. The black haired one was the man Eater cuz the baby has black hair. Presumably she was hiding the disease because the other girl didn't transform for some reason, or we just haven't seen her Hiruko form

Abigail Clark

yeah i only know of the thorax to be for ants sheera but i got what you meant lol but its for any mammal or tetrapod including humans so lets go with that. gotta get roshi and lupa to watch some magic school bus with the kids lol

rickie woodson

Since the man-eater was split into three (?) parts maybe that’s where the other half of the couple went: the baby as the “core” and the couple as the two parts of the man-eater. Just a theory tho

Carrie Thomas

For once I'm actually NOT a manga reader this time, and I don't think the theorizing/explaining is a serious problem. This series doesn't really feel like the type to spell things out for you - you either pick up on stuff or you don't, there won't be any explaining later. I think pointing out these details is actually pretty helpful, because I don't think I'd catch it until a 2nd playthrough and Idk if I plan on doing that for this series. To Your Eternity was kinda the same way - I can think of at least one detail that went over half the viewers heads and when I explained it to them they thought it was a spoiler when it literally wasn't - you either figured it out that episode or you never would because it never comes up in the series again, even beyond where the season ended.

Gilthwixt

Sheera so confused at the end lol

Mr. Glasses

**POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD, READ WITH CAUTION. MY THEORY GAME TOO FIRE SOMETIMES!!!** My theory is that the two girls we saw kissing each other a few episodes back, one of them was the mother at The Walled Town. Since in the flashback Juichi said it was a ‘couple’ that used him and gave birth to his son. So it could be they both escaped together and went there after the Collapse and thus giving birth to the Ice baby. As for the man eater, they both were hung so that’s why there’s one there. I know there’s some holes in this such as, if they both were from the school and were hung then their should be two man eaters. But this is as far as my theory/ guess goes

Dog Nibba

Aware

earthphoenix7068

Rushing not knowing a spider has a thorax will always be funny

halinton williams

I'm thinking that too, them kids do not look normal or socialized in the slightest.

Jigga Man

I definitely think the spider was a child from from facility because it had a bracelet on its leg similar to the girl dancing at the facility from episode 1 I believe

Shane Beggs

Wait I’m glad Roshi said something about the mother being a child from the facility. I also noticed that the spider had something on its leg when it was running, similar to one of the girls who was dancing on the rock at the facility it was like an anklet or bracelet. I wonder if juichi had a baby with that girl when she was older and then she developed the disease and turned into a Hiruko and now the baby is like a hybrid.

Shane Beggs

**cries into manga pages**

Gmac paddiewac

oh my. i can't read yeah. well, see ya'll in a month for the same comment

Gmac paddiewac

No it didn't and stop reading the comments. The manga isn't even done yet so you can't even be completely spoiled. Most of it is just theories and guesses

DocGreen

The 5th graders all seem to be female aswell, no? Or am I wrong? That seems kinda interesting timing considering the incident between Tokio and Kona. I could be wrong tho and it has no correlation

Lawlach

Nah it’s July 6 sadly

Alan Tegethoff

nobody can tell me that those creepy 5th graders are not the man-eater babies from the incubators. I mean where else are those children just randomly coming from?

Saraël Lele

I don't think the disease is what makes you into a Man-Eater. The disease just makes you increasingly harder & harder to keep alive and FROM TURNING INTO A MAN-EATER (since you die if your heart or lungs or w/e get the disease & need to be amputated duh). I think the disease is a side-effect of instability on the 1st gen Man-Eater Humanoid thingies, likely due to them being experimental tube babies or w/e (think of those weirdass infants in the incubator room. Waiting for one of the new 5th years to say "Tokio" when she comes back after the delivery, despite the 5th years not having seen her since she's been away from the school area for months now), especially since Maru & Tottori or w/e her name is, haven't gotten infected so far. I suppose more natural reproduction causes some more stability somehow on w/e causes the disease. I assume it's the Core itself that turns you into a Man-Eater if it's inside you (it survived incineration when they burned that 1 kid's body after he expired from the disease at the Academy, so I assume he could have killed her himself if he had access to sufficiently powerful incinerator, since that's what they did to the 1st diseased dude, and he didn't rez as a Man-Eater)

Skebaba

That starts 7/6 😭😭😭

Kisaki Hater

People think it was one of the 2 girls who were kissing (IIRC one of them did in fact have black hair, I think other was blond or brown), which checks out since in the relationship Jugo had 2 moms etc

Skebaba

Roshi, I would’ve snapped from having to constantly deal with it. Dealt with it nicely, amazing reaction.

iChris

July 6 not june ma dude, i wish tho.

Panda

Ok another theory and I might be completely off base cuz I forgot what konas ability is exactly but what if this whole shit is happening because of Kona and he got pissed off because they took his child away from him which he might have been by the computer that gave them the initial idea to have sex and now he’s just drawing up man eaters and unleashing them and maybe before he never realized he was doing that but after they took his child he came to learn about his ability and was aight imma kill you all

AresReborn

I think that was confirmation that Maru is Kona's child, the far-sight ability.

Arc

No that scene just happens later in the narrative, chapter 37.

Theo Vorster

so im pretty sure Jujutsu Kaisen S2 starts today (6/6). We startin that?

Gmac paddiewac

Now that it's pretty much out and in the open that the kids from the facility have a condition that turns them into the hiruko... start trying to figure out who the hiruko we've already seen were. Congrats. You are now sad.

Paden Snell

If the mystery of a show is the main draw... prolly just stay out of the comments. Not worth it

Paden Snell

I'm a manga reader to be fair, and there are maybe another clue or two that got skipped over, like I think there was a scene where mimihime gives the blonde haired boy the button off of her jacket which really conformed it all but I think got cut from the anime. But by this point in the manga I think it was pretty clear mimehime and the boy were dr. Usami and the patient. I think the anime just sadly hasn't been as clear about these things.

Paden Snell

The guy who couldn’t speak was mostly likely deaf or mute for other medical reasons. Remember it’s only been 15 years since the Calamity, the Walled City can’t have existed for long enough that an adult/older teen could have been raised from infancy there (and even then, a person would still learn how to talk even if they grew up in prison-like conditions). Also the reason that many (even other anime onlys) assume that Jūgo’s mother was a former Takahara Academy student is because currently only people who are related to Takahara Academy in some way (Mikura, Tarao, and Mimihime) have been shown as being capable of becoming afflicted by the mysterious Man-Eater related disease.

Theo Vorster

Anime Only: There are quick cuts during and before the Man-eater fight that are a crutch for my theory so I say check them out with your trigger finger on the pause button. I don’t think the mother of Jugo is necessarily from the facility with children. She may have just been someone infected with the disease that turns you into a Man-eater after death. During a snippet while they are running away from the spider man-eater, you see that the spider has the mini action figure that Juichi and his partners had in a flash back. So IMO she was infected during or before her pregnancy, and since she died and hung outside the Walled Town when her corpse fully turned she attacked the school building. Her son has similar abilities because of this familial connection and may be part Man-eater now. This leads to question is this how the children in the facility got there powers, by having a part Man-eater parent? Not sure since it seems the facility children can get the Man-eater disease and the doctors didn’t know what it was. This may also that someone in a human’s DNA decides what you Man-eater form and abilities may since the child has similar abilities when the mother never had abilities while she was alive. Something interesting I noticed the former boar at the end who discovered the body might have been one of the boars who was raised by the others and that why he seemingly couldn’t speak since he probably barely learned anything language wise while there.

Cameron Robinson

Yep Kiruko is mentally 18, body their body is physically 20.

Theo Vorster

this is irrelevant to whats currently going on in the show but the reason Kiruko in the beginning messed up her age is cause he's 2 years younger then his sister, before we knew the truth she just played it off as being bad at math

Dark Danny

My theory is that the monster in the school was the kids mom cause when we saw it running you could see the little power ranger shit they got in common with juichi that’s why I’m thinking that

Wsgyan

This felt like the creators of FLCL directed an animated this episode. Didn't hate it, but didn't really like it either...

jordy

Lol roshi expression during sheera explanation is peak reacting xD

Patrone07

I don't wanna look at the comments cus there might be spoilers, can you explain what happened?

AP STP

I loved how goofy the animation got this episode

Kisuke01

this whole series got ruined man, by a bunch of idiots in the comments.

Steve

Nanaki and Iwa were actually 3rd Years/Class 3 students, and were 10-11 when Tokio was 14-15. So they would have been 24-25 when they got killed 1 year ago (in 2038).

Theo Vorster

lol sheera with the zero aim, spreading pellets, automatic shotgun fire theories this episode... sometimes its okay just pay attention to absorb what the show is giving you, just so you don't go barking up the wrong tree receiving confirmation biases for head cannon. Kudos for trying though!

Darren Banks

I meaaan, speaking of the female couple that birthed the maneater child in present time…. Remember that there WAS a couple in the facility period of time that was seen just kissing and giggling that was probably the same year as tokio or whatever her name was that’s pregnant.

Guns

roshi looked at sheera like the what?! lmaoo i think humans and insects both have thorax lol im pretty sure. sheera keeps thinking the boars and the children are from the same timeline lol shes getting confused alot

KeYo

I've read the manga and some parts are pretty Fked up it was kinda hard to read but kept on going it's good but really messed up

RuTo-San

I love this show though and it’s one of my favorites of this season. Promised Neverland is my favorite manga and this show is giving that same vibe with the mystery elements.

Joydan Bri’an

bruh if you look back at previous episodes and pay attention to the dialogue it wouldn't be hard to come to that conclusion know one is spoiling

Lash

Yeah I had to watch this episode twice and I picked up on a lot more things. Dude with the fur on his jacket that ratted on Juichi was finna apologize to him too before Juichi got up and walked away. I get why he held that grudge but idkkk # 9 seemed genuinely regretful. Like this show is so depressing

Joydan Bri’an

yup just summed it up LOL the only oldest kid was Kona

RuTo-San

Dr usami was definitely not in his 40s he probably just looked old due to stress or sum shit

Lash

This comment section has too many spoilers

Greg Harrison

Not gonna the lie the last like 6 mins didn’t know wtf was going mfs was cutting to past, present, and future like I’m suppose to keep up😂😂

Kidhavac

Correct, if Maru (who is 15) is Tokio’s baby, Usami/Shiro and Hoshio/Mimihime could only have been 29-30 when they died (since Tokio and the other 2nd years like Mimihime and Shiro, were all in the 14-15 years old range).

Theo Vorster

Good eye and nice deduction

Jayden Holder

Think it’s around 30 cause tokio is 15 to 14 I thought

CLOUDZ ARECOMING

I think Dr Usami looked older due to stress, sadness etc. If hes Shiro from the facility he has to be no more than 35

Jay_aka_Jordan

@Ashe assuming you referencing me saying "cut it out" just know i cant say because its a spoiler but you will immediately know it when you see it

nami

damn

Good eye

Lūthér Hölâyèãhmé

I feel like this is an episode that you need to watch twice in order to pick up on things. Or, at least, that's how it was for me. Maru seemed to know a maneater was in the walled town before they were attacked. @7:17 - Maru quickly turns his head, likely because he senses a maneater @7:21 - We see cold air in the hallway. There was a LOT of body language in this episode that I didn't pick up on the first time. Most of the notable moments were of Juichi and Boar #9 (the traitor). You can feel the tension, but it also blends in with the background super well. @12:34 - The guy in green who ratted out Juichi during the escape (Boar #9) looks like a deer in headlights when he sees Juichi. @12:35 - The guy in yellow (Boar #6 / the leader), on the other hand, seems genuinely happy to see Juichi. There's a stark difference between how #6 and #9 reacted to being reunited with Juichi. @12:40 - When Juichi rushes over to his fellow boars, #9 takes a step backwards. @13:03 - #9 almost looks emotionless while sitting in the car. Maru notices this, but he doesn't say anything. @13:25 - Juichi's expression changes from one of shock when #6 is talking... @13:28 - ...to one of sadness when #9 is talking. His expression doesn't change right away though; it happens after #9 tells Juichi that the maneater attack allowed him to escape... and that he survived the maneater attack because Juichi's kid woke everyone up. In other words, Jugo inadvertently saved the guy who ratted on his father. @14:17 - This might be a stretch, but #9 is the only person not smiling when Juichi reunites with Jugo. To be fair, you can't see his mouth, but his eyes don't look happy. @14:28 - This one might be a stretch as well, but Juichi and Jugo are on the outskirts of the party while looking AWAY from the group. I couldn't get a good read on this one, but if I had to guess, despite everyone else wanting to celebrate... Juichi doesn't feel the same. He's happy about being reunited with Jugo (which is why they're holding hand), but it looks like something else is on Juichi's mind. @14:31 - Maru stares out at the father + son before getting distracted by food. I'm not sure if he's wondering why they aren't celebrating with the group, or if he senses maneater vibes from Jugo, but it stood out to me. @14:38 - #9 visits Juichi with a plate of food, with a smile on his face. I can't tell if it's a sincere smile, but he reminds Juichi that the party is in his honor. Perhaps the food platter is #9's symbolic attempt at a peace offering. @14:53 - #9 has a genuine small on his face when Juichi thanks him for taking care of Jugo... @14:55 - ... but that sincere smile slowly turns into a frown. #9 starts to say something to Juichi but gets cut off. "You know, Juichi..." @14:57 - Juichi promptly gets up and walks away before #9 can finish his thought. We aren't shown Juichi's upper face, but we can see his mouth. He's not smiling. @16:19 - #9 seems panicked about not knowing where Juichi is. Jugo and #6 are missing as well, but he's only focused on Juichi. The guy is literally told to calm down. @22:24 - After killing #9, Juichi looks down at the dead body and says, "Is it a grudge? I don't even know anymore. But I do know one thing. The one who killed Jugo's mother was --" @22:36 - Before Juichi can finish his thought, #9's mouth, previously a frown, turns into a smile. @22:37 - Juichi reacts to the facial movement with a gasp, but when we return to #9 a second later, it almost looks like Juichi imagined it? It was previously a frown, then a smile, but @22:38, I can't tell which it is. @22:47 - Juichi gets up and the screen pans to #9's face again. Only, this time, Juichi's cloak prevents us from seeing the face, so maybe we're not supposed to know whether Juichi was imagining things?

Merfhew

Sheera the Entomologist here. LUL

NecDW4

Mob K.O. is saying they will go check out the episode preview images and blurbs for episodes 11 and 12 that are up on the series' Hulu pages to view right now.

Theo Vorster

Sheera got confused because she was under the misconception that when Jūichi said in the previous episode that "I grew up in a school surrounded by walls" that meant Jūichi was a former Takahara Academy student and that the Walled Town is/was one of the Takahara Academy facilities. But in actuality the misandrist Walled Town that Jūichi grew up in (just for 10 years, from when he was 12 to when he was 22, making him 23 now in present of 2039) is completely unrelated to Takahara Academy, and was just some wacko misandrist colony/cult that repurposed a regular old abandoned Japanese school (likely a Junior High or High School) as their "Walled Town". Thus Jūichi and the other "breeding/seed boars" were just regular human men/boys who got abducted by the misandrist Walled Town cult. However, since Jūgo is a Hiruko-human (like the Hotel King Totori) that means his biological mother (who became the spider-like Man-Eater) was a former Takahara Academy student.

Theo Vorster

Cut what out

Ashe

why does sheera think that juichi was part of the school/facility ???

zILovePelmeni _

dem evil ass children tho😭😭😭

DatKid_Kaneki

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hasnain Khan

Any show I havent read the manga to yet, I usually just dont read the comments. I just happened to see yours

MackeyMoose

And it also implies that Jūgo's biological mother had likely been afflicted by the mysterious disease before she got killed.

Theo Vorster

It's not even that necessarily, when Jūichi said he grew up in a school surrounded by walls, he's just referring to the 10 years (from when he was 12 to when he was 22, he's currently 23) he spent imprisoned in the misandrist Walled Town. As the Walled Town is literally a repurposed Japanese school (likely a Junior High or High School).

Theo Vorster

The monster they encountered at the camp was Jugo's mother. Remember, people turn into a Man-Eater after they die. So once the two women were executed, Jugo's now-dead mother turned into a Man-Eater

Bhuwanake Manukulasuriya

Damn I didn’t even catch that one nice

CLOUDZ ARECOMING

Also when Mimihime is in the cave sequence/dream, one of her uniform buttons is noticeably missing (and Usami's final actions before killing himself was the caressing of one of those Takahara Academy uniform buttons).

Theo Vorster

Since you can’t find the context clues I’ll tell ya 1. Mimihime says to tokio that someone saves her and that they have her face. 2. The doctor is good with machines and has white hair the boy in the academy has white hair and good with machines 3. After machine lady dies by presumed to be tokio’s kid letting her die as a human not a monster and then the doctor shoots himself we transition to mimihime in a dark cave scared and alone only to be joined by someone later. There are more let me know if these aren’t enough.

CLOUDZ ARECOMING

I don't think Juichi was a kid at the facility, he seems like just a normal person that was captured by that women-only camp. I think he probably heard the story from one of the kid's mothers (who were from the facility) during their time together and just used that as one of the tales he sold to make money.

Ryan Murphy

Love the details od this episode. Earlier in the episode Maru said he can sense them now and he squinted his eyes at the kid during the campfire cuz he sensed it.

Darion Dixon

ily

HawaiinHercules

That end segment was kinda funny to me, def could’ve cut it out but I see why sheera was confused, this whole show is a mess that we gotta try and put together

DJ Muldrow

I hate theorists on this show. Feels like manga readers spread spoiler rumours and now everyone takes it as confirmed :/ kinda ruining this series for me.

Daniel Robb

Yeah, considering how Jūichi had a penchant for theatrical (literally having his own in-universe soundtrack to accompany his storytelling) having an easy-to-show tattoo for his schtick probably factored into that.

Theo Vorster

Why is everyone acting like mimihime = machine lady is confirmed? Y'all probably read the manga, spoiled it and now act like it's obvious smh.

Daniel Robb

Ok I'll check it out

Mob K.O.

No, the previews for episodes 11 and 12 (you can see the preview images and blurbs on the Hulu page of the series even if you're not subscribed to Hulu) already confirm it's not happening until the end of episode 12 at the earliest.

Theo Vorster

Ya I'm sure it'll be next episode

Mob K.O.

I think the only reason dude put a fake tattoo on his arm was because it's easier to show something on your arm than it is to show something on your shoulder. Basically for convenience sake.

Devin B

The spider was for sure the baby’s mom you can even see the power ranger thing on one of its legs. And remember that mimihime wanted to die as a human and not die then turn into a monster but the baby’s mom died and then a month later fucked up the facility.

CLOUDZ ARECOMING

There were those two girls we saw kissing. They were gay so they would need a guy, our boar 11, to give them a child. If it's someone from the facility, it's probably them.

VictorBR45

unfortunately they cant cut it out (i say unfortunately bc i absolutely hated that part in the manga) but i think next ep may end with part of it/the lead up and then the ep after go into it

nami

O ok I see

Mob K.O.

It's not happening until episode 12 at the earliest, and more likely not until episode 13.

Theo Vorster

To begin with, if anyone noticed how this episode had a noticeably different visual style and animation this episode, that was likely due to episode 10’s episode director and story-boarder being Kai Ikarashi, an animator who is a mainstay of Studio Trigger and has worked on many of their series and films. Now in regards to the plot, this was another one of those episodes that actually reveals quite a bit of information without doing so directly. Jūichi’s son Jūgo (who Maru identifies as a Man-Eater/Hiruko-person, likely similar to the Hotel King Totori and Hoshio/Mimihime) having the same freezing powers as the spider-like Man-Eater this episode is meant to imply that one of Jūgo’s mothers (i.e. whoever was his biological mother) transformed into the spider-like Man-Eater after being killed and hung-up by the Walled Town inhabitants. This revelation is further confirmed with the addition of an anime only detail, specifically the bracelet/rear-view mirror pendant (with the red tokusatsu character) that Jūichi was given by Jūgo’s mothers (who also each owned a identical bracelet); said bracelet can be seen attached to one of the legs of the spider-like Man-Eater in episode 10. For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 10 adapted about half of chapter 27 (13/26 pages), and all of chapters 28 and 29. This is equivalent to about 2½ chapters worth of manga. The remaining parts of chapter 26 (6/24 pages) and the other half of chapter 27 were parts of the manga focusing on Takahara Academy and Aoshima (the new vice-director lady character), I don’t know if those parts have been cut from the anime entirely, or if they are being rearranged and we might see them adapted in next week’s episode 11 instead. An added bit of bonus trivia, chapter 29 of the manga also identified the name of Jūgo’s biological mother (i.e. the one who became the spider-like Man-Eater). This was conveyed through the cover page of chapter 29, where the named is spelled out in katakana though the art of said chapter’s cover. The name in katakana is spelled out as “ナナキ”. In regards to the plot at Takahara Academy for episode 10, the new Class 5 students are the 15 five-year olds that The Director was discussing and referring to in the previous episode. Also in case it wasn’t clear, Tokio’s pregnancy has developed at a normal pace, so about 5-8 months or so have passed since Tokio was taken away in episode 9. As for how old Dr. Usami/Shiro and Hoshio/Mimihime were when they died, if we assume that Maru is indeed Tokio's baby (and Maru is 15 years old), that means when the two died in episode 8 they were about 29-30 years old. And to clear up Sheera's confusion (and anyone else's), Jūichi and the "Walled Town" are completely unrelated to Takahara Academy (either of the facilities). The "Walled Town" was just some wacko misandrist cult/colony that repurposed an abandoned regular old Japanese school (likely a Junior High or High School), hence why Jūichi said in episode 9 "I grew up in a school surrounded by walls", he's just referring to the decade of his life (from when he was 12 to when he was 22, making Jūichi 23 years old now) he was imprisoned in the "Walled Town". I hoper that helps clear up any confusion. And if anyone is interested in starting the manga after this season is finished (it is currently planned to adapt the majority or all of tankōbon Volume 6 of the manga, likely somewhere in the range of chapters 36-37), I personally would still recommend starting the manga from the beginning regardless, as in addition to the standard cutting of extra dialogue and scenes from the anime for run-time and cinematic pacing, the chapter titles and cover pages of the manga also play a role in experiencing the foreshadowing of the story that the anime can’t quite replicate (due to the inherent difference in mediums). The mangaka of Heavenly Delusion, Masakazu Ishiguro (who is active on Twitter), their most well known previous work is “And Yet the Town Moves” (also known as Soremachi), which was serialized from 2005-2016. They have also done a number of other single volume manga and short stories collections. Ishiguro's has also stated that the major influences for the Heavenly Delusion series, include the works Akira, Armored Trooper Votoms, and an old Japanese science-fiction novel titled "Dogra Magra" that was written Kyūsaku Yumeno (who appears as a character in Bungo Stray Dogs) and published in 1935. And if anyone needs a refresher on the ages of the cast of characters: Maru is 15 years old, while Kiruko is mentally 18 and physically 20. The approximate ages of Tokio, Shiro (the silver haired kid who grew up to be Dr. Usami), Mimihime (the girl Shiro had a crush on and grew up to be Hoshio, the woman Maru had to euthanize), Taka (the super strong/durable kid), and Anzu (the black haired girl who is good at dancing) are all 14 years old. The approximate ages of Nanaki & Iwa (the two kissing girls), Kuku (the frog-like girl) and Tarao (the sick and now dead kid) are all 10 years old. And Kona’s (the kid who draws the strange drawings) approximate age is 17 years old.

Theo Vorster

I wonder if that things going to happen next episode or if they'll cut it out

Mob K.O.