Monday Night War - Ep 3 - Embracing a New Attitude
Added 2024-08-30 22:38:41 +0000 UTCWatch: https://streamable.com/7czdgk
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Fun watch. Some notes from old man me. Sunny was one of the most popular women in America period. When she started getting hot, she was the most downloaded image on America Online. This was when it took an hour to download a single .jpg file, lol. Sable was seen in this episode powerbombing her then husband, Marc Mero. She eventually cheated on him with Brock Lesnar, and Mero was like, yeahhhh I’m not gonna go near that, you just go ahead, lol. So Lesnar and Sable are still married to this day, with Sable being 9 years his senior.
Big Ell
2024-12-17 01:08:10 +0000 UTCNobody said it! I was just about to.
Big Ell
2024-12-17 01:01:46 +0000 UTCThe Ruthless Agression Era Docuseries should be the next series after Monday Night Wars if you want era continuity its a shorter series with only 10 total episodes.
Shaun Carpenter
2024-09-02 20:25:53 +0000 UTCDefinitely a huge moment, perhaps the culmination of the women's revolution. And shout out to all the ladies that endured the nonsense for years in order for the current women to be taken seriously.
Nate Cruz
2024-09-02 16:34:23 +0000 UTCI'm glad we got to see the match where the Divas title turned into the women's championship. I think it was the triple threat match at wrestlemania? Seems like a pretty big moment
Tallywags
2024-09-02 16:26:21 +0000 UTCyea, my friend literally called teir segments bathroom breaks. there were only a few the people cared about during that era until 2014-15 with aj putting over paige then the horsewoman getting called up
Jayshawn Robinson
2024-09-01 17:54:42 +0000 UTCSame, I miss that also.
Tín Phạm
2024-09-01 10:08:30 +0000 UTCOne thing I wish we still had today is the camera flashes in the crowd. Its just a great a visual when Austin or Rock would pose on the turnbuckle and its just flashes everywhere.
Tk Banks
2024-09-01 07:31:11 +0000 UTCThe women’s division stuff is why I can’t really jive with the idea that the Attitude Era was the best thing ever. The highs were very high, but the lows were also very low.
Wade Kruse
2024-09-01 04:18:58 +0000 UTCThe way you looked up extemporaneous and saw the usage over time, in a few years when people look at the chart for the word demure, it's gonna be higher than Matt Riddle and RVD.
Christopher Barnes
2024-08-31 22:00:24 +0000 UTCThe women of that era were only huge draws for one reason and I'll just let you draw that conclusion. It was a different time and most of the fans were men ages 18-35. I'll leave it at that.
Chad
2024-08-31 19:30:04 +0000 UTCIf I don't recall wasn't Michelle McCool supposed to go out and wrestle a match she already wrestled earlier in the night because the guys were embarrassed that she made her stuff look better than their stuff?
Chad
2024-08-31 19:28:13 +0000 UTCECW deserves a lot of praise for doing a more edgy and adult oriented product years before WCW and WWE did it. Though it was obviously also easier for them since unlike WCW and WWE, they didn't have to worry about sponsors.
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2024-08-31 16:09:57 +0000 UTCThe women were huge draws during the attitude era, but it was in many ways a huge regression in womens wrestling. They were literally told to not wrestle more than a couple minutes and not wrestle too well because they werent supposed to outshine the men (countless women have testified on this). Keep in mind that this is a WWE produced documentary putting a positive spin on it. WWE used to have a more normal womens division years prior, and during the attitude era, they weren't having wrestling matches like the men were. Mind you WCW's womens divison was bad, and they eventually just scrapped it entierly, like WWE did between 95-98. WCW basically just relied on foreign talent from Japanese companies for the division and eventually gave up and clearly didn't care about it that much.
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2024-08-31 15:54:28 +0000 UTCI was already in my 30's when the addutude Era started. I I was well aware the target audience wasn't me. I was disappointed that women wrestling went to t&a viewing. In fact many the women who were in the ring were also doing playboy shoots as well. But I wasn't an impressionable teen so it really didn't effect me that way.
Karen
2024-08-31 12:38:58 +0000 UTCThey didn’t show it in the doc, they cut just before it, but Pillman does point a handgun at Austin and then as Punk says, the feed cuts. “We don’t have many female patrons here.” I’m not at all surprised by that. Someone provably said it already but Sable is now married to Brock Lesnar.
Steamed Ham Champion Dillon Haggett
2024-08-31 09:28:12 +0000 UTCI started watching WWF in 1990/1991. When the attitude era started in 1997, I was 13 years old. This was at the same time as I started having my wildest years in my life, partying with alcohol and drugs, trainsurfing and painting graffiti at night. This type of trash tv was everywhere at the time and it reflected how bad society was. At the time, it seemed "normal" because it was a very misogynistic, homophonic, transphobic society. In sweden, there wasn't really much racism at the time (unfortunately there's a lot now instead), but I can imagine that the racism on wwe tv mirrored racism in USA more at the time. I liked Sunny and many of the girls back then, the problem was that there were no womens wrestling, vince just doubled down on the sexism. It was shock tv and looking back at it, it aged horrible. WCW aged much better tbh. I prefer the wwf golden era and the era we are in now. The amount of anti-lgbtq stuff and sensitive racial angles makes the attitude era unwatchable as weekly shows. However, there's many amazing storylines that are not sleazy at all. Undertaker/Kane and many more are amazing long term storylines. This is also a WWE production, so it will be from their point of view in 2013 or whenever this was produced. I would imagine the new WWE would like to distance themselves from that era, but on the other hand, the new owners doesn't seem to care much about morality.(Dana White slapping his wife etc) I'm sad to see the prices go up on the subscription, but I think it said I have one more month on the old price. I'm gonna have to come back and binge these when you are done with the series though. 😊
Jennifer Lindgren
2024-08-31 08:59:57 +0000 UTCIt wasn't that the women weren't talented. They absolutely had some hitters. Trish and Lita could legit wrestle, Victoria, Jacqueline, Molly Holly, so many more that could really freaking go. But 95% of the time they were only ever given 3 minutes to actually get in ring and show it. Most of their segments were centered around sex. Bra and panties matches, mud wrestling, bikini contests etc. Trish was involved in a story where Vince was cheating on his wife w her, Lita was once involved in a story where she was forcefully married to Kane, Jacqueline had her top ripped off on TV, Molly Holly volunteered to have her head shaved as an extreme measure to be allowed TV time. All for them to have maybe 5 mins and lose to someone w a bigger chest or more sex appeal. Once they went back to PG around 08 they were still referred to as "Divas" and treated the same way, but now covered up to appease the TV networks. The women were always talented, they were just never allowed to shine in that way.
Nate Cruz
2024-08-31 07:53:47 +0000 UTCYa true but in 2008 threw 2013 and 14 they were just piss break matches when the Divas were on everyone knew the crowd was gonna be dead silent
WWE Jay Gaming
2024-08-31 07:08:18 +0000 UTCIt’s a lot shorter too.
Steamed Ham Champion Dillon Haggett
2024-08-31 07:05:40 +0000 UTCWell no it’s more like 2008. They actually started giving them time in 2015.
Steamed Ham Champion Dillon Haggett
2024-08-31 07:05:28 +0000 UTCCannot wait for the DX episode!!! It's a great one.
Kam
2024-08-31 04:53:02 +0000 UTCThe time WWE moved away from women doing those kind of things and them being sex objects, is literally in like 2015 or so
WWE Jay Gaming
2024-08-31 04:30:03 +0000 UTCThere's actually a documentary on peacock about the Ruthless Aggression era as well. Maybe after you guys complete the Monday night wars, you could watch that since it literally follows the attitude era.
Chad
2024-08-31 03:41:08 +0000 UTCI actually was at the Raw where the first McMahon vs Austin took place. 🔥🔥💯💯
Phillyman!!
2024-08-31 03:24:10 +0000 UTCAs much as I respect Jerry Lawler and all that he’s done he was off the rails on commentary during this time 😂 Listening back some of that stuff he said was WILD but hey that was the time I guess. I wish the history of the WWE wasn’t whitewashed so much in their favor. The victors write the history books of course I just wish there was more of the other side of people saying “here’s how it actually went down”
John Coffey
2024-08-31 00:53:06 +0000 UTCThe hardcore division was so much fun. Crash holly was so entertaining
Diruroru
2024-08-31 00:33:52 +0000 UTCSo as a 90s kid. Yes sunny was amazing, I think we can all attest to that. And jerry Lawler was always cringe even as, or especially as a kid at the time. Also yeah rep captain Anderson 4 life. Best video game surrogate dad ever
Diruroru
2024-08-31 00:33:12 +0000 UTCThe rating they are showing are the Nielson ratings, Nielsen calculates the percentage of their panel that watched each given program and reports that data as a number; if a program gets a reported 3.6 Nielsen rating, that means 3.6% of the panel watched that program; thus Nielsen estimates that 3.6% of American households watched the program. At this time in America the population was just under 300 million so about 10.8 million people would have watched a show with a 3.6
Blood Sable
2024-08-31 00:24:14 +0000 UTCI caught glimpses of the attitude era when my brother watched it when we were younger, but I didn't catch on to what was going on at the time. Just from watching that episode, I feel pretty much the same way. If the women who were doing it were OK with it, then sure it sells. It definitely seemed like it went too far at times.
Tallywags
2024-08-30 23:58:48 +0000 UTCback then woman's wrestling was a lot less about really wresling and really just to show them off. it was like that all the way until they went pg and then it got worse. Now they couldn't do what the attitude era did and also wasn't given time for wrestling either. So bad my friends started calling their sections bathroom breaks bc nothing really happend in the pg divas era until the end of that era with AJ, Charlotte, Becky, Bayley, Paige, and Sasha. Usually if their was time to cut, their matches or promos were the first to go.
Jayshawn Robinson
2024-08-30 23:51:12 +0000 UTCThank you for the well written insight. This is kind of what I would have assumed it would be like for a young girl during that era. I'm very glad times have changed, I'm not sure I'd enjoy wrestling as much as I do if it hadn't.
Dport
2024-08-30 23:50:34 +0000 UTCI grew up watching wwe in, I would say the late attitude era. I vividly remember seeing all the sexy stuff on tv and it kinda confusing me, cause mind you i was like 10-15 years old at this time, and I enjoyed watching the wrestling part of wwe. But back in 2006 when I was 15-16(depending on the month), still a kid myself, I went to a ECW show where Kelly Kelly has her like "live stripping expose" performance, and as a female in that crowd it made me very uncomfortable. All I could think was, how old is Kelly Kelly?, is she okay with this?, do her parents know?, she's someones daughter ya know! Hearing the men around me make very inappropriate comments. Made me feel very... self aware of how men look at women and I wasnt a fan of it, especially as I maturing myself at the time. It made me feel gross. I remember lita and edges live sex celebration on tv and that also made me really uncomfortable, mind you I wasn't totally aware wrestling was fake at the time, but still, as a young woman seeing this pushed in my face when all I wanted was wrestling was really unsettling. In the end, I'm very glad womens wrestling has gotten past all this sex driven entertainment in the sport. At the end of the day, sex does sell. I would love to hear from other women who watched during this time <3
Courtney コートニー
2024-08-30 23:36:38 +0000 UTCPerfect timing was just looking for something to watch
Drew Or Die
2024-08-30 22:55:07 +0000 UTC
