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BONUS EPISODE: "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut"

Shut your face, uncle fucka, and get ready for a long awkward conversation about South Park, as all modern conversations about South Park inevitably are

BONUS EPISODE: "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut" BONUS EPISODE: "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut"

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Everything can be analyzed. People don't accidentally make a well loved movie. They put time and effort into every decision and every decision can be dissected.

ProjectFM

WORST. REVIEW. EVEEERRR.!!!

Jarvis Alive

This is just... odd. Saddam Hussein wasn't "tortured" in US custody. The only human rights violation I think that ever got any traction was the fact that pictures of him in custody (in his underwear) leaked. Troops did indeed play this movie for him, but... that's not torture. And he much would have preferred to stay in US custody rather than deal with what the Iraqis were going to do with him... and did to him.

A

Just watch the World of Warcraft episode and call it a day

Wagner Koop

I was very much confused about this lol

Wagner Koop

I'm a huge South Park fan to this day, and was defending it in my head up until Lina mentioned the Trans episode. That episode is indefensible.

Charlie

It’s sporadic, but I’d say generally seasons 3-9 are the peak.

J.D. Laney

think most people stopped watching around them and the ones that do still watch it arent big on debates. I think most people also don't realize that it is still on television

Birthe_bird

Weirdly relating to this episode. It's like that was a thing I watched. A few things I remember fondly, but yes indeed most of it just feels so old now... cause it is. Also remember that I could never get into the movie, felt like it was too much.

Birthe_bird

What are the good seasons? Just curious.

George E. Schneider

Huh, this episode was…odd

Lee Breezy

Maybe I'm missing something but is there some reason Todd refuses to bring up Matt Stone? Or at least every time he's talking about writing, only Trey is mentioned.

DaMonth

I made it about 12 minutes into this bonus episode before my cognitive dissonance made me bail. Bigger, Longer and Uncut is my favorite movie. I've been a Patreon member of yours for about two years, and this is the first bonus episode I've decided to listen to. I was expecting you both to bask in the glory of the profanity and general offensiveness that pervade this glorious movie, but was sadly disappointed. As you rightfully point out, South Park was already on the decline when this movie was released. It was in fact meant to be so offensive as to get South Park cancelled once and for all, but ended up having the opposite effect. This fact alone to me makes any serious analysis of the film irrelevant, for the basic reason that Trey and Matt weren't trying to make any serious social commentary, but merely to get themselves cancelled. The moral ambiguity of the show has never bothered me. Anyone looking for moral guidance from a cartoon has unreasonable expectations. The fact of Kyle's mom being a Jew never struck me as antisemitic, and I've watched the movie probably 30 times or more over the years. Comedy is meant to be subversive, so any attempt to analyze it is doomed to failure. You can give your opinion as to why you feel it isn't funny, but ultimately you will never change the minds of those who think it is funny.

Josh Beatty

loved the episode, really good discussion, thanks todd & lina!

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It is weird how controversial South Park still is and yet Current Existing South Park is entirely absent from these debates. It's like the show ended in 2008

Alexandra Rutt

Yeah the South Park episodes I was first exposed to was firmly post-9/11

Alexandra Rutt

It's so weird hearing Todd & Lina talk about South Park as a relic of the late 90s, whereas I've always associated the show more with the 00s as a whole

Subspace Jet Witch

I was never allowed to watch South Park growing up. I've maybe seen an episode or two. I've seen plenty of clips and references over the years. Can't say I found it that funny or was ever compelled to watch it

oxbow79

Wow suddenly this podcast sounds like shit to me… jk love you guys but also South Park and this movie.

Phoenix Dark

I’m a queer and highly left leaning person and still find South Park very funny, at least the good seasons. I don’t think it makes me a morally bankrupt person either, and I think that saying that is what causes a lot of people to abandon the left and move further right (not me, I’m used to this smug liberal attitude and won’t let it sway me). I also appreciate that South Park has walked back a lot of its shittier takes, like their denial of climate change. I don’t know, I still love this movie and still laugh at nearly every minute of it, and think that every song slaps.

J.D. Laney

Correction: Sheila is not based on Trey's mom, she is a pastiche of Matt Stone's mother who is Jewish. Not saying the criticism isn't valid because Matt has the J-word pass but pointing out for accuracy's sake. Also I have thoughts on their celebrity takes (and the underlying misogyny) and how Scrotie McBoogerballs and Terrance and Phillip are not them trying to dodge the political takes, it's just a joke at their own expense about how under informed they are, but I'll save that for my own podcast (if I had one LOL)

Gator McKinley

…maybe Beetlejuice should’ve won instead… oh well. There’s always next Halloween :)

Connor Rankin

They made the right call. Every role Pip played in the first three seasons would have been better served by Butters. Even the one which is literally just Great Expectations.

Rich Kee

Trey and Matt did have a pseudo-innocent foil at times in the early episodes: Pip. But he eventually was replaced by Butters.

Dork Mode

We gonna have ourselves a time!

Chaz Mania


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