John Vervaeke & Jordan Peterson: Word Worshipers
Added 2024-10-14 22:41:55 +0000 UTCThat's right—we’re back in the heady world of sense-making, but don't worry, we're just in time to witness the resolution of the ever-looming 'Meaning Crisis.'
Join Matt and Chris as they embark on an epic journey with the cognitively inclined philosopher John Vervaeke and none other than Jordan Peterson himself. Together, they navigate a vast web of meaning that spans discussions of Power, Beauty, Love, Religion, and, of course... the Logos!
Along the way, we'll question the limits of complex wordplay and autodidactic insights, delve into the gentle art of delegation, and ponder how the religious-shaped void might be filled through Dialogos. On a more material level, we'll also get a glimpse into the inner workings of Jordisan Academy, the 'We Who Wrestle with God' tour, Sensemaking cruises, and the vital multivitamins every Responsible Man should be taking.
So come along as we grapple with the Omega Rule, cast aside reductive materialism, and bow down in horror and awe to worship the words that the eternal Logos demands.
Links
The Meaning Crisis: Resolution | Dr. John Vervaeke | EP 482
Comments
When can I sign up for the Matt and Chris Guru-cruise?
Frances goulart
2025-01-12 21:47:20 +0000 UTCI would have something insightful to contribute but I have not taken my Responsible Woman vitamins today 😩
Frances goulart
2025-01-12 21:44:16 +0000 UTCIf I hear the word logos one more time I'm going to vomit. It's worse when JP says it.
Becky Rose
2024-10-30 13:32:03 +0000 UTCMaybe Im an anti-social primate because I find Sense Making almost as aggravating as Red Scare.
Ema Corro
2024-10-23 06:10:23 +0000 UTCI have been looking for meaning my whole life and I think this is a normal human thing (though I am hardly a normal human). But I don't think Peterson has much to offer in that regard.
Sonje Finnestad
2024-10-19 00:04:30 +0000 UTCOr agreeing on something they actually disagree on because both sides are equivocating. Funny thing is, Vervaeke's Awakening series had like a 30 minute lecture on this exact issue yet breaks his own rules in these conversations
Trees
2024-10-18 13:55:54 +0000 UTCI forgot to add that having agreed upon definitions, like Matt talked about, is essential; otherwise, the participants would spend the entire time arguing over something they might agree with had they defined their terms.
Linda Sears
2024-10-18 13:46:41 +0000 UTCIt seems like a more productive dialogos/dialectic requires people with differing (not necessarily opposing) views and an actual question to expound upon. I could see people from differing academic backgrounds, such as history, psychology, political science, anthropology, and archaeology, having an interesting discussion about a question like is war intrinsic to human nature, when did it start, etc. The listener could learn from those different perspectives, including understanding the limits of each discipline. The goal might not be to come to an answer, but it could be engaging or informative.
Linda Sears
2024-10-18 12:11:37 +0000 UTCA Right to Reply episode would be good I agree. I think he would be happy to join and discuss the book.
Scott MacKenzie
2024-10-18 10:11:42 +0000 UTCJP is so seldom non-Kermital...
Anne Stephens
2024-10-18 09:08:41 +0000 UTCTwo do-nothing shitheads who skip university because it's too woke and go straight for Peterson Academy, logossing it up on a Friday night.. To be a fly on the wall 😂
Will
2024-10-17 23:41:58 +0000 UTCIt seems to me that JP takes it all very seriously. He truly believes the profundity of his insights, while the other “gurus” strike me as more consciously grifting and super careful not to challenge or criticize him because he is (mysteriously) one of the top dogs in the grifting secular guru world.
KBDaxio
2024-10-17 21:31:39 +0000 UTCThere used to be a fun radio show on NPR called Word Jazz.. hosted by Ken Nordine.. man JP and JV just ruin everything! Anyway Ken described Word Jazz exactly the way Matt and Chris are trying to describe the sensemakers word salad.
Jason Trock
2024-10-17 21:13:43 +0000 UTCWhile listening I can't help but imagine Jordan's elaborate hand gestures
Reinert
2024-10-17 14:55:57 +0000 UTCThere probably is a world where some JP fans after hearing how important it is, are trying to have the same "meaningful conversations" , abiding by the Logos spirit. That must be something!
kurdelis
2024-10-17 14:21:22 +0000 UTCDial λ for wavy & lengthy... Ooh! Perhaps it's the λ of G** ??
Anne Stephens
2024-10-17 13:47:26 +0000 UTCHmmm... Maybe a groniaduate from the Jawduncesong Ackerdemo Eelcution Proggle? That would make sense. -- Deep joy!
Anne Stephens
2024-10-17 13:44:16 +0000 UTCYep. It’s all about him scaling up that dominance hierarchy. And if Vervaeke contradicted him, the conversation would take on an adversarial turn with Peterson swatting him down. Free speech my 🫏
Linda Sears
2024-10-17 12:34:52 +0000 UTCI almost think the ad reader purposely paused to create the sound of the word crap instead of craftsmanship because I heard the same thing as Matt did. Maybe he was insidiously perverting the logos.
Linda Sears
2024-10-17 12:29:34 +0000 UTCThe "yes and" approach seems like it could be a useful way to come up with new ideas that you later refine and have pressure tested. A group of musicians will have a free-flowing jam session where they "yes and" each other until they find something worth expanding upon into a song. Once they find that idea, they'll go away and write a song in a much more deliberate fashion, that song will then be pressure tested, improved upon or stripped back by producers, record labels etc. until it's fit for release. JBP and Vervaeke are just releasing the jam sessions as if it's a song. It's beyond arrogant to think that your unprocessed brain farts are worthy of release, but this is exactly what they're doing.
Will
2024-10-17 12:29:10 +0000 UTC“Responsible men” are the problem! Don’t give them vitamins as well
Jill
2024-10-17 11:04:02 +0000 UTChttps://responsibleman.com/pages/about what the actual fuck !
Jill
2024-10-17 10:53:48 +0000 UTCFelt like I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than continue listening to… srsly depressing that people listen to JBP .. only Matt and Chris’s incredulous giggling outbursts kept me going ..😛
Jill
2024-10-17 10:34:04 +0000 UTCThat’s what Matt channelled!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-17 04:21:23 +0000 UTCDon’t be silly!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-17 04:18:09 +0000 UTCI don’t know any female sense-makers, but I do know that the phrase “whanging on and on” has officially entered my vocabulary. EDIT: Heather Weinstein, perhaps?
Nerfherder
2024-10-17 03:35:36 +0000 UTCGreat criticism of the dialogos/omega rule. Whatever value it has, it can't be the only way to explore, build and communicate ideas. It's like perpetual brainstorming, and yet the Sensemakers act like it's all you need to do. On Vervaeke overextrapolating his personal background when it comes to finding meaning in life, some good points were made, but I also found Chris and Matt's counter argument that they are fine with reductionism to falls prey to the same flaw. Given how well secular gurudom is doing, it seems like a lot of people do want to seek the transcendent without having to eat Christ morsels. Also, Vervaeke is pronounced Ver-vay-key. I expect Matt to shorten all "a"s, but c'mon Chris.
Trees
2024-10-17 02:09:51 +0000 UTCMary Harrington
Trees
2024-10-17 02:02:12 +0000 UTCSo at about 45 minutes Jordan goes off on a tangent about the sacred, moral nature of what basically boils down to the capacity for reciprocal conversation. Chris’ comment about the “morally good” aspect of Jordan’s framing of conversation stuck out to me in relation to the following quote from JBP: “The patterns of action that most optimally facilitate the desire to continue the patterns of action are the, in principle, are pointers towards the most moral way of behaving.” What’s interesting to me here is that he is basically describing the behavioral principle of operant conditioning, and ascribing some moral quality to it, whereas BF Skinner famously did not imbue moralistic aspects to behavior. I know JBP is not looking at it through that lens, just thought this was an interesting example of how JBP has such blinders on. Just because a behavior is reinforced does not make it moral or good, yet he is fully in thrall to this interpretation and sense-making “pattern of action.”
Nerfherder
2024-10-17 01:23:36 +0000 UTCActually sounds like a character name from a 90s porno rip off, Lord of the Cock Rings
Password1234!
2024-10-17 00:55:06 +0000 UTCAhh yes, my favourite lord of the rings character, Juicy Bush.
Password1234!
2024-10-17 00:54:14 +0000 UTCAdvantage nonsense makers
Tricia Scott
2024-10-16 23:18:06 +0000 UTCOk I’m 40 minutes in. Got a question. Are there any female sense makers or is it just men whanging on and on and on? Im thinking of taking up sense making as a sleep aid.
Tricia Scott
2024-10-16 23:16:33 +0000 UTCSorry I haven't been keeping up with you boys except for Twitter, we are in an election in case you haven't heard. Jennydiver on Twitter as well, feel free to DM if Matt needs anything while here in the US.
Jennydiver
2024-10-16 22:48:37 +0000 UTCPlease more tennis references
Adam Sher
2024-10-16 22:08:42 +0000 UTChttps://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwY5ikyaO_vtYSc1k8CkX8GA5hASgsvZY?si=lEG64WFSXjCceybJ Snakes alive, oh ... 🙂👍🏼
Anne Stephens
2024-10-16 18:57:43 +0000 UTCI am adding “bumlickery” to my lexicon.
Patrick Mead
2024-10-16 18:08:56 +0000 UTCThe «meaning Crisis» term seem to be a bit dramatic and Jordan rarely says anything that’s not dramatic. It might be some unresolved issue of my own, but I kind of get the feeling that they’re on to something. Though it’s by no means unique to them. I’ve felt that sometimes things do lose some magic by being explained mechanisticly.. (But then again I also feel that the thrill of having a good conversation gets completely destroyed by Jordan and Johns way of talking about it. ) I don’t like where they take the whole meaning thing though. I think it is a mistake to think that meaning should be something that is special for you or that you are special in some way. I think perhaps something that made me a bit happier coming out of my twenties was that I started working, got kids and stopped worrying about my self so much. I don’t think this is because I’m a better person now or anything like that, I think it has more to do with the fact that there simply isn’t enough time to obsess over the little stuff. So maybe the whole meaning crisis would be over if people just got busy doing stuff 😂
Marfolini
2024-10-16 16:28:51 +0000 UTCGreat episode! It’s bad enough that JBP serves word salads faster than yannick sinner serves his sets, but hearing him elevate it to the level of astral experiences, oh boy, thats some heavy narcissistic lifting right there
Idan Ca
2024-10-16 15:36:26 +0000 UTCFry & Laurie https://youtu.be/3MWpHQQ-wQg
jss
2024-10-16 14:27:11 +0000 UTCIt's not just that Jordan and John worship words, they worship *their* words, and thus their own intellects. One of the clips featured Jordan speculating that psychopathology may be the result of disordered or arrested developmental processes, with a kind of awe and reverence that suggested his ideas were somehow original. They're not. The entire history of psychodynamic theory (including his boy Jung's work) is based on this idea. And that's to say nothing of more modern and more empirical work in developmental psychopathology. For all the galaxy-brained references to ancient philosophy or religious imagery, I kinda wish that these guys would read a book (other than The Gulag Archipelago!!) that was written in the last 125 years. Is that too much to ask?!!?
Shaggy Rabbit
2024-10-16 14:17:28 +0000 UTCHa yes. Imagine Chris and Matt on that cruise ship. I’d love to see some DTG AI style art depicting this scenario.
Chris Clark
2024-10-16 13:44:30 +0000 UTCJV: “And I noticed that when you closed the fridge backstage in the green room, you moved out of the way of your personal assistant, who was trying to get to the coffee machine. You did this so graciously, and were so completely comfortable in delegating the task of refilling the Nespresso machine with coffee pods to him. You didn’t belittle him with excessive demands and you called him by his first name. You also said “goodbye” to everyone when we left and you had a pleasant, lingering smile on your face when you did so. It was wonderful to see. I look for these things in people, I believe we have a responsibility to be diligent observers of human behaviour. Responsibility is perhaps not even quite the right word-we could sharpen that up and call it a sacred duty to ourselves and others….to observe…” Christ shoot me now
Chris Clark
2024-10-16 11:42:01 +0000 UTCWow the level of mutual bumlickery between JP and JV in this slab of sense making you both heroically waded through is quite something.
Chris Clark
2024-10-16 11:32:59 +0000 UTCAmerican Catholics not the same as Irish Catholics 😉
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-16 11:28:07 +0000 UTCThe Peterson cruise sounds a lot like Scientology's "Sea Org". Now that I think about it, JP has a lot of overlap with L. Ron Hubbard.
Orlando Jones
2024-10-16 11:23:33 +0000 UTCI think this applies to other Abrahamic religions too. I had the same experience and was not raised catholic.
lun
2024-10-16 10:30:47 +0000 UTCAnother revealing bit was Vervaeke caveating not really being into Christianity by "I don't want to offend Christians, and I've shown that I'm very open to relegious interpretations, right? right?" It highlights how the Omega rule instead of creating an open space for free discussioins in practice enforces conformity and groupthink. Hyper-agreeable approach may be fine in the context of a single conversion, but as a longer-term social norm (as it is applied in practice by many) it seems quite unhealthy. It not only excludes views that are too contrarian, but it also creates a drift from more moderate positions to more extreme weirder views, because more moderate people has too "Yes and" them. Peterson at al. rail against "group-think universities afraid of contrarian ideas and offense and dominated by extreme leftist", but they basically implementing this caricature in practice with their culture of discussions.
Olexi Kondrat
2024-10-16 10:00:11 +0000 UTCHow did the plans for sense-making cruises escape (sail free from) a joke about “ship of fools”?
Shaggy Rabbit
2024-10-16 09:41:32 +0000 UTCI really appreciate these episodes because I’m curious about what these popular intellectuals are thinking and saying but I struggle to get through them. Something Peterson says got me wondering: do they ever talk about horror and the sublime as deeply as this? (Also, Aristotle and Jesus living in you together? Do they know Aristotle is typically brought to us Through Christianity, since medieval times? It’s like saying Mickey Mouse and Buzz Lightyear living in you together…)
Sean Power
2024-10-16 07:10:39 +0000 UTC@chris John's experience of religious fear in childhood is pretty common, at least here in the US. My dad and wife were both catholic and both of their early lives were filled with dread and anticipation of damnation. Their childhoods were more or less ruined. They are both seekers now, in different forms. It's really sad.
James P.
2024-10-16 06:56:22 +0000 UTCOh my god, JBP talking about delegation on tour is this scene from Extras https://youtu.be/iNEURfC9eEk?si=k9_54u4_k4-zkN8n
Níall Faughnan
2024-10-16 06:41:23 +0000 UTCI had a good, hearty laugh when Jordan said that a cruise was cheap compared to a university education.
Ben Godek
2024-10-16 06:12:49 +0000 UTCOh man this from JBP was just too much: "pointers, fractionated pointers in an upward direction. But the upward direction actually emerges as a consequence of their interactions across time, but not only across time, but across time in a social space..." Why say "developed through social interaction with other children" when you could say it like this? I got chills.
Ryan O'Rourke
2024-10-16 06:08:26 +0000 UTCNot a great decoding; maybe the mental illness of the source material can’t be overcome; my brain hurts and I feel violated
Eddy
2024-10-16 05:55:40 +0000 UTCYou never know—he does love doing podcasts! Well, I would love it if it was to ever happen. Thanks for the pod.
Stephen Lording
2024-10-16 01:41:45 +0000 UTCToo big for us I imagine!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-15 23:18:39 +0000 UTCIs there any chance you two could tee up a discussion with Tom Holland about Dominion? I personally loved the book, and found Tom's arguments convincing, and would love to hear you engage with him and push back in the way you do so well. You would make great jazz together.
Stephen Lording
2024-10-15 22:44:59 +0000 UTCI couldn't see it but there were moments that I was absolutely positive JBP had his eyes closed while finding the words
Níall Faughnan
2024-10-15 22:41:57 +0000 UTCGreat episode, thanks for the laughs 😊
Natasha Bride
2024-10-15 22:13:09 +0000 UTCVervaeke sounds like he has completely surrendered to the power imbalance between him and Peterson. Another aspect of this hyper excagerated respect to each other is that people end up sacrificing their self-respect in the process.
Olexi Kondrat
2024-10-15 22:11:20 +0000 UTCI’m in for $10 if you want to start a gofundme to buy Matt a chair that doesn’t squeak.
Kevin Nyberg
2024-10-15 20:51:11 +0000 UTCWhat’s the difference between dialogos and a dialogue? I feel I might not be enlightened enough.
Michal Lichota
2024-10-15 19:48:25 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/yEu0ULY21UI?si=Grub6FBalSLQkqw9 A Canadian named Peterson doing proper jazz
Nancy Hale
2024-10-15 19:04:55 +0000 UTCYes, Sengstock takes credit for Circling (which is copyrighted, of course) but know nothing ‘bout him. Just from my one experience it was so navel-gazey and inaccessible.
Nancy Hale
2024-10-15 19:03:17 +0000 UTCI think it was created by Guy Sengstock, was his name? He's done some talks with John that were pretty uninteresting… until I shut it off about 5-10 minutes later
Empty_Cognizance
2024-10-15 18:28:11 +0000 UTCIs it just me, or does Peterson constantly interrupt Vervaeke? And Vervaeke is simping like nobody's business.
Dries T.
2024-10-15 18:19:24 +0000 UTCSo Vervaeke is involved with the Circling Institute. Confession: I once attended a Circling meeting. It was, uh, interesting. Attendees paired up and a facilitator coached us to have conversations where you were encouraged to affirm and build upon whatever your partner was saying, so you could be “relateful.” We weren’t really given much in the way of topics or prompts and the conversations never seemed to go anywhere. Very vibe-y stuff. Makes sense (sorry) that Vervaeke would be aligned.
Nancy Hale
2024-10-15 18:16:25 +0000 UTCI wish Chris and Matt, in their Dia-logos, would more frequently express the profoundly deep gratitude for each other's offerings, especially since the wounds caused by last week's disagreements haven't fully healed yet.
spacetesla
2024-10-15 18:02:38 +0000 UTCI just don't know who those discussions are for besides themselves? But there is clearly an audience for it. It reminds of if you've ever kept choosing words at random on predictive text. It forms a sentence to some extent, the next word can follow the previous, but ultimately makes no sense.
George
2024-10-15 16:20:57 +0000 UTCI love you guys but I cannot listen to Jordan Peterson's voice. I'm so sorry.
Tristram Vahan Draper
2024-10-15 16:10:41 +0000 UTCI’ve probably commented this somewhere on a dtg podcast before, but logos is just Greek for word. The sensemakers love to sprinkle it liberally into their podcasts to make their arguments sound fancier. It’s in the Bible because the New Testament is written in Greek, not because it’s a special philosophical term.
Ben Godek
2024-10-15 14:50:11 +0000 UTCIt’s kind of amazing how much Jordan avoids engaging with actual atheist arguments. He just does his redefinition trick, where atheism=nihilism.
Ben Godek
2024-10-15 14:44:35 +0000 UTCThey have a cultural context for their anxiety and behaviour which brings relief. If they were not able to podcast, write books and be congratulated who knows where the anxiety would go? Cultural context and mental health is an evergreen area of speculation.
Nina Davies
2024-10-15 14:43:01 +0000 UTCA simple rejoinder to the idea that Christianity (or any other religious belief system) informs the morality of an atheist is to remind the other person that humans created these belief systems in the first place as ways to represent their moral values.
Linda Sears
2024-10-15 14:33:49 +0000 UTCThe Wizard addresses the meaning crisis. https://youtu.be/rDgXeYlpbOE?si=R1gUc8n_HSSEYY_-
Matthew Turner
2024-10-15 14:18:15 +0000 UTChttps://youtu.be/ilgBbGvZYQg?si=PwZsQbLlWX1BjdoC
Matthew Turner
2024-10-15 14:08:37 +0000 UTCWOOOW. That ad was the magic nugget of this episode! My mind is blown.
Chomagerider
2024-10-15 14:08:27 +0000 UTCMan... Endlessly pontificating JBP is such a waste of time. On the other hand, every second he spends doing it, he doesn't spend on climate change denial etc. so, I guess, more power to.him. please, Jordan, waffle more!
Chomagerider
2024-10-15 14:03:33 +0000 UTCYou can really hear Jordan thinking so hard about how each and every word out of Vervaeke’s mouth is going to prove his own points about force and power over other people. The man seems to be caught up in a whirlwind of his own supply.
Jen
2024-10-15 13:50:26 +0000 UTCThe first 2 hours were the funniest I have enjoyed since the Life of Brian. Infact, the Cruise of Jordan B. Peterson would make a marvellous satire (with cameos by Meryl Streep as Helen Lewis and Leanardo DiCaprio as Jonathan Pageau). I also really enjoyed your contemplation on why some people are religious thinkers and others aren't. I can't really understand why I have gone from atheist to religious to atheist interested in religion to really wanting to be religious but slowly becoming a confirmed atheist and having to live with it. Perhaps disappointment was the meaning I was seeking!
Nina Davies
2024-10-15 13:09:33 +0000 UTCThey do. Or 'the truth' or 'enlightenment'. Perhaps it is an over stimulation of the seeking instinct. Like addiction or over shopping ..... or scrolling.
Nina Davies
2024-10-15 12:49:38 +0000 UTCRegarding the Selfish Gene, it seemed to me that Dawkins was quite clear that humans have used culture to describe or determine how to live their lives. He mentions birth control multiple times as an example of this. The religious extremists are often the ones who want people to reproduce as much as possible.
Linda Sears
2024-10-15 12:47:07 +0000 UTCThank you! I was trying to remember that my whole commute home 😂
S Alexandra
2024-10-15 12:38:06 +0000 UTCI don’t drink anymore, but I’d love to take a shot every time I hear the word logos, just to make it through a Jordan Peterson ep.
S Alexandra
2024-10-15 12:37:25 +0000 UTCone of my favorite Fry and Laurie skits, never made the connection with sense makers
Augustin Cambau
2024-10-15 12:25:16 +0000 UTCSerious question. Do people really walk around day looking for meaning? And has the level of such searching increased in recent years?
john statham
2024-10-15 10:45:50 +0000 UTCLove a bit of Fry and Laurie
Shane Partington
2024-10-15 10:20:25 +0000 UTCSamwise DID go to the west 😤
OR
2024-10-15 09:41:55 +0000 UTCThere are certain episodes I listen to as soon as I get the notification, but anything related to 'sensemaking' isn't one of them. For this I need to be in a good mood.
lun
2024-10-15 09:01:23 +0000 UTCAs long as you confessed.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-15 08:48:30 +0000 UTCQuiet you.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-15 08:47:57 +0000 UTCTold him!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-15 08:47:38 +0000 UTCSorry Chris, haven't listened to it yet.
lun
2024-10-15 08:19:54 +0000 UTCTried to listen some old DTG episode to help me fall asleep, chose the one on Mikhaila Peterson, it starts with Matt presenting Chris as "the Gimli to my Legolas" or smth. And i wake up to this. This is strange, man.
Ion
2024-10-15 08:13:51 +0000 UTCThere are multiple problems that the species faces when trying to ascertain meaning. These are jumbo sized. Crises, or Numerous ‘crisisies’ if you will. NB: The plural of “crisis” is “crises”. It's a loanword from Latin and retains its original Latin plural noun form (similar to “analyses” and “bases”). It's wrong to write “crisises”
john statham
2024-10-15 08:09:33 +0000 UTCJordan is the “Ornette Coleman” of mind-jazz… and Chris and Matt are the “Buddy Rich” coming over and breaking his proverbial “mouth Sax” over their knees
Empty_Cognizance
2024-10-15 06:14:53 +0000 UTCRosie Cotton I believe is the Hobbit lady you were looking for
Ben Godek
2024-10-15 06:11:51 +0000 UTCIndulge in your “holidays” any time you like boys, this was an absolute treat
Mike Dawson
2024-10-15 06:08:45 +0000 UTCWhen I was an undergrad my friends and I used to have long conversations like these, usually under the influence of various substances, and often lasting til the wee hours of the morning. We had a similar kind of reverence as the sensemakers do for their own conversations. So I get it, but looking back as a now older man, nothing, and I mean NOTHING of value was being shared. The fact that Jordan and John are in their 50s and still think anything other than intellectual masturbation is going on is mind-boggling.
Will
2024-10-15 05:10:51 +0000 UTChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsGnqf3CUW8
Jack
2024-10-15 04:25:25 +0000 UTCA lot of Vervaeke lore. Zelazny and Hesse explains a lot
Dada de Broglie
2024-10-15 03:07:26 +0000 UTCThe universe doesn’t have a propensity towards complexity and order. Complexity, just like entropy, doesn’t change over time. Complexity and entropy fluctuate. We see particles interacting to create complexity at the same time that we see things breaking down into simpler parts. There’s no tendency one way or the other. Plus there’s observer bias, outside of human perception there’s no reason to think complexity is an objective state of reality. As usual Jordan is speaking out of his ass.
Christopher McLaughlin
2024-10-15 02:53:05 +0000 UTCJordan is so boring to me. Just go to church on Sundays and save us all from your insufferable word salad.
Mike Nelson
2024-10-15 01:04:40 +0000 UTCJust got to the Selfish Gene bit and am so triggered. I swear people go out of their way to misinterpret that book.
scottymfg
2024-10-15 01:00:58 +0000 UTCAwesome I’ll listen to this on my break
Shane Partington
2024-10-15 00:20:09 +0000 UTC45 minutes in, Jordan reinvents the terms for finite and infinite games. He takes it a step further and concludes infinite games are good, unqualified. I wonder if they've read James Carse.
Adam Sher
2024-10-15 00:20:03 +0000 UTC"The holy sacrament of indulgent conversation." - Chris 10:14-15
Adam Sher
2024-10-15 00:14:09 +0000 UTCWhat? Only 3 hours of this? Conversation of this magnitude demand at least 6 hours of analysis. I want my $3 back.
Judson
2024-10-15 00:07:30 +0000 UTCMind Jazz or "Mizz"
Roscoe 112
2024-10-15 00:03:17 +0000 UTCFloating around in the big sensemaking ocean, indeed
D
2024-10-14 23:48:07 +0000 UTCLove you guys! I’ve been watching too many YouTube videos about other weirdos and this is what I needed. 💚
Jen
2024-10-14 23:41:47 +0000 UTCListen to the first few mins and hear your answer!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-10-14 23:18:18 +0000 UTCOnly 3 hours? Slackers
Penrice
2024-10-14 22:56:04 +0000 UTCYea i as expecting Thiel, Naomi, Sabine or even Hobbes before since they had a higher %. What's the point of those surveys?
lun
2024-10-14 22:53:22 +0000 UTCBut Chris, I need to sleep now 😭
mobitobi
2024-10-14 22:52:32 +0000 UTCOh man I saw the poll results and thought this would happen waaay later. I can’t wait to fire up 40-50 additional paradigms in preparation for this heroes journey in which we will disentangle the strands of verbosity from The True Insight which surely emanates from this catalytic memetic romp of free styling mind-jazz.
D
2024-10-14 22:46:23 +0000 UTC
