Darryl Cooper, Nazi Apologetics & Discourse Disturbances
Added 2024-09-24 05:24:25 +0000 UTCJoin Matt and Chris for a deep dive into the discourse stirred up by Darryl Cooper’s controversial interview with Tucker Carlson. In this episode, the decoders tackle Cooper’s revisionist takes on Winston Churchill, Hitler, and WWII, asking whether throwing in strategic disclaimers really makes it all okay.
They also explore reactions from the wider comment-o-sphere, including the musings of libertarian firebrand/idiot Dave Smith, various historians and history YouTubers, and the hosts of Triggernometry, Konstantin and Francis, as they try to unpack Niall Ferguson’s sharp critique of Cooper. Along the way, Sam Harris enters the fray, on a search for grown-ups in the alternative media.
But does Harris offer a mature critique, or is he engaging in his own cycle of grievance-mongering? Matt and Chris examine his response and debate whether it rises above or contributes to the noise. Whether you are a staunch critic of Sam Harris or a devoted fan, we promise this episode has something to disappoint everyone!
Links
Triggernometry: “Tucker Has Become an Enabler of Fascists” - Sir Niall Ferguson
Free Press: Sohrab Ahmari. Pseudo-Scholars and the Rise of the Barbarian Right
SPLC: McInnes, Molyneux, and 4chan: Investigating pathways to the alt-right
Vox: Ezra Klein. Sam Harris, Charles Murray, and the allure of race science
Arthur Jensen Profile at SPLC. The researcher who contributed to the Neo-Nazi journal.
The Churchill Project. Reply to Darryl Cooper: The Truth About World War II.
The Bulwark: Robert Tracinski. The “Charlottesville Hoax” Hoax.
Comments
yep I'm going to bow out on this one. Props to y'all for being able to cover the full spectrum. Stupidity truly knows no bounds
Bill
2024-10-08 00:45:23 +0000 UTCI did too and not just because of the real issues but also because his voice reminds me of Ben Shapiro. 🤮
Sarah S
2024-10-04 15:36:29 +0000 UTCThanks for covering this. Right after it came out I had an older relative telling me how great it was. I was thinking this sounds like neo-nazi stuff but I also dont want to have to listen to 3 hours of it to have this conversation...
Ema Corro
2024-09-30 08:09:16 +0000 UTCSam Harris getting duped by the Haitian immigrant panic is about right. Takes any chance he gets to fight with his imagined “cultural relativist” adversaries to remind everyone, “assimilation is good, actually!” He’s really not as intellectual careful as he aestheticizes himself to be.
Sean Doody
2024-09-28 22:05:11 +0000 UTCYou are making false equivalences. Firstly, I never compared Harris to Hitler. Secondly, extending charity is fine but there is a limit. Thirdly, calling Harris a liberal is just false on evidence. It’s silly. Regardless of who he votes for, his content and rhetoric square 100% with him being a racist, reactionary culture warrior.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-28 01:59:36 +0000 UTCI think the charity and benefit of the doubt is precisely what moves the people who are on the fence about figures like Harris and other gurus. No sane person is going to move from having used 100h+ on a podcaster to « this person is basically hitler ». I believe being stringent and perceptive in one’s criticism while still extending kindness and compassion when possible is probably best.
Marfolini
2024-09-27 08:08:02 +0000 UTCSam Harris: I happen to know Dave as a deeply ethical person. Later on Rubins Twitter/X: «Mass expulsion of an ethnic group by a porn star. Lady, you’ve had too many loads blown on your face. « And «Why don’t you offer all of Hezbollah to move into your coochie?» Both in response to Mia Khalifa. I’m getting increasingly dizzy from all these big ideas. I’ll never return to conventional media now that I’ve been taught how to have polite conversations by an ethical person.
Marfolini
2024-09-27 07:43:11 +0000 UTCYeah i wouldn’t see him being on a “gurus” list. Any more than Chris and Matt themselves, lol. You could disagree with some of his takes but i think he’d score about an even zero on the all the gurometer categories.
Daniel Reed Miller
2024-09-27 03:29:16 +0000 UTCOr he could just do some research like suggested. 🤷🏻♂️
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-09-27 02:40:57 +0000 UTCCooper's feigned surprise at the response his appearance elicited is funny given that these people love to depict themselves as vessels of forbidden knowledge at all other times.
Jason K
2024-09-27 02:24:39 +0000 UTChe needs to visit the decoding the gurus online podcast comment section for the real secret truth
Matt C
2024-09-27 02:04:42 +0000 UTCVery interesting comments about Cooper! I didn't watch the interview with Carlson nor loot at his Twitter, but I have listened to a lot of his podcast. I was aware of the fascist allegations and kept a critical distance when listening, but still found the podcast great. Now that I have a clearer idea of the character of the man behind it, I wish I could find more in depth criticism of Martyrmade
Jean-François Melançon
2024-09-27 00:06:23 +0000 UTCIs he a guru though?
Jean-François Melançon
2024-09-26 23:53:55 +0000 UTCThe demonization of immigrants going on now in the US is very painful. Many of my students are either first or second generation immigrants from all over Africa, the Middle East, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, East Asia, especially Southeast Asia, and Central and South America. Most of them are just trying to make a life for themselves, and the second generation kids in particular seem more typically American than I am. The only former student at my college who caused massive harm was the El Paso shooter, who was white and racist and justified his actions with great replacement ideology.
Linda Sears
2024-09-26 12:08:47 +0000 UTCRory Stuart went on Chris Williamson's podcast and the comments section was absolutely catastrophic. Everyone was saying how out of touch he is, that he doesn't understand the pain of having immigrants cause crime, that the Welsh stabber being of Rwandan heritage means something. Completely missed all the conversations about the ineptitude of the Tory government, of the white hall crew making radical change more difficult etc.
Sam Mountjoy
2024-09-26 09:15:42 +0000 UTCDawkins is similar.
Jake
2024-09-26 08:51:32 +0000 UTCWith the new revelations about tenant media, I'm fully convinced tucker is being paid by Russia, dude managed to sneak a Russian apologist line about the current war when discussing WW2
Cameron Buff
2024-09-26 07:00:04 +0000 UTC"I don't understand why someone who was once a highly effective conservative broadcaster is, at least, enabling fascism"... Hmmm Niall, I don't know. Maybe Tim Pool might have a guess?
James P.
2024-09-26 05:07:01 +0000 UTCAn odd-looking duck 😂
Will
2024-09-26 02:29:12 +0000 UTCIt also works for capitalist banker vs communist Bolshevik and super genius masters of the world vs subhuman vermin.
Randy
2024-09-26 01:02:15 +0000 UTCJews are Schrodinger's white people. Both white and non-white depending on who's looking and why.
Randy
2024-09-26 00:53:14 +0000 UTCIs this where we shout out our North American cities and try to lure Matt with our local hamburger specialties? I can start with Pittsburgh PA!
Kerena
2024-09-26 00:50:34 +0000 UTCThank you for saying all the things I was thinking when I listened to that Sam Harris podcast.
Randy
2024-09-26 00:44:32 +0000 UTCWell and the Allies actually partitioned Germany and the Americans rewrote the Japanese constitution to pacify militarism. The post-WW2 peace was economically beneficial to Japan and Germany but some of the terms were “worse” than WW1 from a geopolitical realist perspective.
Brice F
2024-09-26 00:30:27 +0000 UTCWell, in Australia it seems that calling out someone for having racist views is far worse than actually being racist. Racism underpins Nazi ideology and Nazi apologists are simply giving credence to an abhorrent attitude.
Frances Sebesta
2024-09-26 00:22:57 +0000 UTCSam’s whole ‘but they’re nice to me in person so they can’t be that terrible thing’ schtick reminds me of (usually) men who defend their friends from accusations of sexual assault or (usually) white people who defend friends from accusations of racism, in both cases not believing victims, because hey, they were never uncool or violent or racist toward them! So frustrating, especially when it’s used to defend public figures who should be held accountable and challenged . Most people are probably cool one on one to their peers, or others who have some power in a situation. Great episode!!
Monica B.
2024-09-25 23:01:03 +0000 UTCI picked up on that also. Gross
Monica B.
2024-09-25 22:51:22 +0000 UTCI may be in the minority with this opinion, but I find Sam Harris absolutely mind-numbing to listen to. I usually listen to DtG while doing chores at home or clerical tasks at work, and find myself tuning him out almost immediately. His voice is like white noise.
Nerfherder
2024-09-25 20:13:55 +0000 UTCHow can Sam Harris consider himself an intellectual and be so intellectually lazy? It’s the same thing over and over again. He just doesn’t do any research.
Martin Birch
2024-09-25 19:40:10 +0000 UTCThe more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him. https://youtu.be/zqIyq83eWDA?si=pOCOGbYWNeA8M9NH
Adam Sher
2024-09-25 16:38:16 +0000 UTCI'm dead serious 😉
Chomagerider
2024-09-25 15:29:36 +0000 UTCDan Carlin's Hardcore history did a one off episode titled "Logical Insanity" that tried to explain the motivation for dropping the bomb. I liked the episode but it really did not persuade me. Later Carlin did a full series on WW2 in the pacific (SuperNova in the East) which actually did help me understand the motivation for dropping the atomic bomb. It is easy to look back in hindsight and say "dropping the atomic bombs was wrong" but if you could change history and not drop the bombs -- that decisions also costs many many deaths in a different way. The most important lesson of WW1, WW2 (and probably all wars) is the best course of action is avoiding war if you can. Instead of having our hypothetical time traveler changing the drop/no-drop decision, can we change an earlier decision and avert WW2 all together or greatly shrink the conflict?
Jonathan Cano
2024-09-25 15:27:57 +0000 UTCspeaking of Robert Evans (https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/) have you decoded him? I don't see his name when I search for it. Definitely belongs on the list.
Jonathan Cano
2024-09-25 15:15:25 +0000 UTCWhile Sam is easily triggered (e.g. like telling Trump his rallies are boring) it is also true that SPLC is guilty of that binary categorization of Sam as opposed this decoding episode. It makes me sad -- Sam really is great on the points you highlight but he is so naive and easy to hack. Just hide your power level with a few disclaimers and presto Sam is your buddy because the "woke mob is ignoring your disclaimers". Good on him for taking Chris's wisdom on board regarding Tucker Carlson though. Sam needs to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_skin Sam also needs to listen to Robert Evans (Behind the Bastards) audiobook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3cdREY_Ask . In that video or perhaps subsequent chapters Evans talks about the "hiding your power level" and white supremacy switching to a leaderless resistance model after several prosecutions by the FBI.
Jonathan Cano
2024-09-25 15:13:18 +0000 UTCSam Harris "I don't know Dave Rubin's content or even the person very well but I met him face to face a few time so I think he is a good guy" -- reminds me of GW Bush looking into Putin's eye's and seeing his (trustworthy) soul".
Jonathan Cano
2024-09-25 14:42:04 +0000 UTCPlease no. I never want to hear from that bloviating, bigoted blowhard again. For someone who is neither an intellectual or an academic, does little research and has a pathological inability to take criticism, he’s given far too much importance.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 12:55:42 +0000 UTCGreat pod. Nice pushback from *checks notes* Niall Ferguson (!!) *checks notes again* yes, indeed it is Niall Ferguson! Wow. Glad to see he put Konstantin and Francis in their places. In fact, I have read his book, War of the World, that he referenced in the episode and actually really enjoyed it. He has some interesting vignettes in there about the British soldier who captured miles of trenches single-handedly in WWI, which was not about heroism as such, but the fact that the Germans were exhausted and ready to surrender on the battlefield putting a lie to the claim that they lost through a "stab in the back". I think he may have also pointed out that despite Ludendorff and Hindenburg's suspicions, Jews DID fight in WWI, as a report that they commissioned then supressed showed. Another great book that might be interesting for debunking purposes is Richard Evans's account of himself as expert witness against David Irving when he tried to sue Deborah Lipstadt for libel. The book is called Lying For Hitler (I think), and shows all the ways that Irving twisted the primary sources to suit his exculpatory books about Hitler and the Nazis, and indeed why it was that Churchill was the real baddie. As has been mentioned, Churchill had some pretty big stains on his legacy but to claim he was worse than Hitler is an insane view.
Robert Andrews
2024-09-25 12:48:36 +0000 UTCGreat episode guys, thanks! And please if he comes back on the pod be prepared to smash him if he starts promoting ethnic cleansing again!! 🙏🙏
Dermot
2024-09-25 11:56:14 +0000 UTCCue Sambo Harris right to reply #3
Damien Ward
2024-09-25 11:29:21 +0000 UTCYep he’s a total guru and a bigoted reactionary culture warrior.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 10:33:50 +0000 UTCLol if Harris hired a team of researchers he would be so paranoid about them being “woke” that the bastard would end up hiring some right wing leaning researchers like in the Bari Weiss or Douglas Murray mould. After all he does outsource his rhetoric on immigration to “moderate centrist” Douglas Murray anyways.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 10:32:58 +0000 UTCHopefully you are being sarcastic lol! But one can never tell these days.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 10:27:52 +0000 UTC48:30
kurdelis
2024-09-25 10:06:20 +0000 UTCI thought so too.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-09-25 09:50:16 +0000 UTC3/ As for Sam Harris, screw that reactionary, bigoted bastard. You guys explained and articulated your disagreements really well. His pivot to Muslims in Europe and the pivot on Cooper was a classic Douglas Murray-esque move. Hell, I’m a liberal but I consider Bulwark to be much more intellectually honest, more substantial in its criticisms of progressives & the left compared to the supremely arrogant, thin skinned, Hollywood trust fund bastard Harris. I still disagree with you guys that you consider him some well meaning “liberal”. He’s most decidedly not. Or at least his content or rhetoric are not, regardless of who he votes for. Matt & Chris, you both make excellent criticisms of Harris but you also give him too much charity & benefit of the doubt. I’m sorry but enthusiastically promoting Douglas & Charles Murray, supporting torture, racial profiling, race-IQ science and making bigoted comments like “London has fallen to Islam” doesn’t make him not a racist. And that’s not even to mention the hundreds of other ignorant things that Harris has said about Sati, colonialism and other issues etc.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 09:43:14 +0000 UTCI'm Australian and I've had this argument with several fellow Aussies who will not budge.
Will
2024-09-25 09:36:26 +0000 UTC2/ As for the USA bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I am much more sympathetic to that than before. All you have to do is read the "Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang. The Japanese military's actions in China and elsewhere in Asia during WWII were more brutal and barbaric than Nazis. Just like the Nazis, those Shinto Buddhist fascists believed in racial supremacy theories (Japanese above everyone else) and had imperial ambitions to conquer large parts of Asia, (because it was unfair that China had so much land). Like modern Jihadists, they even practiced suicide bombing and martyrdom. So they had to be stopped at all costs. Japan even dropped bombs in West Bengal and in Darwin, Australia. And also unlike modern day Germans, the Japanese have never really atoned for what they did in the past. This is relevant for you Chris, since you live there. But from what I have read, Japanese kids don't know much about their country's fascist and genocidal history. They haven't paid much reparations and in fact many Japanese even laud those war criminals. See Yasukuni Shrine. Imagine Germany building a shrine for Nazis in Berlin. So, in sum total, Churchill was a monster, Americans had issues with slavery and segregation and the nuclear bomb was terrible; but unbelievably both were definitely the lesser of evils compared to the Japanese and Nazis.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 08:39:16 +0000 UTCExcellent episode boys! As someone of Indian and particularly Bengali heritage (I grew up in Kolkata before migrating to NZ and then Australia), Churchill is unquestionably a monster! And that is how he is perceived across large segments of Indian society. He made disgusting racist comments towards us like "I hate Indians, they are a beastly people, with a beastly religion. Famine or no famine, they breed like rabbits"! And only if it was just restricted to comments. His policies of diverting Bengali produced grain away to the British army was directly responsible for the Bengali Famine in 1943. It wasn't due to lack of rain or drought. Estimates vary but the famine killed around 1 million to 2.6 million people. It was horrific! I consider him a genocidal monster. However, despite my hatred of Churchill, I can acknowledge that he was fighting an even bigger and more openly genocidal monster named Hitler. So, I have zero sympathies for Daryl Cooper, who is clearly a Nazi sympathiser OR for Tucker Carlson, who clearly is a far-right ethnonationalist bigot.
SHOUNAK SARKAR
2024-09-25 08:32:58 +0000 UTCI wonder whether that may be because in the US racism is very much a black/ white thing. I have found it interesting that up until recently, the whole Middle East was seen as the foundation of European civilisation and colour didn’t come into it. I still see it that way.
Frances Sebesta
2024-09-25 08:26:37 +0000 UTCI'm convinced that Sam's real talent lies in articulating ideas clearly. Whether the ideas are right or wrong, it really stands out because he's such a talented wordsmith.
Will
2024-09-25 08:20:08 +0000 UTCMan, the whiplash with Sam is real. He has so many bad takes on things he shouldn't be even addressing bc its blatantly clear he's going off chinese whispers or assumptions. But when hes on point, he's on point. So infuriating.
Lys
2024-09-25 08:12:44 +0000 UTCIt really is quite spectacular for Sam to be so good at articulating rationally a problem and then completely breaking with logic altogether. It’s the flip side of saying, if Hitler was a vegan, vegans must be Nazis. Wtf.
Chris Wishy
2024-09-25 08:07:45 +0000 UTCThis is my Keeping Up With the Kardashians
Níall Faughnan
2024-09-25 07:50:49 +0000 UTCTimestamp of this? Would love to listen back
Níall Faughnan
2024-09-25 07:43:51 +0000 UTCMatt was spot on with his whiplash comment. I had the same feeling listening to the first part of this. He was saying great stuff about how awful and full of lies and fake content X is... cut to him saying he saw a video on X of a dog being spit roasted and who cares where it's from.
Jeremy Stewart
2024-09-25 06:53:22 +0000 UTCCould be overthinking it, but even the way Cooper said "Hitler and his boys" seemed almost affectionate.
Will
2024-09-25 06:52:07 +0000 UTCThat was an insane take from her, though. I've never understood people who insist that being Jewish is the same as being white when there are such clear differences in the way people perceive the two groups.
Will
2024-09-25 06:42:28 +0000 UTCOops, thanks for putting me straight. Might need to look at the history books myself.
Frances Sebesta
2024-09-25 06:33:13 +0000 UTClol That was Whoopi Goldberg.
Will
2024-09-25 06:04:46 +0000 UTCDon’t forget, until recently Oprah Winfrey thought the Holocaust was just one bunch of white guys beating up another bunch of white guys. And had nothing to do with racism. Thankfully, someone took her quietly away and gave her a history lesson. While WW1 and WW2 are fairly central to history syllabi in Europe, the UK and Australia, I am not sure it is in the US.
Frances Sebesta
2024-09-25 05:44:44 +0000 UTCA fitness guru, ex seal i think, so obviously a podcaster
Idan Ca
2024-09-25 05:17:46 +0000 UTCSaying “white British people will be a minority, and that’s a problem” is just open racism right? How can that be interpreted any other way?
Ben Godek
2024-09-25 05:04:04 +0000 UTCWait to all these religious/new found religious/anti immigrant/great replacement theorist folks find out that all these people in the Bible aren’t white. Going to be a sad day.
Floatgoat.
2024-09-25 03:16:22 +0000 UTCMy dad double-clicks on them and then gets triggered when they won't open or open twice
Chomagerider
2024-09-25 02:08:46 +0000 UTCChris, you really have to calibrate your political compass. Bari Weiss isn't conservative! Rand Paul just called her and the FP "on the left"... oh, her and Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald... so there... 🤮
Chomagerider
2024-09-25 02:08:14 +0000 UTCI feel terrible for this poor misunderstood Hitler fella🤡.
Floatgoat.
2024-09-25 02:03:10 +0000 UTCGreat ep! So satisfying to hear Matt mispronounce Haitian the same way I always did until not so long ago :D
Spartacus Mills
2024-09-25 01:30:28 +0000 UTCYes
Adam Sher
2024-09-25 01:28:02 +0000 UTCwho is this pinhead named "jocko"??
Russell Halberdt
2024-09-25 01:02:39 +0000 UTCDoes Sam normally double-click links? Or only when he's triggered?
Trees
2024-09-25 01:00:43 +0000 UTCWow... Absolutely stunning how much of an effect one link can have on him. His grievance BS overwrites his whole OS... What a child.
Chomagerider
2024-09-25 00:29:16 +0000 UTCBtw, some of you might enjoy the opening 20mins of an episode of Good Fellows from last year. Niall Ferguson clashes with historian Stephen Kotkin over NF's anti-biden partisanship re geopolitics . The dynamic is reminiscsnt of the Triggernometry NF episode but with NF being in the Konstantin/ Francis role instead. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1HhckoqRmzLP3oiO6JIfmU?si=6H0lmYLaRi-OGzRKfq0C3g
Alex H
2024-09-24 23:52:44 +0000 UTCThis was a great episode pointing out Sam's failures in reasoning and I hope he does listen to it, and takes it on board...probably not. What I think he should do, if he doesn't have time to do his own research, is hire a team to do it for him. How much would you charge him Chris and Matt. I'd rather pay you in advance for the right information than get criticized by you pro bono.
Kyle
2024-09-24 23:29:17 +0000 UTCThat's not really true though. He has several podcasts guests who come from, work at, or contribute to mainstream media and academics. I agree though that his obsession on wokeness distorts his perception of things for sure.
Kyle
2024-09-24 23:25:33 +0000 UTCReally interesting episode guys!
Sam D.
2024-09-24 22:57:26 +0000 UTCIs that clip of Sam Harris discussing Rubin from the Polite Conversations show?
Emily
2024-09-24 22:51:35 +0000 UTCGreat episode! Sam beautifully rode the barrel of a mighty discourse wave, but was smashed upon the rocks of negative polarisation. What a ride though!
Alex H
2024-09-24 21:37:56 +0000 UTCSam's comment about Dave Rubin being very ethical and very journalistic aged poorly. 💩 ouch.
Adam Sher
2024-09-24 21:25:55 +0000 UTCThe conservative revisionists need to be beaten over the head with Timothy Synder’s book Bloodlands. Also our far left flank should also take note of what Stalin was up to in the name of collectivisation directed towards Soviet Ukraine and Poland particularly
Mark Francis
2024-09-24 21:12:07 +0000 UTCSam just really comes across as a guy that gets his news from headlines on Twitter rather than reading into any of the issues he speaks on.
Anonymous ethicist, not a serial killer at all, just asking questions.
2024-09-24 21:11:24 +0000 UTCIt’s so weird isn’t it-all these people Sam berates for just “flipping on the microphone and shooting the shit”
Chris Clark
2024-09-24 21:10:30 +0000 UTCBut for real though, people rightly say that Sam should “do more research” on people and things before he opines about them, but what would that actually look like? Sam doesn’t trust academia or the media because of perceived woke capture. His first instinct is always to talk to the source itself because he wants his information unmediated. Yet he demonstrates again and again why that’s such a bad approach to getting information. So what is he to do? I’d of course suggest that he jettison his weird obsession with wokeness and deal more particularly with whatever issues that he’s grouping under the label, but it seems to be baked in at this point.
Jenson
2024-09-24 21:09:45 +0000 UTCIsn’t the much of the endeavor of post war reconstruction in Europe and Japan based on the fact that the harsh treaty after WWI destabilized Germany and caused a power vacuum? Of course people talk about WWII in complex ways.
JGraves
2024-09-24 21:00:05 +0000 UTCThe most unhinged thing that that Sam has said yet is that he double clicked on a hyperlink
Jenson
2024-09-24 20:57:28 +0000 UTCDave Smith
Adam Sher
2024-09-24 20:00:42 +0000 UTCHaha I'm in the same boat. They're insufferable
Curtis Kofoed
2024-09-24 20:00:09 +0000 UTCIn an episode with a full on Nazi and whatever Tucker is, I get more triggered by Kisin and Frances. I guess the name of their podcast is quite appropriate/genius 😩
lun
2024-09-24 19:59:11 +0000 UTCNice to return to some non Dr.K content. I struggled to listen to Dr. K.
Anonymous ethicist, not a serial killer at all, just asking questions.
2024-09-24 19:57:13 +0000 UTCHey I posted that on the chat some days ago 😁
lun
2024-09-24 19:50:00 +0000 UTCThanks very much for your brilliant analysis of sam harris’ bullshit re springville
Conal dunn
2024-09-24 18:54:03 +0000 UTCI actually think you're being too charitable to Harris here. I don't think he's read the Bell Curve at all, rather he has constructed in his mind a very broad, loose conception of its contents. Well meaning naivete is its own kind of maliciousness
Reinert
2024-09-24 18:29:52 +0000 UTCIs there a man dumber than Frances on Triggernometry? This argument he and Kisin make that perceived problems with the left somehow justify their absurdly sloppy reasoning. It's like saying I get to crash my car because someone else got a DUI. Also, this notion that, due to changing demographics, white British people may not recognize "their" country in a decade or two, is so gross - Britain is just as much the country of the next generation as it is the country of this one.
Curtis Kofoed
2024-09-24 18:21:02 +0000 UTCThat being said: I sort of like three metaphor itself, he's probably describing something real there. I just can't see *any* ground for thinking it applies to Cooper. The Twitter trolling certainly doesn't point that way: why in the world would Harris sweep that under the rug in that way?
Dries T.
2024-09-24 18:08:39 +0000 UTCJesus, hearing it back, I'm completely floored by *how much* charity Harris extends to Cooper. There is such a long way between vaguely suspecting somebody might be misunderstood, and this complex argument about the metaphorical bomb - all without any justification as to why he suspects this must have been what really happened, as far as I can tell.
Dries T.
2024-09-24 18:06:09 +0000 UTCNiall Ferguson is a serious right wing person and the majority of right wing podcasters are not. I'd go so far as to say they are a joke.
Tim Tripp
2024-09-24 17:46:29 +0000 UTCAs a Sam Harris subscriber and a centrist person without any biases whatsoever (!), I find your critique of Sam's output very fair and justified. I hope he takes note :-)
Andreas Singer
2024-09-24 16:01:08 +0000 UTCJesus, with hindsight Harris sounds so incredibly dumb in that old clip with Eiynah. How many times is he going to let history repeat itself?
332
2024-09-24 15:18:14 +0000 UTCI absolutely learned about Versailles too. Clearly these two didn’t pay much attention in history class though.
Ben Godek
2024-09-24 15:11:31 +0000 UTCIt’s just for the record 😉
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-09-24 14:56:42 +0000 UTCSuch a petty low blow to play back your first RtR episode. WELL DONE!!!😂😂😂
Chomagerider
2024-09-24 14:46:44 +0000 UTCI think Matt's assessment of Sam as someone who "means well" and thus isn't racist, is very strange. You don't need to be malicious in order to be racist, in fact I think most racists "mean well".
David Noble
2024-09-24 14:31:50 +0000 UTCLet me see if I have this right. People responded to Cooper on his interview on Tucker. Sam responded to the response. Matt and Chris responded to Sam's response to the response. Well, as long as I get the content I don't mind this.
Tuomas V
2024-09-24 13:31:00 +0000 UTCWhen Harris relitigates the Charles Murray/Bell Curve debacle, he said that disparities between racial groups must exist. Which disparity is he talking about? The disparate conditions/education level/wealth or disparities in genetics that determine intelligence? Because if it's the latter then it really seems like he fundamentally agrees with the message of The Bell Curve, and is racist.
David Noble
2024-09-24 13:29:35 +0000 UTCPleased to hear this. The original interview was so ridiculous that I just couldn't begin to be interested in debunking it but pleased so many historians did! Sam reminds me of someone in a cult. You can have a reasonable conversation with them until you criticise their teacher or one of their culty friends and then they start to splutter cult speak.
Nina Davies
2024-09-24 13:28:58 +0000 UTCFFS Sam, just do a little bit of research on your guests. Just a wee interweb search. Or hire a researcher 🤦♀️
S Alexandra
2024-09-24 13:25:35 +0000 UTCI did Versailles and my children did Versailles. My children also had quite a lot of interesting information about Hitler trying to create an illusion of military strength for foreign visitors by flying the same group of fighter planes to different airfields. Which would be an odd move for a peace loving hippy.
Nina Davies
2024-09-24 13:21:16 +0000 UTCOh I just LOVE the Eiynah reference where Sam muses about Rubin's possibly "journalistic agenda".
David Noble
2024-09-24 13:12:41 +0000 UTCAlso learned that in HS in 2002
Adam Sher
2024-09-24 13:08:32 +0000 UTCI'm reading Forgotton Ally about Japan's Invasion of China in 1937. The book claims this was the start of WWII. So far, very interesting
Adam Sher
2024-09-24 13:06:42 +0000 UTCPlease do Curtis Yarvin. I’ve been waiting for people smarter than me to tear into this guy. There’s so much there.
Kelley
2024-09-24 12:58:26 +0000 UTCU know what they say, the only good nazi apologist is a punched in the face nazi apologist.
Idan Ca
2024-09-24 12:56:09 +0000 UTCBack in the mid-80s in High School, I too learned about the Versailles treaty as devastating Germany’s economy. I don’t know what schooling Tucker and Cooper received, but that was a pretty standard part of the curriculum.
Linda Sears
2024-09-24 12:32:08 +0000 UTCI was wondering how long it would take for Tucker to find parallels between the “good” Nazis in WWII and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It wasn’t long. What was a little surprising was that Tucker hinted that the American Founding Fathers may not be all good.
Linda Sears
2024-09-24 12:25:52 +0000 UTCSo there is no reaction or discussion because Matt never heard it. But note that specific clip is from the past episode with Sam where I played that clip to Sam and specifically highlighted it was from Euynah
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-09-24 12:05:27 +0000 UTCI added it in, in post because I didn’t have the clip handy.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-09-24 12:04:20 +0000 UTCI have come to the conclusion that the very essence of Sam Harris' being is the ability to have dinner with people. If he does ANYTHING to sacrifice a nice chat over dinner, he would shrivel up and implode. Perhaps he hosts a grievance dinner chat, where him and everyone else who has been misaligned in any sort of outlet can come together over a nice roast, and wax lyrical about how nobody understands them. Maybe all Sam needed was a good ol fashioned emo phase in his teens, and get all the 'nobody gets me' out of his system
Daniel Richards
2024-09-24 11:24:14 +0000 UTCI physically cringed when Sam Harris's really excellent discussion once again degraded into bashing Ezra Klein again, somebody really needs to sit those two down in a room and give them an intervention. They're aligned on all the important topics now, but they're just both too egotistical to put it aside.
Sammy Martin
2024-09-24 11:01:21 +0000 UTCNial Ferguson versus Kisin is basically the equivalent of a dalek versus a toddler with whooping cough. Ferguson has his problems, but he's a real conservative as opposed to a fake anti establishment poser.
Sammy Martin
2024-09-24 11:00:33 +0000 UTCDave Smith deserves a decoding
Charlie Friedberg
2024-09-24 10:47:57 +0000 UTCI'm hoarding books about imperial Japan and pacific war. I haven't read a single one yet. My collection is nevertheless significant and I limit myself to books published in polish.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-09-24 10:16:23 +0000 UTCJust starting to listen, eager to be disappointed!
David Noble
2024-09-24 10:04:13 +0000 UTCLaughed out loud when heard Matt's impression of the trigernometry guy :DD
kurdelis
2024-09-24 10:01:07 +0000 UTCOverall a very good episode! Thanks :)
IDW Dinner Club
2024-09-24 10:00:56 +0000 UTCAround 1:45:30 we are hearing Eiynah. I think would be good to give her proper credit and mention her name because she was (I think) the first to really catch on to and criticize Sam’s bad heuristics. And it would be good and fair to have her mentioned in the links as well.
IDW Dinner Club
2024-09-24 09:55:45 +0000 UTCSam said that he realized during his meditations that there is no "you" out there. For the next level of enlightenment, he should strive to figure out what's the deal with this "me" that gets him triggered all the time. "they wrote bad things about me!?!" - reflect a bit on the sensations in your body, do an fMRI scan while you read the SPLC archive.
Emil Mi
2024-09-24 09:27:11 +0000 UTCFor some reason an Irish guy talking about Hitler made me thing of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFDW2E9HU6M
Jack
2024-09-24 09:09:15 +0000 UTCI know the term "white supremacy" gets thrown about, more than it should be, but Carlson's constant obsession with "globalists", "the elite", "dirty immigrants" and race in general is just Richard Spencer level bullshit dressed up with a bow-tie. I just wish they would say what they mean, the faux-credulity is so transparent. Sam is one of the few people I genuinely believe just doesn't understand people lie about their motivations, sweet summer child.
Jack
2024-09-24 09:06:51 +0000 UTCQuite lovely to hear Ferguson talk about his children and the future, and not playing into the fear mongering.
Kyle
2024-09-24 07:20:29 +0000 UTC‘Something to disappoint everyone’ - new DTG slogan?! 🤣
JayDubbyah
2024-09-24 06:17:37 +0000 UTCSo right Chris, the Versailles Treaty was taught in my social studies class in high school. I remember that I upset my Nana by trying to explain that the conditions of the treaty were a mistake because it prepared the grounds for a character like Hitler to be appealing to Germans (my high school interpretation lol). She thought I was trying to justify the war and obviously for her, having lived through the war, there was zero tolerance for a nuanced discussion. Alas, the one subject I liked in high school shot down by my lovely Nan, rest her soul 🤣
Kyle
2024-09-24 06:11:29 +0000 UTCAlways right on time🙏
Lillie
2024-09-24 05:36:58 +0000 UTC
