Supplementary Material 11: Alex Jones is at it again
Added 2024-07-27 08:06:19 +0000 UTCWe are a little behind the news cycle with this release, so our apologies for that. This was recorded after Trump's assassination attempt but before Biden announced he was stepping down. We will be back with the Gurusphere's insane reaction to that event next time. Here we consider:
Trump's leaked conversation with RFK Junior
A very special request from Matt
Tammy Peterson's admiration for Tommy Robinson
Alex Jones releasing NEW Sandy Hook conspiracy theories on InfoWars
Jonathan Pageau's new spin on Intelligent Design
The Fifth Column and selective application of criticism
Bari Weiss' Free Press visits the RNC
Moynihan's interview of Anna Khachiyan
Our now totally out-of-date political opinions on Biden
LinksJordan Peterson: Why the Establishment Hates This Man | Tommy Robinson | EP 462
Comments
The DTG subreddit seems to hate Michael so I wonder if that influenced this choice.
Sarah S
2024-08-20 16:34:27 +0000 UTCYes and a sore brain
Bobby Wayward
2024-07-31 19:26:46 +0000 UTCDoes anyone else get a sore throat when they listen to Alex Jones?
Lina Neild Robinson
2024-07-31 08:51:53 +0000 UTCI have listened to enough of this podcast to trust the hosts characterization of what these people they are spotlighting have said. (Because they attach actual audio quotes to support their assessment) I’m glad to have reached this level of trust with them so that I may skip through the cringiest Alex Jones clips and get the cliff notes from the guys. Keep it up!
Bobby Wayward
2024-07-30 19:43:09 +0000 UTCBari Weiss and The Free Press have been overtly partisan since Trump overtook the primaries. Most of their editorial pieces now are straight party line.
Hugh Crow
2024-07-29 19:38:41 +0000 UTCI only follow 2 patreon channels: dtg and conspirituality. Patreon's top recommendation for me? Red Scare 😅
Jonathan Southern
2024-07-29 14:55:03 +0000 UTCGreat episode! I find Alex Jones so disturbing : ( That was hard to listen to! Also totally agree with Matt that hearing current staffers talk is encouraging, and the distinction of their being ‘not weird’ was spot on! It’s like you know it when you se it, and I felt I knew just what he meant. Thanks for the work!
Monica B.
2024-07-29 02:26:18 +0000 UTCYes you do!!! : )
Monica B.
2024-07-29 02:23:26 +0000 UTCI’m both dreading and sooo curious for their take! I’m a fan, and just don’t see him as a guru!
Monica B.
2024-07-29 02:22:41 +0000 UTCHaha, libertarians are always good for a laugh.
David Noble
2024-07-28 18:09:35 +0000 UTCShe doesn't mention it! She is pretty clear that she though that the last Tory government were awful - she never liked Boris Johnson and I suspect she quite likes Keir Starmer. She still reads the Daily Mail though but hasn't sent me cuttings from it for a few years now!
Nina Davies
2024-07-28 16:20:49 +0000 UTCAlso true (for Moynihan 😉)!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-28 15:39:05 +0000 UTCI think there is a similarity in your and his ability to rant for very long periods which are major pluses to your respective podcasts.
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 13:11:16 +0000 UTCYeah, agreed. I still like the Fifth Column but find the blind spots/indulgence rather annoying.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-28 13:09:47 +0000 UTCOr maybe this one https://chrt.fm/track/288D49/chrt.fm/track/384D27/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/sxm.simplecastaudio.com/853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7/episodes/c210fa69-15ad-4fea-a17e-feab9286bffe/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7&awEpisodeId=c210fa69-15ad-4fea-a17e-feab9286bffe&feed=RV1USAfC
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 13:01:44 +0000 UTCHas she regretted that position, Nina?
Linda Sears
2024-07-28 12:55:21 +0000 UTCPossibly this one. It's hard to tell because Kelly will start to rant on something that's not in the show notes https://chrt.fm/track/288D49/chrt.fm/track/384D27/pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/sxm.simplecastaudio.com/853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7/episodes/502ca599-b0a1-4498-b963-97e9171b7f0a/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=853ccd10-364f-4b0b-831e-c2bed24d85e7&awEpisodeId=502ca599-b0a1-4498-b963-97e9171b7f0a&feed=RV1USAfC
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 12:32:57 +0000 UTCI think Moynhian would be a good guest on DtG and would handle the criticism with aplomb
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 12:20:42 +0000 UTCI grant a lot of that. He is similarly indulgent of Shadi when he's been on the Fifth so while there may be a bias in quantity of right v left people he extends it to both
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 12:18:49 +0000 UTCYeah, I don't really buy that 1) because he expresses similar opinions on the pod, 2) he is not consistently indulgent, 3) he works for the Free Press and Megyn Kelly for a reason, 4) the DeSantis event... I like Moynihan but he's not scrupulous when it comes to applying criticism. He treats Anna with kid gloves that he would not many other people.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-28 12:16:03 +0000 UTCMoynihan talks to Batya a bit, and she comes on the pod. It's clear they don't agree with basically anything she advocates but The Fifth gents do place very high value on civility.
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 12:05:37 +0000 UTCMoynihan said on many occasions he let's people speak and makes his views clear on the pod where he otherwise talks almost uninterrupted for 2 hours. I grant that this approach can give the impression that the guest speaker's views are more acceptable or thought through than they otherwise would be. In addition, it requires the listener to be very familiar with MM's content in order to get a sense for why he's interviewing a person. I felt the Ana portion wasn't that significant and the other people he interviewed provided more substance to analyze.
Adam Sher
2024-07-28 12:03:45 +0000 UTChttps://catholicherald.co.uk/interview-soon-to-be-catholic-tammy-peterson-on-marriage-religion-and-the-power-of-femininist Not sure if people have come across this article. Interesting to see how immersed the alt right is with extreme religious groups. Even konstatin gets a mention if you search for articles for jordan Peterstone in the heralds article search engine.
Rambo Billy
2024-07-28 11:07:23 +0000 UTCI was surprised when they said that... Realised I follow three of his podcasts (so maybe he is a bit of a guru), but always saw the cohosts as slightly more charismatic.
Ema Corro
2024-07-28 08:44:06 +0000 UTCMy Mum is in her 80s so can remember a time pre-NHS so is completely on board with vaccines and anything else doctors suggest she do! However, she voted Brexit because ..... something about the French and fish and something about life being better when we pickled our own onions and made our own jam during the war.
Nina Davies
2024-07-28 08:14:37 +0000 UTCI much prefer these compilation episodes as I find the subjects too insufferable on the ‘depth’ issues. I was not disappointed in the Moynihan criticism and hope that he hears it. Not nearly enough Andrew Gold though. He’s gone full in on anti- Gender spite, 3 years too late.
john statham
2024-07-28 07:37:06 +0000 UTCSay what you will about what he does with it, but I would say that Jordan is obviously an intelligent guy. Tammy comes across as an absolute airhead and I'd suspect Jordan prefers it that way.
Will
2024-07-28 07:33:58 +0000 UTCThese gurus… so smart at being so stupid
Gavin Ryan
2024-07-28 07:02:47 +0000 UTCIt was about a year ago, Megyn Kelly was going on about something in the news of someone cross dressing at work and all 3 shut her down pretty quickly. They seem to have a thing at this point where they talk about what the agree on and there's a mutual tempering of views. I will give it too them that they do offer a more independent libertarian tempered view to her audience. And her hard core audience doesn't really like them if you read the YouTube comments. Moynihan doesn't understand millennials worth anything and maybe only knows Anna through listening to blocked and reported and Jesse Signal making quips about enjoying red scare
Griffia
2024-07-28 06:49:46 +0000 UTCNot exactly. Much smarter than Konstantin and co. More ‘Classical Libertarian’ journalists. They can do good work e.g. see them debate with Coleman on RFK Jnr.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-28 05:39:33 +0000 UTCWhich is probably why I ended up here!
Emma
2024-07-28 05:39:06 +0000 UTCI know right. Most of my friends are trying to be as different from their parents as humanly possible! We compete w each other to tell the maddest stories about our parents and other older family members. I often win because during the pandemic my family became hard core anti vaxxers! 😔
Emma
2024-07-28 05:38:36 +0000 UTCBahaha
Emma
2024-07-28 05:34:08 +0000 UTCAlmost self aware!
Emma
2024-07-28 05:22:31 +0000 UTCI've never heard of the Fifth Column, but they seem like standard enlightened centrists.
David Noble
2024-07-27 23:22:33 +0000 UTCWhen? Genuinely would like to see!
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-27 22:22:35 +0000 UTC“Go in peace to love and serve the Lord..” lmfao. Simply the best!
Julie
2024-07-27 21:26:21 +0000 UTCI will say 5th collumn went hard on Megan when it came to transgenderism and called her out on her bs
Griffia
2024-07-27 21:01:23 +0000 UTCI know Freud isn’t exactly in style these days in the field of psychology, but Tammy Peterson’s “I like political figures who remind me of my combative father” statement has me reconsidering.
Ben Godek
2024-07-27 20:44:12 +0000 UTCYou might say Chris wouldn’t touch Matt’s pole metaphor with a ten foot pole.
Ben Godek
2024-07-27 20:13:19 +0000 UTCIt's amazing how much Peterson's wife sounds just like a female version of him
Jenson
2024-07-27 17:26:23 +0000 UTCThanks, Professor Matt, for bringing some of that Australian sunshine to the sign out. A little positivity would be sooo refreshing right now. It takes real bravery to stand up in front of a large group of people and say “you know what? I think this thing is good.” 🌞😎✌️🦘🌊🏄🏄♀️🏄♂️
Dada de Broglie
2024-07-27 16:43:28 +0000 UTCThis was so tiresome. A log cabin in the woods is really appealing to me at the moment.
Tim Tripp
2024-07-27 15:50:38 +0000 UTCI am liking the criticism of Moynihan, without having heard it, because I’ve found the 5th Column a bit smug of late.
john statham
2024-07-27 15:35:39 +0000 UTCYes, it was telling when Peterson said to her “you like disagreeable men.”
Linda Sears
2024-07-27 14:32:23 +0000 UTCYou leave Michael Hobbes out of this! That man is a treasure!
Kelley
2024-07-27 14:31:18 +0000 UTCIt’s interesting to learn that Alex Jones’s mom was behind his choice to bring back Sandy Hook. I was going to blame Brand’s praying session for rejuvenating him.
Linda Sears
2024-07-27 14:30:58 +0000 UTCAlso, it's really sad to see how much the gap between Brett and Alex Jones has really closed...or maybe it was never really there? Who nose 🤥
Zelda Hershy
2024-07-27 13:15:29 +0000 UTCGreat observation about the family influence factor. Honestly reminds me of my own family of origin. Dad doesnt say much about politics, says it doesnt matter because "god is in control". But what's that, mom's in the kitchen listening to rush limbaugh and getting worked up about immigration and welfare queens - turns out they've been right wingers in the bedroom all along ....
Zelda Hershy
2024-07-27 13:13:50 +0000 UTC🙋♀️ you have creatives!
Lillie
2024-07-27 13:05:55 +0000 UTCNot a surprise that JP's wife has bad taste in men!
Emma
2024-07-27 13:00:15 +0000 UTCAlex really should count himself lucky none of the Sandyhook parents has come after him after all his hideously grotesque behaviour! Outside doing actual violence, it doesn’t get much worse! Also listen to fifth column sometimes. Foerster is generally really good. Mohniyan defintely gets annoying though. Especially with his blinkered Gaza takes. Really detracts from the show none are making any of the points Jessie Singleton made in the clip Chris played when they discuss Gaza…. Peaked in on a couple of Mohniyans podcasts on Bari Weiss’s show - they are almost unlistenable with the guests he has on! Really bad content…. I think I might be getting Chris’s bad habits of listening to things I know will likely be frustrating!! 😬😆🤦♂️
Chris Wishy
2024-07-27 12:53:35 +0000 UTCWell, that was all dreadful. I used to like The Fifth Column but I find that Moynihan in particular loves the sound of his own voice too much and hence doesn't have time to think about what is coming out of his mouth. Ditto all of these people. Also, why is it that I know hardly anyone who holds the same political views as their parents? And here you have found a two great conspiratorial dynasties?
Nina Davies
2024-07-27 11:17:11 +0000 UTCI think Moynihan has a soft spot for a well-turned ankle, which may explain his going gentle on Megyn Kelly and Anna from Red Scare. He rarely tears into the ladies.
Gavin Boyter
2024-07-27 10:45:12 +0000 UTCAlex Jones is an awful piece of shit
Níall Faughnan
2024-07-27 10:29:30 +0000 UTCThank you!
HustleTron9000
2024-07-27 10:15:07 +0000 UTCThis will be my reward for getting my reading done, thank you! :)
Ymirsdreams
2024-07-27 08:18:14 +0000 UTCI was hoping you guys were going to cover the Alex Jones stuff. Heard Dan and Jordan’s reaction. Listening now
Shane Partington
2024-07-27 08:08:12 +0000 UTC
