Ranking the Gurus
Added 2024-07-22 07:19:15 +0000 UTCSince we have been doing this for a while we thought it might be fun to have a light-hearted tier-ranking video of all the previous decoding figures.
So find our tier ranking and discussion attached, and play along at home if you like at this link: https://tiermaker.com/create/modern-gurus-17331102
Editor Andy will make a nicer version in a while so consider this the early raw cut with no fancy editing!
Comments
S = sigma, right?
BZ00000
2024-07-25 15:21:21 +0000 UTCMoon was an outlier, so I think you’re okay not including him. Although it would be funny to see his face sitting beside Brand’s.
Linda Sears
2024-07-25 13:18:49 +0000 UTCTo be fair to Sam, anyone who emails to ask for a free sub because they can’t afford one gets it. That’s pretty poor profiteering.
Gavin Boyter
2024-07-25 10:07:23 +0000 UTCGod damn it
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-24 22:49:39 +0000 UTCOh, yeah. I wasn’t saying being left or right made someone a guru, just that his ability to convince his followers that he *is* of the left is illustrative of his skill *as* a guru. Unlike most of the other people you cover, he actually offers a path to spiritual and moral enlightenment (albeit through a paid podcast and an app, rather than a back and mortar cult). The profiteering thing you are right, I just mean that a lot of the others need to do the protesting more, so being super rich matters because you don’t need to do it. Same thing with Musk, he doesn’t sell supplements and actively squanders money to secure power/influence, but he is still in S.
Intergalactic Panda Wrangler
2024-07-24 15:36:37 +0000 UTCFair enough
Reinert
2024-07-24 05:27:54 +0000 UTCI concur. Harris has a talent for making hysterical ideas sound reasonable.
David Noble
2024-07-24 00:20:01 +0000 UTCWould love to hear more about what Matt has to say about Russell Brand
Níall Faughnan
2024-07-23 22:38:03 +0000 UTCExcessive profiteering isn’t to do with how wealthy you are. And guru-ness isn’t determined by whether you are right wing politically. That said after discussion with Matt we did come down on B, 😉.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-23 21:18:27 +0000 UTCSelf aggrandisement? He literally thinks he has transcended the self. Profiteering? He is certainly among the richest of the gurus discussed (although a lot of that is inherited), and once his followers became dedicated enough, made his podcast subscriber only, and now charges his disciples $20 a month to learn to think like him and become enlightened. Conspiracy proneness? He thinks all institutions have been ‘captured’ by the woke left conspiracy and is still talking about lab leak. That also speak to antiestablishmentarianism. Cassandra complex? He has been predicting (incorrectly) that there will be and claiming (incorrectly) that there is a Muslim take over in Europe for around two decades. These are only some examples, but his greatest skill as a guru is convincing people that none of this counts, that he is liberal or even ‘of the left’, and that he is, in some way, special. He isn’t any of those things. He is, in my view, the quintessential secular guru.
Intergalactic Panda Wrangler
2024-07-23 20:46:28 +0000 UTCAnd Reverend Moon, the angry duck.
Linda Sears
2024-07-23 18:50:02 +0000 UTCHe is a mixed bag. Some of the elements you mention he indeed scores quite highly on, but on others I'd say he's rather middling compared to the likes of Peterson, like with regards to self-aggrandizement, Cassandra complex, conspiracy proneness, profiteering, antiestablishmentarianism. I haven't done any careful analysis but I'd land on a C probably.
Reinert
2024-07-23 15:26:16 +0000 UTCNeed to cover more mid gurus to achieve that proper distribution curve!
Nancy Hale
2024-07-23 15:00:02 +0000 UTCNo way! He is B at least. Grievance monger 10/10, cultivating in group/out group among follower 10/10 (I am sure this is why his podcast became subscriber only), he has a meditation app in which he offers access to revelations that will make you agree with him, and people lap it up. Despite all the many problems with his thinking, his galaxy brainness, his misrepresentations of his expertise and so on, even people in this group still listen to him and take him seriously. Of all the people you cover, perhaps with the exception of Peterson, he is the closest to running an actually successful cult 😂
Intergalactic Panda Wrangler
2024-07-23 12:39:19 +0000 UTCHe’s in the illusory space between C and D which is a tribe of his own
Kurt Ressler
2024-07-23 08:39:46 +0000 UTC*morally confused
Mike Dawson
2024-07-23 04:56:35 +0000 UTCDawkins and Wright missing too
Richard Hardy
2024-07-23 02:32:08 +0000 UTCAn Irish cognitive anthropologist and an Australian psychologist walk into a ranking system… 🤣 You guys are my favs… so entertaining! Tiers of laughter. ‘O’ for awesome! Also I literally had a nightmare with Russel Brand in it after listening to that latest clip so that’s bad: he is THE WORST GURU AND MOST ANNOYING AND OFFENSIVE IDIOT OF ALL TIME (sorry, that was a bit shouty). 🥸
Desma
2024-07-23 01:29:20 +0000 UTCYou're confused. He has no tribe.
True Brexit Geezer
2024-07-23 00:34:59 +0000 UTCAnti Islam or anti Muslims?
lun
2024-07-22 21:41:00 +0000 UTCShe gets bonus points for being a YouTuber. Dennett and Bregman also seem less likely to get caught up in public interpersonal drama or to have very committed fans.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-22 21:17:57 +0000 UTCIn other orders of business: https://tiermaker.com/create/ultraman-kaiju-creatures-243928
Ymirsdreams
2024-07-22 18:38:13 +0000 UTCI think the only one I would disagree with is Contrapoints. If she is D tier because she formulates theories then Dennett and Bregman would be D also. So would any philosopher or economist... but then DtG's infamous philosopher *hatred* would probably be fine with calling them all gurus.
David Noble
2024-07-22 17:18:03 +0000 UTCOne thing missing from the commentary that matters to me is either antisemitism, anti Islam, and anti lgbt levels. But I still loved this refresher. Thanks for putting it together.
Awakening Wonk
2024-07-22 15:04:35 +0000 UTCClearly, he is in a tribe of his own.
Linda Sears
2024-07-22 13:35:15 +0000 UTCI think you need to sort them based on the gurumeter scores and see how close you got!
Graham Clarke
2024-07-22 13:26:14 +0000 UTCBret leaving his wife in the dust. Are you sure it's not on account of Bret talking the most like Chris does? Maybe she's the full professor of the relationship
Adam Sher
2024-07-22 11:23:38 +0000 UTCAgh he was there! But I tried to replace his image with a square one and seems I deleted it! I think we would put him in C or D class.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-07-22 09:15:52 +0000 UTCSam Harris?
Thomas
2024-07-22 09:06:36 +0000 UTCIt's about time!
Rufus Evans
2024-07-22 08:58:53 +0000 UTCA tier list! You're finally a real YouTube channel.
Duncan
2024-07-22 08:41:18 +0000 UTC
