Dr. K (Part 1): OPed Ayurvedic Medicine vs. Nerfed Allopathy
Added 2024-06-22 16:07:07 +0000 UTCJoin Matt and Chris as they embark on a multi-part journey through the diverse landscapes of Dr. K's content meta.
Alok Kanojia, better known as Dr. K, is a charismatic psychiatrist and online streamer who offers a unique blend of psychological, self-help, and spiritual advice to guide individuals through the complexities of modern life, aiming to help them become Healthy Gamers™.
Dr. K's content is diverse and we found quite a lot to dig through, so we are doing our first(!) multi-part series. In this first episode, we take a critical look at a slightly older piece of content in which Dr. K discusses his views on Ayurvedic medicine, its often overlooked efficacy, and the unacknowledged scientific evidence for its claims. We consider whether his evidence matches the rhetoric and relive our youthful follies as we immerse ourselves in the familiar water of complementary and alternative medicine debates.
In so doing we consider things like whether modern psychology really says everyone is the same and there is only one type of depression, if the Ayurvedic dosha system is as individualistic and versatile as claimed, and whether there actually are many people drinking elephant milk.
In Part 2, we'll delve into Dr. K's recent discussion/debate with Dr. Mike, another popular YouTube doctor. Then Part 3 will focus on the dynamics of Dr. K's long-form, somewhat controversial, mental health-themed interviews with influencers.
Links
Healthy Gamer GG- Ayurveda Pt. 1: Gunas, Cognitive Fingerprint, Personality
Science is Dope: Should we adopt Ayurveda | An Indian's response | Dr. Mike vs Dr. K
Comments
OMG!
Amy S
2024-09-25 15:00:02 +0000 UTCYou are very welcome. Just to put a little meat on the bones of my answer, I checked the Harvard Medical School Department of Psychiatry faculty page (https://psych.hms.harvard.edu/faculty) , and they claim to have "over 1700" faculty members! This is because they basically add every psychiatrist with an affiliation at a Harvard teaching hospital to the faculty list. It's *very* different than an academic science department. For example, I'm on the faculty of the largest department in the Faculty of Science at the National University of Singapore, and we have <70 members.
Greg T-K
2024-09-25 14:27:36 +0000 UTCGreg T-K THANK YOU for your very helpful and informative answer!
Amy S
2024-08-18 20:12:24 +0000 UTCDr. K didn't really "end up" at Harvard. He passed through Harvard Medical School, somewhat tangentially. Like many people who passed through Harvard Medical School at some point in their training, nobody has to ask him about it, because he will habitually talk about it. (Since you asked, I spent four years as a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Medical School. See what I did there?) More specifically, Dr. K did his psychiatry residency at McClean Hospitial, which is a Harvard Medical School-affiliated teaching hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, about a half an hour drive from the central campus of Harvard Medical School. It's a very good teaching hospital and a large one. You might be familiar with it through "Girl, Interrupted". Doing a residency at McClean is competitive, but despite the book and movie, McClean doesn't have the name recognition of Harvard, so Dr. K prefers to mention the latter. Right when Alok Kanojia finished his residency at McClean, his wife Kruti started her MBA at Boston University and founded Healthy Gamer with incubator support from BU. At the same time, Alok Kanojia completed his residency and became an assistant psychiatrist at McClean hospital. Now -- and I want to stress this -- *all* McClean Hospital medical staff have two titles: their title at McClean and their title at Harvard Medical School. (Check for yourself https://www.mcleanhospital.org/profiles). This is because McClean is affiliated as a teaching hospital with HMS so, for example, an HMS medical student doing a clinical rotation in at McClean can be supervised by an assistant psychiatrist who can sign off as their supervisor because of the hospital affiliation with the medical school. So Dr. K's residency at McClean was real, and McClean is really a teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School, so Dr. K. was *technically* a member of the Harvard Medical School faculty. But while the claim is technically true, it is the thinnest of reeds.
Greg T-K
2024-08-18 07:03:05 +0000 UTCOk. What does that mean?
Amy S
2024-07-09 23:42:16 +0000 UTCHe was employed by Ayurveda lab
aneladgam_varelse
2024-07-05 08:52:53 +0000 UTCHow did this guy end up at Harvard? That’s the fact I find to be the most puzzling and frightening.
Amy S
2024-07-05 05:48:14 +0000 UTCI'm reading a biography on Paracelsus at the moment. It's very interesting, and honestly it's absolutely wild how many of his ideas are borrowed by every flavour of CAM. Ironically, Paracelsus was incredibly critical of reliance on 'old' ideas, and a dogmatic attitude to new evidence. Of course, while looking for evidence of efficacy, he also just made wild connections based on his own bias and musings. Those more philosophical interpretations are usually what's attractive to the CAM crowd.
Matt
2024-07-04 14:02:37 +0000 UTCgamer edition
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-30 18:34:39 +0000 UTCBro phrenology
Reinert
2024-06-30 16:10:21 +0000 UTCI think I’m kapha with sad western adhd tho :/
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-29 11:13:38 +0000 UTCA small thing i unironically like about whole deranged concept of doshas: it provides different framework for adhd-like tendencies. It’s not learning disability which has to be medicalised, it’s op vata mind! In all seriousness, medical framework provides not exciting and rather grim perspective how life with adhd will be, while vata mind label redirects to opportunities and strong suits
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-29 11:12:43 +0000 UTCGod the more I listen the worse it is. It is literally just phrenology.
Daniel Richards
2024-06-29 10:13:38 +0000 UTCOne thing I find weird is the linking between doshas and body types. It seems strange to position something both psychologically and physical indicators like 'heavy set' or whatever. It feels like that's restrictive, someone who's heavy set may think they're one dosha but not the one they 'actually are'?
Daniel Richards
2024-06-29 10:08:07 +0000 UTCIt's always interesting to consider the reactions of a guru's audience to their decoding, in this case /r/HealthyGamerGG. While there's a decent amount of criticism towards Ayurveda there with people mainly tuning in for Dr. K's mental health advice, there's also an interesting phenomenon where his more questionable takes are being filtered through a lens of "helpful analogies" rather than actual beliefs he might hold. This leads to a motte and bailey like "He doesn't actually believe in all that metaphysical dosha stuff, he's just saying doctors should be a bit more caring at a personal level and not treat them as a disease to be cured! Also he's trained as a monk so he's using terms he's familiar with!" It's similar to how JBP fans will defend his use of the Bible or the enforced monogamy quote because they simply can't believe that someone who is otherwise so reasonable could literally believe such a thing, there must be a 4D chess move going on conceptually.
Reinert
2024-06-28 16:57:40 +0000 UTCI'm still a registrar (resident) trying to figure out exactly which pathway to go down. Spent some time in ophthalmology, now in Anatomical Path. It's a bit different here we don't go straight into a specialty from med school....we have a huge training bottleneck for certain specialities unfortunately
Anna J
2024-06-28 09:54:06 +0000 UTCYep - Aussie physician. Anaesthesiology and crit care - very cool!
Anna J
2024-06-28 09:50:05 +0000 UTCWouldn't be surprised if he has a secret soft spot for Vedic astrology
Reinert
2024-06-27 21:23:46 +0000 UTCI've heard it's so hard Mandy! I am quite keen on rural family medicine as well but I worry it will be too stressful for me haha. I just really miss patients and "fixing" issues for them. Are you a GP??
Anna J
2024-06-27 06:54:03 +0000 UTCVata! Vata! Vata! … Vata! Vata! … made me wince every time he said it . Worse than the squawking parakeets that have have joined our London dawn chorus of late
Dermot Power
2024-06-27 06:06:20 +0000 UTCFamily medicine is a tough and important specialty ❤️
Mandy
2024-06-27 02:32:58 +0000 UTCThis was just chefs kiss perfection, I even re-listened
ReiterativeNumberThor
2024-06-26 20:28:42 +0000 UTCHumans are also not hooved animals lol.
Kyle
2024-06-26 19:20:01 +0000 UTCAlso hearing him mispronounce “melee” a dozen times was super annoying to me.
Ben Godek
2024-06-26 16:36:14 +0000 UTCAgreed. But you'd be surprised to see how many rich crazies fancy this stuff even in Germany. And you know, I am a humble man. I don't need much. A few clients to make a million a year would be more than enough. Don't want to be greedy 😜
Chomagerider
2024-06-26 13:56:10 +0000 UTCElephants with “three big clumpy toes.” 😂
Linda Sears
2024-06-26 12:50:21 +0000 UTCYou might have more luck with that scheme in the U.S.
Linda Sears
2024-06-26 12:38:31 +0000 UTCYep, the combination of his nasally voice, the absolute confidence he has in what he's saying and the fact that it's utter bullshit makes this one a uniquely painful listen.
Will
2024-06-26 04:17:37 +0000 UTCHim describing all of the traits attributable to the different doshas has to be one of the most obnoxious segments of DtG I’ve ever heard - and I’ve listened to nearly every episode.
Isaac Rosenberg
2024-06-26 00:02:51 +0000 UTCThis is one where I know its unlikely but really wanna see him use his right to reply just to hear him try and justify this.
Daas Nahk
2024-06-25 18:03:30 +0000 UTCHome spa consultant/designer
Adam Sher
2024-06-25 17:57:16 +0000 UTCYeah this! You wouldn't believe how many people have told me that Gabor Maté must know his stuff about trauma and addiction because he's a doctor. 🙄
Suzan Lemont
2024-06-25 16:08:31 +0000 UTCAnesthesiology and Critical Care medicine. Are u a physician?
Martin Birch
2024-06-25 13:22:50 +0000 UTCSomewhere in there Chris has to realize that Matt is his real father, which is explained by Matt’s ability to time travel.
Linda Sears
2024-06-25 12:33:20 +0000 UTCThere is more story to it. Dr K applied to Ayurveda lab on Harvard and got the job <- this is what he means by “Harvard medical school faculty”. Then he did ????? I don’t understand doctor career track in us, but he did trials, was amazing at it and got accepted either to Harvard as faculty or to residency program.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-25 09:17:55 +0000 UTCIt sucks that you had to chose between dream job and family. Pathology seems interesting, but I can imagine how lack of contact with people can be soul-draining. At very least you’ll have solid background once you change to GP
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-25 07:09:44 +0000 UTCOmg you’re so vata 🤩
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-25 07:05:20 +0000 UTCDude's got a keen sense for marketing. He milks his unique background very well. Just perfect to sell to a US/Western audience that's hungry for exotic sounding stuff from the East. I tip my hat. If I ever move back to my native Germany, I hope my wife (Chinese) can reinvent herself as a FengShui Master to help rich crazy people optimise their energy flows at home in a way that optimizes the energy flows of her bank account...
Chomagerider
2024-06-25 06:59:05 +0000 UTCI think I remember you saying you're a lawyer, yeah? I was really keen on law before uni and I always wonder if I should have done that instead. Although I imagine it's not actually as interesting as TV shows make it out to be (like medicine in that way lol).
Anna J
2024-06-25 06:21:12 +0000 UTCAhh long story. I've changed a couple of times because I'm insane / have bad ADHD (++ medicated luckily). Also I have had three children in the time since finishing med school 5 years ago so I've really had to shift my priorities and opt for a specialty w more sane hours / options for part-time so I can actually spend time with them..... But to my story of broken medical dreams and buried hopes lol.... I started off in ophthalmology after doing my first two general years in the hospital that we all have to do in my country (it's very different to the North American / European system as they go straight into a given specialty after med school). It's the thing in medicine I love the most and I still miss it all the time but alas, I had to quit as I couldn't balance the crazy hours (eyes are good as a consultant but the hours suck as a junior doctor) and moving massive distances within my state (like... a literal plane flight away type distance) every six months to a year for 5+ years w my young family. I wasn't seeing much of my children and that made me so so depressed. Currently I'm training in Anatomical Pathology (we look at tissue cut out of ppl under a microscope and diagnose things..cancer mostly), I chose it because it's very family friendly and also quite interesting. But idk.. I really miss patients, and it's also quite a long (5 years) and academic heavy program. In all honesty I'll probably end up just doing GP (general practice/ family med) which is 2 years here and I can see much more of my family. Thank you for reading my life story lol.
Anna J
2024-06-25 06:14:47 +0000 UTCHe didn't even go to Harvard for med school. He went to Tufts lol. He just did residency at a harvard affiliated place. Not that it matters of course, I've seen some utter mutants who are terrible clinicians from top schools, and some great ones from shitty schools, but yeah he certainly does love to name drop Harvard and sort of sneakily implies he went there for med. What specialty are you in?
Anna J
2024-06-25 06:00:16 +0000 UTCLike he doesn't even have any clinical experience treating those diseases, because he's a psychiatrist, not a rheumatologist or neurologist. So yeah idk what clinical experience he would even claim to be drawing on here, to contradict the evidence base? Unless he is actually trying to treat patients with MS. in which case, yeah, report to board lol.
Anna J
2024-06-25 05:56:34 +0000 UTCBtw Anna, what’s your medical specialization?
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-25 05:56:15 +0000 UTCMy thoughts exactly. And it’s a bold claim for someone who doesn’t even practice medicine on day to day basis since 2018, when he finished residency.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-25 05:54:42 +0000 UTCI don't know that this is completely fair, most doctors don't believe / misrepresent poor evidence behind utter pseudoscience like Dr K does. Critical appraisal of research certainly is poorly taught at med school, no argument there. I was a research scientist before I did medicine and so was surprised by the lack of attention paid to the topic. But we don't stop our education after medical school. You then have to go through residency/registrar years in your chosen specialty where you definitely do / should develop good critical appraisal skills of (a) research in general at a clinical level ...(admittedly maybe not so good at basic science research depending on the specialty), and (b) certainly the evidence base behind your chosen specialty. That's not to say some doctors aren't shit at this (they definitely are) but at the end of the day the current evidence base is what informs clinical care. But yeah most clinicians aren't also scientists, it's a different skill set as you know, so their ability to critically appraise research as a group is certainly not going to be as good as someone like yourself. But does it have to be? I'd argue they just need to be informed enough to not be able to be hoodwinked by shitty studies / be able to accurately interpret the relevance of clinical research.
Anna J
2024-06-25 05:36:24 +0000 UTCDr K definitely meets criteria for a sort of limited galaxy brainedness in the sense that as a psychiatrist he seems to have a lot of opinions about how to treat diseases that fall completely outside of the scope of psychiatry eg lupus, MS, rheumatoid arthritis. A psychiatrist has 0 business trying to manage any of these conditions, and it's just arrogance/?delusion on his part to think otherwise. Like people spend 6-8+ years after medical school (depends on country) training in gen med and then rheumatology to be able to treat things like lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. But he thinks that with his 0 years (apart from a couple of months as a med student) spent in internal medicine he can do better than them? Okay???
Anna J
2024-06-25 05:29:19 +0000 UTC100%. Especially when said clinical practitioners don't even hold qualifications in the medical specialities relevant to treating these diseases and would not even have any clinical experience treating them anyway lol. Like, I really don't give a shit what a psychiatrist thinks about how to treat lupus, and if I saw one trying to do it IRL I'd report them to the relevant board lol.
Anna J
2024-06-25 05:23:23 +0000 UTCExcellent episode on Dr. K! I didn’t think I’d be interested, but Matt’s metacommentary, specifically, was very enlightening. So many of these gurus are modern day Gorgias-types, i.e., Sophists—masters of rhetoric and manipulation through speech completing lacking claims or firm footing for their evidence.
Mark Olague
2024-06-24 23:40:26 +0000 UTCWow was not prepared for the next level guru streamer. One look at the Reddit sub and 💯 it’s a cult.
Jason Trock
2024-06-24 22:49:38 +0000 UTClost my shirt in a bat milk start-up when covid hit
Russell Halberdt
2024-06-24 22:29:59 +0000 UTCThat was painful. So much confidence. His assessment of people sounds like a version of phrenology.
Tim Tripp
2024-06-24 22:20:14 +0000 UTCit's just like Dan was saying on knowledge fight, the ancients knew it and now it's been proven
Russell Halberdt
2024-06-24 22:11:29 +0000 UTCNice to hear I got a shout out. But in true DTG style my name was mispronounced as Lemming. Like the rodent type animal. I'm honoured.
Sam Leeming
2024-06-24 21:33:57 +0000 UTCLooking forward to seeing how Matt and Chris's character arcs develop over the course of this epic trilogy. Maybe Chris will shift to the dark side next episode and start shilling Ayurveda, and then he and Matt have to fistfight each other shirtless in the rain in a metaphorical battle of ideas. Then in the final episode they team up again with their alternate-universe counterparts to take down the man who was the REAL puppet master, all along, Dr K. That would be cool. Anyway great episode guys!
Soapy Dishwater
2024-06-24 21:24:03 +0000 UTCThere’s a troll on his stream… Daddy’s milk😂 Easier to extract than elephant milk. 😞 sorry.
elcid
2024-06-24 21:17:33 +0000 UTCso THAT'S what I've been doing wrong 🤦
Russell Halberdt
2024-06-24 21:08:17 +0000 UTCLike and subscribe
Andreas Singer
2024-06-24 20:54:10 +0000 UTCFantastic episode
Níall Faughnan
2024-06-24 20:40:18 +0000 UTC🤣
Níall Faughnan
2024-06-24 20:37:34 +0000 UTCI need Dr K to stop yelling at me.
Anonymous ethicist, not a serial killer at all, just asking questions.
2024-06-24 20:02:35 +0000 UTCIt’s interesting to hear him talk about hyperspecialization bc the answer to that is to improve collaborative skills— that’s my area of research broadly. It’s just not very sexy bc you have to give up the spotlight.
JGraves
2024-06-24 18:51:30 +0000 UTCI was listening to this while I wrote the previous comment. I just got to the part where you discussed this problem at the about 2 hour 30 minute mark. I actually see this as a pretty serious problem, particularly where clinical practitioners have taken a social media platform to extrapolate clinical experience over research based observations
Brock Bakke
2024-06-24 17:19:35 +0000 UTCOf all the DTG episodes this was the hardest to listen to. Pseudoscientific bullshit, and an organizational structure based upon false dichotomies and strawmen, ultimately justified only by a degree from an elite institution. Or maybe I’m just jealous. I graduated from an Ivy League Med School and completed Ivy League residency and fellowship. Why am I not a famous streamer?
Martin Birch
2024-06-24 17:14:56 +0000 UTCAs a German, I am impressed by Matt's expertise on central European geography that he casually uses for his analogy. Not something I would have expected from an Australian. Matt must have the highly revered status of a wise elder in his Australian tribe
Andreas Singer
2024-06-24 17:07:26 +0000 UTCI'm not sure if the problem of arrogantly misunderstanding science is a Dr. K the Ayurvedic medicine practitioner problem, or just a broader problem with M.D holders. As a PI in medical science, I see this pretty commonly that there is a great degree of over confidence in physicians with regards to science itself. Generally unless the MD is followed by a PhD, or the individual runs a competitive research program, there is a tendency to conflate applied medical practice with how medical science is done to the sausage making level.
Brock Bakke
2024-06-24 16:34:01 +0000 UTCTrue it is very hard as a layperson to know what is valid and what's not :(
Erin
2024-06-24 13:00:43 +0000 UTCAw, that's really interesting but unfortunate. Reminds me of Irish people feeling like preactising Catholicism was getting our culture back after gaining independence which I think contributed to the church having too much power here and all the damage that caused. Colonisation had so many knock on effects
Erin
2024-06-24 12:53:55 +0000 UTCWhat warrants publishing a paper? Could publishing be considered a form of peer review? As it's giving more publicity to a paper?
Níall Faughnan
2024-06-24 12:20:46 +0000 UTCThis idea that "western" medicine just puts people in boxes and dolls out the same treatment to everybody without any care for the individual - what an absolute load of bollocks. My dad has multiple serious illnesses and has done for a long time. Whenever he needs surgery or some other treatment (which is pretty often), a room of doctors who specialise in his various ailments will meet and discuss the specifics of his case and figure out the best treatment for him. If that isn't personalized medicine, I don't know what is. It's also standard practice, and there's no way Dr K doesn't know that - it just doesn't fit his narrative.
Will
2024-06-24 12:07:05 +0000 UTCI mean, there's a load of characteristics that don't match but the ones that did were spot on! I'm sold!
Jeremy Stewart
2024-06-24 08:56:48 +0000 UTCLucky you!
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-24 08:55:02 +0000 UTCOh so he’s somewhat similar to other gurus like Sam Harris being a neuroscientist but having only published one paper that he then published the thesis of as a book.
YellowDreams
2024-06-24 07:35:14 +0000 UTCI’m pretty early in the episode, and Dr K is already very annoying. He implies that if you have a condition that doesn’t respond to medication (depression is the specific example, but the concept would obviously generalize), then modern medicine will just give up on you immediately. This is definitely not the case!
Ben Godek
2024-06-24 07:17:11 +0000 UTCMe listening to this: what a load of BS... OMG I'm so a Vata type!
Jeremy Stewart
2024-06-24 07:03:44 +0000 UTCJust pay the 10 bucks and they’ll set you up. Succes guaranteed.
pim martijn van der steen
2024-06-24 07:01:30 +0000 UTCDisputable. Just after he finished his residency in 2018, he abandoned medical practice and created HealthyGamer.gg. On his site https://kanojiapsychiatry.com/appointments/ he states he’s out of network provider, but you can request appointment
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-24 06:49:38 +0000 UTCWow. Do people take this guy seriously? Seems like he’s advocating for astrology type approach while claiming it’s not making generalisations about people. Is he a practicing therapist for real?
YellowDreams
2024-06-24 06:36:38 +0000 UTCI think dr K wanted to make statement INDIA STONG: we domesticated the mighty elephants!
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-24 06:15:02 +0000 UTCI love you guys! Your my new gurus 😍 Tell me what should I eat or do to get a galaxy brain? 😀
Sigitas Trečiokas
2024-06-24 06:13:45 +0000 UTCJust finished the episode. Damn, that was excruciating. I have an Indian friend who reminds me a lot of Dr K. He (understandably) feels like Hindu ways of knowing were lost as a result of British colonialism and conceives modern medicine's downplaying of Ayurveda as part of the colonial legacy of the west. I've reluctantly watched a few YouTube videos he's recommended to me, and it seems like there are a lot of Indian content creators that amplify this message - the idea seems to be that pretty much everything good in the world came from India millennia ago and that there's a great conspiracy of western elites that are actively trying to bury the truth. Of course, it's understandable where it comes from but clearly pretty crazy stuff. I get the impression Dr K. also thinks this but is too media-savvy to go all in on it.
Will
2024-06-24 04:40:00 +0000 UTCI noticed the same thing! There are plenty of other animals I would attempt to milk before I turned to an elephant!
Emma
2024-06-24 02:51:40 +0000 UTCI don't know anything about Dr K's mental health stuff. But judging purely on this content my expectations are low. Is it just me or did his entire elaborate Ayurvedic scheme sound like a thinly veiled excuse to humble brag about his own superior brain and spruke bog standard harmful stereotypes about people in larger bodies. Just gross.
Emma
2024-06-24 02:41:01 +0000 UTCI watched the Science is Dope episode, it was great
Lillie
2024-06-24 01:59:21 +0000 UTCIt was a wild ride
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-23 22:04:47 +0000 UTCAfter listening to the end, I think the biggest knock on Western Medicine is that Dr K has a medical license
Adam Sher
2024-06-23 19:46:52 +0000 UTCI got to the end. How does he have a medical license?
Adam Sher
2024-06-23 19:46:10 +0000 UTCHe also forgot about, or seems oblivious to sheep, yak, donkey, and reindeer milk. From animals that actually do have hooves.
Suzan Lemont
2024-06-23 18:19:52 +0000 UTCIf I’m supposed take dosha seriously, shouldn’t eating inappropriate food for your dosha be dangerous? It seems irresponsible to let people diagnose their dosha for themselves
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-23 17:27:09 +0000 UTCWith a hefty dose of astrology, Human Design, ACM, and homeopathy. It's just a mixed bag of all the pseudoscience belief systems.
Suzan Lemont
2024-06-23 17:20:55 +0000 UTCThe section on the kinds of foods u should eat (cold and wet vs warm and dry) is up there for one of the funniest bits on the show I've heard haha 😄
Mikerpiker
2024-06-23 17:08:47 +0000 UTCFirst time I came across that term was a book called "A Very Short Introduction to Pseudoscience" :-)
Roland Weber
2024-06-23 17:04:32 +0000 UTCWould it help if the elephant is a virgin? Don't know why she would have milk in that case, but one never knows. Virgin births have been reported for humans.
Roland Weber
2024-06-23 17:00:33 +0000 UTC....and then seconds later, Chris says phrenology, so never mind.
Tristram Vahan Draper
2024-06-23 16:52:42 +0000 UTCI'm halfway through the episode and I'm like "oh my god, this is just phrenology"
Tristram Vahan Draper
2024-06-23 16:50:51 +0000 UTCPeer review is just peer review. All you can take it as a sign of is that some people that an editor considers relevant experts thought the paper warranted publishing and the editor agreed. It does not mean the stats are correct, that the author’s interpretations are valid, or that the study design is robust and appropriate. Some journals have better standards than others but in all cases simple publication ≠ validity of claims.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-06-23 16:26:49 +0000 UTCI guess there are cases where the methodology of a study is "limited" and cases where it's flat out flawed. If it's just limited, sure, maybe it's just exploratory or whatever. But if the methodology is just flawed -- as in this case -- it shouldn't have made it through the process. Of course "infallible" is too high a bar, but I would think that laypeople should at least be able to trust peer review to filter out flaws that can be "understood with basic statistical training" in the vast majority of cases. So when it comes to laypeople or gurus not interpreting the science correctly, a good portion of the blame should be placed on the systems scientists are working with -- they need big improvement it seems!
Mikerpiker
2024-06-23 16:20:05 +0000 UTCIt just bugs me that there seems to be so much disagreement among experts when it comes to methodology in statistical analysis. As you say, these kinds of flaws show up over and over in peer reviewed journals, which means that many experts have given them their stamp of approval.
Mikerpiker
2024-06-23 16:14:00 +0000 UTC„If you’ve got like mage stats, you wanna casting spells, you don’t wanna be meele dps” - yet here I am, trying to make geomancer/bodybuilder in divinity original sin
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-23 15:53:13 +0000 UTCAnd thanks for making example with Poland and Germany <3
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-23 15:49:32 +0000 UTCAs Pokémon fan, I call dr K fake gamer boy. Air type is always a dual type (with exception for 1 legendary Pokémon from Unova region) and there is no earth type, pick ground or rock or grass. Pokemon with dual type ground/water are pretty common tho
aneladgam_varelse
2024-06-23 15:48:59 +0000 UTC(I'm weighing up the risks of malaria verses waking an elephant up at dawn to let me milk her.)
Ymirsdreams
2024-06-23 15:09:25 +0000 UTCGood Episode One. I can already tell this will be a DTG classic!
Kato Lomb
2024-06-23 13:47:42 +0000 UTCIt's interesting to see the parallels between Dr. K's advocacy of alternative medicine and someone like Joe Rogan's advocacy of alternative media. Start with legit criticisms of the conventional, move on to more questionable criticisms, and then advocate a system that is actually more exposed to most of those very same criticisms. Ironically, Dr. K is a symptom of the failures of modern medicine. How does someone so ignorant of research methodology and basic statistics teach at Harvard Medical School? How does his company have a board with scientific advisors from multiple reputable academic institutions? I asked a family member who is a Rheumatology PA if she's had any patients talk about their Ayurvedic diets and she said no, but that most patients are reluctant to bring up the CAM stuff they are doing with their doctor. She has seen plenty of other "anti-inflammation" diets, however. She generally thinks they don't hurt as most result in the patient eating less excessive amounts of sugar and highly processed junk. Regardless, its not worth confronting the patient and potentially losing trust. Rheum is a field where CAM stuff is popular because conventional medicine strikes out a lot, so there's less of an obvious difference in efficacy to patients.
Trees
2024-06-23 13:25:27 +0000 UTCThe elephant also has to be looking at the sun and not taking edibles.
Trees
2024-06-23 13:17:25 +0000 UTCChris and Matt don't ask for much trust here. They explain the specific flaws and limitations of the study, which aren't novel. These kinds of things show up over and over in research and can be understood with basic statistical training. I only have to trust them to not have read the numbers wrong or overlooked the preregistration etc.
Trees
2024-06-23 12:14:33 +0000 UTCHe seems to stream with mainly people who have absolutely no qualifications like people who are just YouTubers and aren't mental health professionals. So they're understandably like ok, sounds legit. When he did have a discussion with that other doctor, can't remember his name, he seemed very defensive.
Erin
2024-06-23 12:14:12 +0000 UTCBut what's the point if the peers are reviewing a conclusion someone came to from poor methodology? There isn't even a solid foundation for them to review
Erin
2024-06-23 12:11:43 +0000 UTCElephant milk really helps in recovery from Malaria but only if you can milk the elephant yourself at dawn, ensuring that the elephant has been infected by the same strain of malaria in the same season. Then it will definitely work.
Nina Davies
2024-06-23 11:50:45 +0000 UTCIt's so bizarre. It's like he has the most cartoonish notion of western medicine like DoCToRs JuSt GiVe MeDiCaTiOn AnD sEnD u On Ur Way. Literally no medical practitioner I've interacted with thinks this, or has treated me this way. He MUST know he's full of shit.
Will
2024-06-23 10:02:28 +0000 UTCThis reflects a common misunderstanding of peer review. Andrew Wakefield’s vaccines cause autism paper was published in the lancet. Bem’s study on precognition was published in JPSP. The STAP paper was published in Nature. American Psychologist published a review a few years ago that confirms the evidence for psi is strong. You simply cannot treat peer review as an infallible process or the journal’s relative prestige as an indicator of the validity of a claim. It’s a pain but it just doesn’t work like that.
Christopher Kavanagh
2024-06-23 09:54:56 +0000 UTCRe the paper from Nature Scientific Reports, Matt and Chris seem to think that, because of its obviously poor methodology, it's of very little value. But at least on the face of it, this seems like a reputable peer reviewed journal. Isn't the whole point of peer review to filter out garbage? Doesn't the fact that it made it through peer review indicate that relevant experts thought it was valuable? Why should we trust Matt and Chris over those experts?
Mikerpiker
2024-06-23 07:17:05 +0000 UTCI wish somebody in that stream was there to probe him on the specific links between Jung, Myers Briggs and Ayurvedic medicine. Like, "oh, that's interesting Dr K! What was it in particular in Ayurvedic medicine that had such a profound impact on Jung's work? And from all of Jung's work, how do you know the parts of it that led to the creation of the MBTI came from Ayurveda?" Such a tenuous link, and such obvious wishful thinking. Incredible his audience swallowed it.
Will
2024-06-23 06:19:19 +0000 UTCI had the exact same reaction as Chris to the 🐘/hooves statement 😂
peta austen
2024-06-23 03:33:59 +0000 UTCHim explicitly saying he can treat conditions as serious as multiple sclerosis, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis with ayuveda .... so irresponsible. Also he's a psychiatrist not a rheumatologist or neurologist so he can't (well...shouldn't) diagnose or treat any of those conditions lmao as it is completely outside of his scope of practice.
Anna J
2024-06-23 01:21:06 +0000 UTCI thought it was there are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Adam Sher
2024-06-23 00:32:03 +0000 UTCI'm about 90 minutes in. There is nothing he's said about aryuvedic practice that doesn't have a synonym here. His descriptions sounds a lot like horoscope stuff. In fact, horoscopes provide even more variety than his three shodas (sp?). In America, you can have your Ritalin while you mediate during your power pose with your acupuncturist. Also, from what I can tell, DOs get the same practice rights as MDs post residency and/or fellowship. So some more holistic version of medical training is accepted within American medicine.
Adam Sher
2024-06-23 00:30:52 +0000 UTCSeriously. Like modern medicine doesn't look at patterns or track changes in individual patients? It's such absolute nonsense. I don't think it's ignorance btw, I think he knows it is bullshit. it's all part of the 'modern psychiatry can't help you, you need ME with my special skills" grift.
Anna J
2024-06-22 23:10:03 +0000 UTCA confusing man! Thank goodness we have Matt and Chris to decode for us. That list of milks was particularly arbitrary. I thought he said there was 5 but he ended up with like 7. And he includes 🐘 but misses more common ones like reindeer and yack.
Emma
2024-06-22 23:04:32 +0000 UTCSince Dr. K references Pokémon to prove house diverse people are, I'm going to cite Dr. Gregory House to prove how individualized and not one-size-fits-all Western Medicine (tm) is.
Adam Sher
2024-06-22 21:48:05 +0000 UTCYes, when you think about the idea, it starts to break down. For example, if I said I was a visual learner, then this means I would best benefit from learning how to ride a bike by watching someone or seeing an illustration of it, which is not the case.
Linda Sears
2024-06-22 21:46:03 +0000 UTCGold, huh? 🤔 hmmmm...
DrJRad
2024-06-22 21:42:50 +0000 UTCI’m about an hour in. My impression of Dr. K is that he hasn’t practiced medicine. Everything he’s claimed about Western Medicine (tm) is contradicted by my experience and everyone I know who’s a doctor but does make sense if you went through med school and read a bunch of complaints about whatever national healthcare system he is a part of.
Adam Sher
2024-06-22 21:29:55 +0000 UTCThe QAA podcast did an episode of their Trickle Down series on this. Good stuff.
DrJRad
2024-06-22 21:25:49 +0000 UTCYeah, thanks for that. I'll take his word for it though, rather than do my own research. Found this nice round-up though: https://onlineteaching.umich.edu/articles/the-myth-of-learning-styles/
Roland Weber
2024-06-22 20:15:57 +0000 UTCI’m glad Matt talked about the learning styles idea being bunk.
Linda Sears
2024-06-22 19:22:42 +0000 UTCFalse dichotomy confusion machine. If you're feeling bad, please see a therapist if you can. If you're sick, please go to a physician. They're not going to tell you to do completely different things, and they absolutely will individualize and coordinate care if you continue to visit them. He's doing the "we don't know about the experts thing", and it sucks.
Roscoe 112
2024-06-22 18:54:29 +0000 UTCAbout halfway through, and I can't help thinking... There are three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who cannot. *scnr*
Roland Weber
2024-06-22 18:46:53 +0000 UTCSo this is what people mean when they say falling down a K hole.
Unfitforpurpose
2024-06-22 17:59:03 +0000 UTCI was contemplating watching a movie, but this will be better. 😄
Roland Weber
2024-06-22 16:46:32 +0000 UTCLooking forward to learning about your youthful follies in CAMland and the wonders of elephant milk.
Linda Sears
2024-06-22 16:31:12 +0000 UTCTime for me Nordic walking workout. Although I won’t make it 3 h😅
mobitobi
2024-06-22 16:22:55 +0000 UTCThank goodness. I think my muldadhara is twisted.
Ymirsdreams
2024-06-22 16:21:03 +0000 UTCYessss I picked the right night to have insomnia
Anna J
2024-06-22 16:21:01 +0000 UTC3 hours in part one, lets goooo!!
Mert
2024-06-22 16:11:30 +0000 UTCOh thank God! Something to listen to instead of UK election coverage. I have listened to some dreadful novels on audible this week just to drown it all out.
Nina Davies
2024-06-22 16:11:06 +0000 UTC
