Red Scare (Advance Release)
Added 2023-12-07 12:09:54 +0000 UTCIn today's joyous episode, we dive into the neurodiverse, postmodern hipsterism, and ironic trad conservatism of the popular 'Red Scare' podcast featuring the avant-garde novelist Tao Lin. Get ready for hours of transgressive insights, independent research, and monotone delivery from Tao, Dasha, and Anna. Thrill at endless talk about their bespoke theories of autism, anti-vax bullshit, and all the usual entirely predictable takes of postmodern conservatism. That said when it is all brought together there is a rather distinctive tang to this bizarre mix of neo-conservatism, trad-con lifehacks, new-age spirituality, conspiracy theories, and irony-laced, not even bothered posturing.
We also cover Elon Musk, some guru clashes, and how long Matt was breastfed for.
This is an early release so if you hear any audio glitches please let us know and we will fix them before release on the main feed.
Comments
I know this post is months old now, but I had to say this episode felt like it gave me a poison debuff. Just getting hit for 5 dmg every sentence
Soapy Dishwater
2024-06-17 01:01:23 +0000 UTCFor me, this episode was the most painful yet…. I thought that when it came to autism and the conspiritualist guru-sphere, anti-vax rhetoric was the most offensive thing going; turns out there is a whole new level of misinformation I hadn’t yet plumbed the depths of. I did enjoy the DTG handing of it, but as mother to an autistic child, this was a tough listen. Thanks for the way you approached this.
Rebecca C
2024-04-27 21:30:22 +0000 UTCI have legit question: how to talk to people in private conversation about accumulated factoids and general knowledge which isn’t filled with details? I can’t defend many positions once I’m asked about sources, because I don’t have time for that and I’m not an expert.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-02-24 22:40:11 +0000 UTCI enjoyed this episode a lot. I’m ashamed to admit, but Red Scare is something I could listen to, because somehow despite terrible politics and terrible epistemics it passed the vibe check. Idk I liked their feeble rambling, sound of voice and somehow they disclosed enough random, self-deprecating info to be relatable. Throwing lingo of progressive left made me feel home, because well, over the years I got used to exhausting vibe based discourse. The sad thing is that online left is more eager to take issue with inappropriate language than god awful ideas, so it was great to hear you dealing with Red Scare on the merits.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-02-24 22:34:01 +0000 UTCPersonally I hate argument about availability - just because planes crash sometimes it doesn’t mean magic carpets can fly. I’ve met awful lot people in polish leftist circle (also living in Poland) who made 0 attempts to seek diagnosis, have no clue that it’s for free if you just wait 1 year in queue or they vastly exaggerate costs of diagnosis (it can cost up to 2k pln, but they claim it’s 7-10k pln) and they just repeat the thought-terminating cliche after USians.
aneladgam_varelse
2024-02-24 22:14:59 +0000 UTCMy god! I didn't know I had that much rage left in me..
Andrew Demos
2023-12-17 00:01:23 +0000 UTCI hope this was performance art. This hits me the same way Andy Warhol does; it's too cynical and vapid to be worth attention.
Rodi
2023-12-14 21:38:09 +0000 UTCPossibly the most painful one yet. New listeners might need to start with something easier ... work your way up to the Sense-Makers then this awfulness. DtG Gold.
Dermot Power
2023-12-13 11:23:30 +0000 UTCNot that I don't love that you took them on, but don't they full heartedly embrace their non-intellectual, more intuitive analysis of social and political issues? I understand them to be critical of overtly academic, inaccessible, posivitist (male) style or system that many popular leftist intellectual podcasters go by? Like, not having your thought fully sorted out before you speak it, chatting about it, and going off how you feel about it rather than evidence that you have yet to understand. And that these traits are thought to be a more feminine way of thinking through problems and ideas? Though, I do think you guys rightly had to do this one because of the blatant vaccine = autism talk from all of them. I was definitely excited to hear this one. And, I have listened to their podcast, but I often can't get through an entire episode because of the ASMRiness of it. Thanks so much for your stuff Chris and Matt! You guys have won me, I listen to every opening about trail mix and live for snaps of the Galaxy brains at the end.
JC Larke
2023-12-13 08:25:50 +0000 UTCOh I couldn't agree more about the young people thing. I'm constantly impressed by my younger acquaintances and how much more mature and thoughtful they are compared to my memories of my own peers at that age.
Emma
2023-12-13 04:08:07 +0000 UTCJesus Christ! This is a joke, right? People like this don't actually exist, do they? It sounded like a bad sketch from The Fast Show or The League of Gentlemen. I had to listen to it in about ten different instalments just to get through. And people actually pay to get nauseated by these assholes? Just to clarify: I'm talking about Red Scare, not DTG.
NIALL DAVISON
2023-12-12 14:51:17 +0000 UTCI noticed Matt and Chris both mentioned the “Horseshoe Effect”, which somebody in the comments has said largely relates to how shallow one’s grasp of politics is, which I like, but the phenomenon at large is much better described by “Diagonalism” , by Callison and Slobodian. Naomi Klein and Conspirituality have both covered the term and what it describes. https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/quinn-slobodian-toxic-politics-coronakspeticism/
Robert Roots
2023-12-11 10:13:20 +0000 UTCIt wasn't the vocal fry I found strange or off putting. It was the way they seemed to stretch out every word as if it were building into an anticipated gem of wisdom they were surely bringing.....Just.......be.....pay-tient. It reminded me of talking to attorneys trying to stretch out very little, but into segments of 10 minutes that attorney use to bill by. But that was minor stuff in comparison to the disservice Mr. Lin does to the autistic community - a quite a diverse group of individuals in which I often hear the phrase 'if you have met one autistic person, you have literally met one. And you also ignore a huge amount of lived experience of individuals who start of thinking autism is one set of symptoms that has nothing to do with your family of origin much less that of your own or your partner's. And much of this comes from the intense amount of fear and discomfort parents and grandparents to be have around this topic. They're worried about a child who has linguistic impairment, difficult and frequent meltdowns, lack of eye contact and essentially as he presented both himself and and other autistics, as unable to have warm & loving relationships and empathy/feelings for others. Of course there are multifaceted reasons for each individual case. Some are genetic and most certainly there are things in the environment that exacerbate symptoms or prevent individuals to be able to adapt. In addition, the ability for a person to look at their family tree and be more realistic about what they see, depends on them knowing what to look for. So prior to the existence of my three children and with a much more limited understanding of what neurodiversity looks like, I could look at the traits of my partner and his family and mine and say 'not much see here.' 16 years and three children later, I can only look back and laugh at my naïveté on the subject! Two children might well make you a parent, but three or more turns you into a science experiment. A mad one haha! Turns out we are anything but whatever 'normal' counts for these days. While all three of my children are classified as neurodivergent, they are all full in mainstream education and are not cognitively impaired. In previous generations, we would have had less idea about what the cause of various issues were. Guess what - ADHD and ASD share many traits. They also seem to be cousins of other learning issues such as dyslexia. The high achievement within the family is a combo of having access to services and also different groups of parents who didn't seem shape or make assumptions about what it said about them as parents to have children needing various services. It takes stepping outside your own childhood and background and being ok with your own quirks. But let me tell you one thing that being autistic/adhd doesn't automatically make you - an arsehole. Mr. Lin chooses that himself, in part. When he makes his juvenile attempt to analyse science and make his own extrapolations he make himself seem limited in a way that might or might not be linked to his diagnosis, or lack of one. Because having these assessment dones in an educational setting helps tremendously. And it is way more than being 31 out of 50 ON ONE TEST. In addition, the lack of empathy and intellectual curiosity it takes to decide he is the a Trumper and has distaste to for liberals. It just makes very little sense to choose to equally as nihilistic about your own future and well being as all that. But sadly, that is where so many find themselves with lack of the things their parents had, eg somewhat steadier jobs with steady health insurance. I suppose I'd be much more checked out and 'fuck it whatever' that a liberal becomes when it came to the future of my family if we weren't dual national/expats, who in theory have a country not on fire with health insurance to go back to. But really, there is never any excuse to be such arseholes. Especially dystopian ones. Just yet, anyway, what with the availability of caprice salad for breakfast still at our shiny fingertips.
JLolly
2023-12-10 22:49:28 +0000 UTCOh, you're _that_ Eric! Nice to meet you. I saw an episode or two way back. Chill out, don't get stressed 😉
Roland Weber
2023-12-10 20:10:55 +0000 UTCAaaargh. They are so unpleasant. And the autism stuff is rage inducing. Most of your shows I love, but one or two Ive found the subjects too irritating to enjoy. This one is the worst by far.
Ema Corro
2023-12-10 10:05:00 +0000 UTCAs a fellow humanities person, I concur wholeheartedly
Eric Quirk
2023-12-10 01:02:32 +0000 UTCThese women make the vein in my forehead start to bulge and pulsate, good lord our species is doomed
Eric Quirk
2023-12-10 00:58:38 +0000 UTCI want to add that, in my personal experience, the arts and humanities folks I know are not like these three. Most of us were struggling to get our administrations to follow CDC guidelines during the early days of the pandemic when we were told to get back into the classrooms in Fall of 2020. Two of my friends (both in the humanities) were fired at my college for being insubordinate as a result of their advocacy. In addition we are leftist, for the most part, yet we try to get our students to be aware of logical fallacies, use good evidence from various sources, and interrogate their own beliefs with rigor.
Linda Sears
2023-12-09 14:05:29 +0000 UTCThanks, Matt and Chris, for finding the determination to get through the Red Scare episode that so many of us couldn’t. It is odd to me that they say they don’t want to be politically aligned and yet their politics are transparent. It seems they want the coolness of being beyond or above all that while actually having views that are traceable to the far right wing. It doesn’t surprise me that one of them supported Bernie when that was the hip thing to do. They are poseurs who like to be provocative. The most honest thing I heard one of the women say is that she became conservative when she made more money. My guess is they like the rebelliousness of the alt-right because it fits their identities as not buying into the mainstream narratives, and it increases their following.
Linda Sears
2023-12-09 13:55:07 +0000 UTCThey are so ‘ironic and world weary’ that I wonder if they are poking fun at the conspiracy prone podcasts? I still wouldn’t waste my time listening to them.
Tim Tripp
2023-12-09 13:52:26 +0000 UTCI got some genuine laughs and head-shakes out of this episode. Sure, it has to do with testosterone levels. Too low. Or too high. Whatever. 🤦
Roland Weber
2023-12-09 13:01:12 +0000 UTCMaybe Matt could use a headset mic 😄
Roland Weber
2023-12-09 12:58:44 +0000 UTCThey sound like american stoner versions of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie on the Windsors (royal family satire)!🤣 I tried listening to their Kissenger one before this and couldnt get through it… they sound ignorant. I mean i dont know much about him (to remember) but I know just by listening to Hitchens how serious the stuff he did was.
Ian Shield
2023-12-09 09:56:31 +0000 UTCOh now I must hear the Gad Saad episode
Rod Hodges
2023-12-09 08:16:22 +0000 UTC😂😂😂 Fair enough. At least you’re there, maintaining your end of the audio quality, Chris!
Amy McDonald
2023-12-09 04:00:55 +0000 UTCSorry!
Christopher Kavanagh
2023-12-08 23:53:41 +0000 UTCHe’s irrepressible. He knows this but can’t stop.
Christopher Kavanagh
2023-12-08 23:53:14 +0000 UTCCHAPO TRAPO FUNHOUSE 😆😆😆🥲
William Hallauer
2023-12-08 23:46:40 +0000 UTCThis has been one of your more painful listens. Their voices… there is definitely something about them (and I put Peterson, Malone, and Mccollough, Rogan and Weinstein in the same aggravating voice basket) that is so grating. Where to start -how about that DDT is an insecticide and glyphosate is an herbicide -but why get bogged down in pesky details when it’s all about feelings anyway. Really appreciate you guys and look forward to every episode! Thank you.
Karen Miscall-Bannon
2023-12-08 20:46:27 +0000 UTCThey all sound like they took a Xanax before recording.
Mike
2023-12-08 20:45:04 +0000 UTCMatt, is there any chance you could keep the same distance from the microphone when you’re speaking? It’s tricky to hear when you move in and out. Thanks so much!
Amy McDonald
2023-12-08 20:01:13 +0000 UTCThe amount of times I checked to see if my internet had dropped during the audio clips because of the incredibly laidback and cool delivery was neither laidback nor cool. These people are almost too cool to be alive. I’m so glad I’m not cool. Or wait…
Recalcitrant Goat
2023-12-08 19:25:06 +0000 UTCThe combination of vapidity and ignorance delivered with a blase self-confidence was a bit alarming.
Jennifer Nelson
2023-12-08 16:52:08 +0000 UTCHoly crap Im 53 minutes in and this is fucking boring. Considering skipping this ep, but since that would stop my dtg streak I won‘t do it
F
2023-12-08 16:17:21 +0000 UTCThe Shakespeare as author debate is an old one. The usual argument is that the real playwright was a member of the nobility, which never convinced me.
Linda Sears
2023-12-08 13:20:09 +0000 UTCI know right? "It seems true from the title " is what I heard him saying. Mind boggling levels of stupidity and laziness.
Suzan Lemont
2023-12-08 10:25:57 +0000 UTCStaggering levels of stupidity and vapidity. And immaturity. Absolutely nothing interesting or thought provoking in their material, unless it's the bafflement at how the fuck they're popular. I should just stop researching anything and go with "yeah I feel that's true". The time I could save!
Suzan Lemont
2023-12-08 10:08:20 +0000 UTCReally hard to get through - their voices…I’m faaaaaaading……
Simon Patience
2023-12-08 09:19:39 +0000 UTCI see what you did there!
weltysparrow
2023-12-08 09:04:55 +0000 UTCVocal fry is completely normal; it's often misidentified as the culprit in cringe-inducing vocal affects of pretentious rich people. Fry occurs when we try to speak as low as possible. That's often associated with a valley-girl-like tendency to painfully elongate words for emphasis. The fry makes it obvious, but I'd bet it's the affect that grates on most people.
Daniel Beddingfield
2023-12-08 07:08:47 +0000 UTCOr post-truth conservative, or post-foundationalist conservative? I think there is a difference between postmodernism and being obscurantist and indifferent to truth. It's hard to generalise across the postmodern/post-structuralist canons. Still I'd say there's a widespread emphasis on using philosophical critique to pull apart ideologies and political systems that rely on 'grand narratives'. Often with an underlying objective of creating space for marginalised perspectives and people. Whereas these guys & the post-Trump populists are really just clowns :P
Artemis Green
2023-12-08 04:39:29 +0000 UTCYou know it's bad when so many of the DTG diehards are tapping out! I think this is the first episode since Gad Saad that I've found too painful to finish.
Artemis Green
2023-12-08 04:24:23 +0000 UTCYes I'm glad you made the 90s reference! I was also picking up definite MTV apathy generation vibes but wasn't sure if it was just me. Honestly most people I know around my age (late 30s) seem to be leaning in to the idealism and sincerity to make up for all that time we lost - but likewise idk how representative my circles are. If I can make one generalisation about Young People These Days, it is that the late teens and early twenties types I've met all seem to be about 10 years more emotionally intelligent than my generation was at their age, and a lot more inclusive and accepting of difference.
Artemis Green
2023-12-08 04:17:37 +0000 UTCUsually I enjoy the show but this is too much. Tapping out at 58 mins. See you next time.
Bill Beatty
2023-12-08 03:26:57 +0000 UTCOh for sure, Chapo is fucking hilarious. So is Trash Future. Red Scare was only part of that same universe because Dasha dated the extremely sensual Adam Friedland from Cumtown. To be honest I was just looking for a reason to write Cumtown.
Christopher McLaughlin
2023-12-08 03:24:57 +0000 UTCNot only vapid, execrable. Enough said.
elcid
2023-12-08 02:26:31 +0000 UTCI remember this thing about the perfect pre-collonial American Indians coming up when I got into a v frustrating argument with a carnivore guy. He was trying to say because the early explorers thought the American Indians were super hot, all people should eat only meat and plants are poisonous and modern medicine is also sus. I pointed out it could also mean that they lived in a harsh environment where old and sickly people were weeded out by natural selection and actually the presence of old and sick people in modern society is a good sign of our food & healthcare systems working pretty well (w room for improvement of course). But I think they don't really care about what is healthy for the population at large. It's more like a sort of resurgence of eugenics thinking. Which is worrying.
Emma
2023-12-08 01:48:37 +0000 UTCThis is giving me flash backs to high school in the 90s. I remember when this sort of intentional dumb and apathetic thing was cool. And everyone wanted to be Daria. I don't know how much my social circles are representative but one thing I notice when interacting with teenagers and young people is that apathy is out and being smart and idealistic is in. I find it sort of funny they are trying to be 'cool' but in a way that only appeals to middle aged people.
Emma
2023-12-08 01:30:36 +0000 UTCI have mixed feelings about self-diagnosis, but I recognise that when we're talking about thousands of dollars for an ASD/ADHD assessment, there are going to be plenty of neurodivergent people for whom that will never be an option. And like, if you're not going to be prescribed meds for it (unlike ADHD), and you can't afford to pay for psychological support, or you're too scared of discrimination to request accommodations at work... I'd be asking myself what's the point, you know? But as you say, Tao Lin is successful and he's made autism an important part of his public persona, so it doesn't make much sense in his case. I also agree with what you said re: Tao Lin's delivery, but I recognise that there is a good chance I am too biased to comment objectively.
Artemis Green
2023-12-08 00:49:40 +0000 UTCOhhhhh my lord, autofiction and excess testosterone causing autism? In a way, it must be liberating to live life with absolutely no worry that you sound like a complete ignoramus. But also, I'd rather not spend my life sounding like a complete ignoramus.
Artemis Green
2023-12-08 00:31:03 +0000 UTCCould not listen to all of the podcast, these are so cringe, arrogant and uninformed it really drags me down
Protagonist Science
2023-12-08 00:25:00 +0000 UTC😂
elcid
2023-12-08 00:11:48 +0000 UTCI think these people also demonstrate how the horseshoe effect isn't just about how extreme your views are, it's also about how shallow your grasp of politics is.
Leeroy
2023-12-07 23:34:36 +0000 UTCA little nitpick: you used the phrase Neo-conservatism in the description text. That specifically means the Bush/Cheney/McCain type of conservative-interventionist and pro free market. These two are definitely right wing, but in the post Trump, populist way. Postmodern conservative is probably the better description
Ben Godek
2023-12-07 23:32:45 +0000 UTCThere really is no comparison between these annoying airheads and Chapo.
Helga
2023-12-07 23:18:20 +0000 UTCI wasn't prepared for quite this level of performatively offensive bullshit and pseudoscience, completely at odds with almost everything a real advocate would say. I also think you need to add a trigger warning for this amount of vocal fry. Self-diagnosis is mostly accepted among neurodivergent people nowadays due to lack of access to formal diagnosis but I agree that it seems strange that a pretty successful person like Tao Lin wouldn't seek diagnosis if it's part of his public persona. His delivery did also seem a bit affected to me (I'm loathe to admit that the Elon clip did seem more authentically familiar). Everyone's different though, as the saying goes "when you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person"
Leeroy
2023-12-07 23:14:23 +0000 UTCBack in 2015 I started listening to a lot of the dirtbag left comedy podcasts, the funniest by far are Chapo Trap House and Trash Future. I tried listening to Red Scare back when they were Bernie Bros and found it unlistenable. I had no idea they had gone right wing since then, so when I tried listening to them again earlier this year I couldn’t figure out at first whether the Trump and Tucker loving was farce. I listened to a bunch of their podcasts to dig deeper and Chris the way you characterize Red Scare is right on. The podcast started moving right somewhat ironically, but as their audience changed they very much became beholden to the right when they finally started making money. You’d be amazed how popular Red Scare is among “serious” right wing media personalities and some of the heterodox antiwoke brainsmen. Thomas Chatterton Williams antiwoke writer for the Atlantic said on their 3/29/23 episode that Red Scare is his favorite podcast! It was clear Williams was simping for the gals, like he was obviously in love with them, and that helped me understand the appeal of the show to all these ghoulish right wing and heterodox men. These kind-of-attractive, in a way sophisticated and cosmopolitan, irony drenched women were providing something for these lame as fuck boring conservatives. They were flirting with something that even Gavin McInnes had failed at miserably: making it cool to be right wing. It’s incredibly difficult making it cool to be really into Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson. That’s why anarcho capitalists are so funny…we’re anarchists who love the free market! Inherently uncool. Now a normal human listens to Red Scare and wants to gouge out their ear canals within the first three minutes, but to a Steve Bannon like character he hears the skinny cool kids who never wanted to play with his fat degenerate ass agreeing with his right wing ideology for the first time. It’s puppy love plus white nationalism.
Christopher McLaughlin
2023-12-07 21:02:57 +0000 UTCHaving listened to the episode now I am wondering if there might be a modification to the Gurometer to indicate guru susceptibility in a person?
Allan Malcolm McPherson
2023-12-07 20:28:38 +0000 UTCThank you for breaking down the ways I can be one of the cool kids
Riku
2023-12-07 19:55:17 +0000 UTCIt is, but after a while the Irish wit and the Australian charm win you over. Wait.
Ymirsdreams
2023-12-07 19:43:32 +0000 UTCThe more I listened these reactonaries pretending to be liberals the more I missed the old school conservatives. At least those people were intellectually honest when it came to their beliefs.
commutercomputer
2023-12-07 19:32:37 +0000 UTCWow they play all the hits and in such a boring way.
Tim Tripp
2023-12-07 19:28:58 +0000 UTCPlease take the energy level down. I'm trying to concentrate on my long sentences like a wolf.
Roscoe 112
2023-12-07 19:18:02 +0000 UTCI’ve been re-listening to and trying to wrap my head around: “I’ve got this really thick book that talks about…[insert antivaxx talking points]…but I haven’t read it”
zaphods_revenge
2023-12-07 18:50:30 +0000 UTCThey don't fit the guru mould, but what a trio of seriously annoying people. If I got stuck in a corner with these guys at a party, I'd probably jump out the window to get away from them (or, more realistically after a few drinks, probably just slot one, I know, not big, not clever). Tao's delivery is a performance shtick, I'm pretty sure. If you listen carefully to the eczema segment, just before he's about to mention his crotch (paging Dr Freud) he snorts with what would be the start of a snigger, but he immediately represses it. Listen to it again, you'll hear it. Why does he immediately repress his desire to chortle? Because it's breaking character in his act. Second piece of evidence, when he diagnoses his cat with ASD (god give me strength!) one of the symptoms he notes is that she is slow. For me his slow, deliberately monotone, affectless delivery is his antivaxx-pilled idea of how a person on the spectrum "should" speak. i.e. as if they were brain-damaged somehow and with the flattened emotion of a Hollywood screen psychopath. It's performance art. Just really shit performance art. Anyone who has listened to HFA people go off on a brain-dump about one of their favourite topics can attest, slow talking is not a thing. Going on too long and missing all the signals that you're audience got bored 15 minutes ago? OK, that's a thing. But not slowness or lack of emotion/affect. Like, just fuck off you ignorant pseud. While not in the guru mode, their epistemics are similarly broken, but with slightly different cause than the raw megalomania of the gurus. When they discuss how they can't be artists and conservatives, they kinda give the game away. "Because you can't be an artist without being detached from moral commitments" (or whatever the exact wording was from yer wan). I think that's true. They don't have any moral or ideological commitments. That's not all artists - there are plenty of ideologically-committed artists, as Chris pointed out, including extreme religious conservatives (Gaudi anyone?), conservatives and far right nutcases. But there is a layer of sociopathic moral and ideological nihilists who, for lack of any internal engagement with things they can believe in (apart from being "conned" into caring about something by Bernie - the fury was telling in that one) they are slaves to fashion. They are willing hostages to audience capture. Stockholm syndrome for hipsters. But I think it connects to their broken epistemics as well. Because they have no internal engagement with beliefs or ideology, they have never evolved a critical framework to figure out when things contradict (avoid the vaccine in case the pig was contaminated by glycophosphate, but make sure to eat the whole pig, because meat is cool... or at least our audience thinks so). So instead they have to fall back on how anything makes them feel. And this is their truth. How it makes me feel is what's real. That's the truth. And the fact that how I feel about anything is mainly about my anxieties over keeping the follower numbers rising, is neither here nor there. Up against the wall with the lot of them. Just kidding. (Sorta)
Paul Bowman
2023-12-07 17:54:54 +0000 UTCI probably don't need to say this but I feel obliged to. The idea that Indigenous people of the Americas were "pre-agricultural" is pretty nuts.
Allan Malcolm McPherson
2023-12-07 17:16:15 +0000 UTCA few semi-important points about Tao Lin. It doesn’t seem mention on by A&D but his style and publishing house muumuu in the late 00s and early 10s is probably one of the most influential on the greater alt-lit, and general hipster manhattan (it was back in the day Brooklyn, now it’s lower manhattan) irony of something like red scare. It’s not that he’s such a great poet and writer that he’s irreplaceable, but I can’t imagine this style of literature without him, and then there’s been a broadly large impact of alt lit on pop culture. Second thing is he had a me too dust up. I suspect that has something to do with his now public beliefs. You may or may not also be aware there has been a lot of speculation about the involvement of Peter thiel in the “dimes square” lower Manhattan art scene of Red Scare. Thiel has been the patron, along with Mencius moldbug/curtis yarvin. The artists associated are the types of people who turn from hipster to “tradcath” (like Dasha herself), they had a party at the NYC young republican club that A&D hosted etc. One of the more bizarre things that A&D attended was an event for Yarvin’s group that questions whether Shakespeare really was the author of the plays attributed to him.
Podcast Phanatic
2023-12-07 17:03:28 +0000 UTCit feels like a surreal performance piece.
Pete
2023-12-07 16:36:37 +0000 UTCYou two are sadistic for making us listen to it...which makes me a masochist for continuing to listen. 😂 Good ep, guys, nice change of pace.
Jake Lawrence
2023-12-07 13:59:09 +0000 UTCGood god, how does anyone listen to these people?! The whole style is like nails scraping continuously on a chalk board!
weltysparrow
2023-12-07 13:48:40 +0000 UTCOr maybe I’ll just ditch the grading and listen instead!
Linda Sears
2023-12-07 13:31:32 +0000 UTCI’m in another grading marathon, but once I have finished, I will treat myself with listening.
Linda Sears
2023-12-07 13:12:21 +0000 UTCIt‘s happening! Got my Ibuprofen ready in case the pain becomes unbearable
mobitobi
2023-12-07 12:11:59 +0000 UTC
