Update & Preview of DiAngelo Episode
Added 2022-10-30 01:38:02 +0000 UTCHi everyone,
Chris here.
We had wanted the DiAngelo episode out this week and we have completed about 80% and started editing but some technical issues with Matt's internet means we need to wait to at least Monday next week to record the last part to finish off the episode.
So it will likely be out early next week but since everyone here has been so patient I thought you might enjoy an advance preview of the intro. I'll stop it at the decoding segment so you can just skip to there when the episode is released.
Hope you enjoy. I think the episode itself is good and will be interesting to hear the feedback!
(Also sorry for the abrupt end... should have added a fade out but my laptop power is about to die so better upload as is!)
Cheers!
Comments
He says a few extreme things in the interview but compared to the rest of the guru-sphere it is extremely sensible.
Christopher Kavanagh
2022-11-05 07:55:38 +0000 UTCJust finished listening to the full release ep. Great stuff. I thought really well skewered DiAngelo. And I don't think it's a specifically a milquetoast liberal critique either, as a card-carrying extreme-leftist, I agreed entirely with the critique. The Jacky Robinson stuff was outrageous. And I'd be amazed if she has any actual black friends if she interacts with all black people the weird, alien and covertly hostile way she tried to apologise to yer wan. Yipes! And the transformation of racism into a white psychodrama ("Me! Me! It's all about me!") is just offensive. Try practical solidarity with people trying to actually change society to be less racist if you want to learn stuff and build relationships of trust with people of colour and other racialised folks. DiAngelo's programme is cult-like white narcissism that's of no practical value to actual victims of racism. Disgraceful stuff altogether
Paul Bowman
2022-11-04 19:55:57 +0000 UTCI haven't listened to Sam Harris's interview with Timothy Snyder yet, and it's possible that there's nothing in it that I would find objectionable. But I think it's relevant to point out that, although there's no doubt that he's an expert on the history of Eastern Europe, he's come in for a fair amount of criticism from other historians for essentially taking on a guru role: https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-bleak-prophecy-of-timothy-snyder/
M
2022-11-04 13:22:13 +0000 UTCThat discussion of metaphors reminded me of large chunks of Plato's Republic where Socrates criticises poetry ("maybe we should ban people who think in metaphors"). What do people think: is viewing DTG as a type of Socratic dialogue to see it in a positive or a negative light?
Alan O'Farrell
2022-11-04 10:14:56 +0000 UTCMy very narrow point was that, in this case, where she was demonstrating how people say “Black” without saying “Black,” she is spot on in this example. If a white person says “poor neighborhood in NO where I don’t feel safe” they mean a Black neighborhood and nothing else
Jennifer Nelson
2022-11-04 04:35:45 +0000 UTCSure but It's not about the accuracy of this one anecdote. It's about the way she jumps up from one anecdote to a universal statement about the fundamental nature of all white people. Namely that middle class people wanting to live in nice areas proves we're all racists, and if we are lefties, also hypocrites. Which is rubbish. In my city I recently escaped an extremely white poor area for a very multi-ethnic middle class area. My main motive was that I saved myself 10 hours a week in commuting time. But I'm also enjoying all the other perks of better amenities and feeling safe to go walking at night.
Emma
2022-11-04 03:50:28 +0000 UTCI know you guys already noted these parallels but as someone who grew up in the fundy evangelical church all of what DiAngelo was doing was so familiar and sort of grossly triggering. The original sin. The idea of thought crimes (lust is the same as adultery, hate is the same as murder). And most of all this weird weird self righteous pride in somehow debasing yourself more than others. So much religious pop music is full of these lyrics about self abatement and grovelling for forgiveness and trying to purge yourself of any pride and being the greatest sinner of all. It does make me feel icky.
Emma
2022-11-03 23:01:35 +0000 UTCJumping on here to make a quick comment on the Di Angelo episode. In your response to her New Orleans anecdote where your criticism was based around race not being synonymous with poverty, in the case of New Orleans they are inextricably linked to the American ear. While I’m sure there are poor white people living in NO, poverty in NO is coded as Black (think of the images of the folks stranded after Katrina in the Lower Ninth Ward). OTOH places like Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia (Appalachian mining towns) have high poverty rates and are coded as white (even though poor Black folks live there too)
Jennifer Nelson
2022-11-03 00:25:59 +0000 UTCLet’s see 😉
Christopher Kavanagh
2022-10-31 06:10:16 +0000 UTCWith the preamble about the format being better suited for bathroom tweeter type intellectualism, I can already tell it's a matter of days before you get canceled for not scoring her high enough. Have you no compassion for enlightened centrists and hate listeners, desperate for so long, further forlorn, waiting to get their rocks off? When will the Gurometer provide?
Exai
2022-10-30 20:02:27 +0000 UTCJust listened to your discussion on the Yex conversation. It's shite journalism, but it reminded me of the concept of "Beziehungskredit". (Yes, the dull pain of listening to gurus waffle for hours is not enough for true masochists like ours truly. Add the stinging pain of the german language to really get them going). "Beziehungskredit" literally translated would be relationship credit. Kurzgesagt, in interaction with people who suffer from NPD the therapist needs to build up "credit" with the patient before he can lead the patient to interrogate his worldview. Otherwise strongly developed schemata would end all hope for change then and there. Of course this happens over an extended time period. Lex pressuring Kanye to trust him on the spot is outright manipulative. In a weird way, Lex interview was a great example for having a private conversation with a difficult relative or what have you. (if you want to. No one has to do it). He met Kanye where Kanye was, acknowledged his pain, offered bridge after bridge and at the same time defended his red lines steadfastly. While I am impressed, all this should not happen in the public sphere. But alas, we are living in a shitshow. Book recommendation: Sachse, Rainer. Personality Disorders: A Clarification Oriented Psychotherapy Treatment Model. Hogrefe Verlag, 2019.
mobitobi
2022-10-30 08:53:03 +0000 UTC
