Brene Brown Gurometer *UNEDITED* (AUDIO)
Added 2021-11-28 23:33:22 +0000 UTCAgain... two hours of sleep, so this is the audio version of that video!
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I appreciate listening to your views on Brene Brown and find them generally fair and accurate, though I think there is more to her and her work , than you can find in a few hours listening. As a Welsh person living in Ireland, I share your bias about the ways many Americans can have different emphases, and had to get passed that bias to be able to really listen to her.Personally I have found her work very helpful - for a few years, a few years ago, I listened to her a lot. Not her Ted Talks - I don't like the Ted Talk formulaic approach, and rarely find them that helpful or truly representative of the person. I read and listened to her books and to discussions about them. I rarely read to listen to her now - but I am very grateful to having found her work when I did, and I credit it with being very helpful to me in finding my way through some internal struggles - which I can see has helped me navigate through the last few years of the pandemic in a more open, considered way, than I may have without that internal work. I have never felt any pull form her, to remain a disciple, or to be pulled back (which is maybe more cultish than guru-is, but is prevalent in the guru-sphere). I have experienced her as a helpful teacher - and like all helpful teachers - you grow through their work and move on.............. And I think you capture that essence well. Re the above point about her being a multi-millionaire as a Social Worker - I am a former social worker, and feel no jealousy or downside to her success. She puts a lot of her full resources of time, money and focus into improving social work training. I know during my training in the 1980's , I couldn't believe that we weren't asked to challenge ourselves and our values before going out to make judgements about other people's - and over the years, I have seen have I and others trying to "heal" themselves by helping others. Brene's work is really helpful and well considered and focussed in improving the quality of social work . When I was reading her work I was very much wishing that my training had been informed by her work. I find her qualitative research model very relatable as a practice based, rather than research based approach, for someone working in the field. It's good to hear an episode on someone I know and have found helpful and to find it well balanced.
Christine Jenkins
2021-12-05 08:09:52 +0000 UTCHmm, I know I should be more careful -- I am just responding to the Gurometer analysis and have no depth of knowledge/familiarity with Ms. Brown beyond what I heard in this episode and a few quick Google searches afterward. She seems to me to be an empower-er of some pretty put upon classes of people and, as such, difficult to criticize -- at the same time, she seems a bit loose with the science underlying her claims. And her empowerment message -- in large part one may surmise due to its presentation as science -- has garnered her considerable wealth (if she became wealthy by some other mechanism, then I am wrong in linking the two -- I am unaware of this). I made my comment just because I thought it was worth considering in her over-all quite sympathetic case. I am happy to be argued with and shown to be wrong, but thought it was worth considering. If the scientific nature of her claims aren't really central to their financial success in the form of popular books and highly paid speaking engagements -- OR if their scientific validity is fairly widely accepted/backed up -- then it is correct to give her a "1" on the profiteering/grift scale of the Gurometer. If neither of those is the case, then I think there is room for discussion, at least.
Tom Allison
2021-12-01 16:20:56 +0000 UTCGood episode, and I thought most of the points were...on point. But I think in the rush to make fun of inventing new definitions for words to distinguish them from each other, you overlooked something important about guilt vs. shame. I talked about the distinction here: https://giantif.com/2013/02/18/shame-shame-know-your-name/ And reading my own post again, I'm struck by how I interpreted American individualism as having the opposite effect from what you suggested-- it conflates guilt and shame by holding the individual above everything in the free-will libertarian sense...also the positive psych sense. As in, when the individual is personally responsible for everything that affects them, right down to their own emotions, that can turn a useful state (guilt) into a non-useful one (shame) AND it's also terrible in terms of inspiring positive thinking (which I consider nonsense anyway) because it means when/if you don't feel positive, it's your own fault. Which, in my experience, only makes you feel worse.
Gretchen Koch
2021-12-01 16:01:08 +0000 UTCI don't think either Chris or Matt actually said her science is suspect-- they said they hear a lot of platitudes in what she says, and those aren't very useful. Definitely not the same thing. If you want to call somebody a grifter, you need to actually show that they're being duplicitous, and intentionally so. Absent those two, you're just slinging mud at someone for being wealthy.
Gretchen Koch
2021-12-01 15:52:51 +0000 UTCAm I right that "profiteering" is currently called "grifting" in the gurometer document? I mean, the multi-millions in a profession that usually generates far more modest incomes still seems a bit smoke-to-fire-ish to me -- but maybe I underestimate the potential in best-seller publishing. IF we find her "science" suspect -- i.e., if she is mainly repackaging platitudes in science-y wrapping -- and becoming very wealthy doing it, then isn't she drifting close to grift? I mean do we criticize it less because we are sympathetic with the message?
Tom Allison
2021-12-01 08:21:02 +0000 UTCBeing successful is not the same as profiteering. If that's the criteria all wealthy people have been profiteering, which I don't think is right.
Christopher Kavanagh
2021-12-01 05:25:39 +0000 UTCRe: Ms. Brown and profiteering: she’s a multimillionaire. How many social workers and academics do you know who have earned their way into that category? I suspect there is something bordering on profiteering going on, there, no?
Tom Allison
2021-11-30 07:24:35 +0000 UTCHow can you both be familiar with the more obscure corners of Japanese cuisine and not have the marvelous and oft-needed adjective “mucilaginous“ always at the ready? It’s both nearly onomatopoeic *and* much more appropriate at the table and generally high-minded than the alternative “snot-like” ;).
Tom Allison
2021-11-30 07:22:49 +0000 UTCGreat idea doing the Joe Rogan episode with Daniel Schmachtenberger!
Kai
2021-11-29 11:41:08 +0000 UTCYes! Just need to find some time for minor editing! Will try to get it all up to date this week.
Christopher Kavanagh
2021-11-29 09:55:37 +0000 UTCHey guys, love what you do and I was wondering, can put these audio only on the patreon subscriber feed? Cheers
Demostix
2021-11-29 08:18:12 +0000 UTC
