An Abandoned Neural Wraith Idea
Added 2023-04-21 00:13:27 +0000 UTCSo I'm (mostly) taking that break I promised, although I'm also still thinking about writing while also preparing to overhaul my Heretic Spellblade notes before I jump back into a long writing session for it.
But in the aftermath of Book 3 I had a crazy idea for Book 4 that I more or less knew I couldn't write, particularly as the series risks becoming more of a passion project. So I might as well talk a bit about that idea.
The Conceit
Nick starts the book in Babylon, but not the one you're used to. He's working a perfectly normal job as a boring cipher-analyst (probably under Tiferet). No Archangels, no tight security that badgers him for biometric authentication, no Sword of Damocles from the military (as a sidenote, for those who still haven't picked up on the Dresden Files inspiration - yeah). This is basically the dream corpo life he wanted, but it doesn't take him long to realize he's basically in some sort of simulation and that something is off.
Once he remembers enough to break the simulation, the novel starts for real. Nick is pulled back into reality and is being held in some sort of facility by an unknown organization who are interrogating him about [redacted stuff related to dolls and Nick].
The idea is that his captors will put him in various simulations to test both his reaction to them and the reactions by dolls and mainframes. The Archangels begin interfering using their cipher abilities and EW capabilities. Nick's goal isn't just to escape the facility, but to work with the Archangels to see if he can't find out what who his captors are and why they are specifically after him. Some old pals might show up in the simulation as well.
The ending would have been action-packed, with a huge raid on the facility to rescue Nick.
Why I Wanted to Write It
For one, I like writing different stuff, even in a genre that's very much about the same book with a different coat of paint. This book would test my writing skills to an extent that they haven't been since I wrote the first Neural Wraith and Spellblade 4, both of which were books that required me to write things I always wanted to but had tended to fumble in past writing attempts (an immersive mystery in an interesting world that incorporated topical elements without being preachy; and a climactic war after a buildup that acts as a series midpoint).
It's also a great chance to do some fun stuff that isn't easily possible in the canon novels.
From a series perspective, this would also achieve a lot of useful things. Nick would take physical damage, allowing an easy excuse for cybernetics, but would also be forced to take a more forward role in the book and confront a lot of his feelings toward both Babylon and the Archangels.
It would also work well as a way to escalate the corporate conflicts of the series while shifting away from the foreign angle a little. This is also a negative, though. It risks escalating things too rapidly - I'll admit that this idea (or something similar) might sit in my head as a card I play to close out the series as an alternative to a huge revolution through riots. Particularly as the raid at the end isn't necessarily conducted by the Archangels/Babylon.
Why It Shouldn't be Written
A lot of you can probably guess why.
This book would be far darker than the rest of the series. I gave a brief explanation to a couple of people. One said that just hearing the idea made him feel tense, and another said it sounded better as a movie.
The big problem, besides the many genre conventions it would break (and result in immense bitching), is that even for an episodic novel it's a huge break in style. To bring up the Dresden Files again, this would be closer to Ghost Story and risks being as base-breaking. A story like this could be very good if it closed out (or close to) the series or acted as a side-story, but as a midpoint it risks pissing off tons of people. For something as big as the Dresden Files, that risk can pay off. For me, even if the book is good, it risks pissing off a ton of people and basically killing the series (and harming all of my books).
Episodic works need some baseline to work from, and I've only just started to establish that. I have no clue if Neural Wraith will stabilize enough to justify continuing long-term, although my suspicion that cyberpunk harem is about to be beaten into the ground by a rash of short "thriller" series with AI covers makes my decision to sit on the series for a bit a wise one imo.
Genre-wise, there are big issues with the entire setup. It's far more Nick-focused than usual. The two most oft-repeated complaints about the series are that Nick thinks too much (it's a mystery novel - while I'm still learning, I do refer to them while writing Neural Wraith, and the Dresden Files collectively outsells the entire harem genre, so I'll take my writing advice from it) and that the women are meaningless. The latter has some merit, although part of that complaint is just people who don't like actual robot girls due to overexposure to the type that are just regular women who you're told are robots.
Even in a simulation that could display some interesting stuff about the Archangels, or with interference from Rie, Zeke, or Kushiel, the fact that the dolls there aren't the real ones will deaden much of what they do. They "won't matter" more so than usual, because what they do won't matter. Sure, I could justify it by having the Archangels download the database at the end and merge with the memories, but that won't help the reader experience at the time.
Whenever I see reader complaints about "why do authors do X, it's such bad writing!" I usually have some past experience to justify why I ignore the complaint. In this case, Heretic Spellblade 2 comes to mind. I'm always wary of readers always assuming the worst interpretation of a scene because they assume I'm lazy, incompetent etc. I get away with more now, but if somebody is frustrated with the book they won't give me that leeway.
Toward the end of Spellblade 2, Nathan defeats another Bastion. Seraph approaches the enemy Bastion with her tonfas raised above his head, but Nathan looks away before she deals the finishing blow. Later, Sunstorm shows up with the Bastion's decapitated head. I forget, but I believe it's stated that the head is battered but still whole. This is supposed to retroactively inform the reader that whatever Seraph did, it didn't involve obliterating the Bastion's head.
Instead, people assumed I just forget something that happened like 4 paragraphs earlier and got mad. I got some negative reviews which, combined with the NTR scare, heavily impacted sales of the book. Similar problems are why I tend to repeat important information when relevant - I've seen readers forget major plot points from like a chapter or two ago. If readers will assume the worst of me, then I need to assume the worst of them and hold their hand.
In the case of this idea, it has huge implications as I know a lot of people will assume the book is basically a VRMMO where nothing matters.
Finally, this idea sounds great on paper but risks just being flat out terrible in execution. It might require a level of writing skill I simply lack. I struggled to pull of the Altnet stuff, for instance. While people who finished the book have responded positively, Neural Wraith 3 has horrendous KU figures. It's possible this is a result of the push by many authors to get readers to buy books (the KU payout just fell drastically; harem authors are spamming out short books that pay poorly in KU, so proper purchases are far better, which is why pre-orders are being pushed hard) but it might also be a sign that something in the book is causing DNFs. Confirmation bias makes me think it's the Altnet.
So writing a hugely ambitious book after struggling with both Neural Wraiths and failing to get Spellblade 6 off the ground initially seems like a fool's errand. I might need to wait a while before I touch another major project.
Alternatives
So, Book 4 is most likely going to be a low stakes book whenever I get around to it and Book 5 will be the dark, escalatory one. At the moment I'm committed to at least two more books in the series but I'm giving Neural Wraith some time to breath while waiting to see what the impact of the trend-chasing in harem has.
I might turn this idea into a short story. It actually started as a short story idea initially. But I suck at short stories and they tend to get long enough to nearly be novels.
Finally, I can pocket the idea and potentially use it as a way to help end the series. As I alter the direction of the series I'm also adjusting how I might end it. Lilith, Hel, and Smythe are big additions that allow me to do some more exciting things to close out the series without just repeating tropes.
Anyway, let me know your thoughts on the idea. I just figured to put this out there to give you something to chew on before I get stuck into Spellblade in earnest. You probably won't hear about anything but Spellblade for a while after this.
Comments
So, the review was clearly left in bad faith as it basically made up the NTR stuff wholecloth. I added the line to explicitly state that Vera wasn't that interested in champions and might only get female ones afterward, but before that the topic never came up in the book at all. Vera wasn't intended to be asexual, so much as ambitious and more interested in power. In the original Spellblade 1, she slept with Nathan in the scene where Fei and Sen drink with him right before they attack Seraph but I disliked it and cut it. She's gotten sidelined in favour of more interesting characters, but I may finally decide to commit and actually give her a character arc to close her out.
K.D. Robertson
2023-05-02 01:13:33 +0000 UTCMaybe I'm completely off base here but isn't Vera asexual? I'm not getting any relationship vibes between Nathan and Vera (and she has been pretty sidelined for a while), so I don't get the NTR angle. In the book it was even suggested she'd get female champions in a platonic way.
J
2023-05-01 17:38:02 +0000 UTCI kept the details limited (as I do have answers for them) as I might use some of these ideas in later books, even if the core idea is nixed, and they might become spoilers. But it does become an issue of "suspension of disbelief" where some or many readers might find it hard to believe the basic idea. I'm usually not a fan of the MC being captured in a story (as it frequently involves some level of plot-induced stupidity), but don't mind stories where it's part of the base premise - but not everyone feels the same way.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-23 03:17:34 +0000 UTCGhost Story is more of a warning to me than something I want to model. I like the feeling of the story idea I created (and it's a common story idea in more episodic fiction), but I'm aware that it might be a very divisive book and is difficult to pull off well. The downside of changing the fundamental aspect of "Nick being captured" is that it immediately takes away a lot of what makes the story interesting. Simply finding somebody's simulation of Nick is very different to him being captured and interrogated.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-23 03:14:13 +0000 UTCI'm wary of including alternate PoVs in Neural Wraith. I like the vibe of it being focused on Nick, as it means the city is filtered through his perspective.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-23 03:11:44 +0000 UTCYeah, the issue of how to handle a side story is problematic. Part of the reason I modified the original idea to be more of a mainline entry was because I feel it has more potential than to just be a short story that will mostly be ignored and can't be easily canonized. At the same time, it's a bit too rough for many regular readers. It's made more complicated by KU. Part of the reason I didn't put side stories into the Spellblade compilation (and probably won't pursue compilations much) is exclusivity. I can't keep them on Patreon and put them in KU, which sucks.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-23 01:14:46 +0000 UTCI think it’s an interesting concept, but I also agree that it would be too early in the series for the reasons you state. Two questions came to mind about the described scenario: how would Nick be able to interface with such a simulation (like in book 3 or something different) and how would Nick become physically isolated from the AAs so completely? I’d be eager to find out if/when this scenario is written. As a fan of the Dresden Files, I find the mention of Ghost Story to be apt. Regarding Nick’s physicality in conflict: I honestly like that Nick has a limited capability in physical conflicts, as it fuels novel problem solving and makes the books more grounded/immersive (I tend to get disconnected from books with MCs which are overpowered). I’ll start buying the books in addition to KU/Audiobooks; Didn’t hear about the payout. Also: if Undying Mercenaries can last as a military soap opera for 20 books, I think your writing quality and world building can support a longer series (if you are so inclined). Either way, I’m glad I found your work and patron. I look forward to your future books.
GamelessGamer
2023-04-22 18:49:47 +0000 UTCA review claimed that Vera was NTRing Nathan because she'd become a bastion. It caused an almost immediate drop in sales and is probably the only time I've had to directly address a review. I think it's still the top review for Spellblade 2.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-22 00:06:12 +0000 UTCWait, what was the NTR scare? I don’t really remember anything like that…
Jack Napier
2023-04-21 21:00:31 +0000 UTCWe'll see what the new books result in. So far they feel like the sort of cyberpunk I'm uninterested in (purely aesthetic and almost celebratory of it), but maybe somebody will surprise me.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-21 04:46:17 +0000 UTCWhy does a series have to end?
Crit Happens
2023-04-21 02:20:56 +0000 UTCIt dropped significantly in March and caused some consternation in author groups. My books are long enough that I sometimes make more from KU (until this drop, any of my books over 500 pages on Amazon make roughly the same or more), but all the authors writing 60k word books (the sub-300 page books) make like $1.50 per KU read and double that for a purchase.
K.D. Robertson
2023-04-21 02:04:31 +0000 UTCI like the general concept, but I do think the framing needs work to switch the characters from being passive to active, and create more guaranteed interaction and conflict. I'd suggest that rather than pulling from Ghost Story pull from the upcoming Mirror Mirror. Have this bid bad corp run the simulation, but not be able to capture Nick. So they use an AI modeled after him. Real Nick and the Archangels could find and infiltrate it to let the type of scenes you want happen, and mindfuck Nick with his 'double'.
John Smith
2023-04-21 02:03:09 +0000 UTCI didn’t realize the KU payout is so low. I usually make an effort to purchase the books I truly enjoy, leaving KU for trying out new authors or fluff books. This is a good reminder to me to keep this in mind.
Alex Lindsay
2023-04-21 01:35:23 +0000 UTCInteresting idea but I agree that the execution is key as it could become not as fun as the rest of the stories. Have you considered a hybrid story where nicks simulation story is told in parallel with Rie and kushiel working to fin him? This gives a bit of a break from the simulation and allows the Archangels to sho further development, especially if there is push back from the local authorities. Just an idea, which you have probably already thought about.
Alex Lindsay
2023-04-21 01:30:27 +0000 UTCThat kind of idea would be perfect for a side story novel, but those aren't exactly popular in western media. Usually mainline stories don't have the wiggle room to take departures like that, which can be unfortunate. I love the idea though and if it ever was a side story I would definitely pick it up anyways.
Jayy Wes
2023-04-21 01:30:08 +0000 UTCFirstly, I'd like to express my preference for the Neural Wraith series over your other book series. The concept has great potential, although the execution will ultimately determine its success. Given the realistic nature of the altnet, it's possible to write the book in a similar style to your previous works. However, in this case, the investigation itself is the information that the nefarious corporations are after, and the criminals are actually the archangels and their associates searching for the protagonist in the altnet. Ultimately, the decision is yours, but I'm personally willing to pay extra for the kind of book you've proposed.
Mike M
2023-04-21 01:16:59 +0000 UTCI kinda like it. You are right it would have to be shoehorned in.. but if you write it I will read it!😍
Oscar Leon Robbins
2023-04-21 01:04:03 +0000 UTCGreat idea for closing the series. Nick and his team stop the major contributor to the riots, and when things calm down and everything seems settled, the "true" villains capture him and he goes through the process. You introduced several new characters and a lot of development happened with pre-existing characters in book 3. Throwing the team in a situation like that within the next 2 books could definitely mess with the flow. Not going to lie, I laughed when I saw the emergence of Cyberpunk stories. People were mention only you and Joe Kuster were the only people doing Cyberpunk. Then 2 months later 3 new Cyberpunk stories came out. XD
Mation Amalga
2023-04-21 00:49:18 +0000 UTCI like the idea, but would agree that it would be best saved for the later part of the series, at the moment it would just be too much of a blind side. It would also take some major leaps to explain how Nick is interacting with the simulation. There is definitely lots of interesting things you can do with the concept, and lots of potential payoff but I think you would be staying much further into the purely psychology. Also yes, people are dumb, my favorite example will always be dead space where they tell the player to aim for limbs 4 different ways in under a minute... You can just feel the developers frustration at play testers.
Paul Matson
2023-04-21 00:36:09 +0000 UTCWell I'm not really into the idea but I think you could pull it off in a way I'd like. I didn't expect to like Neural Wraith at all initially. Cyberpunk, mystery, robot girls, mostly non-combatant MC etc. were all things I didn't really like yet I ended up loving Neural Wraith regardless. There's nothing inherently terrible about the idea so I suppose it just comes down to execution. Book 4 being low-stakes followed by a darker Book 5 sounds good to me.
2023-04-21 00:32:20 +0000 UTCFirst love the dresden series next book needs to come out. Second, yeah that type of story really isn't my thing. A chapter or 2 is fine but when it's an entire book I just want it to be over. It always feels like it slows everything down and I can't really connect to it.
Bob Bryan
2023-04-21 00:29:03 +0000 UTCI think the idea is alright, the thing i like about neural wraith is the character interactions. The way he goes around the islands and how people react to him. Throwing him in a bunch of vr settings could still work but I see it cutting alot of interactions that increase the scope of/define more of life on the islands. That being said, you've done well enough with the world building in the first 3 books that as long as you lean heavily into the ai girls it should carry a similar vibe, even if it's darker. Sounds like the mystery will be there too.
Logan Carl
2023-04-21 00:22:44 +0000 UTCIt’s a neat idea but not my cup of tea from the description. Unless we get a lot more of best girl metatron !!!
Monster Royalty
2023-04-21 00:20:13 +0000 UTC