Let me pick your Brain! - Part 5
Added 2023-05-30 12:09:53 +0000 UTCToday, I got something quick and dirty.
The re-write for the last half of Chapter 17 - Catharsis, going up on RR later today.
Before it goes live to the thousands of readers over on RR, I wanted to get a quick test drive on reactions and thoughts for the revised passages.
Without further ado:
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[The fight is finished, Alex is laying on the floor, two knives inside his armpits, two other knives, entirely separate knives, different from the first two knives mentioned in this passage, scraping his kidney and liver.]
[Start of passage]
As she continued, her voice became more and more frantic, her anger overtaking her initial intentions of simple mockery.
“You’re utterly pathetic, Alex. Lan even warned you. I heard all of it. He even told you straight up. You're not even close to his level, yet you thought you could beat me? Why? Just because you’re an inner-worlder, who has never had to fight a real life-or-death battle?
“You don’t even know what it means to truly fight for your life. You never had to run for your life until your lungs were burning, your legs gave out, and you were puking your guts out from exhaustion, simply to survive another day in a shithole undercity. You never had to scrounge up dregs of food from trash cans or the streets, just to have something to subsist on for the next couple of hours until you found more.
“You’ve never had to hide underneath the dead bodies of your peers from roaming gangs that were out to rape and kill you, just for fun! You. Are. Nothing. Alex.
“Your inner-world pride will amount to nothing, because you simply are nothing. You have no future here, no chances to climb the Corps, no potential. You are the worst of all the Marines in our drive, for you don’t even understand where you’re going wrong, when your friend forcefully rubs your stupid fucking face into it.”
Unable, or maybe unwilling, to hold back her overflowing rage, Thea pulled out the knife that had been lodged in Alex's right armpit, eliciting a renewed grunt of pain from the writhing Marine below her. With a fever in her eyes, Thea stood up and walked over to Alex' legs, before she expertly cut the tendons on his heels, making sure to keep eye-contact with the screaming Marine in front of her.
Leisurely, while observing the blood dripping from her knife, Thea started to speak, "You see... When I was seven, I killed my first man. Two, actually. They were hooked up on some kind of drug, likely flake, but I never really cared enough to check. It was mid-day, I was walking out of the rudimentary school with a classmate of mine. A young girl, similar in age to mine, if I remember correctly... Regardless, these two men suddenly showed up, hallucinating void knows what, and out of nowhere, started brutally beating my classmate."
Thea stabbed the knife deep into Alex's groin before twisting, watching and listening to his pained reactions with an impassive glare, before continuing.
"Have you ever watched two grown men beat a seven year old girl, with the intent to kill? It's not a nice sight, let me tell you. Her screams and the sounds of their fists hitting flesh, breaking bone and tearing hair will never leave me, Alex. I was seven.
"A year prior, my Old Man had given me a knife, for self-defence purposes, and taught me how to use it. Can you imagine, Alex? It wasn't just a gift for notorieties' sake, or a ceremonial thing. This was a very real thing that my Old Man considered to be an essential part of life in the undercity. Luckily, too, as just barely over a year later, with those two men, I needed it to survive."
Thea pulled out the knife from Alex's mangled groin slowly, before gently using it's blade to carress Alex's cramped-up hands.
"I stabbed them both. First the lanky guy, then the small one. Right in the back, where my Old Man showed me their kidney would be. They fell over, barely even screamed and died seconds later. I doubt they even knew what was happening, considering the ludicrous amount of flake they had probably consumed... Whatever. It doesn't matter. After all, things like that happened every single day, all across the midworld. The undercity might've seen the worst of it, but this wasn't a local issue. It's a planetary one."
Thea moved her face closer to Alex's, making sure that his eyes were able to focus on her and see her, before she continued.
"I wonder what you did when you were seven? What grand adventures you, the allmighty inner-worlder, have been up to? Maybe you can share them with me, someday, Alex? Tell me of your grand achievements. Your heroic battles. Your life-or-death, fight-or-flight moments? I'd love to hear them, for you truly do like to paint a vivid picture, of how superior you inners are, at everything under the suns. What were you up to that makes you so superior, while I watched another girl, the same age as me, get beaten to death by a pair of addicts, before murdering them myself?"
She finally kneeled down next to Alex’s face, who was glaring at her with utter contempt in his eyes, a quiver of rage and pain escaping his mouth.
“So... I ask you, Alex. One last time: How dare you? How dare you question my sacrifices in getting here?”
Thea forcefully slapped him across the face with her gauntleted hand, eliciting a renewed scream of pain and a spray of blood from his mouth.
“How dare you question the sacrifices all of us mid-worlders have made to get here? The sacrifices our planets have made over centuries, to finally be recognized by the UHF?”
Once again, she slapped him across the face.
“And lastly, how fucking dare you question the UHF leadership? Major Quinn? The initial assessment as a whole? 2 years of Basic, including the entirety of the Allbright System? Just who exactly do you think you are, to judge all of this with your narrow mindset of being a stuck-up, stupid cunt, to claim they’re all conspiring to get mid-worlders into the Corps, simply to spite you?”
One last time she forcefully slapped him across the face, fully putting her all into the hit, breaking parts of his teeth and cheek bones in the strike.
Upon slowly recentering his vision on her, his eyes filled to the brim with contempt and hatred, Alex gritted his, partially broken, teeth and muttered, “Fuc—”
Before he could finish however, Thea rammed her gauntleted fist deep into his mouth, shattering nearly every tooth in his mouth and cracking parts of his jaw, as she continued to bore her fist deeper and deeper.
“No. Fuck you.”
With a last, violent push, accompanied by a sickening crunch, Thea put all of her weight behind her fist, shattering the back of Alex’s neck.
A few moments later, as Alex’s hate-filled eyes finally glazed over, the buzzer sounded, ending the first round of the fight. Slowly, Thea regained her senses, as the unbridled rage inside her body subsided.
It was instead replaced by a feeling of utter regret, ‘I definitely went way too far on this one…’
Where before, she had somewhat hoped that the blue barrier was translucent from the inside, so she could see the reactions of the spectators, she now wished the opposite. She wanted the barrier to be fully opaque and not let anyone from the outside see her behaviour, one entirely unfit for the Marine Corps.
Stunned by her own actions, Thea thought to herself, ‘I should have stopped when I was ahead. That was incredibly stupid of me…’
Suddenly, the entire arena turned crimson, as the lighting abruptly changed. Simultaneously, Thea heard the revving of chainswords mere metres behind her, before an ear-splitting screech robbed her of her senses entirely.
The next moment, when she managed to spin around and open her eyes again after the intense bout of pain brought on by the sudden noise, she saw a recently respawned Alex, suspended in a cone of light, mere metres away from her, brandishing his dual chainswords in a clear attempt on her life.
Eyes wide, Thea rapidly backed away from the cone of light. Sure, Alex was a bigot and a piece of trash, but she never expected him to go this far. To actively try and kill her, outside of the official arena fights, was utterly insane. It had been a completely impossible scenario in her mind, to the point she hadn’t even considered it.
Just as abruptly, a deep, threatening voice echoed through the arena from Thea’s left, “Just what in the Emperor’s name do you think you are doing here?”
Startled by the voice, Thea quickly spun around, while backing off from the origin with a jump.
Seeing Lt. Eifang lumber menacingly around ten metres away from her put Thea’s mind into a state of panic. His face and general body language spoke of a severely upset demeanour, no matter how one tried to look at it.
“Recruit Alex Cladion, due to the attempted assault on the life of one of your fellow Marines, you are hereby immediately stripped of your rank and will be transported to the brig for further processing.
“I truly wish I had the authority to take care of you myself, but rest assured that Major Quinn will receive a full report on the incident, with very precise recommendations on what to do with you. Consider yourself lucky that you’re getting off that easy…
“Sovereign, take him to the isolation brig. Inform Major Quinn of what occurred and include a full recording of the entire Practical class. His prior comments before the class started will likely play a big part in her decision-making. Consider his advanced psych-evaluation as failed.”
Upon the Lieutenant’s words, Alex suddenly disappeared from the arena, alongside the cone of light and all of his equipment. Before Thea could process what even happened, Lt. Eifang turned towards her, his gaze freezing the blood in her veins to the core.
“And you, Recruit Thea McKay… Consider yourself equally lucky that his bad behaviour outshines yours several fold. While you did not, technically, break any rules or regulations, as everything that occurred was part of a fight-to-the-death, I trust that you understand your actions were way out of line with what the UHF Marine Corps stands for?
“Trying to prove that mid-worlders aren’t savages by displaying the most savage, torturous treatment of a fellow Marine is not exactly what I’d call fruitful. Make no mistake, the beginning of the fight was beautifully executed, but you should have ended it there. Especially as a member of Alpha Squad, you are supposed to be an example of how to behave, not an example of how to get kicked out of the Corps in record time.
“If I ever see you needlessly prolong the suffering or outright torture of a fellow Marine like that again, I promise you here and now that I will be sure to return it in kind, before throwing you into the brig and handing you over to Major Quinn. This is your first, last, and only warning you will ever receive about this matter. Are we clear, Recruit?”
Utterly terrified at the thought of being on the receiving end of Lt. Eifang’s fury, Thea quickly saluted before him and pressed out a “Yes, Sir! Crystal clear, Sir!” between laboured breaths.
“Good. Now, get your shit together and prepare for the next opponent. The class has not been dismissed yet, so you’ll continue to fight until you drop. Don’t ever do stupid shit like this again. You’re in the Marine Corps now, not whatever backwater undercity you hail from. You might be fighting to the death, but only a simulation and exclusively for training. Keep your disciplinary actions to a limit going forward, Recruit. Your advanced psych-eval has taken a severe hit with whatever the fuck you thought you were doing back there. Don't let it happen again.”
With those words, Lt. Eifang briskly walked towards the exit of the arena, which opened before him. As the barrier opened, Thea heard a flurry of discussion waft in. After listening to it for a few seconds, her mind was slightly put at ease.
[End of passage]
Comments
I fully agree with this. I’d rather she monologue during the entire fight and finish the fight just as she finishes the fight. I also think it’d make it more of a dominating fight since she was able to monologue while fighting him, rather than monologue while standing over him. Kind of a Death by a Thousand Cuts with monologue rather than a crippled person being tortured. I mean you can make it where it’s obvious she has won but is taking her time, slowly whittling him down. It would also make the torture parts more in line with the comment the Lt says, since she was torturing him while fighting rather than after crippling him. It would also show Thea as brutal but not overly cruel/savage.
SpaceGoddess76
2023-05-30 19:53:37 +0000 UTCI'm with the guys/gals above who felt that the addition was a bit forced, the monolog was just too long and the torture she lays out onto this guy would just take too long, lt. Eifang would have stepped in and stopped this long ago and it makes no sense for him or the ship to just watch while she tortures a dude. it also just doesn't mesh with her personality, she's a generally happy, mostly friendly girl who's nervous and socially shy but she's also a girl who killed two people when she was seven? Grown adults even? That's just a huge, huge stretch and pretty unrealistic, it's very hard to kill a person unless you have a gun, people don't just stand there and let you stab them, a seven year old is not like to be a killer and then grow up to be happy and friendly. I think the original beatdown she puts on alex was for the best. It was short and to the point, brutal but not bad enough to justify Alex trying to kill her, making him seem like the real bad guy in the end. In this version she honestly seems deranged and i dont think it's a good look at all
PyritePlunder
2023-05-30 17:08:40 +0000 UTCWhile it could be waved as 'false narrative', I do agree it should be more fragmented. It's not quite the same (physical vs mental trauma), I'd like to share how I, at around that age, remember taking a softball straight to the face and off an adult batter. My memories of it are like a slideshow. I remember stepping up the mound; then a single frame of the batter connecting (might be false); then slowly picking myself off the ground surrounded by people. My last vivid memory is fighting to stay awake as we drove back home. It was a decade later before I learned how bad falling asleep is after a TBI, but that memory is by far the clearest. For Thea's story, I would make it one attacker and play up a memory of the two girls weren't being as vigilant as normal before hand. Then the savage attack then the single frame is the knife in the kidney. Her body reverted to her training, but she couldn't remember moving or striking. Finish with justification and recovery as that's when your brain starts putting the pieces together to form a narrative. I hope this is informative. As for details of mine: It was a family reunion and some game where you rotate baseball positions? Still incredible stupidity to have a kid pitching to an adult.
Aguy768
2023-05-30 16:14:06 +0000 UTCReading through the other comments I have to agree with some of them. Her recollection of the first time she killed is far too clean and detailed for an even that happened a decade ago, and was likely traumatic at the time. Rather than remembering what they looked like, or details of what happened traumatic events tend to only be recalled as flashes and the broad strokes. She might remember how she got the knife that she used, or that she stabbed them in the kidneys, because those are the kind of details your mind latches onto as sort of compensation to ignore the rest, but she probably wouldn’t remember as many details as she gave. An example of that is the first proper fight I ever got into as a kid. I remember the start, but it’s all a blur after until I remember getting home. I literally don’t even know who I was fighting with, just that he was a big kid, and was super sweaty. Kinda a weird detail to latch onto when I can’t even remember if I knew him or now, but memories that are formed in encounters like that tend to be that way.
CringeWorthyStudios
2023-05-30 15:51:39 +0000 UTCI guess it could work if you rewrote the actual fight. Weave the story into the fight. So you start with the hamstringing and not the fast take down. Then a bit of monologue while she dodges his attacks. “You know I killed my first man when I was 7.” Take an eye, knife his groin. More monologue. And then you go for the beat down where she scream how dare you, you never starved etc etc while she smashes his face in the end. I guess telling a deeply personal story just doesnt work for me if she is in a rage. Either take him down coldly and bait him with the story, or beat his face in yelling “how dare you”
Haran
2023-05-30 15:45:42 +0000 UTC“With a fever in her eyes,” reads weirdly. Other than that it’s fine. I like the little details that her over the top reaction here affected her psych evaluation, it’s a nice bit of extra world building.
CringeWorthyStudios
2023-05-30 15:44:03 +0000 UTCI feel the personal story is too long, detailed and inappropriate. Why she killed the men can be skipped and instead she can just state she killed her first man at 7, what did he do when he was seven.
Haran
2023-05-30 15:40:47 +0000 UTCI just personally find it a really hard stretch they put someone with Katarinas psychological profile in a medic role were they will be surrounded by helpless people in pain if they at all care about psych evals enough to threaten someone with it. I just don’t like the optics, and find it cleaner if it’s not threatened now but possibly addressed separately.
Stuart Anderson
2023-05-30 14:38:42 +0000 UTCI like the personal story but it feels a bit forced and a tiny bit fake the sort of details she'll would remember are all inconsistent with what normal people would remember.It also comes across a bit boastful at the start stating how hard she is. The body type of the attackers, maybe there eyes and the pleasure the attackers got out of it, or maybe what they said to her. That type of trauma would literally scramble her memory especially at that age. She probably would remember more of the return home and how she was after. It's not a bad story but even with a perfect memory the most she would probably remember is who did it (again very generic), when it happened (that bits good), where it happened (that would be burned in her memory). She could have worked out why it happened after the fact, which feeds into what caused it (as you said drugs). The bit about Thea being pulled up about her going off the deep end and it potential affecting her psych Eval. That get tricky, if you change it it fixs problems with karania but it should be at least commented on, such as the LT saying it will be noted for the future. If you keep the bit about it affecting her then you have a potential problem with karania as she would quite literally fail out of the military, due to being psychopath who get off on pain. Even with author powers she would be a problem. It's your story, but in irl any member of the military who shows those traits would fail as soon as it was flagged due to the fact that they are such a massive risk to every solder around them if they lost control they could go on a killing spree on there own side. she would probably end up at best on the back lines way away from any risk of karania getting lost in her lust, which they can monitor.
Samuel Arbon
2023-05-30 14:30:40 +0000 UTCI really enjoy your story! But i can't really connect with Thea in this monologue (normaly i just ignore and skip over them, but you asked for feedback ;-). If I where overflowing with rage, I would try to be as brutal as possible and inflict as much damage as I can. Thea on the otherhand while overflowing with rage slowly tortures Alex and beginns to tell him her emotional upbringing. To me that sounds more like the actions of a coldblooded psychpath. (Also sentences like "a young girl, similar age to me, if I remember correctly ..." To me thea talkes like she has all the time in world and has not just been in a virtual fight for life and death. Her thought process is all over the place! And why is she trying so hard to make Alex understand?? He is a low-tier "nothing" who is most likely simply out of her league. Does she really need him to understand that her current position is justified?? If she just want to inflict psychological damage to him, i feel like she could have done more with much less explaining.) In my opinion you should fully commit to one or the other! Either raging, emotional unstable, messy, brutal Thea or "100% emotional controlled", stone-cold psychopath Thea. But maybe other people like it the way it is and it's just not my cup of tea :-).
L. Rattay
2023-05-30 14:21:08 +0000 UTCThis does make a good point. It'd be more like "her overflowing rage grew too much, and condensed down to a sharper, colder hate" or the like?
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 14:03:19 +0000 UTCThe extra part feels like a shift in emotional state for Thea. To me it feels like shes more in that icecold calm rage instead of the overboiling instinctual rage from before. The story she tells doesn't feel like something someone would tell if they are "Unable to hold back her overflowing rage".
Ninta Silverwind
2023-05-30 13:47:31 +0000 UTCStarting after "you don’t even understand where you’re going wrong, when your friend forcefully rubs your stupid fucking face into it." up until the "How dare you" part.
Ninta Silverwind
2023-05-30 13:46:58 +0000 UTCdifference being Karania gets off on the pain, but she keeps it under control. Thea... didn't. The lack of control is the issue, not the desire/interest/pleasure/whatever.
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 13:39:10 +0000 UTCOh I think it absolutely should, but if your going to draw attention to it and threaten Thea with it and then throw Karania in straight afterwards, then to me it make the world inconsistent. If it must be part of the story I’d have it be brought up as part of a 1-2-1 session.
Stuart Anderson
2023-05-30 13:23:32 +0000 UTCMuch better imo. I think Alex's and Thea's reactions to her actions fit much better. I think the added story is also a good reminder of how grimdark Thea's world is supposed to be.
Trasen56
2023-05-30 13:05:57 +0000 UTCI think maybe it was the knife to Alex's balls that dropped her psych eval.
Trasen56
2023-05-30 13:04:19 +0000 UTCThea actually tortured him this time.
Trasen56
2023-05-30 13:02:46 +0000 UTCAlso, the Lt. hasn't seen the repeated insults from multiple people over multiple different occasions. Being able to not lash out until literally fighting to the death with one of the worst offenders, honestly, shouldn't be too much of a hit to her psyche evaluation when aggregated, and the AI should know that.
Kyfe
2023-05-30 13:01:47 +0000 UTCI thought this was a bit more brutal and fit Eifang's criticism better. I would say that there wasn't enough of a reaction on Alex's part. Especially when being stabbed in the groin. That should have been enough for him to be raving mad.
The Lost Pages
2023-05-30 13:01:17 +0000 UTCI like the addition of the personal story, and the added brutality makes the reprimand much more deserving. Only thing I don’t like is the mention of effecting her psych-eval, mostly because in future chapters you’ll introduce Karania’s psyche and it makes it seem that psych-evals mean jack shit.
Stuart Anderson
2023-05-30 12:50:20 +0000 UTCThat's generally how I used it here, Jon. A combination of both the "inferior/backwater" type, while also using it for "brutal" later on. I changed it a bit in the final-final-for-real-this-time.pdf (v2)
LunaWolve
2023-05-30 12:34:48 +0000 UTCBut "savages" has that connotation of "inferior/lesser". You can be savage without being a savage and you can be a savage without being savage (indigenous peoples were often referred to as savages even when peaceful). Wild/not-civilized/barbaric meaning of savage as opposed to the vicious/merciless/brutal meaning.
Jon
2023-05-30 12:33:17 +0000 UTCIf you felt no difference and you enjoyed both, I think that's a positive for sure. Pretty much everything starting from "Unable, or maybe unwilling, to hold back her overflowing rage..." until “So... I ask you, Alex. One last time: How dare you? How dare you question my sacrifices in getting here?” is new.
LunaWolve
2023-05-30 12:33:12 +0000 UTCThea's story of the first time she killed someone wasn't in the original version of the chapter.
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 12:32:30 +0000 UTCI missed what was different. I'd have to do a side-by-side, but it felt mostly the same to me. I like the first go at it, and I like the second just as much. I guess, go you author?
Freedcats
2023-05-30 12:30:59 +0000 UTCagreed. Savage is never mentioned, and I'm not sure Thea doesn't think she's savage to at least some extent. Its the whole superior thing that Thea seems to disagree with, and which Alex seems to be assuming.
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 12:28:33 +0000 UTCI like the personal story from thea, but I'm still a bit offed by lt Eifang's assumption that this was her trying to prove that they *aren't* savages.
puppy0cam
2023-05-30 12:24:13 +0000 UTCAdding in the bit of history certainly gives more depth and reason as to why she lost control this time after all the taunting. It wasn't just a case of "hard luck life" that they were wrong about, but actual trauma.
Jon
2023-05-30 12:24:09 +0000 UTCThis is just the patreon notice to remind you all of what happened in the chapter, this won't show up on RR lol Focus on the actual chapter, instead xD
LunaWolve
2023-05-30 12:21:56 +0000 UTCI get it, but think the wording could be cleaned up to make that clear. Right now it does read like the knives in his armpit are scraping his kidney and liver.
Jake
2023-05-30 12:21:13 +0000 UTCAh, yeah that makes sense.
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 12:19:21 +0000 UTC“If I ever see you needlessly prolong the sufferingor outright torture of a fellow prolong the suffering or outright
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 12:17:01 +0000 UTCThat's why there's 4 knives. Remember? That's the fight Thea picked 2 extra knives for.
LunaWolve
2023-05-30 12:14:41 +0000 UTC[The fight is finished, Alex is laying on the floor, knives inside his armpits, scraping his kidney and liver.] - so first things first. If there are knives in his armpits. They certainly aren't scraping his kidney and liver.
Critical Hit
2023-05-30 12:12:16 +0000 UTC