Luigi Mangione (Premium E271)

Liv Agar

Ada

Liv Agar!

Cuno Balfoort

I guess this is too 😆

Spliffy

Jake Rockatansky

conan

and wtf with attacking JM? people can’t express an opinion? this comment string worries me more than any content on the pod.

Tivans

awesome ep - first listened to it while falling asleep and had horrible nightmares so only coming back to it now - and finding Julien created a wonderfully crafted ep raising great issues minus the ‘haughty reproach’ from minute 49. Got to look in the mirror every now and then - sorry Liv love you so much but whats a leftist fascist called? Or is that just youthful hubris? theres a suprisingly permeable boundary between a latvian red rifleman and a perceptive dude that you meet in the wagon wheel (as there is between a bernie supporter gone maga) . thanks travis for bringing the data…

Tivans

Recently listening to old episodes of Blocked Party, I learned that my previous reply is an example of "Dutch posting" which I find very funny because I'm half Dutch. My bad

Spliffy

lmao. Pathetic.

Jon

Liv Agar

Queeriam

J M My heart goes out to you, your frustration is something I certainly feel during episodes like this. I respect your willingness to stick your neck out and say it, even if it is a thankless exercise as the counter comments show.

Mac-something

The fact that Karen Friedman Agnifilo used to run the Manhattan DA’s office means she knows how they think and that she’ll handle herself professionally.

Manina Harris

I’m not sure I’m understanding what you mean? (no offense intended) …by definition, good journalistic practice means that one checks bias or personal opinions at the door. Sure, unconscious bias exists … but it could as easily be a Conservative journalist with one lol America has been a Liberal Democracy for a long time (like Canada) as well as capitalist, especially after the Civil Rights era. News reflected that, so is that a bias? News also reflects a newer Authoritarian leaning under Trump… it’s just reflecting fact. Also people say “elites” but I have no idea what they mean. To me its someone like Elon Musk, not ordinary journalists just scrapping by. Imho an education beyond the ability to “Google search” doesn’t make one elite. So what does “elites” mean to you? 🙂

C’mon

Oh for sure. If you’re very likely going to be killed or imprisoned for life by the government, you should have fun with it on your way out.

No Relation to Henry

At that point why the fuck not.

Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping

Look, if I was a planning a crime like this I absolutely would build in wacko numerology stuff.

Lydia

Yes, calling some bits "opinion" makes the other bits seem like they're neutral. That doesn't make those parts free from ideology. And yes, everyone has an ideology, but not everyone gets cushy jobs and bonuses and pats on the head from Rupert Murdoch for saying the right thing; still fewer of us are motivated ideologically to create a whole lot of smoke and mirrors to hide their own connections to power and money. That's what capturing means. It's not a simple accusation of bias, it's an understanding that the bias of polite liberal commentators comes from their social and economic position.

Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping

To say that mainstream media is “ideologically captured” is itself an ideology, right? I agree that Corporate Media isn’t free press in its purest sense, however most aren’t pushing ideology, just reporting events, (unless it’s an Opinion piece). Some straight up lie, like pretending a fully vetted election was “stolen”… most wont. I’m probably preaching to the choir here, but when Sesame Street is banned for “promoting left wing ideology”… it’s pretty nuts lol

C’mon

Liv Agar

Phil R.

For real! And because people don’t “see” the injury, like they see a black eye or something… people tend to think people are “faking it”… sadly, they usually aren’t.

C’mon

That isn't at all what you said, your first post was that they don't listen to others' opinions. 1. Pretty sure we all have to listen to the opinions of the liberal morality police literally all of the fucking time, unless we want to listen to fascists 2. Disagreeing with a political class in fundamental ways is not the same as not listening to them, again, we have to fucking listen, liberal moralism is unavoidable Assuming you actually meant to comment about ideological capturing and weren't just shifting the goal, What the fuck are you on about. Who has ideologically captured the QAA hosts? What nation state or industry sector or political power base are they kissing the ass of? You even heard them in this literal episode saying shit that routinely gets people fired & demonetized etc. Whomst indeed are the hosts beholden to?? What shadowy entities are making them say what they're told to or implicitly conditioning them to take one side or another? Is it We, the Patreons? But wait!--you yourself are one of them, you pay them for their content and they don't give a flying fuck so again, what the fuck are you on about?

Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping

I feel like it’s liberal bait, especially if it was coming from a debate me bro who wanted to gotcha you on being some ivory tower intellectual. But Jesus man, this guy doesn’t know the difference between modernism and postmodernism. Like, do you know under what movement architecture in Russia became radically more human-centered? (Ignoring ‘incrementalist’ changes to reorient modernist apartment estates into more town-square style dwellings in Soviet states across the 80s). It starts with a p and ends ostmodernism.

Alex Anderson

This is the one pod where I find giggly, unedited rambling kind of adorable. In other pods when the hosts descend into memes/improv/anecdotes about rehab & bongs I skip forward. But if I'm listening to QAA things are already somewhat melted so 🤷

Bald Weasels Scrotal Manscaping

Liv agar

Alex Anderson

Liv Agar

Ian Price

I can get my weekly pellet of Virtue from listening to you guys? Cool. Lol Great discussion! I actually know THE guy who invented the Pocket Pussy in the 80s. He called it “the Pussy Pager” His name is Greg Wright, his company is called Wright Thinking, he lives in Sherman Oaks. He has detailed electronic designs on how it would work. He also won a Philip Morris award for stop animation, like the one used for Peter Gabriel’s MTV version of Sledgehammer.

C’mon

Me too! I want it to be my new catch phrase!

Leslie Brooker

I don’t hate Julian but I feel like every time he’s missing the podcast gets a lot more focused and has the tightest episodes

Andrew Lenahan

The fact that Luigi’s lawyer is married to Diddy’s lawyer means this circus is gonna be exhausting

Corey

Starting to feel like class consciousness sparking any real change in America is our lefty version of the great awakening. I worry it’s equally delusional.

Jose Chung

If you were looking for an in-depth, good-faith discussion of your take on here, you could have worded your original comment less prickishly.

Spliffy

You can choose Luigi in any level.

Daniel Greene

They aren’t “ideologically captured.” The term doesn’t really apply to like an individual person with an ideology. The mainstream American media is ideologically captured in the sense that only certain ideologies are allowed to flourish. It limits the ideas people allow themselves to entertain, and it’s obvious some people get confused and angry when they encounter ideas outside of that range.

No Relation to Henry

Listen, I need Jake's Luigi takes

Goblet

Agree entirely. Maybe this comes off as doomerish, but hand-wringing over rhe morality of what Mangione did feels like hand-wringing over the morality of a forest fire. If the ruling class wanted to avoid the consequences of climate change, they had their chance, and the same goes for avoiding the social unrest and violence of hyper-capitalist dehumanization. We're living in pure cause and effect at this point, and what Mangione did isn't any uglier than any of the rest of it. Much less so, I'd argue, since it feels like the equivalent of a wildfire that only burns down one house, where an oil company executive lives alone.

Peter Aidan Byrne

Okay. I bite. This is the sample that made me fork over $5 bucks. (Keep up the great work, guys, we need you now more than ever)

Eedee

Wow I have been listening to the QAA podcast for years and I barely noticed lol you’re a dumbass Karl

J M

incredibly funny to make this about self awareness when you have only just now noticed what podcast you're listening to

Karl Childers

I wasn’t criticizing their criticism of liberalism. I’m criticizing their lack of self awareness. Calling people ideologically captured while being ideologically captured is just dumb. I agree with some of the things Liv and Julian say and actually appreciate hearing opinions that differ from mine. I’ve supported QAA for years and some disagreement isn’t going to make me stop listening.

J M

This isn't Pod Save America. I don't understand how a regular listener of QAA can be so mystified by criticism of liberal ideology.

Dylan Neptune

Go fuck yourself, it’s funny how you all claim to be for the working class and change, but the second someone doesn’t agree with you, you tell them to go away lol enjoy your echo chamber

J M

go back to NYT bitch, today's headline: "Inattentive Subscriber Finally Realizes What Podcast They're Listening To"

Karl Childers

Liv and Julian’s takes are just horrible. This whole, I’m smart, you’re dumb tankie stuff is tiring. This straw man of liberals they’ve created is cringe. Accusing others of not being able to listen to opposing opinions while bashing the NYT for not giving your opinion shows a lack of self awareness. I love this podcast, but I didn’t sign up for Chapo Trap House.

J M

Chronic back pain could drive a person to do anything!

Geraldine Kawabe

Don't we all need that, really?

Geraldine Kawabe

Av Ligar

Jordan Clementi

Good ideas! In Bed With The Right has a good ep on tradwives. Maybe Annie will take some on of these topics when her/the world’s greatest baby allows. 🍀

Lindsay

Liv Agar

JBol

Liv Agar

Fridfood

this is an all-time top 5 episode 👏🏻 (also liv agar)

steaknap

Liv Agar

Bryce Laughlin

Liv Agar

Adam Pickering

I agree I want to send it to people

MifsudZ

Liv Agar

sablav

Love these unabashed commie episodes. Julian be channeling some Matt Christman in this one. Also, Liv Agar.

Sami

You guys should make this episode free. One of your best.

Hunter Korpi

Great ep. Especially pleased and surprised by all the shout-outs to the FLN's liberation struggle, as I listened to this whilst I was literally bopping around Algiers.

Phil Hostak

I have probably a similar condition to Luigi and have had the whole spinal fusion and am up for a revision in a few weeks. I thank fuck for Australian health care. It’s not perfect but I can get the care I need and it won’t bankrupt me.

Prue

Fuck you, hank. What a miserable community. Tone police on the beat!

Kate

Liv saying that we love Luigi because he’s handsome and that the Trump shooter being all dead and bloody gave her the ick just sent me.

Meb Sichael

Please unlock this one it’d bring people to the podcast

Alex O'Keefe

Christman is 👑

Schwartz666

Inspector Tommy Numbers on the case!

Stevethreeb

Liv Agar

Artemis1312

Julian has definitely seen the cushvlogs

pq

This might be my favorite episode ever and the one where I agree with JF the most. I think always about what pressed the population to the point of revolution in Russia and in China and its just so INEVITABLE. I love the way you described the “end of stalemate” and stuff finally happening. Because of course we aren’t going to know how the oppression is going to come to consequence, but the consequences ARE inevitable. I don’t condone violence but I don’t NOT condone violence either. I mean this dude is willing to go to jail and face the legal consequences for premeditated murder. We have legal consequences for premeditated murder because people commit premeditated murder - and usually for much stupider reasons. So I mean what can I say? I don’t know what’s going to happen. It makes me think of that scene where Christian Bale (as a 12 year old) is slapped in the face by the Chinese housekeeper in Empire of the Sun. And I guess Steven Spielberg maybe wanted the audience to feel like “aw”. But I felt like “Man I bet that felt great for her.” Society cant just keep being a massive asshole without getting fucked sometimes. I think that’s from Thunderbirds. I have no original ideas. But So yeah. Great episode. Thanks

Claire Hofbauer

I just need you to know that a true crime podcast let me to qaa. I'm honestly not sure which is worse for my mental health at this time, but I'm so glad I'm here.

Emmyghoul

My favorite Ted K moment was that he befriended Tim McVeigh in prison despite Tim's liberal mindset.

Kyle Huckins

Is Julian trying to do a "Travis"?

Ryan Post

Gah. Tradwives. 😑

Justine Riekena

"Go read the New York Times, fucking bitch" is the best line I've ever heard Liv say. I laughed out loud. Love the episode, glad to be a supporter

Randy Mcniven

Don't let the door smack your arse on the way out.

Hank

Only other one I've seen such fervour to be unlocked was the structural antisemitism episode. It's these episodes that I feel are genuine watershed moments that some people who don't pay for patreon need to hear.

Hank

@Kate, Take your snarky comment and shove it up your arse. Pontificating on a brain injury diminishes the fact the US healthcare insurance industry has systematically bankrupted so many or left them in such debilitating states they can't function properly in this society. What a tone death comment.

Hank

The crazy thing that happened after the United CEO's murder was the retraction of that policy. It goes to show that healthcare companies are reliant on the quashed spirit of the public to lay down and accept such bold robbery of their hard earned money. It genuinely sickens me that killing a CEO appears to be the only way to enact genuine reversal of such inhumane policies. However, the cynic in me understands that their announcement will merely be a temporary PR measure; they will reinstitute this, the shareholders will demand another avenue for dividends.

Hank

Such a haunting yet beautifully composed quote. I recently read about Engels concept of social murder and it feels like a great preface to his musings on the topic.

Hank

I'm surprised there was no discussion of the doubts that Mangione was framed? It was pretty common in my circles and seemed like something you would at least comment on

Spartacus

As a teacher of history your stance on violence mirrors my own. This episode was refreshing and made me glad I finally started paying for patreon. Thank you for the work you do.

Rad Teacher

Liv Agar

Olivia Hamlett

Thanks for always talking about Palestine, Julian

M J

They did an ep on Peter Thiel—looks like premium episode 151

Megan

Julian’s time to shine. Really good stuff thank you for this episode.

Jacklyn C

I understand that you are an asshole. Go fuck yourself.

Kate

I wonder what the overlap is of people who have a favorable view of Luigi Mangione and also think Daniel Penny straight up murdering a mentally ill homeless person was justified.

E Lyons

Idk if you all know this but I think the other podcast players that load RSS have stopped this episode from being played. I use YouTube music for it's RSS feature and this episode won't play anymore.

Nick Triantos

Ok checked him out, most recent post was a relatively normal one about how the drones are the Biden administration preparing to disrupt the inauguration, but scroll down a couple and he's calling Black people race grifters and Tamir Rice had it coming actually, headlined with a quote from Aimee Terese goddamn

Bobby Volcano

Tucker Carlson accidentally agreeing with Oscar Wilde while thinking Thomas Kinkade was a great artist probably

E Lyons

I kind of feel like Julian needs his own pod where he just yells and calls people idiots, and discloses tragic facts about his personal life and mental health. It can be titled, "We're So Cooked".

Cris Cosey

You say yourself that comparing Mangione to the FLN etc is false. So why bring it up? As a leftist, the question when violence is justified should maybe be discussed with less broad strokes. Eg. We all hate landlords - killing them at random will achieve exactly nothing. I understand wanting to react against ridiculous mainstream coverage but this ends up just wanting to be edgy

Lindymizer

Please take the Internet away from people... Their brains have become mush with all their searching for patterns.

Andew Zamora

Liv agar

Damon Horn

Oh god I would love one on Ballerina Farm

sneep

inshallah we will all embrace allah’s light

Lioness

Not even all the way through but this is some of the best leftists analysis I’ve heard yet of the killing and the reactions from the public and the elite. I’m in a very Dem/Lib area of California where to mention that violence can be politically effective is taboo, and I’ve been seeing this event wake some people up to the fact that IT IS EFFECTIVE. Clearly none of us are calling for any specific violence, but as Julian and Liv are saying (and I say to anyone around who’ll listen) this is a historical inevitability when all avenues of nonviolent reform or impact on the system(s) have been closed. No “release valve” for intolerable conditions historically results in violent reactionary and/or revolutionary acts, period. If anyone doubts these historical dynamics, I’d point you to the Revolutions podcast series by Mike Duncan for an overview and written references.

Artemis1312

Yeah, the New Urbanists stumbled into the idea that to be successful at getting 15 minute neighborhoods built you have to make the houses look old-timey and sell people on the retvrn aesthetic instead of "we're taking away your cars". Same here with Kunstler, yeah by now his stuff's gotta be completely insane. Actually come to think of it, maybe he's baked enough by now to be part of a special built environment QAA ep? He used to do the "eyesore of the week" of shitty buildings which is kind of what QAA is for cranks like him lol.

Bobby Volcano

Behind the Bastards did a series on Thiel

Andrew Lenahan

Did you misunderstand the episode that much? There’s a reason he committed a violent act.

Kai Robert meadows

I can't believe you've done this

'Mech Bae

Great ep! Julian’s lefty passion is inspiring and hilarious in equal parts

Nicholas Maher

Great episode! I do think the reading group Luigi was a member of disbanding over reading Ted K is an interesting piece of info. Appears to be why he posted that review in the first place.

Leyland

Life Finds A Way

Shivvy

Wowzers. A fucking good episode.

John Brandkamp

Oh yeah Kunstler, i used to love him too and followed his blog in the earlier 2000’s until it became obvious he was (for whatever dumb reason) completely homophobic and allowed comments from unhinged racists. Haven’t checked in on him in at least a decade and kinda scared to, lol. It’s a pity because GoN was so good, or at least i remember it as very smart and trenchant. And i feel it had a positive influence in the turn towards things like Yimbyism and (gasp) “15 minute cities”. Which (whole other tangent) it makes zero sense for conservative weirdos to hate since walkable cities could very plausibly be called *traditionalist*.

Daniel Reed Miller

Liv agar

E

I remembered this afternoon James Howard Kunstler went full rightwing kook a while back and so I'm baking a scenario where Tucker actually is just now getting around to reading Geography of Nowhere because someone told him Kunstler is "one of us". It's been 25 years since I read GoN but no doubt there are some explicit anticommunist vibes from Kunstler in there like classic 90's Glen Greenwald

Bobby Volcano

Just to echo a couple other commenters, this episode should be unlocked for the main/public feed. It’s the best Luigi pod episode out there.

Daniel Reed Miller

I agree, they should open this to the public feed. Best Luigi pod episode of any i’ve heard.

Daniel Reed Miller

I think his writing will get better if he finds Allah in prison

Grease Witherspoon

I know, it brought to mind Christopher Alexander for me too (i have his classic trilogy) but is so contradictory from someone who otherwise stans for both capitalism and Russia.

Daniel Reed Miller

Darth Livagar

Watson

Can y’all do an ep on ballerina farm, the raw milk, app to track your cycle, Peter theil, trad wives, etc

ree de la vega

He’s not the hero we deserve but the hero we need, like Batman

Dani Moor

Liv Laugh Love Agar

MCL

I know this is a really self-centred & myopic take, but I have to go to battle (again) over reimbursement for a year's worth of PT & SLPT. (Many PTs & SLPs aren't billing insurance anymore b/c they don't ever get paid.) We've hemorrhaged so much cash w/o repayment (& our insurance is far from the worst). My hope is that Luigi's act, folly or not, might lessen my fight & make the resistance to coverage just a fraction less oppositional. On the larger scale, I hope it does the same for many, many others. Maybe I am utterly naïve or blindly optimistic, but I want this act to render us some reuslts, some relief, because the suffering is real. So real & so widespread.

Justine Riekena

Perfect.

Justine Riekena

Ooof. Great quote. Thanks for sharing.

ohwowokay

I'm a basic bitch who doesn't read much but a book I did read was Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee etc. The passage that never left my brain from that book is: "THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

David Lesser

So weird to hear some turbonormie take on Japan since usually it’s weeb heaven. He has ZERO idea about Shinto/Buddhism and how the Japanese interact with their culture and nature. Collectivist cultures don’t give two flying farts about his ‘muh individuality’. Also: Liv Agar

Laura Walsh

Liv Agar!

Mikey H

Liv Agar!!!

Jamie Fritz

I was hoping to get a starship trooper quote. Sounds like y’all agree with heinlein a bit more these days.

Round the world

Liv Agar? More like Love Agar.

Anna Cat

Julian was spitting this episode

Cthulhusbedandbreakfast

I came here specifically for this quote lol

Cthulhusbedandbreakfast

Have fun reading the New York Times! 😘😘😘

Samantha Miller

Liv Agar

Kierra Miller

Teddy Kaz

sneep

Also: Mashallah, for He smiles upon brother Mangione, as is written in the Quoran.

Jordan Clementi

As far as activating Liv. Julian kind of mushed his words and it sounded more like Liv was a Manchurian Canada than Manchurian candidate which seems apt. Also - Liv Agar

Tad Dolphay

Julian: don't stop, I'm so close.

Jordan Clementi

Liv Agar

MitchyWitchy

Want to hear Julian continue his thoughts on Hinckley

Mark K

I had someone say to me "well it's not the CEOs fault, if he didn't do it, someone else would" and it made me so mad. These systems do not function by themselves, they are not a force of nature like gravity. The purpose of a system is what it does, and what this system does is obfuscate the social murder of the many so that the few can be powerful.

Noblesse Oblahaj

Julian’s bit on being pro-violence made me think of this bit I used to do to where I’d be pro-abortion. Not pro-choice, I’m out here trying to increase the number of abortions. My gf just loves getting abortions. Sometimes she’ll wait until she’s like 8 months pregnant bc the morning sickness is worth it just to kill a baby. I live in the Midwest so I’m forced to spend a lot of time around talking farm animals.

Jack Gude

I likes that he did the thing. I also liked that he read a Matty Yg book and said it was deeply stupid and ideologically vacant, or close to that

Noblesse Oblahaj

Tucker Carlson doing a fucked up Christopher Alexander impression is a real bummer. You can hate shitty architecture and urban design without being a retvrn guy

Bobby Volcano

I’m doing my part! 🫡

sneep

so fucking true lol: A trad’s politics are as crude as “it was better back then” & these are the same people who ironically support a system that keeps accelerating them further beyond what they apparently value about “back then”

obvious midnight

Great episode! Thank you.

Moira

Ted K

CatDaDdyWeldZ

Well put. Physical, interpersonal violence is bad, but it's not *uniquely* bad, among all the other ways people can be harmed, and are harmed every day. Either we have the right to defend ourselves from harm or we don't, and if that right ends at individual violence done by non-institutional actors, then we don't, not really.

Peter Aidan Byrne

I'm about 2/3rds through the episode and Liv just made a throwaway comment that has broken my brain. There was *really* a provider that was planning to start not pay for anaesthetics midway through an operation depending on how long it went on? That's just an insane thing to hear. I can't imagine my reaction if I got a letter in the post and fucking read that.

Wallace E. Ponk

Off to read the New York Times!! (FCKNBITCH)

Michelle HarpiNope

GO READ THE NEW YORK TIMES YOU FUCKING BITCH = ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Michelle HarpiNope

in super Mario bros. 2 on level 28, you play as Luigi

Riley Hall

I wonder if he had a brain injury during his surfing accident. They can bring a loss executive function and withdrawal from relationships. TBI and violence go hand in hand.

Kate

Yeah, as "I'm cancelling my subscription" comments go, the reaction to this episode seems pretty tame so far honestly.

Peter Aidan Byrne

PSYOPERATIONS

Benji R.

The French would still ve in Algeria if they had unlimited american protection and support. Rhodesia and the Portuguese settlers in Africa would be too . The nytimes journalists who cover israel have children who volunteer to join an army of occupation. They aren't objective and cnn is even worse. They submit all their gaza coverage to a military censor.....

Ruth Kiszka

Live is such a nice person. Luigi is a loser

Ruth Kiszka

Right? God I wish I had the cojones to say any of this to my wealthy sister/BIL

Jennifer Cunningham

“Go read the New York Times. You fucking bitch.” Love you Liv

Jennifer Cunningham

Liv - "Go read the New York Times, bitch." The. Best.

Jay Dougherty

Julian, your opening monologue made me cry, maybe because I am still crying over the tragic reality that if Luigi had instead murdered my innocent child at his desk in school, he’d be getting a lesser charge, but still. You all are right about everything in this episode. They hate us, they hate us so much, and they want to shame us for simply hating them back.

Samantha Miller

The only negative aspect of this episode is it being restricted to the Premium Feed. Travis could've been in a better state of health, but that's "nature". Get better Mr T.

Josep C.

Look Human is now selling "In This House Luigi Mangione is a Hero" shirts. Shocking no one.

Domhildr

liv agar

ev

Julian is 1000000% correct re Palestinian resistance.

Isaac Suárez

I mean, that’s like one comment. I see one person in every episode’s comments saying that

Andrew Lenahan

Was there not any decoy theories being spun out there?

ROU Sentient Lichen

I feel like I see this comment on every premium episode tbh

Andrew Lenahan

I hope Julian and you all feel some catharsis. It’s refreshing to hear my indignant screams screamed back at me.

Robert Hostert

"The overall impact of mental illness as a factor in the violence that occurs in society as a whole appears to be overemphasized, possibly intensifying the stigma already surrounding psychiatric disorders. Violence and mental illness are not without connection, however, as they share many biologic and psychosocial aspects." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2686644/#:~:text=Steadman's%20prospective%20study9%20on,patients%20with%20comorbid%20substance%20abuse.

ROU Sentient Lichen

Brutalism is modernist

Ben Thelen

Mental "ill" people are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. To claim that mental illness is a part of this is obscurantism and just wrong, as Mangione has not been diagnosed with any mental disorder. Sure he could be experiencing depression, but that is not the same thing as Major Depressive Disorder.

ROU Sentient Lichen

Liv Mangione

ROU Sentient Lichen

“Go read the New York Times, you fucking bitch” needs to go on merch.

Johanna Hatch

Jules said nothing wrong

Fuzzert

PREACH Julian! This is an episode that everyone needs to hear.

CHACHOO

*my internal dialogue* "But how can I relate this criticism of capitalism to Ghostbusters or the Alien franchise?"

Dana Glaukopis

Mark Twain, writing on the French Revolution: "There were two 'Reigns of Terror,' if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the 'horrors' of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."

Karl Childers

This has to be unlocked, it's so good

Jordon Pat

IMO The real cause of this killing was the passivity of the American people. Americans have for too long let the rich and powerful get away with kicking them around, which encourages their tormentors to kick them more. It's a kind of prey/preditor situation: the more prey acts like prey, the more the preditor acts like preditor. This situation has gotten so bad that now the (some) average pisan is forced to fight back with violence. Americans should have fought back far sooner using nonviolence means, then maybe this murder wouldn't have happened.

bigphoton

Liv Agar Because we love her

Brent

Liv Agar

batlock666

I work in medical billing and HOLLERED when I heard the lady bring up the 286 code. I felt so much relief when yall pointed out that it was a timely filing denial.

Ellen Wilson

You right now

Sebastian Pickett

great ep we love u Julian and Liv (and everyone else too obviously )

Hannah Blumenfeld

Why not listen first to see what they offer before making assumptions? Genuine question bc I find lots of people comment right away before they even listen.

Mel Black

Julian you have nothing to apologize for an I am in fact kissing you on the lips in an Italian manner for your correct opinions

Amy

Excellent episode, lovely to see people in the comments saying they’re unsubscribing. If ya can’t handle the heat of a pretty tame podcast (that I do love dearly, tbf) then see ya later! Ted K should obviously not ever be valorised. I don’t even think Luigi should necessarily be valorised. But, to quote Monty Python and the Holy Grail (of all things): “come see the violence inherent in the system!” How we continue to accept such a manifestly unjust system without meaningfully challenging its hegemonic institutions is beyond me.

Daire Boyle

but pleeeeeeez think of my totally genuine concern for the hostagessssah, pleeeeeez, the arabs are being brown and savagessssss. WE are so goooood.

SM21

what's a more grounded discussion of violence than comparative, historical, reference to established analysis of decolonization in the African continent? I guess history of european whites killing each other ?

SM21

pobrecito :(

SM21

Julian: thank you for putting to words my feeling on how much Luigi is both a result of systemic policy in place and an accelerant of the blowback from anti-leftist cultural contexts NOT a justification for anti-leftist.

Matty C

This episode reached my limit. Just cancelled.

Alan Thomason

Read literally any mainstream publication or tune into CNN for 5 minutes

Matty C

Andrew Lenahan

Julian ILYSM

Heather B

Luigi, the anti-pocket pussy paisan

TravisPewPewPew

Incredible episode. One of the best.

Donna Palermino

I identify with Travis’ silence.

Mac-something

286. BHF. BHF. B. BRIAN. BRIAN THOMPSON. BRAIN. BRAVE. H. HEALTHCARE. HONOR. HATE. HEAVEN. HELL. F. FREEDOM. FAIRNESS. FINANCE. BRIAN HATES FAIRNESS. BRIAN HAS FINANCES. BRAVERY HONOR FREEDOM. BAD HEALTHCARE FUCKIT. BuaHahahaaff

Andrew Fortson

Did anyone else notice the smooth "pokemon go" slipped in by Liv at 55:53?

Nils Jongejan

We can still be happy tho! I know it!

Lain of the Wired

Nah we're gonna end up as the horrible flesh monsters from scorn, sorry :c

Lain of the Wired

Did some digging and the last 3 numbers of the UPC for that specific back are, you guessed it, 286. Also 1 hour and 25 minutes later and I still don’t know what his relation to Chuck Mangione is.

Kranium Kracka

Damn this cold open is amazing.

Mikael Sanchez

I don't know about Tarkov spine but I'm worried I might develop Tug-off spine.

Paul Farra

I did not have mention of pocket pussies on my Luigi bingo card.

Megan Muse

Basically... is violence good? No. That's why the working class should never let the ruling class get the idea that they should go off searching for how far they can take oppression before things get violent beyond their ability to suppress it. Was the violence of the Algerian independence movement, for example, good? If one says no, why does the blame for this violence fall upon the independence movement itself, and none on the people who said "they can't beat us, so why should we worry what they do in response to this?". These movements arose and fought in response to an implicit "Bring it on". I've seen some bad lib readings of world politics suggest that this event is uniquely American because of the violence of it. No, what's uniquely American about it is how long their capitalists have been prodding the body politic, searching for where they meet resistance, and never finding it. The French don't hold on to things like 5 weeks of vacation in exchange for good behaviour and pacifism. They get it because everyone knows what happens if they try to take even half a day from that. Instant chaos from the whole of society.

Derick Gadd

this is one of the best episodes! funny cause I clearly remember julian’s reaction to that liberal lady saying that that guy shouldn’t have missed

Lula Gama

I hope we get to go into the Matrix instead of all becoming part of some kinda big Robocop

nownotmyrealname

https://files.libcom.org/files/Capitalism_ex-dummies_web.pdf

nownotmyrealname

Liv Agar

Sebastian Pickett

I feel like there's a day-go_es_by bit here

Mantis Man

Julian said nothing wrong, and in fact I would not enjoy any of my present comfort without past violence (chattel slavery: bad, and resistance to same: good)

Shivvy

Yeah, it does happen.

bigphoton

unforutunatly that training and conditioning makes it easier for that switch to flip unconsciously

Lain of the Wired

It's been my experience that all of us have a switch in us. When off we are civilized, rationale, peaceful creatures. But when pushed hard enough that switch clicks on and people are capable of anything. The amount of pressure to activate that switch varies among individuals. Some switches take a lot of pressure, some very little. Everyone has that switch, even the most timid. Among most people the switch works unconsciously: they can't activate the switch themselves. It just happens. But some, through natural ability or training ( such as soldiers, cops etc) manual control can be trained in. Looks like Luigi's switch is working.

bigphoton

After the "do you not understand what capitslism is?" I started wondering if I myself really inderstand it. Is there a "capitalism for dummies"

Ruth Laila Steffensen

HBD 🤌

Shivvy

I was like 'does he want a house that's a 💩'

Suzie B

Julian, fucking preach on.

mysticwerebadger

Be the change you want to see in the world

Jacob King

You’re never in trouble for speaking against Zionism, Julian. Just stinky libs around

yap_that_fool

pretty sure the thing he hates vis-a-vis architecture is capitalism

Shivvy

I promise I have made things with my hands that look like shit

Shivvy

Listening to Tucker talk about art makes me want to [Julian BEEP]

Shivvy

Livigi Magarione

Noah

my crank belief is that ultimately the conservative project will result in like a scorn-like eusocial biomechanical nightmare. and while I do think some kinda freaky eusociality will develop like on a long enough timescale I think the choice is whether we get to be happy or miserable but this is also probably a schizophrenia delusion so Im probably very wrong lol

Lain of the Wired

Luigi 2028

Matt Poulson

🙏 Psyopportunities! 🙏

ploob

🚲🍕🍷🏥🆓 what parallel universe is this? 🤔

Xander

Yay! My prayers answered once again

Logan

thank y'all for the birthday gift

Chickox

LET'S A GO

Andy Kraushaar

🤌🤌🤌 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🏥

Shivvy

Liv Mangione

Sister Motoko

Haven't listened yet but excited to see how many bleeps Julian gets.

Richard Holmes

Finally, I can have an opinion

Smooth Shrek

surprising amount of luigi ao3 fanfiction, but, as i think at least once a month: surprising lack of qaa ao3 fanfiction...

ehli

Eat the rich.

Louis Wilkins

WOW didn't even know about the fanfiction angle

Grease Witherspoon