The LOST Experience (Premium E267)
Added 2024-11-18 02:38:56 +0000 UTC“I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us: LOST.” And I was wrong. This week, Jake strands the co-hosts and listeners on a small, dangerous island, and dissects the ‘LOST’ alternate reality game from 2006. In an effort to steer the show away from politics and conspiracy theories in these trying times, Jake has inadvertently uncovered the inconvenient truth that TV shows and their advertisers may have primed us for Qanon.
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Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Experience
https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lost_Experience
https://web.archive.org/web/20080703080022/http://www.thelostexperience.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7eZZ1OKOSg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XvHd7VScY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phwqrqlGwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Tw12WskOk&t=789s
Comments
What a great show you guys did. Yep that TV show lost was on. I was too caught up with work back then. Didn't have time to watch it. Some of my Mates did. They were really dissipated with the ending. I has to listen to them whining about the ending for weeks. I didn’t know about the game running on the side though. I don’t think they did either. I never heard him talk about it anyway. It definitely sounds like a precursor to what we’re putting up with now. I might myself go back and watch it now. I do have time up my sleeve. Cheers thanks for the show.
Trevor
2025-04-03 09:03:57 +0000 UTCShit you not, I wrote my university dissertation (in 2006) on the Lost Experience as a viral marketing tool and internet fandom. I was one of those forum bakers - the nostalgia is real.
R T
2025-03-17 19:37:17 +0000 UTCJust watched all 121 episodes of Lost just so I could listen to this. I have no regrets
Francis
2025-01-04 19:22:46 +0000 UTCThis whole thing really felt like a warning for what was about to come for LOST fans
Andy Kraushaar
2024-12-28 19:33:45 +0000 UTCOne of the writers on From, Javier Grillo-Marxuach, was a key writer for the Lost ARG
Ian Mullet
2024-12-09 01:22:37 +0000 UTCIn reality it was Lloyd Braun
Ian Mullet
2024-12-09 01:19:30 +0000 UTCYes! I've been pestering them to cover it for years!
Michał Kosakowski
2024-12-07 17:46:37 +0000 UTCi feel like Jake would probably enjoy the MMO The Secret World (now the Secret World Legends) just for investigation missions. lots of baking-adjacent mysteries there
Kate M
2024-12-05 01:33:15 +0000 UTCSo glad to see this ARG recognized! Throughout the Qanon era, I thought of The Lost Experience many times and how it was so much more impressive than Qanon. Check out Andrew WK's Steev Mike conspiracy ARG for an even earlier example of this type of thing. And of course Ong's Hat!
Tyler Rabbit
2024-12-04 00:15:09 +0000 UTCI think...this might be a top 10 episode... There is some serious synthesis about the main topic of the podcast...
Jeremy Olivier
2024-12-04 00:13:04 +0000 UTCGood to know there’s a book!
Laura Walsh
2024-11-28 19:05:07 +0000 UTCJust read the book, it’s way better than the show anyway
Julia
2024-11-28 15:56:57 +0000 UTCYou were watching 'Lost'. I was watching 'Space Ghost Coast-to-Coast'... We are not the same ;p
Christopher Green
2024-11-28 01:29:11 +0000 UTCI submit 'Battlestar Galactica' as a 'ship show'.
Christopher Green
2024-11-28 00:59:09 +0000 UTCThe rise of Qanon has actually had an effect on my enjoyment of some sci-fi... realizing that some writers were sharing because they truly believed in 'special indigo children' or 'extradimensional demons', and of course the eugenics in a lot of older stuff... yikes.
Christopher Green
2024-11-28 00:53:38 +0000 UTCI actually feel vindicated for my baking because I put together all the clues including stuff from the companion journal from season 2 to conclude that Elliot’s father had sexually abused him. I think that was beginning of s4, and when it got to the episode at Krista’s house, I was like holy shit I was right? I don’t think any other show paid off the clues as well as Mr. Robot in my opinion because as a fan I felt really valued.
Chloe Showalter
2024-11-26 19:16:19 +0000 UTCThey really encouraged it as well.
Blake
2024-11-26 10:51:27 +0000 UTCI used to tell my friends that Alvar Hanso was the voice in the beginning of every episode that says, "previously on Lost".
Jeff Morin
2024-11-25 22:12:22 +0000 UTCI don't know about the other shows but I wouldn't classify Dark as a mystery box show.
Subodh Kafle
2024-11-25 18:44:13 +0000 UTCSame. I read aaaaaallll those too. Because clearly the real world doesn’t suck enough so I continue to read dystopian horror
Landry
2024-11-25 03:13:23 +0000 UTCFinding the Hayabusa helmet in Halo
Sean Marshall
2024-11-24 23:20:59 +0000 UTCif it makes you feel any better, your podcast has helped at least one game designer successfully argue to irresponsible marketers not to try to convince audiences that their ARG is real.
elby
2024-11-24 20:19:01 +0000 UTCJake, Would ‘Raised By Wolves’ by Ridley Scott be a Ship Show?
Andrew Mahalik
2024-11-24 20:18:53 +0000 UTCtrueanon is just one facet of the larger universe within the Racial Jake ARG
elby
2024-11-24 20:06:28 +0000 UTCYes
Jamie Fritz
2024-11-23 23:09:12 +0000 UTCStarted Silo, told my wife I hope it isn't a ship show. Had to explain the concept, she was only annoyed during the explanation. Also, Mr Robot turned into a ship show (derogatory), and Legion was a ship show (complementary) .
Andy Fuller
2024-11-23 13:34:16 +0000 UTCOf course Elon would miss the point of Judge Dredd.
mysticwerebadger
2024-11-23 01:37:11 +0000 UTCYep, sadly. Was quite into it.
Laura Walsh
2024-11-22 21:18:59 +0000 UTCJust like GoT.
Mare Procellarum
2024-11-22 21:17:42 +0000 UTCJeez, I was 30.
Mare Procellarum
2024-11-22 21:16:54 +0000 UTCIt did? Shit.
Mare Procellarum
2024-11-22 21:14:52 +0000 UTCI’ve been there… it was great.
Mare Procellarum
2024-11-22 21:14:32 +0000 UTCWasn’t Blueanon Jim Stewartson an ARG developer? I remember reading him talking about how you had to sandbox people or they would get totally out of hand and go to places that you never intended. That’s why when he discovered QAnon. the first thing he said was “this is a weaponized ARG”.
Mare Procellarum
2024-11-22 21:12:11 +0000 UTCCame here to say this
gcf
2024-11-22 21:02:17 +0000 UTCI was watching the latest episode of From on MGM and all I kept thinking was "this is a ship show"
Ruth Kiszka
2024-11-22 18:22:21 +0000 UTCThe Terror s1 is the ultimate ship show
peterloveydovey
2024-11-22 13:22:49 +0000 UTCI remember when ARGs were THE thing to show that your media property was cool. My first cell phone was a flip phone my dad received from The Dark Knight's ARG and we have a sick poster that we won from TRON: Legacy's.
Kathryn from Detroit
2024-11-22 01:38:42 +0000 UTCOK thank you for confirming I was like, "I'm not sure if I get the whole ship show thing, but is Twin Peaks a ship show"
E Lyons
2024-11-22 01:19:49 +0000 UTCThe amazing British series Utopia seems to have picked up the vaccine conspiracy trope seven years later!
Johnny S
2024-11-21 22:44:48 +0000 UTCWe all remember the classic novel that ends 'at last the cows came home to milk.'
nathan.witthoft
2024-11-21 21:42:36 +0000 UTCIs raised by wolves a ship show?
Mat
2024-11-21 19:40:16 +0000 UTC“30th anniversary” terrified me for a moment where I thought I lost a decade
Time to Patreon
2024-11-21 19:35:07 +0000 UTCMe and my buddy were huuuuge Losties! I got the numbers tatted on my knuckles. Loved playing the ARG too. Lemme tell ya, the Hanso family was super shady.
Schwartz666
2024-11-21 19:30:49 +0000 UTCSlusho! You can't drink just six
Schwartz666
2024-11-21 19:19:39 +0000 UTCSame, brother.
Schwartz666
2024-11-21 19:17:08 +0000 UTCCloverfield did a small version of this. It was dope./
Round the world
2024-11-21 17:27:48 +0000 UTCMy zoomer ass would have been ecstatic hearing Rachel Blake at SDCC. That seems like it was a pretty cool setup.
Evan Nelson
2024-11-21 16:13:15 +0000 UTCTammy Preston was perfectly Lynchian in the return, I don't know what you're on about
'Mech Bae
2024-11-21 08:35:46 +0000 UTCEvery character in that show is so very fucking stupid I think I'm hate watching it at this point
'Mech Bae
2024-11-21 08:24:50 +0000 UTCi take it all back, jake and his antics must be curtailed
buttface
2024-11-21 07:18:43 +0000 UTCThe audio effect at the end sounds a lot like an SSTV signal
Alex Anderson
2024-11-21 03:33:27 +0000 UTCJesus Christ hearing the fake talk show host use the word “fracking” as an expletive transported me directly back to watching, like, Eureka in 2006
Alex Anderson
2024-11-21 01:36:53 +0000 UTCliv agar (sorry i am late)
Alex Anderson
2024-11-21 00:56:25 +0000 UTCJake is talking quite a lot.
Ryan Post
2024-11-21 00:53:40 +0000 UTCI don’t think I understand what a ship show is.
Elliott Wallace
2024-11-21 00:08:23 +0000 UTCIf you want another example of a show prepping people to be conspiracy theorists - check out Utopia (both the british and the really bad american versions).
Austin
2024-11-20 23:07:44 +0000 UTCI'm just glad that, after all his crimes, Jimmy has finally been milked
Interested Third Party
2024-11-20 22:51:08 +0000 UTCI only hear Brace's characters name "Racial Jake" lol
kmd
2024-11-20 20:56:05 +0000 UTCSide note, big L for David Lynch not casting Anna Torv as Tammy Preston in Twin Peaks The Return. Crysta Bell is not a great actor.
Jim Veil
2024-11-20 20:11:02 +0000 UTCFringe was great up to a point. The last season was pretty whack.
Jim Veil
2024-11-20 20:08:53 +0000 UTCI’ve enjoyed nearly all of Lindelof’s work, but Lost was a dud for me. I think it’s JJ Abrams flaccid idea of storytelling that got in the way.
Jared M.
2024-11-20 19:51:45 +0000 UTCI'd love to spoil the ending of the show for Jake, but it's super convoluted and I haven't watched it since it aired, so...
Jim Veil
2024-11-20 19:49:23 +0000 UTCI will preface this by saying I am a huge Lost fan, but just wanted to stop by and say this is the best premium episode you've done in a while. So great! Also, I'd like to put in a request for Liv to do a Costco-verse episode as I find their rise so fascinating.
Rich
2024-11-20 17:35:01 +0000 UTCWow! I started tracking ARGs back pre-911 with MAJESTIC and warning the alt-media community about their potential for misuse. Y'all did a great job with this one, as always. Thanks!
ELFIS ANOMALY
2024-11-20 17:13:57 +0000 UTCThrowing From into the recs that Jake should watch
anni
2024-11-20 16:47:37 +0000 UTCYes! The remakes are beautiful. And, whoo, I am old.
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 16:01:12 +0000 UTCGood choice on BSG. Don’t bother. Make up your own ending.
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 15:53:23 +0000 UTCHoly crap, how did I miss this? A show based on Mervyn Peake’s Gormenghast?! My brother introduced me to the books 50 years ago!
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 15:40:40 +0000 UTCThanks!
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 15:34:57 +0000 UTCSawyer and Sayid.
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 15:20:15 +0000 UTCI loved Station 11, the book and the show. I also loved 1899, and was bummed when it was axed. And Dark, (by the same couple who later did 1899, iirc), was sooo good. Those last two are definitely ship shows.
Jeanne H-B
2024-11-20 15:16:31 +0000 UTCIt's the same ADHD pattern as when I finally decide to support a creator on patreon and then don't listen to the show for 2 years. Sometimes it works out.
Brad
2024-11-20 11:50:22 +0000 UTCI would of loved a mention of the Jeep official tie in, letyourcompassguideyou.com https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Letyourcompassguideyou.com
Stephen Braunstein
2024-11-20 10:38:56 +0000 UTCSo this is just like that Sherlock tv show Johnlock conspiracy. We'll, not just like but people getting way too involved in their entertainment to the point where it has negative impacts on their lives.
Brandi Ray
2024-11-20 06:43:57 +0000 UTC"Don't apologize for entertaining the audience" 🥹
Brandi Ray
2024-11-20 06:40:30 +0000 UTCI think you’re doing a big disservice to Station 11 by categorizing it as a ship show. That show is so painfully good on so many levels.
Bunkle James
2024-11-20 06:16:25 +0000 UTCwhat did the hippie say when you told him to get out of your house? "namaste."
Alex
2024-11-20 05:50:23 +0000 UTCI thought ship show was going to be like...you wanted Jack and Sawyer to kiss
Alex Sanchez
2024-11-20 04:12:17 +0000 UTCI honestly thought a ship show was going to be one with multiple love triangles, where the audience roots for their favorite couples (which was a big thing on Lost). Top tier episode. Classic Coke !
Terrence Edwards
2024-11-20 02:34:12 +0000 UTCtotally reminds me of jkr’s website in the early aughts. She had secret things to click on and passwords and codes that would unlock new hp related information [obligatory fuck jkr note]
Lydia
2024-11-20 02:29:18 +0000 UTCJake is going to get permanently stuck in Trump voice any time now.
Adam Kozman
2024-11-20 02:22:16 +0000 UTCI wish I’d been as prescient as you Brad, holy hell that series finale was a mess
Eric Quirk
2024-11-20 01:36:36 +0000 UTCWhat are the odds that the early people involved with ARG went on to work with Cicada? I am in a rabbit hole and they kind of feel like the same vibe.
Andrew J Gac
2024-11-19 23:15:25 +0000 UTC“From” is an excellent ship show.
Tobin
2024-11-19 22:41:07 +0000 UTCHmm, correction to the 35.25 voicemail clip: it does not start with the german national anthem. It’s just a jingle for the closing segment of some old Danish radio show. I don’t recognize the hosts voice nor the show but my guess is it’s from the 70’s or 80’s. His pronunciation is old Danish. The clip is def from a private or local radio channel because it has commercials. All the best Danish radio channels are public service without commercials;-) Translated directly from Danish the clip says “that’s everything from me tonight. And stay tuned because here comes the news followed by classic rock from the 60’s and 70’s including an exclusive playback of Geronimo Jackson’s first complete album Magna Carta, right after a couple of words from our sponsors”. Then some weird rap clip and the Verizon weirdness. The whole voicemail is just word salad. Three clips put together with no total meaning.
Ellise Adalena Jensen
2024-11-19 21:14:04 +0000 UTCThank you Jake! The Myst reference ruled. That game used to scare me. It also had Ship Show vibes.
Carley Jennings
2024-11-19 19:28:39 +0000 UTCi understand the shipshow category, but i just call them bad
Sam Woods
2024-11-19 17:54:18 +0000 UTCDamn I was really hoping we'd get a reprised Jimmy Kimmel impression by Julian
Evan
2024-11-19 17:26:53 +0000 UTCThis episode was genius and thank you for cetting me to laugh out loud while taking my afternoon constitutional. I may have disturbed my neighbors with my maniacal laugh but it was worth it
Ruth Kiszka
2024-11-19 17:18:02 +0000 UTCHaving read Wool and Shift, I think they did a good job pacing and making it a mystery.
MifsudZ
2024-11-19 15:25:08 +0000 UTCThe Prisoner legitimately seemed like an HBO prestige drama that was sent back in time by 50 years.
Blake
2024-11-19 15:23:22 +0000 UTCThe books were great and I always side-eye tv/movies trying to capture a plot like that.
Landry
2024-11-19 15:20:29 +0000 UTC“This was supposed to be a fun episode” and yet it was the most terrifying because it is literally explains how capitalism birthed Q 😭😭😭
Landry
2024-11-19 15:18:04 +0000 UTCIf we're recommending Ship Shows, I go with RUBICON. Oh and that one where JK Simmons plays alternate versions of himself in different dimensions
Brad Plumb
2024-11-19 14:46:51 +0000 UTCThis "ship show" term is deranged. "Shipping" is already a term in pop culture discourse, OBVIOUSLY a ship show is a show which sustains its viewership via the fandom obsessively hoping and pushing for the show to become a romance show, especially if it was supposed to be about something more high concept but lost its focus as it devolved into bait for the horny fandom. We're talking Supernatural after season 5 when Eric Kripke bailed, Sherlock after season 1, Adventure Time from whenever they gave Marceline and Princess Bubblegum a backstory.
Nah
2024-11-19 12:34:21 +0000 UTCJake I'd love a "Ship Show" podcast, hell I'd co-host one! Julian nailed it with Silo. I think interstellar is considered hard sci-fi which could still overlap with ship show I guess... Would Avenue 5 be like a parody of ship shows?
conan
2024-11-19 07:03:22 +0000 UTCMakes me think of Meow Wolf Omega Mart. I went to it/one at Area 15 in Vegas. Basically a surreal escape room with lots of these themes. Super fun and pretty deep immersive experience
Robert Hostert
2024-11-19 03:42:14 +0000 UTCI'm picturing Arrow as my ship show
Beverly Veatch
2024-11-19 03:30:26 +0000 UTCI remember having so much fun baking Mr. Robot. The last show I’ve ever baked any takes about
Chloe Showalter
2024-11-19 03:12:09 +0000 UTCWhy do Jake and I have all the same interests…? Weezer and LOST foreva!
Natalie Dempsey
2024-11-19 03:10:46 +0000 UTCWould The Peripheral be considered a ship show? Bummer the second season got canned.
Laura Walsh
2024-11-19 02:53:11 +0000 UTCMy kid is STILL into it and we finally got the Book of Bill this autumn.
Laura Walsh
2024-11-19 02:49:38 +0000 UTCThe Casino is on a river boat=Ship Show
Laura Walsh
2024-11-19 02:46:39 +0000 UTCOne of my favorite episodes in awhile that wasn’t current events related! Insane how Q just follows the same contours of ARGs.
Kyle Chouinard
2024-11-19 02:32:53 +0000 UTCHouse is a ship show
Francis Barry
2024-11-19 01:43:48 +0000 UTCJake’s gotta read Pattern Recognition by William Gibson, that novel set the template for this whole thing
Emily K.
2024-11-19 01:25:32 +0000 UTCI read the books and have been excited to see how they are handled! I forgot the second season is starting!
Melazond
2024-11-19 00:04:37 +0000 UTCHey, I understand this might be a little controversial, but it really needs to be said. Liv Agar
steaknap
2024-11-18 23:55:14 +0000 UTCHow did Jake not bring up Weezer’s “Hurley” album???! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurley_(album)
Caleb Weeks
2024-11-18 23:52:30 +0000 UTCIs XFiles an OG ship show??
U-Haul I-Haul We-All-Haul Together
2024-11-18 22:52:15 +0000 UTCOzark takes place on a lake, thus ship show.
Kranium Kracka
2024-11-18 22:41:27 +0000 UTCBTW- the idea of using a vaccine for secret population control is the core conceit of the excellent British TV show Utopia (it also got a US remake). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(British_TV_series)
Piers Locke
2024-11-18 22:09:36 +0000 UTCShame it got cancelled
Piers Locke
2024-11-18 21:58:41 +0000 UTCI agree! First episode of Season 2 just dropped.
Piers Locke
2024-11-18 21:58:22 +0000 UTCWhen it comes to media aping reality, this feels like a great moment to recommend The Lovecraft Chronicles- BBC Radio 4 adaptations of classic Lovecraft stories in the form of a true crime podcast. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p06spb8w
Piers Locke
2024-11-18 21:57:37 +0000 UTCFor teenage girls, Pretty Little Liars was THE baking show
Kendra Gilbertson
2024-11-18 21:53:06 +0000 UTCHmm, maybe Gormenghast is as well then? I'm still figuring out this new category of stuff though.
Cate Kneale
2024-11-18 21:52:05 +0000 UTCThanks for the rec. 👍
Mac-something
2024-11-18 21:49:33 +0000 UTCI'm nominating Heroes as the show that was even more disappointing than Lost. Except that I'm fairly sure that Rayanne from My So Called Life was in it and this has since been expunged from the timeline.
Cate Kneale
2024-11-18 21:49:29 +0000 UTCAll hail our dorito overlord! Suck it time baby! Reality is an illusion! The universe is a hologram! Buy gold! (Look! A turkey!)
Mac-something
2024-11-18 21:44:27 +0000 UTCThe film AI had a whole ARG campaign as well which I seem to remember starting from the film poster. I think it may have been better than the film.
Cate Kneale
2024-11-18 21:43:32 +0000 UTCNever watch the end of Dexter.
Cate Kneale
2024-11-18 21:41:46 +0000 UTCI miss ARGs. I spent some time in Perplex City and wished I was in San Francisco for the thing that became The Institute and then became Dispatches From Elsewhere. That was much more wholesome with no fake vaccines in Africa or product placement and I endlessly recommend it to people. So, check it out.
Cate Kneale
2024-11-18 21:39:34 +0000 UTCThat was just everything in the 2000s lmao
Jeremy
2024-11-18 20:54:23 +0000 UTCShoutout to Felix from Chapo Trap House referring to the mystery subplots in Lost as "enrichment exercises for the lower primates".
Blake
2024-11-18 20:53:24 +0000 UTCI listened to the Bad Twin audiobook when it was first released and my one overriding memory is that the phrase "apropos of nothing" was thrown around far too much. Fringe is a ship show, though its forerunner (and sneakily in-universe companion) The X-Files is not (but has ship show elements).
Robert Williams
2024-11-18 19:41:34 +0000 UTCListening for a second time and another perfect ship show popped into my mind: Jonathan Strange and M Norrell. Elements of science v magick with a k, grey palette, some actual ships, it’s perfect!
Altinia Holdings Inc
2024-11-18 19:40:26 +0000 UTCThis episode ruled
Carly Meyer
2024-11-18 19:24:24 +0000 UTCThis episode made me feel OLD. Because I was like 24 for the Lost Experience :___
Fernando Trigo Chouciño
2024-11-18 19:23:32 +0000 UTCI blame Racial Jake
Joseph O'Brien-Applegate
2024-11-18 18:46:28 +0000 UTCThe last House episode is worth watching
Eddy
2024-11-18 18:40:13 +0000 UTCSilo is great in my opinion
MifsudZ
2024-11-18 18:22:16 +0000 UTCOuter Range is a Ship Show, and a great one, because Josh Brolin
Brent
2024-11-18 18:09:51 +0000 UTCI watched Lost (I think it's the first show I started torrenting) and was tangentially aware of the ARG, but man that was a wild ride. I might just start watching it again. I will say the conspiracy theory elements matching QAnon is because those are conspiracy theory pillars already. The game Deus Ex had them in the plot and that was 1999 or 2000 if I recall correctly. And they were drawing from what conspiracy theorists were saying.
Berjan Been
2024-11-18 18:05:59 +0000 UTCLOVE(!) The Prisoner. But never watch the show with a 4y.o. The balloon gave my kiddo nightmares for years. I couldn't figure out why he was so traumatized. Then I watched it again years later (older, wiser and all that) and was like, 'oh, yeah, that's creepy af.'
Justine Riekena
2024-11-18 18:04:14 +0000 UTCJj Abrams did something similar with cloverfield
Mike H
2024-11-18 18:02:14 +0000 UTCHaven't listened yet, but Sherry Turkle's 2011 book Alone Together used the online LOST experience as an example of the new kind of communities the web made possible. As a sociologist who's been writing about online identity since the days of MUDs and BBSs she might be an interesting guest for the pod if you could get her.
Junior Carmichael
2024-11-18 17:47:51 +0000 UTCNo need to spoil the end of the show, the writers did a great job ruining it
genrepunk
2024-11-18 17:32:39 +0000 UTCThere is a mysterious force keeping them on the island.
Ben Schwabe
2024-11-18 17:25:28 +0000 UTCSeverance is a ship show. Need a name for the Arcane/Fallout/Vox Machina category!
Kendra Gilbertson
2024-11-18 16:49:17 +0000 UTCThis might be out of left field... but the way this episode explored how some early (relatively) lighthearted internet mindfuckery prefigured Q reminded me to tell you guys if you're ever looking to do more reviews on media eerily prescient of the current moment, and/or if any of you are anime-heads (and even if you aren't), I highly recommend doing something on Serial Experiments Lain. It basically foresaw from 1998 how the Internet would eventually suck everything and everyone into it, rewrite reality and identity, and universalize paranoia. It really captures the haunted, lonely vibe at the core of modern life (and of course, at the core of Q). And btw, great episode, Jake! It helped make an awful work night bearable. I also endorse the Ship Show thesis.
Andrew
2024-11-18 16:44:36 +0000 UTCThis is like what The Boys are doing with social media and vought
Kelley Kloncz
2024-11-18 16:14:07 +0000 UTCI've remembered that sequence of numbers for 20 years, it's never left me. I'd hoped that one day it would pay off. Today it did, when I said them aloud, along with Jake. I felt a tiny pride, and a feeling of kinship, because we likely have similar mental health issues.
Matt
2024-11-18 16:05:22 +0000 UTCThe Prisoner (1967) was a Ship Show. Oldest one I can think of, but maybe there are older.
Ben Schwabe
2024-11-18 15:43:16 +0000 UTCI stopped after the penultimate ep and have never felt any compulsion to finish. Peace of mind intact.
Brad
2024-11-18 15:35:14 +0000 UTCyour definition doesn't mention colors
stan says I'm done with sergio
2024-11-18 15:33:23 +0000 UTCJulian's strongest soldier would give Jake like 25 different endings
stan says I'm done with sergio
2024-11-18 15:32:45 +0000 UTCAfter hearing how wowed the hosts were by the Lost ARG, I wonder: have the QAA crew heard of Gravity Falls? It was a very popular cartoon on the Disney Channel airing between 2012-2016. The show involved constant hidden messages using many cryptographic cyphers hidden in the background of the show, in shorts published online, comics, and several books, which led the viewers (which would ostensibly be children) on a similar hunt to decode messages, solve similar puzzles online, and visit real life locations across the United States, Russia and Japan. To connect this even more to baking mindset, the Villian of the show is a Chaos God named Bill Cypher who has spent centuries manipulating human events and leaders in order to cross over into our dimension and rule humanity as a cruel overlord - and despite the show ending in 2016, this year another book was published continuing the ARG as the now dead god tries to return to the land of the living through manipulating humanity and those that solve the puzzles.
Chris
2024-11-18 15:28:50 +0000 UTCPrometheus is a ship show
Kelley Kloncz
2024-11-18 15:26:43 +0000 UTC"Ship show" is the best way to describe these kinds of shows. Watching them is like boarding the titanic you never know when things will hit the iceberg. This terminology will up one day. From on MGM is another ship show and it takes place in a nightmare land where qanon natural law applies
Ruth Kiszka
2024-11-18 14:52:54 +0000 UTCSilo is the first thing I thought of!
Victor in Brooklyn
2024-11-18 14:50:03 +0000 UTCHow many ships can a ship-show shit if a ship-show could shit ships? But seriously, The Last Ship is a seriously great ship-show. It's got an easily followed plot, and it's got hunky Chad's (Captain Rock Chunkchest is my favorite 😍) delectable lady sailors ,tons of guns, missiles, and set on a gorgeous Arliegh Burke class destroyer. All served smothered in a rich gravy of a pandemic. Lord have mercy. Great pod. Nice break from the election.
bigphoton
2024-11-18 14:49:07 +0000 UTCDid Jake switch his medication recently?
Victor in Brooklyn
2024-11-18 14:47:07 +0000 UTCLost was the fever dream of a golden retriever that startled itself awake and ran into a wall
Noblesse Oblahaj
2024-11-18 14:18:20 +0000 UTCI feel like Jake is stuck in the mindset that this was 30 years ago and not 20. One of his lines is about “modems connecting”. This was 2007. Broadband was a thing for most people by then. Not at the speeds we have today but I feel like a some sound was already something considered antique by then.
Dan sulin
2024-11-18 14:16:32 +0000 UTCTo the point where we might need a "this is not that" dedicated series episodes
Thibault Proux
2024-11-18 13:47:45 +0000 UTCBtw, you guys have got to find someone who can tell you all about The Secret World/Secret World Legends! It's so far up your alley you gotta turn around to see it behind you.
Vaz
2024-11-18 13:44:54 +0000 UTCI would totally spoil the episode for Jake, but as one of Julian’s strongest soldiers I haven’t even seen enough Lost to remember who is who
Joseph
2024-11-18 13:05:35 +0000 UTCthe funniest part about Jake’s “ship show” classification is that he didn’t mention the best example of this genre imo, a Spanish show about a group of people stuck on a boat during the apocalypse called El barco (in english, The Ship)
Quinn Darling
2024-11-18 12:58:20 +0000 UTCThere's that fancy 2021 remake with VR support, and the Riven remake was released earlier this year.
Vaz
2024-11-18 12:34:24 +0000 UTCI misread The OA as The OC and was very confused.
Vaz
2024-11-18 12:32:45 +0000 UTCThis is where I thought he was going with it, too, since Lost was very shippable, even aside from the canonical triangle of what's-her-face, Sawyer, and the human shoebox.
Vaz
2024-11-18 12:28:11 +0000 UTCI watched Lost from beginning to almost-end when it aired, but I can't spoil the ending because I never watched the last episode. Other shows I watched 99% of, but not their last episode: Battlestar Galactica (the remake), House, Dexter, Fringe, Warehouse 13, Dark Matter... It's not even intentional, it just keeps happening.
Vaz
2024-11-18 12:25:23 +0000 UTCExcellent episode!
Eric Cronk
2024-11-18 12:19:49 +0000 UTCNot Penny's Ship Show
lubacious
2024-11-18 11:59:29 +0000 UTCthis is my ship show
BIG VIBES
2024-11-18 11:41:32 +0000 UTCI loved LOST when it was running live until season 4, hung in till the ending and got my heart broken. This episode is a soothing balm to the psyche.
LUCI WATAHA
2024-11-18 10:39:51 +0000 UTCNot-ship not-show ship show - The Prestige. Amazing work
leem
2024-11-18 10:21:37 +0000 UTCI just finished watching this whole show, it’s great if you take its campiness in stride. I have been blessed with a good episode today fellas
miss cloud
2024-11-18 10:01:12 +0000 UTCThank you I haven't seen any of the shows Jake gave as examples and beyond color palette I was like '🤷♀️ I know what shipping is but this is not that'
Suzie B
2024-11-18 08:19:55 +0000 UTCnormie version not Jake version
Shivvy
2024-11-18 08:06:58 +0000 UTCJake I know exactly what you're referring to when you say "Ship Show" and it has an actual name: Mystery Box: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_box_show?wprov=sfla1
Jeremy
2024-11-18 07:58:47 +0000 UTCI thought a ship show was a show whose fans ship the show's characters. Like, Star Trek: TOS is a ship show.
batlock666
2024-11-18 07:41:57 +0000 UTCNot sure if anyone (oughts gamers) remembers this, but it really reminds me of this thing that happened near the release of Halo 2, very close to the same time. At the end of a Halo 2 trailer, “ilovebees.com” briefly flashed on the screen. When you logged onto that website, it was this broken, seemingly hacked website about bees. And people baked the hell out of it, there was a countdown clock, weird writings popping up on certain pages of the site, etc. i never could figure out the connection to the game, but its so similar.
Nahhhmaste
2024-11-18 07:03:14 +0000 UTCLOST the series may not have held up, but season 4 episode 5 The Constant is one of the better self contained sci fi episodes ever filmed.
Skeleven
2024-11-18 06:59:24 +0000 UTCI feel like a game called PYST should be set in and around the Trump White House. But now you know I'm going to have to look to up.
Justine Riekena
2024-11-18 06:55:11 +0000 UTCThe original ship show was Twin Peaks and it also has a lot of Q DNA buried in its lore. I think the idea that Q is always present but can only make itself known with whatever media is available is quite persuasive.
Jacob King
2024-11-18 06:52:46 +0000 UTCAm going to give that a listen! 😄
Arvid Haglund
2024-11-18 06:34:05 +0000 UTCYou need to do a bonus ep where we get Jake's take on the ending!
Arvid Haglund
2024-11-18 06:33:19 +0000 UTCHighly recommend what went wrong podcasts 2 episodes on lost. Explains the tension the writers had between fan service and knowing where the story was going. Impossible ending to land.
dan jackson
2024-11-18 06:05:49 +0000 UTCYer talking about the numbers
julie poulsen
2024-11-18 06:01:08 +0000 UTCso good!!
Shivvy
2024-11-18 06:00:08 +0000 UTCJake has baked entertainment and discovered the origin of Qanon. Is QAA over now that you solved the mystery?
Snickerdoodle
2024-11-18 06:00:02 +0000 UTCcorrect
Shivvy
2024-11-18 05:59:37 +0000 UTCThe Silo is a Ship Show. Station 11 is a bit more Prestige TV
Shivvy
2024-11-18 05:59:25 +0000 UTCJake you’re right!! The Prestige is Ship. Interstellar is not. I get it!!
Shivvy
2024-11-18 05:58:35 +0000 UTCDark is so good btw
Shivvy
2024-11-18 05:57:49 +0000 UTCTurns out I’m a Ship Show Head. Meanwhile, my *actual* ship show (I call it Big Dumb Boat Show) is Dr Odyssey
Shivvy
2024-11-18 05:57:43 +0000 UTCThanks for this Jake. Please do the leftovers next. You know you want to and the themes fit on point 🙏
Stiivn
2024-11-18 05:27:33 +0000 UTCOK I was obsessed I had 5 different podcasts I listened to and one of my favorite recap websites: Ack Attack who would sum up each episode with gifs and with a true disdain for Jack to the point where shipping and slash fiction was used as a joke for Jack/his tears which became Jears http://www.theackattack.net/?tag=lost-season-1
Melazond
2024-11-18 05:27:02 +0000 UTCI remember playing the original ARG (now called "The Beast" I think） that was developed as a promotion for Spielberg's A.I., and year it was pretty thrilling. IN fact, I like it better than the movie.
Brad Plumb
2024-11-18 05:26:47 +0000 UTCIt sometimes feels like Jake is the result of a lab experiment who is willingly presenting himself for us to dissect.
Brad Plumb
2024-11-18 05:25:15 +0000 UTCOH MY GOD YES
Melazond
2024-11-18 05:24:36 +0000 UTCBSG the ultimate ship show
Ben Thelen
2024-11-18 05:19:04 +0000 UTCI thinnnnnnk what Jake calls ship shows are what I've been calling "tasteful" scifi, i.e., sci-fi that conforms more to the conventions of literary fiction (prestigious because it's the one non-genre genre) than sci-fi (which is a less prestigious genre). It's often explicitly marketed as "genre-defying" scifi for ~discerning~ viewers who don't usually like genre fiction, and it tends to be muted & minimalist in tone, scope, and color palette. Honestly, they're kinda anti-ship shows because they absolutely will not under any circumstances show you a cool spaceship. (Except Arrival, but at least it's an elegantly minimalist spacecraft.) Most importantly, though, tasteful scifi has as little worldbuilding as the writers can possibly get away with, and it refuses to get weird with it. The OA is a fun (counter)example because it lulls viewers into a false sense of security by seeming to be tasteful scifi early on, but then veers off into gloriously over the top strangeness.
Kit Cali
2024-11-18 05:13:36 +0000 UTCI’m going to piss my pants on the bus Jesus Christ
Ernie Von Schledorn
2024-11-18 05:05:12 +0000 UTCI remember playing that so much and the parody game PYST
ev
2024-11-18 04:56:05 +0000 UTCwould amc’s the terror count as a ship show? there’s even a ship in it. two, in fact
mags
2024-11-18 04:36:55 +0000 UTCIs Gilligan's Island a ship show?
Maura Harrison
2024-11-18 04:31:24 +0000 UTCNeed a Jake’s Takes on Ship Shows.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2024-11-18 04:20:43 +0000 UTCliv agar
ev
2024-11-18 04:16:24 +0000 UTCYou guys are the best. This is the only podcast that's guaranteed to make me laugh. Where else do you get episodes about paradox sandbox games?
Ruth Kiszka
2024-11-18 04:00:40 +0000 UTCthe NIN project you speak of would be Year Zero which is unfortunately super fucking timely (but an excellent album).
Brian Sheppard
2024-11-18 03:56:12 +0000 UTCOh. MYST. Now I'm going to have to go get it on Steam. >.<
Justine Riekena
2024-11-18 03:51:22 +0000 UTCCame here to say this 😂
Sarah
2024-11-18 03:46:25 +0000 UTCthis is not that
Sarah
2024-11-18 03:45:56 +0000 UTCEnding of lost: everyone dies someday bro
Lu
2024-11-18 03:43:42 +0000 UTCI remember a great article on this arg in wired mag in like 2006 I think it was the same comp who did the nine inch nails arg
Lu
2024-11-18 03:39:22 +0000 UTCI never watched LOST but Heroes had a similar thing where you texted a number with your theories about the ongoing season that was tied in to the comics posted on NBC's website, but there were no TV ads. I have to imagine it was determined that the monetary benefit of theoretically extra attention to ads didn't generate enough revenue to overcome the loss of a 30 second ad slot that could otherwise be sold.
Gareth W
2024-11-18 03:37:59 +0000 UTCDark is such a good show!!!
alli moulton
2024-11-18 03:25:49 +0000 UTCQAA is my favorite ship show podcast
Cthulhusbedandbreakfast
2024-11-18 03:11:52 +0000 UTCOh, and then do a Jakes take on the video game
Jon
2024-11-18 03:10:27 +0000 UTCLOST was such a big thing that I would have to negotiate with coworkers about who would have to take the thurs night shift or whatever night it was on. There was a calendar and everything. Fuckin loved that show, have all the fun watching Jake
Jon
2024-11-18 03:09:54 +0000 UTCWell, that was a bolt of mortal panic when I heard and momentarily believed that Lost was 30 years ago.
David D.
2024-11-18 03:08:02 +0000 UTCSame. We have to go back! 🌴
Heather B
2024-11-18 02:59:13 +0000 UTCJulian ILYSM
Heather B
2024-11-18 02:57:58 +0000 UTCGalactica also had a ship in it!
Matthew Steele
2024-11-18 02:57:22 +0000 UTCMore of this type of stuff, less election talk - somehow already beaten to death after less than two weeks Although gonna pretend I didn’t hear Julian call Silo crappy
Andrew Lenahan
2024-11-18 02:55:13 +0000 UTCI got into Lost back when I smoked weed. I have no attention span, so the way they never resolved any plot lines was perfect for me
Grease Witherspoon
2024-11-18 02:53:51 +0000 UTCFuck dudes now I have to rewatch LOST for the fifth time
Wheels Wheeler
2024-11-18 02:53:16 +0000 UTCI loved this era of ARGs! It was such a mind blowing concept to 13-year-old me.
Altinia Holdings Inc
2024-11-18 02:44:06 +0000 UTCYes melt my brain 🧠🧈
Kingfisher
2024-11-18 02:42:36 +0000 UTC
