Reading your comments, philosophy & freedom | Patreon ep. 52
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Sorry, bit late to this discussion, but I have something to contribute to the 9-5 vs content creation difficulty debate. I think that Jack and Tom see it in a very black and white perspective, because they are higher on the creative spectrum in terms of content creation and "artsy" creative expression. As someone who is quite creative, but studies in a scientific field, I feel as though I have a unique perspective. In scientific fields, which can be 9-5s, there is a lot of opportunity to fulfill your "creative drive", as Jack and Tom refer to it. In my position, many of the skills that are considered to be inherently creative can be applied to other fields, when you don't confine those skills to meet particular criteria in the realm of one industry. I think there is a significant difference between creative expression and art. Creative expression is ultimately how fulfilled you are by it, and art is the way in which others interpret it. Of course, some people, such as Jack and Tom in reference to periods in which their creative expression was driven by views, are motivated by the interpretation and engagement of others (hence, entertainment), and others are motivated by their own creative fulfilment. Realistically, how you are motivated to express yourself creatively will determine which is harder. It is very subjective.
its me
2025-09-27 12:05:34 +0000 UTCThe arguement about privilage is not about questioning whether you're grateful or worthy enough of the life you have, but its more about the angles you have in discussions/arguements that you are missing as a result of your privilege. For example, your more privileged financial situations mean that neither of you fully realise how heavy a weight money is on your happiness, fulfillment and ability to be creative. Having privilege is not inherently bad, it just means (in this debate) that you are missing important perspectives
Jess Gulwell
2025-09-26 11:46:40 +0000 UTCa great version of the trolley problem goes like this - you're teaching a philosophy student the basics of the trolley problem and decide to do a demonstration, setting up the problem in real life. to make it easy, the second track has nobody on it. the student decides not to pull the lever, and the 5 people tied to the track die. who's more responsible - and more immoral - you or the student who didn't pull the lever ?
eve🌸
2025-09-20 08:08:06 +0000 UTCCan't believe it's been a year already! Your podcast has become part of my routine since I discovered it, and it has been one of the best moments of the week, making me laugh on bad days. Thank you <3
Tifolu
2025-09-13 16:34:53 +0000 UTCAt first i had a lot of opinions about the whole 9-5 vs content creation on both ends, but i think at the end of the day every job has its pros and cons and it’s easy to go in depth to your own job and how it makes you feel, but i think at the end of the day it’s really just a job and sure it may be a bit abnormal but i feel as though every job is. I think at the end of the day every job has its gripes and good
PigCow
2025-09-13 13:47:55 +0000 UTCHello friends! So I have I think an interesting point of view to the conversation of jobs, creative jobs, content creation. For background I have a BFA in Film & Production and a BFA in Production Design. I have always found my skill set to fall into producing, arguably a far less creative side of being a creative professional. The conversation around content creating, creative work, and a "normal 9-5" I think is a bit scrambled. From my perspective you have content creation as a subset of creative work and 9-5 being the rest (if we are to generalize of course). Content creation while being creative has such a wildly different outcome financially than working as a creative professional so I don't think they should really be in the same conversation. The head of departments on movie sets that are extremely successful could never dream of making the type of money that content creators make for far less time and education. This isn't at all to say being a content creator isn't hard but a vast majority of content creators didn't spend thousands and thousands of dollars on schooling to be able to do what they do. The fact of the matter is, content creators are overpaid dramatically. Yes, content creation is important and a great job to have, but people who work in creative industries are vastly underpaid when their skill set and technical knowledge of their skill is far higher than content creators. I just think putting content creation and creative work on the same table isn't fair because they aren't really the same. Creative professionals could be anything from Production Designers for film sets, Graphic Designers for brands, movie Producers, Painters, the list goes on and on. Those creatives are skilled fully and incredible in one skill set vastly while content creators tend to be less skilled in every area but knowledgeable in what they need to be. I don't know if I'm making full sense here, but my main point is, let's not put creative professionals and content creators into the same conversation. The wage gap between the two lines of work is too extreme for them to be talked about together and they're also just far too different.
Katherine A. Donovan
2025-09-09 01:09:26 +0000 UTCa lot of the comments you read are missing jack’s point entirely, he literally said it’s not a black and white thing and that one can be harder than the other depending mostly on the person. and obviously you guys are privileged but everyone that enjoys their jobs and has enough money to be comfortable is. you’re allowed to feel that streaming is harder than a specific 9-5 for you personally, and vice versa! i like the idea of content creation, but a lot of the aspects of it sound a lot harder than some 9-5s i can think of. personally i am a creative person and couldn’t think of doing a job without it, but i totally understand people being fulfilled without it. i am going into a partially freelancing field depending on what i decide, makeup artistry and hair styling, and the freelancing aspect is scary to me but much less scary than being in the public eye so much. sorry if this doesn’t make sense my melatonin started kicking in in the middle.
jake
2025-09-09 01:03:14 +0000 UTCim late but i dont think theres a way to determine if a job is easy or hard - i think it relates to the person. like yes, being a docter for example is more difficult than say a desk job, but do we determine a job as easy because of the difficulty of what we're doing or if or not we enjoy the job? like is it easy to get up and want to go to work doing a difficult job that you love? does that take away the aspect of it being difficult? idk this episode got me thinking
polly!!
2025-09-08 16:41:21 +0000 UTCI reallyyy hope they go through with releasing the pilot episodes on here. Been so curious about them since they mentioned that they exist 🙏
ArcticWerewolf2
2025-09-08 15:57:19 +0000 UTCCheers guys, I feel a little mean lol. Honestly seems like everybody, viewers included, are on the same page, but we're all just having a hard time articulating what we mean. Happy anniversary!!
Andy Ang
2025-09-08 15:18:27 +0000 UTClate to the party but I feel like Tom really overestimates how creatively inclined m the average person is. I think Jack's argument is more nuanced. you gotta be in a specific situation to put yourself out there creatively, and like the other comment said, you hear about the few that made it - not the 99% that don't. also, every 9-5 is different. its not a 1-1 comparison
River_6
2025-09-08 09:12:02 +0000 UTCThat's the issue for me with that whole question alot of the times its asked in a way that only effects the person saving the people but doesn't actually take into account that whoever lives in that situation is good to look at you in very different ways
Curtis Robinson
2025-09-08 06:56:48 +0000 UTCIt’s just a mix of different set of skills that you need to gain and luck
Sophie Quaker
2025-09-08 06:41:38 +0000 UTC39:52 it’s true that ccs can always quit their jobs and start working a 9-5 but a a person who works at coding for example can do that too
Sophie Quaker
2025-09-08 06:41:06 +0000 UTCGreat, the one comment of mine they read is the one where I call Jack privileged 😭 For what it's worth, Jack, I DONT think youre just a privileged douchebag, I think youre actually one of the more grounded youtubers/streamers out there, which is why your stance in that episode stuck out as odd to me! Love your work
sheeple
2025-09-08 06:14:16 +0000 UTCthank you boys so much for making the podcast weekly. i’ve been going through A LOt the past few months and this is always my BEST moment of my week, th calm in my storm and i love you both dearly for it. Please keep it going for as long as you can and thank you for teaming up with CALM.
Josh
2025-09-08 05:54:05 +0000 UTCi have never considered the notion that the 5 people tied to the tracks would be on your side and advocate for killing the 1 person
magic8ball
2025-09-08 02:58:48 +0000 UTCI'd prefer my job to be more on the creative side (even if it is as a teacher like Tom said), but I wouldn't really say that it's harder, it genuinely depends on what your content is.
Hismario123
2025-09-08 00:41:43 +0000 UTCSpeaking for myself, the (many!) benefits of earning a living as a content creator will never overshadow the loss of privacy most creators will face. The thought of every action being picked apart, and random strangers being able to speculate and theorise about my personal life sounds like a living hell and I’m not sure how Jack and Tom cope!
Emily Rose
2025-09-07 21:49:36 +0000 UTCHappy 1st Birthday!
Lesley
2025-09-07 20:38:01 +0000 UTCDon’t stress it boys I think people from any walk of life will always seem ignorant to certain struggles (like you guys and the 9-5 debate) because they because they haven’t had to experience it but that doesn’t make you ignorant to your privilege and at the end of the day most of us will never know the struggle that you guys go through because we will never be in your situation. You aren’t out of touch you just have a different outlook
Leni🫶🏼
2025-09-07 20:09:58 +0000 UTCI think a lot of my perspective on the discussion comes from my disabilities - I can't handle a 9-5, but I can handle my gigs, my streams, my posts, my novels, so I've always seen 9-5s as totally impossible but content creation is easier (for me personally)
Eden
2025-09-07 19:43:36 +0000 UTCmy take on the 9-5 vs content creation thing just boils down to how much capitalism kills humanity. you shouldn’t have to choose whether or not you can enjoy creative expression and have it tired to your paycheck but that’s a very distant if ever future
kittietoof
2025-09-07 19:40:43 +0000 UTCsquish yogurt mention on the pppatreon
squishyogurt
2025-09-07 19:15:30 +0000 UTCI’d love for you to do question episodes! Like where you gives us prompts and we give you answers to discuss. Sounds awesome :)
Kai
2025-09-07 19:13:11 +0000 UTC45:24 pretty sure thats fraud
sillystone
2025-09-07 19:08:13 +0000 UTCthis whole debate kinda sounds like when people talk about musicians. yes, the ones who are famous and rich probably have it easy but it doesn't mean that becoming one will get you to that point easily, if at all. most musicians have to have a main normal job and do music on the side. Algorytm and survivorship bias makes it so the most youtubers we see dont have to struggle anymore so it seems easy
Elion Eli
2025-09-07 19:04:19 +0000 UTCHappy birthday SUIT!! I love the deep chats you guys get into, it’s so interesting to see into your brains and what you think outside of jokes and being funny
Max Clark
2025-09-07 18:32:45 +0000 UTCNot in a bad way just in a way my dad wouldnt appreciate
Laine
2025-09-07 18:15:49 +0000 UTCSometimes I'm listening to this and Jacks making a really interesting point and I think yo this is something my dad might be into then tom says something completely random and I remember why he wouldn't watch it
Laine
2025-09-07 17:50:06 +0000 UTCI've made it to the big leauges my comment was in the 1 year anniversary Patreon
Jamie
2025-09-07 17:47:01 +0000 UTCsuperman would do the impossible! jack you should read all star superman- you’d love it!
votejuno
2025-09-07 17:13:18 +0000 UTCguh
bea
2025-09-07 17:01:06 +0000 UTCThe philo discussion was very interesting and an extremely accessible way for people to be able to get into these existential questions. Happy birthday 🎉
Oskar
2025-09-07 16:51:25 +0000 UTCJack makes a good point. No person achieves success in life without having stress and pressure. Life isnt easy wether its making content or working in an office
liam mears
2025-09-07 16:38:28 +0000 UTChappy birthday suit 🥳
vamp
2025-09-07 16:32:38 +0000 UTCi voted for sea monkey… just looked it up and i’m so disappointed it’s not a monkey
beabadoobee
2025-09-07 16:31:35 +0000 UTCWe need a new patreon exclusive segment where you ask us hard questions every few episodes and read our responses. That would be so 6767 sigma.
imgonnastealjacksgf
2025-09-07 16:30:56 +0000 UTCThanks for saving my life bros. Love you guys so much. Happy 1 year to the best podcast in the world ❤️🎉
imgonnastealjacksgf
2025-09-07 16:20:20 +0000 UTCbirthday birthday birthday
autumn
2025-09-07 15:55:48 +0000 UTCHappy podcast birthday!!!!
Richard
2025-09-07 15:49:28 +0000 UTCPodcast Podcast Podcast
Amour
2025-09-07 15:26:54 +0000 UTCWhat the fuck bro?!
Amour
2025-09-07 15:26:42 +0000 UTCI hope you read the hate comment I just left on the video that just came out. Cheers
Budgie Imposter
2025-09-07 15:03:26 +0000 UTCYESSSS
Eden
2025-09-07 15:02:56 +0000 UTC
