PATRON TIER LIST TNG S5E10
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The first sign this episode was mediocre was Geordie excited about this new technology. That would be like a car guy who builds hot rods and offroad beasts being excited about the tesla car and cybertruck. So you jump on this wave that is fired from one planet to another. What if you have to take a detour? What if something fails and you fall out of the wave? What if the wave destroys another world like it almost did here?
Sherpa Jones
2025-03-01 05:10:53 +0000 UTCMeh. Just Meh. Not dreadful enough for a D. It’s “alright”. But not one I’d rewatch. It’s just there.
Crankygrandma
2025-01-09 21:02:32 +0000 UTCHe was a kid
Boggle
2025-01-09 20:13:44 +0000 UTCEh. I don't hate this episode. But I also don't really care about it, either. I do find it fascinating how many children the Federation puts at risk on front-line starships, though. C.
Boggle
2025-01-09 20:12:54 +0000 UTCThis episode is one I skip.
THE Fans
2025-01-09 09:42:28 +0000 UTCSpoilers ahead! Poor facial expressions. Stilted, poor line readings, very typical of bad child actors (which was most of them) of the time. He always sounded like he was reciting his lines off of cue cards. Compare Bonsall's efforts to Haley Joel Osment, Christina Ricci, Elijah Wood, Dakota Fanning, etcetc. He just doesn't sound like what a child actually sounds like -- he sounds a lot more like an adult poorly mimicking a child (or just about any child which is voiced by an adult in dubbed anime). I think he gets a LITTLE better over time, I liked Fistful of Datas myself, but overall, I never liked Alexander episodes.
Ian Westcott
2025-01-08 23:17:35 +0000 UTCWhat I like about this one is seeing Worf, well established as a workaholic, forced to stop and take care of his family, like any other single parent on the Enterprise. Whether you like Alexander or not, it’s a good story for Worf.
tyranusfan
2025-01-08 13:20:19 +0000 UTCDorf! Returns! Oh, I fell asleep
Thicketdweller
2025-01-08 05:51:41 +0000 UTCJovet - note my wording 'worst of the TNG child actors' not necessarily saying bad actor as a whole, just the worst of the child actors given a lot to work with on that particular show. I'm only comparing him against them, not all child actors in history and the industry.
Ben Smith
2025-01-07 17:52:53 +0000 UTCC tier for me, nice development for Worf but feel the b plot kinda gets in the way. Never hated Alexander as much as so many seem to. I like this side of Worf being explored.
Darren Seal
2025-01-07 16:33:21 +0000 UTCare you kidding me? I've seen 2x4's give less wooden performances
kevin coleman
2025-01-07 16:31:52 +0000 UTCHe didn't sound genuine at all. Every time he spoke it felt like he was reading the script. That's just to my ears. I could be way off base. Star Trek doesn't handle children very well in general, so I may be somewhat biased against them.
John
2025-01-07 14:22:44 +0000 UTCI love the choice to make Worf a father. For real now.
Shanelle
2025-01-07 14:12:25 +0000 UTCYou see what?
Darin Wagner
2025-01-07 13:40:26 +0000 UTCElaborate?
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:18:39 +0000 UTCHe is still a brat. I didn't say it isn't understandable how he got that way. He's basically the new recurring "put Worf out of his element" character.
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:17:06 +0000 UTCI see
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:15:47 +0000 UTCHow was he poorly acted? He was supposed to be bratty and obnoxious, and it seems to me he nailed it!
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:12:45 +0000 UTCAt least he's supposed to be annoying. Alexander's mother DID NOT raise him to emulate his father.
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:11:04 +0000 UTCThat's what I think about when I watch TOS. So much emotional, soap-opera drivel... supposedly sophisticated and enlightened Vulcans killing each other over mating rights... repeated posing and prosing displays of lust and masculinity usually resulting in barbarian fisticuffs...
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:10:04 +0000 UTCAs long as neither of them sing, I'm fine.
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:06:43 +0000 UTCYeah, I thought Wesley was hated! LOL!
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:05:18 +0000 UTCHow was he a bad actor?
Jovet
2025-01-07 13:04:37 +0000 UTCSome good character for worf, but not much beyond that...I hate to say it but Alexander's child actor always felt like the worst child actor on TNG and could have been cast different. Unfortunately the main focus of the episode is worf and alexander which is what brings this episode down. The new propulsion system should have been the A plot whilst worf and son the B plot. Just a very mid episode for the middle of the season.
Ben Smith
2025-01-07 09:03:12 +0000 UTCOk... That's a much better comparison 😀
Alan F
2025-01-07 06:34:24 +0000 UTCI Wish K'Ehleyr Was Here: The Episode
GreenCauldron08
2025-01-07 06:07:22 +0000 UTCEh. That's pretty much all I have to say.
wildhunt1973
2025-01-07 04:57:18 +0000 UTCI like Alexander but feel like Worf-as-dad is underused. They don't make it a permanent part of his character. Alexander just waltzes in every now and again. It could have added more depth to Worf, showing a side of his character that he really struggles with, but they ended up doing it better with other characters in series yet to come.
Kristina Weber
2025-01-07 04:05:33 +0000 UTCGeez a lot of Alexander hatred in these comments. I didn’t know he was such a divisive character.
tyranusfan
2025-01-07 03:59:10 +0000 UTCWho would have thought I could like an episode with Alexander in it? Till that episode shows up this one sucked, except for the sideways fall. F for fuck off!
Sixto
2025-01-07 03:57:30 +0000 UTCNot the best episode, and I've never been a fan of the Alexander character. However, it does give Worf more character development, and as a neat side note: That wave they're using here is a real physical concept. D - Tier
Andreas Schmitt
2025-01-07 02:33:01 +0000 UTCI literally fell asleep while trying to re-watch this.
Matthew McKinnon-Gray
2025-01-07 02:23:38 +0000 UTCYup, the main hull of Red October, with two nacelles slung over it and a little red engine. It also appeared in the junkyard in Unification.
tyranusfan
2025-01-07 01:29:02 +0000 UTCReally not a fan of Alexander episodes, and this one is the Alexander episode. a D for me. While I know that Alexander is really good for Worf's character development, I just can't get into them.
Thomas Cole
2025-01-07 00:57:08 +0000 UTCWhich I think were built from Red October model kits.
Column Meanie
2025-01-07 00:47:35 +0000 UTCIt’s not Klingon stuff. It’s just talking about Klingon stuff. Yawn.
Column Meanie
2025-01-07 00:46:08 +0000 UTCObi-Wan and Leia in the Obi-Wan Kenobi show.
David Brown
2025-01-07 00:28:53 +0000 UTCAlexander sighting! The warp test ship is the same model as the Mar Defense Perimeter ships in Best of Both Worlds P 2.
tyranusfan
2025-01-07 00:28:49 +0000 UTCWesley vs Alexander? Who do you dread showing up next? For me, give me Wesley please.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2025-01-06 23:35:38 +0000 UTCAnother Season 5 returning character when Alexander comes to live with Daddy because he's being a brat to Grandma and Grandpa. He isn't much better with Worf, but they are bonding some at the end when Worf gives him a choice, and Alexander decides it's better to stay on the Enterprise instead of being shipped off to Klingon school. This is one I have ranked as “Enjoyable”.
KatWithAttitude
2025-01-06 23:16:40 +0000 UTCHonestly I don’t think he is a brat. He has suffered trauma, has been abandoned by his guardians repeatedly, is a stranger wherever he goes and doesn’t really have a home. His reactiona are remarkably mild given such circumstances. I just don’t think the stories about him are well written or enjoyable. And he is also a kid and kid-centered stories have an uphill battle to overcome.
Aramis Calcutt
2025-01-06 23:10:56 +0000 UTCI would say I can't believe what I just watched, but I do believe it. On a show promising to boldly go to where no one has gone before, I was subjected to some cliche family crap that could have been lifted from any show of the 1970s. Had it at least had a slow melancholy rendition of the Brady theme as Worf gave the TV dad speech it would have been S. As it is it's a D.
Ken R
2025-01-06 23:05:06 +0000 UTCD for Dorf. And for a technobabble plot that good acting cannot save.
Paul O'Neal
2025-01-06 22:17:42 +0000 UTCRegula-1 scientists develop Genesis to create life, it ends up being a doomsday weapon. The Enterprise crew try to reignite a dying star, end up destroying the whole system. These guys develop a warp drive alternative, and it ends up being a planet destroying superweapon. I'm sensing a pattern here. Also Dorf returns!! I guess Worf finally found the milk and cigarettes.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2025-01-06 21:43:50 +0000 UTCUpvote this man
Phil Ken Sebben
2025-01-06 21:14:19 +0000 UTCHaving Alexander in this episode ALMOST makes me wish for Wesley to return! D for the annoying child!
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-01-06 20:50:47 +0000 UTCDorny* is on top form here, and Marina's great too. For me the episode just creeps into a B on the back of their performances, and I'm fine with annoying kids when they are supposed to be annoying and it progresses the story. We'll just ignore the whole Planet Destroying Warp Speed Doomsday Ray that would undermine the whole show though... * that's what Marina calls Michael Dorn.
Gruzz
2025-01-06 19:53:16 +0000 UTCD for dorf episode, nah in all seriousness I don’t think this episode is actually that bad to me, I liked the worf adrenaline moment to save Alexander because his fatherly feelings actually kicked in for once, and I guess you guys will like the Deanna and Worf in the turbo lift shot when the doors open and you can see Picard sat in the big chair in the background, data and riker at one of the science stations behind him out of focus while the focus stays on Deanna and worf, my real grading C for making me feel some feelings and a fairly interesting science side
LonghillAndy
2025-01-06 19:21:04 +0000 UTCThere are a handful of episodes with kids that are good. This... is not one of them, IMO. I barely remember the other plot; this is thoroughly forgettable episode. Barely cracks a C rating for me. It does have more Worf than it might otherwise, but at the cost of his obnoxious and poorly-acted kid.... I dunno... there's a point at which the price you pay for Worf content just isn't worth it.
John
2025-01-06 19:17:19 +0000 UTCAlexander is such a little bastard! He has NO honor! C also, wouldn't that soliton wave push everything in it's path to warp speed? so you'd have a ton of space trash zipping around the galaxy at warp speeds destroying everything... so maybe a D for a bad propulsion theory.....lol
The Travelers Travels
2025-01-06 19:03:21 +0000 UTCThere is only one, maybe two episodes with Brian Bonsall playing Alexander that I like, this isn't one of them. The story with the soliton wave was just dumb. C minus
Ron Hubbard Jr
2025-01-06 18:59:26 +0000 UTCI gave this one a B tier. There is a lot of hate for Alexander in the fandom. I personally think he's a decent addition to the show. This episode isn't great by any means but I also don't think it's as bad as some people say.
Spencer Loften
2025-01-06 18:38:13 +0000 UTCI couldn’t initially remember this episode and had to rewatch. I was going to go with a C as a fairly standard storyline but the action was surprisingly good as was the acting so I’ll give it a B
Worf and Riker Ride Again
2025-01-06 18:22:26 +0000 UTC😂
Alan F
2025-01-06 18:11:55 +0000 UTCGood luck Alex and Josh. C for inoffensive but annoying and dull. At least now Worf isn't the WORST father for abandoning his kid. Just an incompetent one.
Nolan
2025-01-06 18:11:46 +0000 UTCAlexander the not great - D - but I liked the scenes with Worf’s mother.
Paul Rymer
2025-01-06 18:04:21 +0000 UTCNo, more like Obi-Wan and Anakin in The Phantom Menace, but much less exciting.
Paul Rymer
2025-01-06 18:03:06 +0000 UTCUninteresting, uninspired, unwatchable D
Phil Ken Sebben
2025-01-06 17:25:41 +0000 UTCWorf and Alexander episodes do have some nice character moments, etc, but I feel like they usually end up covering the same ground and the same arguments. C.
Joe Concepts
2025-01-06 17:10:08 +0000 UTCThis episode is the very definition of fine but kind of uninteresting. It does give some added character development to worf and it's nice to see his mom again, but I'd rather watch Qpid twice than this one once.
Wrestling With Gaming
2025-01-06 16:50:33 +0000 UTCMeh. D-orf. Skip.
The Ninth Doctor
2025-01-06 16:32:10 +0000 UTCWhile Alexander is definitely annoying to most (as the other comments attest), I can’t help but enjoy episodes where Worf learns to be a parent. It adds good conflict and contrast to give the warrior a fight he can’t win with sheer physical strength.
cricketlenny
2025-01-06 16:29:54 +0000 UTCIt's clearly not what he is doing but how he is doing it.
ComMix
2025-01-06 16:18:50 +0000 UTCIt wouldn't be feasible at all. It would violate Relativity, faster than light travel of matter. (Warp engines do NOT do this, as the Warp engine creates an isolated pocket of the universe around the ship, and that pocket is pushed faster than light. The ship never actually moves inside that pocket of space.)
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:18:19 +0000 UTCI think the child actor was fine. Alexander is supposed to be a problem child.
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:16:00 +0000 UTCBut but but ... Klingon stuff ?
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:15:21 +0000 UTCBeyond contrived! LOL! Well, Worf's situation isn't, but everything else is.
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:15:05 +0000 UTCThe "plot armor" of having to go through the wave to catch up with it is ridiculous. They should easily be able to go around it. And the concept of warp without warp drive is flawed. It would violate relativity—something warp drive, surprisingly, does not! Best worst thing about this episode? There's a fire on the ship, three people are in the room with all the smoke and flame, and NO ONE is coughing!
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:12:03 +0000 UTCThe sequel to the death of K'Ehleyr. This is an average, run-of-the-mill episode. It's not quite a bottle episode since it adds Alexander. I think Troi is pretty good in this. Worf is out of his element, so that's probably fun. This is a huge example of new technology that could be revolutionary but ... is it?
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:06:53 +0000 UTCIt was nice to see Worf's mother again. Sad thing is Georgia Brown, who played her died from surgical complications on July 5, 1992. Just 6 months after this episide aired.
Keith S
2025-01-06 16:05:02 +0000 UTCWorf shows off his lack of wisdom in this episode and that humanizes him (no pun intended) in a way I think no other episode could or has. Alexander is a little shit in this episode. The most interesting thing in it, however, is the "Soliton drive." I thought this idea of a cheap, economical alternative to the standard warp drive was kinda neat.
Darin Wagner
2025-01-06 16:03:27 +0000 UTCI think that caused the problem in the first place...
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:02:07 +0000 UTCWell he's a brat.
Jovet
2025-01-06 16:01:48 +0000 UTCIt's a C to me. Worf has to confront a problem that he can't fight or flee. It's a cool concept, but not well executed here. Star Trek has done the "fish out of water" motif better in the past and the ship in peril trope feels tacked on to satisfy the requirements of a sci-fi element and giving the rest of the crew something to do. But it squeaks in a few bonus points for featuring Sully (Richard McGonagle) from the Uncharted games.
Jeffrey P
2025-01-06 15:57:29 +0000 UTCI like Worf’s parents. I don’t like Alexander.
Aramis Calcutt
2025-01-06 15:53:01 +0000 UTCOh lord... Alexander... Where do I start? How about with a "D"
Eric Singer
2025-01-06 15:50:12 +0000 UTCEh
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 15:47:25 +0000 UTCD for Dorf
TomEmilioDavies
2025-01-06 15:36:11 +0000 UTCWhereas I usually watched each episode glued to my TV I’m pretty sure I was cleaning my room or folding my socks when this one first aired. Nice to see Helena Rozenko return and appreciate the reunion of Worf and Alexander, but man Worf is just a horrible dad here. I get it, you can’t have plot without conflict, but you know it’s bad when Picard of all people tells you “the meeting can wait, go take care of your kid”. D for “dont Dad like Worf”
Column Meanie
2025-01-06 15:36:03 +0000 UTCWorf and Alexander are the 90's precursors to the Mandalorian & Grogu! 😄
Alan F
2025-01-06 15:35:06 +0000 UTCThis one is a skip in my book. The plot points and stakes feel very contrived. And for that reason I’m sure you guys are going to love it.
Evan Guthrie
2025-01-06 15:24:40 +0000 UTCnothing about this interests me - D
Prof Moff
2025-01-06 15:24:34 +0000 UTCWhat i really like is the shift of Emotions on Worf Face when dealing with Alexander and his Teacher. Besinde the not so good Child Actor, i can enjoy the development of an relationship . Strong B
ComMix
2025-01-06 15:22:34 +0000 UTCYou killed off Kheleyr for THIS?! D for Dorf.
bab
2025-01-06 15:17:52 +0000 UTCOverall, good episode. Nice, sometimes awkward moments with Work and Alexander. Worf having to face the facts of being a father and that kids, even Klingon ones, don't always "have honor" and tell the truth. The B-plot is okay but nothing special. Overall, B rating for me.
Collin Freeman
2025-01-06 15:16:20 +0000 UTCNice to see Alexander return. Worf thinking that being a single parent is easy is hilarious. B grade.
Christopher Dorn
2025-01-06 15:16:04 +0000 UTCThe idea of warp without warp drive is cool, but would the this technology be feasible for responding to distress calls out in the middle on no where? Or just short planet to planet hops?
Gregory
2025-01-06 15:15:56 +0000 UTC
