UNCUT - A Matter of Time (TNG S5E9) | Star Trek Journey 215
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Sorry guys but Max Headroom was before Jim Carey
Lyric
2025-01-19 22:32:26 +0000 UTCFun Fact : This part was originally written with Robin Williams in mind
jeff hughes
2025-01-12 05:58:28 +0000 UTCno the 22nd century!
Todd Pritchett
2025-01-11 03:12:38 +0000 UTChe's also the Trashcan Man in the Stand. But he'll always be Max Headroom first.
Todd Pritchett
2025-01-11 03:10:08 +0000 UTCI've always thought he was a Jim Carey doppelganger, even when I was a kid. But no, he's Max Headroom, Pestilence in Supernatural, and a bunch of other stuff I can't think of right now.
Burrito Vampire
2025-01-10 08:01:53 +0000 UTCD episode at best for me
AzoriusMage
2025-01-09 17:52:41 +0000 UTCSure, the ratings aren't important exactly, but they are still a fun addition. They do make for a good jumping off point into the discussion. If you want to changes things up, maybe you could treat your initial rating as your reactionary rating, and then maybe have a post discussion rating.
Paul Noad
2025-01-08 07:33:33 +0000 UTCThis is one of those episodes that could be decent, fun, if it can get you to suspend your disbelief by how strangely the main cast of characters behaves, like Picard trusting him enough to allow him free rein of the ship. The only way to do that is with an extremely charismatic guest star playing the role of the future citizen. If Robin Williams had been the guest star, and nothing else whatsoever changed, I think you'd have given it a C+, maybe even a B. Personally it's just a C for me, enough redeeming fun that I can enjoy it but the guest actor is just meh.
Paul
2025-01-08 06:44:12 +0000 UTCWhat’s missing?
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-07 22:47:45 +0000 UTCspeculation
ET
2025-01-07 21:29:11 +0000 UTCNo. Star Trek exploded in syndication giving Star Wars a foundation. Star Trek proved science fiction can be smart while still entertaining. Star Wars went more for the fantasy/entertainment vein though.
Robert Edelmann
2025-01-07 21:29:05 +0000 UTCwhat happened to the missing episode reactions?
ET
2025-01-07 21:27:25 +0000 UTCGates McFadden had a newborn baby during S5 which is why you don’t see her much.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2025-01-07 19:57:59 +0000 UTCHe's not Ace Ventura. He's Max Headroom.
Jeff Lawson
2025-01-07 16:17:14 +0000 UTCWell, they clearly still have meth in the 26th century.
Chris Mickelson
2025-01-07 01:21:34 +0000 UTCWithout Star Wars, Trek would have faded into obscurity.
Column Meanie
2025-01-07 01:05:59 +0000 UTCWe are
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-06 20:51:33 +0000 UTCJosh with the harsh touch this season! I find this to be one of those episodes that is "baseline TNG" -- i.e. I enjoy it quite a bit but is otherwise nothing special, for TNG. B- or C+ for me.
Lovok
2025-01-06 19:15:37 +0000 UTCChris, Wishing you a successful and pleasurable Ponn Farr. 🖖 I hope you don't have to fight to the death. Peace and Long Life
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-01-06 18:32:03 +0000 UTCI have to admit that this episode is one of my guilty pleasures. I just love how slimy Max Headroom is during the whole episode. And I actually enjoy how quirky and annoying he is, because the crew starts feeling the same way about him that we do. I think he played the part really well. I don’t buy that Picard would be taken in so easily though. Is not a great episode, but for some reason it makes me smile. Solid B from me for a guilty pleasure.
Bantha Fodder
2025-01-06 16:34:47 +0000 UTCSometimes I feel like you guys are too hard on the writers. They were trying to churn these out every couple weeks, which is a pretty insane pace. They can't all be home runs. There is a ton you can criticize about the writing of this show, but i also think they deserve a break sometimes.
Clyde Frog
2025-01-06 15:27:59 +0000 UTCLOL Bad Haircut!
Josef Nitervol
2025-01-06 15:19:11 +0000 UTCYeah I agree. This didn’t age well. Dr. Stubbs just got bumped out of the # 1 spot.
Chris S.
2025-01-06 14:22:49 +0000 UTCI go through Ponn Farr this year. Just felt I’d throw that out there. 😉🖖🏼
Chris S.
2025-01-06 14:00:30 +0000 UTCAm I the only one around here who gave up on the wallet years ago? Everything I need is in my phone.
Column Meanie
2025-01-06 10:12:51 +0000 UTCWilliams was known for improvising lines. Pretty sure that wouldn’t have been a problem. He was also an Oscar-nominated actor at the time and really good actors can turn crap into gold (looking at you Alec Guiness in Star Wars)
Column Meanie
2025-01-06 10:09:20 +0000 UTCI'd have to see it to believe it. I just cannot imagine what Williams would have brought to improve the character with the same lines.
Jovet
2025-01-06 09:24:37 +0000 UTC@Steve Boshear Well, barely restraining their eye rolls at him, at least.
Jovet
2025-01-06 09:22:26 +0000 UTCThis episode is the archetype of average ("C").
Jovet
2025-01-06 09:19:52 +0000 UTCI always interpreted Picard and everyone else as suspecting "the professor" but waiting for him to put a foot out of place to prove their suspicions.
Jovet
2025-01-06 09:16:30 +0000 UTCAlso no love at all for Star Wars? I know Star Trek is good but wow. The Next Gen wallet is much nicer though. Sorry Mando/Baby Yoda...
Robert Edelmann
2025-01-06 08:41:59 +0000 UTCI remember Max Headroom being on regular, free TV. I seen a few episodes but I didn't get it. Now, it was ahead of it's time about the role of media in our daily lives.
Robert Edelmann
2025-01-06 08:39:56 +0000 UTCThe big part Matt Frewer is known for before this epiosde was Max Headroom. His character was an AI alias of the main character. Very 80s. The retro 80s diner Reagan AI from Back To The Future II was an allusion to him. Jim Carey was on In Living Color, which was a SNL skit comedy show. I never seen the similarities between the two actors before but now I can't unsee it! If anyone could save this episode, Robin Williams could!
Robert Edelmann
2025-01-06 08:37:13 +0000 UTCYes, this episode is just not interesting enough. The conflict with the planet, while dire, is very impersonal and dry. There was no way Picard was going to accidentally kill 20 million people. And Rasmussen's character would have been a lot more interesting if he wasn't so clearly unlikeable. Everyone, including the audience, knew this guy was a slimeball. If he was actually likeable as a person, Troi's distrust might actually mean something.
SuicuneSol
2025-01-06 07:56:05 +0000 UTCI actually like Matt Frewer’s weird persona, so I quite enjoy this episode. To me, the plot is weak, but I love every bit of smarmy, slimy Matt Frewer. I won’t go looking for this episode, but if it’s in I’ll watch it just for him. I’d give it a C.
Aramis Calcutt
2025-01-06 07:08:27 +0000 UTCYeah gotta say, I'm with you guys on this one. Quite a let down after the two parter. Matt Frewer was a favourite of mine when he starred in a show called Doctor Doctor, which was hilarious. He's been around for years but lost me when he joined Eureka. As an Australian, what he did to our accent was downright abysmal.
Linda Thackeray
2025-01-06 06:27:52 +0000 UTCAgreed with everything, guys. Stewarts performance was the highlight. Otherwise, meh. Low meh.
Aaron Wells
2025-01-06 06:18:09 +0000 UTC(In an equally logical tone) Chris, the teachings of Surak are subject to interpretation. I, and others, believe that it is illogical to purge all emotions. It is more important to achieve the highest and best level of oneself with logic as our primary tool. Thank you for your question. Live Long and Prosper 🖖 Also, May the Great Bird of the Galaxy Bless Your Planet. (IDIC symbol here).
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-01-06 04:31:14 +0000 UTCYou thought they were charmed by him? I read every chatacter as barely restraining their rage at him.
Steve Boshear
2025-01-06 04:28:17 +0000 UTCI hate this episode. Like I actively seethe watching it. Everyone is insufferable. And it's not really Frewer's fault because he's just doing what he does. I blame whoever cast him. No mercy for that person. Right out the airlock. Space 'em and throw a party.
Ally Roth
2025-01-06 04:26:20 +0000 UTCMatt Frewer had been playing this persona at least as early as Max Headroom in 1984. He isn't copying Jim Carrey. They're both Canadian though in case that's a thing.
Aramis Calcutt
2025-01-06 03:55:56 +0000 UTC(In a very logical tone) T’Pynyn, have you yet achieved Kolinar? 🖖🏼
Chris S.
2025-01-06 03:27:19 +0000 UTCIt was the guest star. Too sniveling, dorky, and annoying. Like, Dr. Stubbs just got bumped out of the no. 1 spot for me. Every time he opened his mouth I cringed or rolled my eyes. A different guest star that wasn’t as obvious, and a bit more likable would have made him more of a mystery. Whats his motive? Could he be legit? The “used car salesman” feel of this guy just gave him away. Max Headroom.
Chris S.
2025-01-06 03:22:09 +0000 UTCI think I gave this one a C, but honestly watching this again I was really bored, so I'm leaning toward D as well. I do like the ready room scene and Picard's speech, also Data's subtle threat to Rasmussen. But the thing on the planet is just such a generic obstacle for the crew to overcome, and Rasmussen does nothing for me. Now at the same time, it's not offensive to me. I don't find it painful to watch or anything(painfully boring maybe). But yeah I really don't care about it. I saw in the comments you were considering dropping the tier ratings. Maybe just save them for the end of the season once the discussions have been had and the episodes have had time to marinate.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2025-01-06 03:17:41 +0000 UTCDo you think that the ready room scene was actually Picard testing the con man? In the very next scene he is ready to arrest him, so it seems to me that he is already on to him.
tyranusfan
2025-01-06 03:03:17 +0000 UTCNow there's the Star Trek spin-off series we were robbed of! I'd be down. 😂
ScotchBeard78
2025-01-06 02:58:14 +0000 UTCYeah, Data should have a photographic memory and have noted the tricorder disappeared while Rasmussen was standing right there.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2025-01-06 02:57:44 +0000 UTCI always got the impression that the ship’s flight recorders only record in the ship’s vital areas (engineering, bridge, sickbay) not the private areas. So it would be possible to steal things and barely be noticed (but NOT in Data’s quarters! He’s too observant)
tyranusfan
2025-01-06 02:56:33 +0000 UTCI like that the plot doesn’t render the crew stupid. They knew something was wrong all along despite giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.
tyranusfan
2025-01-06 02:51:10 +0000 UTCI guess it's because I'm old, but every time I see this guy, I see "Max Headroom" from the old HBO series...
The Travelers Travels
2025-01-06 02:48:13 +0000 UTCyeah, no
Timothy Nikiforovs
2025-01-06 02:42:40 +0000 UTCThe Orville did this episode better.
Fishing Trip
2025-01-06 02:41:53 +0000 UTCMostly average episode. I do enjoy the twist that he's from the past rather that the future.
Anthony MacEwan
2025-01-06 02:18:39 +0000 UTCNor do I. Jim Carrey’s schtick is far, far more annoying.
Column Meanie
2025-01-06 02:13:07 +0000 UTCI just realized how close Worf came to getting stuck in the 22nd century. He got out with the items with less than a minute to spare.
Evan Guthrie
2025-01-06 01:40:22 +0000 UTCBut you know who I DO confuse Matt Frewer with, and always have? Dwight Schultz, a.k.a Murdoch from the A-Team and Lt. Barclay from TNG. Took me years to realize he and Frewer weren't the same guy.
Steve Boshear
2025-01-06 01:25:34 +0000 UTCApparently you havent seen anything post 2009
Scarpad’s Domain
2025-01-06 01:17:59 +0000 UTCYeah I did that as well and clearly TA are not the only people to make the connection, but I still don't see it. I'm 43, which means I was a little kid when Max Headroom was on all the t-shirts, and I was the exact target audience for Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. So obviously I've known Matt Frewer my whole life. And I was a major Jim Carrey fan when I was in middle school in the 90's, so I've known him most of my life too. I guess if I squint I can see they have kinda similar smiles, but I don't think they resemble each any more than any other two random skinny white guys.
Steve Boshear
2025-01-06 01:17:34 +0000 UTCThey are almost always a bit ahead in recording to release.
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 01:14:05 +0000 UTCI bet if you showed them Max Headroom there would be some vague recognition (people have used the pic online as avatars in various online groups/forums for years). But yeah...I'm often surprised at how little of pop culture seeps down just one generation on. I had a discussion with a guy in his 20s who had no idea about the show the Cheers. Which was ubiquitous in the 80s and 90s. But it ended s few years before this guy was born. Of course I am at least aware of shows that ended before me even decades before, like I Dream Of Jeannie and Leave It to Beaver and the honeymooner's. But I guess it comes down to the change in the media culture. When I was a kid we had one at times two TVs with between 4 and 30 channels and really no Internet till I was almost an adult and even then content was limited. You couldn't help but get exposed to reruns of shows even ones that ended decades before you were born. Now it's pretty easy to stay in your own cultural/ interest/ generational bubble. Similar things happens with politics and all kinds of things....
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 01:09:18 +0000 UTCI mean it sucks for him I guess at the same time dude probably murdered a time traveler and was about to f up world history. Now he'll get to sit in a cushy federation prison for a few months, talk to some counselors and historians, then get released into a time where he will never need to worry about material needs or reasonsble comforts again. All in all he's not too bad off given what he did.
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 01:01:12 +0000 UTCThere are a ton of Internet discussions about it.
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 00:56:08 +0000 UTCI guess I can kinda see it but not something I would have independently thought of. I will say that if you punch both their names into Google you get a lot of results for people feeling they influenced each other/stole from each other. 🤷♂️
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 00:55:33 +0000 UTCAt the time of this episode, Jim Carey would've been gaining fame as a standout on In living Color. On a side note, that wallet is pretty sweet. If I could get a Ridge wallet like that I'm all in
Retro Tom
2025-01-06 00:53:44 +0000 UTCYour discussions are fantastic. That is what has kept me hooked for 2 1/2 years. I don't even remember your tier score after I stop the video but I remember the discussion.
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-01-06 00:51:30 +0000 UTCSo I realized something. The episode does kinda suck. But I still kinda like it. I think that's a product of having first watched it at 12 or whatever I was. My critical thinking wasn't that great and I wasn't going to see the issues. Now I can see the issues...but the positive feelings from being a kid are stronger than any negative critiques I may now be able to recognize.
Greg Quinn
2025-01-06 00:51:08 +0000 UTCWhat alax doesnt seem to understand that at least for this series, Roddenberry wouldnt have conflict between the crew so the only option the writers had was to have conflict with guest stars toward the crew, why does he get so bent when there are characters that give the crew crap
Scarpad’s Domain
2025-01-06 00:42:36 +0000 UTCMax Headroom !
Scarpad’s Domain
2025-01-06 00:32:41 +0000 UTCGotta say I reeeally don't see the Jim Carrey thing. Like at all. But Matt Frewer was most famous at the time for being Max Headroom, which was already pretty old when this episode came out. Since then, he's been mostly doing character work like this. You might have seen him as Moloch in the Watchmen movie.
Steve Boshear
2025-01-06 00:08:45 +0000 UTCMork's (Robin Williams') red uniform was a reuse of Col. Greene's uniform in TOS Savage Curtain.
T’Pynyn of Vulcan
2025-01-06 00:08:16 +0000 UTCI think it's telling that y'all (mostly Alex) were so intensely p'd off by the dude's antics around Data, Worf, Crusher, etc. It shows us how much you lurve the characters. And I gotta dig your mad respect for Picard too.
Shortskirtsandexplosions
2025-01-06 00:06:55 +0000 UTCI’d give a C for this episode - the premise was quite good but definitely let down by how charmed everyone is by this dude. My rewrite would be for there to be a scuffle at the end and Worf to suplex the professor and break every bone in his body
Worf and Riker Ride Again
2025-01-05 23:18:47 +0000 UTCI'm in there with you.
Steve Boshear
2025-01-05 23:15:09 +0000 UTCI guess I’m in the minority since I enjoyed this episode and time travel episodes in general
Derek Orr
2025-01-05 22:48:22 +0000 UTCI mean I honestly dont care at all about the individual episodes ranking system or the various top 10 lists and best moments etc etc. that stuff is just odd and boring to me…its like listing your favourite colours or something 🤷♂️. I am absolutely 200% fully invested and into the analysis and discussion and the reaction.
Derek Orr
2025-01-05 22:46:38 +0000 UTCWeird. I honestly dont care about the white boards and the scoring system. Im more interested in the discussion
Derek Orr
2025-01-05 22:43:51 +0000 UTCExcluded it? Umm you apparently haven’t watched Star Trek Prodigy
Derek Orr
2025-01-05 22:38:31 +0000 UTCI can see all the weaknesses but still I mostly enjoy it. But for me that's most of TNG.
Greg Quinn
2025-01-05 22:32:58 +0000 UTCThis has sent me down a Matt Frewer / Jim Carrey rabbit hole. I’d say they were influenced by each other, helped by both being Canadian.
Christopher Yates
2025-01-05 22:26:30 +0000 UTCI'm going to have to give this one an E/D. It's one that should be erased from canon, or at least my head-canon. It was only written due to Robin Williams request to be on the show, and it doesn't feel like a lot of thought went into it. Even before knowing that though, I always skip this one when I revisit TNG. It just never did anything for me. It does get slightly better in the second half, with Picard's speech and the twist, so ehhh.....that's the only reason I may bump it up to a D. It's on the fence. Or maybe, first half a solid E and second half a D+
River Acheron
2025-01-05 22:24:05 +0000 UTCI didn't know they had anything to do with Trek post 2005? 🙃
Nolan
2025-01-05 22:03:04 +0000 UTCI can’t even remember what I voted this, probably a C or D. I just read that Matt Frewer as Max Headroom was the face of New Coke which was one of the worst marketing launches in history.
Paul Rymer
2025-01-05 22:01:57 +0000 UTCMatt Frewer and Jim Carrey are so alike, they're both Canadian! Though Frewer was born in the States to Canadian parents but was raised in Canada, whereas Carrey merely emigrated to the States later. Both from the province of Ontario, which kinda tracks... People say they copied each other's mannerisms, but having family from there, of that era, those are just two awkward Ontario boys.
Nolan
2025-01-05 22:00:44 +0000 UTCImagine if Robin Williams had been able to perform in this episode. With the ending leaving open the possibilities of further appearances by Rasmussen, TNG could’ve had it’s own version of Harry Mudd but with a legend. What could have been.
Column Meanie
2025-01-05 21:38:13 +0000 UTCOmega Glory is a season 2 TOS episode but has a season 1 stardate. this is because the outline was submitted as 1 of 3 possible try-again pilots after The Cage was denied. so they'd been sitting on that episode idea for a year and a half before they actually turned it into an episode. as it goes, they should have listened to their first instinct and left that one on the shelf.
penoyer79
2025-01-05 21:31:13 +0000 UTCI’ve seen these episodes so many times and at my age this could very well be the last time I go through all 7 seasons like this, so it’s nice to have a couple of guys who are new to the episodes to watch them with so thanks for that. Looking forward to when you get to the next few series as well. I don’t know if this information is of any use to you but I generally don’t stick around for the discussion if you’ve had a negative reaction to the episode. Might be a good idea to keep the white boards until the end. There are of course exceptions but I always watch the whole thing when you’re positive. It just feels better to leave with a smile on my face. Hope you enjoy Trek VI - I want to watch the whole discussion! 😉
Jonathan Llyr
2025-01-05 21:28:15 +0000 UTCthey mention that fact in the discussion afterwards ;)
penoyer79
2025-01-05 21:24:29 +0000 UTCThe sequel in the tv show the Orville is better
Fishing Trip
2025-01-05 21:20:08 +0000 UTCThe episode the TOS crew went back to 1960 to study the past was a studio mandate to launch a new tv show. Most people exclude it from headcanon
Fishing Trip
2025-01-05 21:19:42 +0000 UTCWait wut
Fishing Trip
2025-01-05 21:18:21 +0000 UTCAlex, that wallet is awesome. I need one now.
penoyer79
2025-01-05 21:14:47 +0000 UTCEvidently he played the voice of Jim Carrey's Loyd Christmas in the Dumb and Dumber animated series too.
PIG
2025-01-05 21:13:24 +0000 UTCGates McFadden had a child in between S4 and S5 (she is heavily pregnant during “The Host”) I assume that’s the reason she wasn’t around too much this season. She’ll be back.
Jon1701
2025-01-05 21:06:59 +0000 UTCThe Berman and Braga team are responsible for the worst trek produced.
paultardspambot .
2025-01-05 20:46:27 +0000 UTCGood Data imitation!
paultardspambot .
2025-01-05 20:44:22 +0000 UTCI watch another reaction channel where they listen to music and rate the songs. They're also considering eliminating the ratings because the audience gets way too wrapped up in whether a song is an A+ or an S tier, rather than getting involved in the actual analysis and discussion. The ratings just distract from the actual reaction.
Jeff
2025-01-05 20:41:52 +0000 UTCAs far as plausibility, yeah its a stretch, but given TOS established that starfleet did in fact have time travel missions to study history, maybe that helped establish the legitimacy. The thing for me that was very silly is that in those missions they at least tried to stay out of sight, whereas here obviously his interactions would have had subtle effects on the past, and yeah, the crew seemed overly convinced. As far as timing, it also seemed odd that Picard called him to his office, had that interaction, then supposedly makes his decision off that interaction, then when the guy is going to leave he nods to worf. Meaning that the whole time in the ready room he already knew about the stolen items because there was no time break there. So... part of that speech was testing this guy or something? My hunch is that when Robin Williams ducked out (because his wife was 8.5 months pregnant) they had already committed to the episode and were like "damn, this is going to suck" so didn't try very hard since they already knew it was kind of a dud. That said, I found it a little more amusing then you guys did. I feel like the guest actor did a good job of "love to hate him" and played it differently then Williams would have had. As far as the security cameras thing, its pretty clear they arent recording all the time, only explanation i can come up with is some civil liberties thing or maybe records of operations would be too much of a security risk if it was stolen. What it should be is that everything is being recorded but a commander has to justify accessing it, which could have been a plot thing that would have worked like, we have an on ship judge who has to issue a warrant for that, and most times it would be fine but it could be enough of a loophole it could sometimes be an issue and it would make sense with the federation's value and you could even get some drama out of it. But I feel like there's been other times when things have been recorded so.... I don't know. It would make sense people at least have privacy in their quarters as there are civilians on the ship and since people are living on it they dont give up their right to privacy. This is the kind of thing that could probably be retconned to make sense.
paultardspambot .
2025-01-05 20:39:43 +0000 UTCI try to guess your grades based on the reaction, if you eliminate the whiteboards, I will be sad.
PFCoffey
2025-01-05 20:31:59 +0000 UTCI think the connection is that both were influenced by Robin Williams, and this episode was written for him. As people have mentioned Carrey was in In Living Color, but he had also been in a few movies including Earth Girls Are Easy and Once Bitten. So he was a known quantity but it was the period when Ace Ventura, The Mask, and Dumb and Dumber came out in rapid succession in the mid 90s that made him a superstar. I remember in middle school at the time kids would imitate his over the top physical style, which was the sort of thing that wore thin really fast. While Carrey continued to have some success, the comparable career arc was Pauly Shore, who had a very specific gimmicky style of comedy acting that got big fast and then also got old really fast.
paultardspambot .
2025-01-05 20:28:22 +0000 UTCMatt Frewer played the character of Max Headroom starting in 1985 on British television. The idea was that he was a "computer-generated tv presenter" and was kind of a satire of tv hosts at the time. "The Max Headroom Show" lasted three years, and later American tv tried a Max Headroom dramatic series which only lasted two seasons. Matt Frewer was pigeonholed as that character, and the annoying "wackiness" in this episode isn't much different than Max Headroom, and is much less interesting. Even when this was first shown on tv, I remember thinking "Oh, Max Headroom needed a job."
Jeff
2025-01-05 20:24:41 +0000 UTChttps://www.patreon.com/posts/118829215?utm_campaign=postshare_fan
Jeffrey
2025-01-05 20:16:18 +0000 UTCA week ago. They combined the 2 episodes into one reaction
Jeffrey
2025-01-05 20:15:12 +0000 UTCI update my assessment. It's not as high as an A- .... but still think no less than a B.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 20:14:18 +0000 UTCD tier for me since I watched it originally. Never felt more for it on any rewatch
Jeffrey
2025-01-05 20:12:47 +0000 UTCI knew you guys wouldn't like this one it was meh for me. The guest star Mat Frewer is actually a fair actor, this just didn't work with him. He played it too much like the Max Headroom character he originated.
Keith S
2025-01-05 20:06:36 +0000 UTCShut up!
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-05 20:05:16 +0000 UTCA lot of people think he's a discount Jim Carrey but to me he'll always be Max Headroom who escaped into real life.
MrTickleTrunk
2025-01-05 20:01:12 +0000 UTCI never skip them and would never skip them. It's all part of the fun!
MrTickleTrunk
2025-01-05 19:57:55 +0000 UTCIncidentally, I dont know if you ever heard this... .but the second number in the stardates is the # of the season that the episode was made. I think there might be some exceptions or inconsistencies. And I think this was true of TOS as well. "Encounter at Farpoint" started on Stardate 41153. This one was 45349.1.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 19:56:13 +0000 UTCA tier for me I actually really like Matt Frewer’s performance and always felt sorry for his character at the end
General Trelane
2025-01-05 19:56:05 +0000 UTCThis one got me! Didn’t see it coming
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-05 19:53:01 +0000 UTCI'm tired of Josh watching these episodes ahead of time and then pretending to guess the outcomes correctly. lol
Darin Wagner
2025-01-05 19:48:16 +0000 UTCThe actor is Matt Frewer, age 67 now. He had a fairly consistent career, though his last movie was 5 years ago. A few recognizable titles, in both TV and film. I won't bore you with a list here. But "Max Headroom" was really big, a few years before this episode... and definitely was the role that put this guy on the map. He was the lead role.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 19:46:19 +0000 UTCThere’s one moment in Picard’s speech when he’s going to amp it up even higher, and you can see Patrick Stewart fighting back a self conscious laugh before diving back into character.
Paul Hess
2025-01-05 19:39:27 +0000 UTCThis is a B- for me. I enjoy his performance and how annoyed all the characters are with him.
Steven Linden
2025-01-05 19:38:37 +0000 UTCAlex, you really hate any new character that challenges our beloved TNG characters.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 19:36:37 +0000 UTCI think the audience and at times our own discussion is becoming too focused on the grading. We will still grade it but I may change it up to make it less of a focal point.
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-05 19:33:02 +0000 UTCYou guys don't recognize MAX HEADROOM?! (Well, now that I think about it... you youngins' wouldn't recognize him. At all.)
Darin Wagner
2025-01-05 19:31:49 +0000 UTCI have never thought of Matt Frewer in comparison to Jim Carrey before. It's so obvious! Good catch, guys. As for me, C- at best. Probably more a D level episode overall.
Collin Freeman
2025-01-05 19:29:28 +0000 UTCJim Carrey was a regular cast member of the very popular "In Living Color."... From 1990 to 1994.... It was sketch comedy. His popularity started there, and then he went into movies.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 19:27:46 +0000 UTCPut your phones away when the episode is playing! Cheese & RICE!
Darin Wagner
2025-01-05 19:27:24 +0000 UTCAh well.
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 19:17:10 +0000 UTCPlease don't, because I've never even considered that.
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 19:16:40 +0000 UTCI cheated and skipped to the end. D-Tier, Josh? Huh? Though not quite an "A," it's a B+ or A-. (EDIT: Okay, a B. ...... A- is also too generous, upon second thought.) I thought the writing was pretty good, the twist was cool, the guest star's performance interesting. But anyways, I'll watch the reaction itself, and then your discussion. I just skipped to the whiteboard ranking.
Tom Occhipinti
2025-01-05 19:16:07 +0000 UTC"If the Enterprise could scream" made me genuinely LOL.
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 19:15:47 +0000 UTCHe also appeared on the SyFy show Eureka.
Christopher Dorn
2025-01-05 19:15:46 +0000 UTCIn retrospect it does seem so, but at this time Carey was a much less famous comic/sketch actor. His big year was 1994, 3 years after this. Fans of Matt Frewer and Jim Carey have accused both men of stealing each others shtick/mannerisms.
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 19:14:35 +0000 UTCIf too many people are just jumping to the whiteboards, maybe place only show each other at first, then randomly reveal them to us during the 30 minute discussion? Keep us guessing for a little longer.
THE Fans
2025-01-05 19:11:09 +0000 UTCTo me, This season with Darmok and this episode and more, is when the show and writers started throwing Patrick Stewart a few more bones to keep him interested. Every actor there has their character down at this point, so-how do you keep them fresh and excited. That must have been like dessert when he read that exposition in the script. So if the story isn't an "S" then at least throw Stewart a few "S" lines occasionally. A different world back in the day when shows had so many episodes a season.
Badger
2025-01-05 19:08:37 +0000 UTCThat's exactly the reason I give it a C. I didn't know the Robin Williams thing at the time. But the apperance of Max Headroom was a pop for me. Although it faded quickly with his performance and the quite boring story.
Sam Langanke
2025-01-05 19:08:31 +0000 UTCI don't think this episode is great by any means, but I feel softer about it than you guys. If I had to grade it right this second, I'd say C. I think I may have even voted B a few weeks ago with the poll, but upon re-watch I think that's too high even for me. I didn't find the guest actor charming, but nonetheless enjoyed him and his unusual 'vibe'. I really like the twist, and I'm always up for watching our heroes save people, so I generally like whenever they rescue a planet or colony. Plus a nice Picard speech is always a bonus. I do agree the crew was too trusting of this guy, but at least they caught him in the end. Previously noticing how Alex can get angry on Data's behalf when a guest character is rude to him, I couldn't help cracking up as he kept getting hotter at Rasmussen. lol.
Forbidden Donut
2025-01-05 19:08:24 +0000 UTCThat’s why I’m considering getting rid of them
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-05 19:02:46 +0000 UTCI actually like this episode, and from the first time I saw it I said "yep that's Walmart Jim Carrey"
Doug
2025-01-05 18:52:54 +0000 UTCMatt Frewer is very much like Jim Carey but was about much earlier. In the late 90s he voiced the YOU DON'T KNOW JACK quiz games series, presumably because he was easily mistaken for Carey who was a bigger star by that point. Fans of both men insist each stole mannerisms of the other. In reality they're probably just two similar sounding men who were trying to get work in the 90s.
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 18:52:09 +0000 UTCYup, the guest was supposed to be Robin Williams, which...goddamn would this have felt different.
Mara
2025-01-05 18:46:13 +0000 UTCAm I the only one, who having seen all of these episodes countless times, skip to the whiteboard grades first, and then go back and watch the reaction?
Turtleboy
2025-01-05 18:45:13 +0000 UTCWe recorded this weeks ago
Josh (Target Audience)
2025-01-05 18:43:19 +0000 UTCIs that a Data Rawhide Wallet? This is a guilty pleasure for me. I enjoy a lot of the scenes and interactions, the picard speeches, etc. But I recognize how clumsy it is overall and have no interest in convincing others to like it.
Paul Hess
2025-01-05 18:43:09 +0000 UTCJennifer Lopez also started out on In Living Color, as one of the dancers
James Bottas
2025-01-05 18:42:12 +0000 UTCFun Fact: The part of Berlinghoff Rasmussen was written for ROBIN WILLIAMS but in the end was played by Matt Frewer whose birthday was yesterday, presumably the day you recorded this video!
Leyton Jay
2025-01-05 18:40:35 +0000 UTCI think this is a really good one, it's A from me.
jon bolton
2025-01-05 18:34:06 +0000 UTCVery much a c tier episode for me but I do love that scene with Picard in the ready room!
Darren Seal
2025-01-05 18:23:22 +0000 UTCRobin Williams was a fan but his schedule prevented him from filming. So HONEY I SHRUNK THE KIDS/MAC'S HEADROOM's Matt Fewer took over.
A G
2025-01-05 18:19:48 +0000 UTCI didn't get any notifications for them
Aramis Calcutt
2025-01-05 18:12:55 +0000 UTCJim Carrey became a household name in the 1990s as a cast member of In Living Color. He was “the white guy”. That would have been airing for at least a couple of seasons when this aired.
Geoffrey Linehan
2025-01-05 18:03:56 +0000 UTCWow my take was what Josh wrote on the whiteboard
Phil Ken Sebben
2025-01-05 18:01:04 +0000 UTCYeah ... Bad episode
Eric Singer
2025-01-05 17:47:12 +0000 UTCthe only thing of interest this episode is how Picard is on the other side of his normal position when it comes to the prime directive, he normally unwilling to break it regardless of the cost that position will cause, but here with the temporal equivalent he willing to try to get another to break their prime directive for his moral reasons
Dark Kronis
2025-01-05 17:45:53 +0000 UTCMatt Frewer was famous in the 80s for a character he portrayed named Max Headroom, I'm not surprised you don't recognize him, it was before your time, you should check it out
The_Truth
2025-01-05 17:41:59 +0000 UTCJim Carey was quite famous on TV before Ace Ventura. His skits on In Living Color made the show a hit and his performances were often aped.
THE LORE!!!
2025-01-05 17:38:29 +0000 UTCA Matter of Time sucks
Zack
2025-01-05 17:36:29 +0000 UTCJust happens to have been Matt Frewer's 67th birthday yesterday 🎂
James Bottas
2025-01-05 17:36:14 +0000 UTCThey've done 7 and 8
James Bottas
2025-01-05 17:28:32 +0000 UTCMaybe I missed it but you guys are doing Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country then Ep. 7 & 8 together? You just skipped ahead?
A G
2025-01-05 17:24:47 +0000 UTC
