PATRON TIER LIST TNG S5E7
Added 2024-12-16 14:24:57 +0000 UTCWhat tier do you rate Star Trek TNG S5E7?
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They wanted people to watch it, and, back then, if you missed it it was much harder to rewatch somewhere.
Kevin Is Sexy
2025-01-06 15:41:38 +0000 UTCyou must admit this is quite a palate cleanser after the last episode
Dark Kronis
2024-12-26 16:57:51 +0000 UTCI wish this had been a surprise but the advertising spoiled that. I was eager to watch it. Sarah, Spock… what more can you say. S
Crankygrandma
2024-12-19 21:13:53 +0000 UTCTwo of my favorite moments are when the Klingon Captain tells Data a Romulan woman will lick the paint off of his ears, And when Piccard tells Data, he’s moving about in a very android way Oh yeah, and there was this really old Vulcan guy who showed up at the end
Thicketdweller
2024-12-18 08:11:55 +0000 UTCI mean look, this is master-class ST goodness. I mean SPOOOCK! And Sarek and Picard are amazing together. But honestly, TNG in this period did more to build ST canon than anything before or after really. The way they turned the Ferengi, Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, and even Federation into such amazingly fleshed out groups, all with their own believable goals and actions added so much depth and investment into the whole franchise for me. AND we got to see something like a Federation ship boneyard, and I love little bits of world-building like that. S-Tier.
Boggle
2024-12-18 04:18:21 +0000 UTCCould hardly recognize Data as a romulan. Picard still looked like picard as a romulan.
Keith S
2024-12-18 01:45:34 +0000 UTCI think we’re all looking forward to what promises to be an explosive reaction to Spock’s picture in the teaser! Sadly for us that saw this in 1991, it was advertised all over the place (TV Guide, billboards, a week-worth of episode teasers) so we were spoiled. Thoroughly enjoy this episode. The idea of Spock being on Romulus is compelling. A good example of why Data would make a terrible bunk mate. Love the guest characters. Shout out to Steven Root from Office Space fame (red stapler) as K’vada and of course to Malachi Throne (Commodore Mendez from Menagerie) as Pardek. It was sad to see Sarek in his diminished state, and his death marks the first time we lost a major TOS character.
Column Meanie
2024-12-18 00:04:48 +0000 UTCThe Next Generation had already paved its own path by then, but having Spock on the show really legitimized the series and removed all doubt that this was Star Trek. “Unification” came to also mean the bringing together of fans of The Original Series with those of The Next Generation!
Raphael Gaytan
2024-12-17 21:22:20 +0000 UTCIn November 1991, I worked at a restaurant/sports bar called Bennigan’s in Houston. Normally reserved for sports, their big screens were all tuned in on this particular night to Star Trek: The Next Generation. When the words, “Indeed? You have found him, Captain Picard.” were uttered and Spock appeared, there was CHEERING from all over the restaurant!! What a moment in time. That memory is indelibly imprinted on my soul! 🖖
Raphael Gaytan
2024-12-17 21:13:04 +0000 UTCBest ever use of “computer, enhance”.
John Pierce
2024-12-17 19:07:22 +0000 UTCI liked this episode. Seeing Spock again was awesome and unexpected, but overall, the story was just an A for me. It didn't really hit that specialness that I was hoping for. Still a good episode, and the Klingons razzing Picard and Data was hilarious, but it could have just been a little...more. Not bad in any regard, just missing that...spark.
wildhunt1973
2024-12-17 18:32:56 +0000 UTCIf your mics peak when Spock comes on screen, then you’re definitively Trek fans for sure. Great intrigue and setup for this episode, easy S.
cricketlenny
2024-12-17 17:01:41 +0000 UTCIn the first season there were a few references to TOS that felt unearned, today one could call them member berries. When Sarek was in the show they were pretty careful not to constantly reference anything from TOS, treating the character mostly like any other guest star. By now TNG is established enough that having the possibly most iconic Star Trek character of all time in the show feels special yet not desperate.
Tim b
2024-12-17 14:58:37 +0000 UTCWas it a surprise? I hope it was a surprise! Two or three surprises hopefully!
rear adm. crackbiscuit
2024-12-17 10:29:33 +0000 UTCIn those days the term 'fan service' didn't exist.
Sam Langanke
2024-12-17 08:42:49 +0000 UTCNever made that connection. Thanks.
Shanelle
2024-12-17 07:47:00 +0000 UTCI read somewhere, I'm not sure it's correct. Even though they posted an in memory announcement for Gene Rodenbery on part 1 and 2. He actually passed when they were filming episode 11.
Keith S
2024-12-17 06:43:21 +0000 UTC"Indeed, you have found him, Captain Picard." A somewhat eerie timing of the original airing of this episode in that it occurred just after Gene Roddenberry had passed away. Circle of life in a way for Leonard Nimoy as Spock, who had been the only remaining cast member to make it into the original series from Roddenberry's very first Star Trek pilot, The Cage; also, Malachi Throne (Pardek), who provided the original voice of the Keeper in that pilot and later played Commodore Mendez in The Menagerie, the TOS 2-parter that featured most of The Cage. You can still hear his voice as the Keeper in the remastered Cage in the couple of scenes from the Cage that were not in The Menagerie.
Collin Freeman
2024-12-17 04:12:41 +0000 UTCThis episode has a bonafide Go-ron in it. 🤦
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:51:42 +0000 UTCHe also played Jimmy James, macho business donkey wrestler, on the TV show Newsradio.
Matthew McKinnon-Gray
2024-12-17 03:46:56 +0000 UTCI think this episode is pretty good. As "A" as it gets.
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:44:37 +0000 UTCI wonder which you two will react to stronger: the appearance of Spock, or a mid-season two-parter.
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:42:44 +0000 UTCMasterful direction, masterful performance!
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:41:07 +0000 UTCDid not know that! 🤯
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:35:32 +0000 UTCR.I.P. Sarek
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:29:08 +0000 UTCThey will recognize him immediately, even by his voice which we hear first.
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:28:02 +0000 UTCI think the level of fan service or fan fic is minimal.
Jovet
2024-12-17 03:26:25 +0000 UTCAh yes, the episode with the eel pick up line (a 14 foot eel proving that size does in fact matter)! Picard and Data go undercover - Riker doesn't probably because he would hookup with a female Romulan and compromise the mission. A great hook, superb guest performances including another TOS crossover. What's not to love about it? I rated it S tier.
barry vanwieringen
2024-12-17 03:18:00 +0000 UTCHard to separate how much is the effect but fan service and how much is the fact that it's a very good episode. Still very good episode. Between a S and A. I went S.
Greg Quinn
2024-12-17 01:38:57 +0000 UTCwhat can i saw about seven, Great Episode, Sarek, Romulans, Spock what more do you need its for sure an S tier.
GamingHour2018
2024-12-17 00:57:17 +0000 UTCAbsolutely great episode. A lot of wonderful little things that get touched on -- Sarek, the Klingon representative for Gowron, the teasing of Spock, Data watching Picard sleep.
Ian Westcott
2024-12-17 00:16:14 +0000 UTCMark Lenard did a convention in my home town one summer. At a Radisson hotel right on Main Street. I regret that we couldn’t go. 😥
tyranusfan
2024-12-16 23:55:30 +0000 UTCI love the fact that they are the Federation’s OCD people. They manage grand strategy and organize fleet junkyards. 😁
tyranusfan
2024-12-16 23:51:24 +0000 UTCMy 3rd wife was somehow a bigger TREK fan than I was, at least the "newer" series, she hated TOS. She would come home from work and binge watch TNG, though I introduced her to DS9, VOY and ENT, which she worked into her binging rotation. I lost count of how many time we'd decide which series to watch next. So, our 9 years together, plus any binge watching I did (my original VHS purchases of full price movies were Star Trek 2 and 3 in the gold sleeve, in early 80s) ... I probably have seen Unification 1 and 2 dozens of times ... The hype of the guest stars returning has worn down for them. They are good episodes, but not great. However, since the guys will be seeing these for the first time, I predict solid S votes from both, for both episodes.
THE Fans
2024-12-16 23:24:38 +0000 UTCI think there just might be a bigger "pop" later this season, but maybe it's just me.
KatWithAttitude
2024-12-16 23:11:09 +0000 UTCI would say this episode is why people shouldn't watch TNG before TOS, as it dulls the stakes of movies 2 & 3. But you guys were more ambivelant on 2 anyways.
Nolan
2024-12-16 22:39:27 +0000 UTCI'll bet the under for the hook. I think there will be a lot of head shaking and, "Wait, is that Spock?" I think the bigger pop might come in the opening credits when they see that both Spock and Sarek are in the same episode.
KevinH
2024-12-16 22:31:08 +0000 UTCOne word from Riker - "Understood..." - speaking volumes here
The Ninth Doctor
2024-12-16 22:16:39 +0000 UTCI think it'll be bigger for them than it was for us back in the day, as we had the previews the week before to alert us.
tyranusfan
2024-12-16 22:16:26 +0000 UTCZakdorn - the same race as the wargame strategist Kolrami in "Peak Performance" 👍🏼
The Ninth Doctor
2024-12-16 22:15:04 +0000 UTCBiggest opening hook pop since "Yesterday's Enterprise" - gotta be. Bigger hook pop *than* "Yesterday's Enterprise", though? Discuss...
The Ninth Doctor
2024-12-16 22:14:18 +0000 UTCPredict you will love this one. This was intended as a way to amp up excitement for the upcoming 6th movie.
tyranusfan
2024-12-16 22:12:13 +0000 UTCSo much to love in this episode: Spock, Sarek, Picard, Data, Romulans ...
Frank Tagader
2024-12-16 21:43:28 +0000 UTCI love the supply depot guy.
Steven Linden
2024-12-16 21:26:35 +0000 UTCI remember watching Spock in TNG was a total shock for me. He seemed to come out of nowhere. With marketing, dubbing and all that Star Trek VI arrived much later to Central Europe, so I didn't experience the hype for the original crew at the time yet.
Sam Langanke
2024-12-16 21:26:00 +0000 UTCHe was 203 years old, with a degenerative terminal condition back in Season 3, to be fair...
The Ninth Doctor
2024-12-16 21:14:30 +0000 UTCPerfect S - not a Spock episode to me, but more a Sarek episode - concluding his fatherhood themes started back in "Journey to Babel", continued in "Yesteryear" and the movies, concluding so powerfully in "Sarek" and here. And what a hook... How do you guys feel about Sareks ending, and what are your predictions for Part 2? Is Spock defecting..?
The Ninth Doctor
2024-12-16 21:07:37 +0000 UTCThis Episode is ok, but is mainly putting things in place for part 2, so is really acts 1-1.5 of story so really isn't much of an episode in of itself, so really only a B for me. Mark Leonard as Sarek for his scene is amazing though.
Thomas Cole
2024-12-16 20:54:35 +0000 UTCEveryone's gonna want to talk about Sarek and Spock. But let's throw some respect behind this episode's real hero: the guy running the depot who's honest enough to say, "I'll help you, but only because I'm lonely and Troi is hot".
Ally Roth
2024-12-16 20:50:04 +0000 UTCIIRC you both expressed concern in the discussion for Sarek that he would be brought back just to kill off, which unfortunately ended up being the case. Malachi Throne (Pardek) is another TOS connection as he had previously played Commodore Mendez in The Menagerie, and also voice one of the Talosians. I have a question. Outside of Star Trek 6, did either of you ever expect to see Leonard Nimoy play Spock again?
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-12-16 20:01:57 +0000 UTCS tier. It seems like important thing are happening, because that's the plot
harrypothead42024
2024-12-16 19:52:47 +0000 UTCThe hook! S for Spock, S for Sarek, S for Superior episode, S for Star Trek Super two parter !
Sixto
2024-12-16 19:31:23 +0000 UTCI hope no one spoils or has spoiled Spock for you. Looking forward to the holy shit reaction.
Turtleboy
2024-12-16 18:23:51 +0000 UTCSurprise! You thought you had to wait till "6" to see OGs again. But RIP to the GOAT. I predict this will be quite a rollercoaster of an episode for you. Spock is BACK. The Romulan homeworld. Crew dress up. Data being, well, Data. But they did exactly what Josh feared was gonna happen in "Sarek."
Nolan
2024-12-16 18:23:36 +0000 UTCWe begin with a memorial to Gene Roddenberry. And has Spock turned into a traitor? He's around, but where is he and what's he up to? And sadly, Sarek dies without once again making peace with his son. It's fun to see Picard and Data made up with detachable Romulan parts. Mark Lenard's last scenes are heartbreaking. Another Season 5 “Best of the Best” for me.
KatWithAttitude
2024-12-16 18:19:50 +0000 UTCSarek absolutely steals this episode for me. Mark Lenard’s performance in his one and only scene is a master class. Honorable mentions- pixelated Spock hook, creepy watch-you-while-you-sleep Data, and Spock’s closing line giving all the chills.
Shanelle
2024-12-16 18:06:17 +0000 UTCSecond TNG/King of the hill actor to appear
Phil Ken Sebben
2024-12-16 17:59:51 +0000 UTCI mean.. that hook.. common :D Also... Riker understanding when Picard talks about "Fathers and sons" is a nice callback to his own relationship to his dad from "The Icarus Factor" :)
Andreas Schmitt
2024-12-16 17:49:01 +0000 UTCPicard helping his "old friend" make the salute one last time...heartbreaking. RIP Sarek of Vulcan - and Mark Lenard. The GOAT of all GOATS.
Mister Hope
2024-12-16 17:10:57 +0000 UTCNow that’s a hook!
Jon1701
2024-12-16 17:05:33 +0000 UTCThere is a lot of scenes I love in this one, the Sarek one, the scenes on the Bird of Prey, but Romulus looks a little dreary in comparison to the Klingon home world. The very definition of set up but it does hold my interest.
Darren Seal
2024-12-16 17:00:13 +0000 UTCWorf: 'I serve the Federation, but I am still a Klingon' Ro: 'I serve the Federation, but I'm still a Bajoran' Spock: 'I serve the Federation, but I'm still a Vulcan' Whose 'conflicting culture' character moments are best?
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-12-16 16:58:32 +0000 UTCI'm the odd one out on this one. I don't care for either pt 1 or pt 2 of unification. I know people love it because of the cameos, but to me the overall plot doesn't make a lot of sense and is disappointing. I wanted a meatier story of what was going on with the Romulans and Spock, and it was always sad to me that Spock and Sarek didn't resolve their differences before his death. Love TNG cast and they get some fun moments but it's not enough to raise this above a B for me.
Kristina Weber
2024-12-16 16:34:11 +0000 UTCI think you guys will like this one. When I watched this the first time, I didn’t really know about TOS and had not seen Sarek. So a lot of this went over my head. I probably would have rated it a B at the time.
Sainjl
2024-12-16 16:32:21 +0000 UTCThat Data scene with Picard trying to sleep is S tier on its own.
TomEmilioDavies
2024-12-16 16:31:50 +0000 UTCMOTHERFUCKING SPOCK
TomEmilioDavies
2024-12-16 16:29:42 +0000 UTCI really hope you were 100% unspoiled for this
Jeffrey
2024-12-16 16:24:42 +0000 UTCIt coincided with the promotion of Star Trek VI and also the old network "sweeps" period where the ratings of episodes around October / November informed decisions companies made about advertising rates and future seasons of shows. It was a big deal to have the crossover episodes at that time. In Season 4 during the sweeps period you had 2 "big" episodes as well - "Reunion" and "Future Imperfect" - followed by Wesley's "Final Mission" before the break.
Paul Rymer
2024-12-16 16:22:29 +0000 UTCIt's hard to top the vibes of seeing Mr. Spock show up on TNG.
Forbidden Donut
2024-12-16 16:11:12 +0000 UTCY'all are gonna freak out/geek out for this episode and Part II, because there's really nothing as synonymous with Star Trek as Mr. Spock. Also, some Sarek sprinkled in, some sadness, a mystery to investigate, the Romulans.... I mean, there's really nothing to dislike about this episode or the next one.
John
2024-12-16 16:07:32 +0000 UTCOkay half a decade, should have researched that. My bad.
Keith S
2024-12-16 15:47:15 +0000 UTC1000% 😂 Needs his own episode for sure
Darin Starr
2024-12-16 15:45:56 +0000 UTCNearly perfect S episode and it’s all just setup to get us to the last scene. Worf requesting Klingon opera is priceless as is Amarie’s response: “I don’t get a lot of requests for Klingon opera”. I loved Riker joining her on the keys. Always love when Frakes gets to bring some of his real-life musician personality to Riker.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-12-16 15:35:26 +0000 UTCHe actually played Doctor Spock in the original program too
Banes
2024-12-16 15:29:25 +0000 UTCTrue! Stephen Root as a Klingon is a guest appearance for the ages!
Banes
2024-12-16 15:28:20 +0000 UTCEasy S. Heartbreaking performance by a returning guest star. The Klingon captain is also the red stapler guy from "Office Space."
Darin Wagner
2024-12-16 15:27:00 +0000 UTCMark Lenard died five years after this in 1996.
Ron Hubbard Jr
2024-12-16 15:26:14 +0000 UTCThe "ENHANCE!" trope might bring you from the biggest flip from an eye roll to pop off ever. This two-parter is so hot it's kind of wild in retrospect they didn't make this a season finale/premiere. Man that last Sarek scene hits really hard for anyone who has dealt with a dying family member with their moments of lucidity. I never thought they could hit that note effectively again after "Sarek".
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-12-16 15:09:59 +0000 UTCCan't wait to see your reaction to this one. Also it's a great lead in to star trek 6. Yes Sarek dies. I seem to recall Mark Leonard passing away not too long after this aired.
Keith S
2024-12-16 15:08:57 +0000 UTCSarek, Spock and Romulans oh my!!
Gregory
2024-12-16 15:08:52 +0000 UTCMy prediction: biggest pop of the season. He may have been name-dropped at the beginning of the episode, but seeing the GOAT’s son for the first time since Star Trek 5 is really gonna send you.
Evan Guthrie
2024-12-16 15:02:37 +0000 UTCPardek was Malachi Throne, who played Commodore Mendez in “The Menagerie” and also provided the voice of the principal Talosian.
James H
2024-12-16 15:02:22 +0000 UTCJosh: I hope they don’t bring back Sarek to kill him off…… 👀
LonghillAndy
2024-12-16 15:00:07 +0000 UTCWhat an episode to end the year on! Thats what I call good timing!. Even though I think you guys watch episode 8 and 9 right after this one. But still.
Sebastian_Frodo
2024-12-16 14:59:33 +0000 UTCSurprise!
Eric Wilson
2024-12-16 14:56:11 +0000 UTCAs we've been seeing, this show has started to not be afraid of going a bit dark and depressing. The last appearance of Sarek is heartbreaking, and I'm sure it must hit very hard for someone who has lost a parent in this way.
Joe Concepts
2024-12-16 14:54:38 +0000 UTCThis has the potential to be the biggest 'pop' in history. 🤯🤯
Alan F
2024-12-16 14:53:43 +0000 UTCSo i'm happy we get to see one last gasp of Sarek, he really delivers on these scenes of an old man with the Vulcan equivalent of dementia. The quick anger, the other emotions that fire through... similar to real dementia. It's crazy to see him affected so. And Spock is back! Also what do you think that soup on Romulus tasted of? Similar to plomeeK?
Connor Fallon
2024-12-16 14:53:39 +0000 UTCOnly criticism maybe you could have for this is they save Spock for that very last scene, but what comes before it is good enough that it works fine.
Joe Concepts
2024-12-16 14:53:17 +0000 UTCSo great you guys don't get know anything about these. It's understandable back in the day that they wanted to promote these episodes and "spoil" guest stars, but it must be interesting going in completely blind. But since they did it right away in the opening scene it wouldn't spoil much, really.
Joe Concepts
2024-12-16 14:52:13 +0000 UTCLet's all take a second to pour one out for our boy, the GOAT, Sarek. IMO, this is Mark Lenard's best performance of the character. We see all those defenses broken down that we saw during his mindmeld with Picard, but now performed by the man himself.
THE LORE!!!
2024-12-16 14:51:11 +0000 UTCS rank for Brent Spiner comedic performance with Picard, the way he slowly turns his body without moving his head, amazing
Dark Kronis
2024-12-16 14:50:45 +0000 UTCGood not great episode, but seeing The GOAT be himself is always amazing and I do predict this will an S-tier "lose your shit" reaction moment
Darin Starr
2024-12-16 14:48:08 +0000 UTC+1 to the community for not spoiling this one. Unbelievable guest star… Stephen Root from King of the Hill (Bill) and Office Space (Milton)!! S
Phil Ken Sebben
2024-12-16 14:45:50 +0000 UTCYou will lose your minds!
Anthony Goodwin
2024-12-16 14:43:03 +0000 UTC