PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG S4E10
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Oooh you wanted a Dianna episode ? Well THERE ! Lol 2 things, I hate how they wrote Troi in this, and 2. I don’t know shit about technology, but I love the Technobable cause they have a RESON for shit, they don’t just turn left. Guinan IS a better counselor !
Sixto
2024-09-12 06:50:17 +0000 UTCThis is the emotional, annoying Troi that I dislike with some intensity. She Can be written well, but this is not it.
Cirk Bejnar
2024-09-11 23:14:44 +0000 UTCWould have been A or B tier if Troi's struggles were very internal instead of what we got which was everyone dealing with her not taking it well externally. Missed chance for great character development. Execution, execution, execution.
Chris Mickelson
2024-09-11 18:18:27 +0000 UTCHaha point taken
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-09-11 15:09:15 +0000 UTCI don't believe there's anything Geordi could tell Deanna that she doesn't already know. She is a psychologist, after all. As Doctor Crusher tried to point out, understanding the psychology is one thing, but living with it is another. Only Deanna can learn herself how to live with(out) it. I think the real twist on this story is it's a sense that most people can't empathize with because they've never had it.
Jovet
2024-09-11 13:01:00 +0000 UTCWell that's all right then. Because Geordie had to live with his disability all his life, he would have no relevant input on what Deanna is going through, because it's not like having a disability presents challenges every damn day. No, because that's Geordie's "normal" since childhood, he's already well adjusted and never has to struggle with being disabled. Just like how having glasses or contacts means I can see far better than I would without them, though still not as good as a person with the regular range of vision, which means I'm totally fine with constantly having to overcome things well-sighted people take for granted because we live in a world designed to best accomodate them and not me. It's not like Geordie nor I would have any practical advice for Deanna on overcoming challenges in a world where things are a bit more difficult for us, or how to accept and overcome our limitations. Nor would we be good support because surely our perspective doesn't matter to someone adjusting to a new normal. And since I was born with eye issues and then diagnosed with MS in my 20s, I can tell you it doesn't make a damn bit of difference WHEN someone gets a disability, it sucks all the same, because it is a constant game of adaptation and trying to overcome, and yeah, that initial loss is gonna be hard, but for both Troi and the episode to not have that conversation with Geordie, to sideline the only other disabled character on the show in an episode supposedly about adjusting to and accepting a disability, does a disservice to the premise, and the characters. Yeah, Troi learns all her lessons about over coming her new adversity, but a scene with Geordie could've really highlighted what having a disability is actually like. Instead the episode is all about Troi and more about her feelings than it is about the realities of having a disability. And THAT is the conversation La Forge and Deanna should've had and it would've been the heart of the episode.
Nolan
2024-09-11 10:12:16 +0000 UTCThere's a big difference between preaching it and living it.
Jovet
2024-09-11 09:36:11 +0000 UTCFair...but...two episodes of this...😬
Greg Quinn
2024-09-11 09:03:50 +0000 UTCThat analogy still doesn't work, Geordi never lost the sense of sight, he was born without it, being blind is his "normal". He cannot understand how Troi feels losing a sense as an adult. Geordi taking his Visor off by choice is not even remotely similar.
Phillip Grischa
2024-09-11 07:34:01 +0000 UTCCertainly an interesting idea that probably could have been executed better. In many ways I blame the B-plot: it’s hard to feel like there’s a threat from a space anomaly without at least seeing what it does to a ship. I do enjoy some of the Riker and Troi moments, especially the moment where he holds her. Her anger is real: people experiencing a personal loss strike out those around them. Ultimately she learns she doesn’t need the sense to help solve the problem.
Column Meanie
2024-09-11 00:26:57 +0000 UTCThose are the episode where I with TNG was a bit more like DS9. They would have done it, or at least give it *some* lasting consequences.
Tim b
2024-09-10 22:12:15 +0000 UTCStar Trek just needs the POV Gun.
Jovet
2024-09-10 22:06:32 +0000 UTCExactly! It's just like Dr. Crusher states: “You may understand it, but you've never had to live with it. ”
Jovet
2024-09-10 22:04:20 +0000 UTCIt was a really good touch. No pun intended.
Jovet
2024-09-10 22:02:23 +0000 UTC@Phillip Grischa I also found it pretty ironic that it's Geordi who makes the quip about "it's a shame we don't know if they're sentient" (and Troi takes that personally and blows up).
Jovet
2024-09-10 21:56:42 +0000 UTCI've always found it a bit disturbing how Riker went to Troi's quarters (the second time) to give her some comfort, and within seconds was accusing her of having "control issues" and deeply criticizing her. What he said is all true, but that's hardly the time to tell her all that.
Jovet
2024-09-10 21:55:17 +0000 UTCEpisode is okay just okay but could probably have been written for a little bit more professional take from Troi. Shes an interesting character who its very obvious they don't really have a handle on how to write. As an aside, from here on out the episode trailer music changes. The new track is a library track called "Communique" by David Reilly.
Nathan Koga
2024-09-10 18:22:45 +0000 UTCLots of hate on Deanna's character. To me, that's a lazy response. You may not like how she acts in this, so be it. However, she just lost a sense that she utilized quite alot in her profession. Naturally she is going to feel alot of fear and striking out at your loved ones is a normal response. Her true friends will know this and give her the leeway she needs to find her way back to a "normal" state. This story takes place in such a short period, you can't get through all the stages of grief. I don't consider her an elitist at all.
Haven SMM
2024-09-10 18:00:12 +0000 UTCIn my humble opinion: maybe the worst episode of season four. Definitely in the bottom five. Plenty of great episodes...but this ain't one of them
Greg Quinn
2024-09-10 17:43:45 +0000 UTCTroi: "How do you people live like this? No one can understand the struggle I'm going through!" (Geordi removes his VISOR and tosses it at her feet) La Forge: No one, Counselor? Troi: Oh, Geordie! La Forge: Could you pick that up for me? Woulda snapped her out of her self-pity and made the episode about living in a world not built to accomodate you and the struggle of adaptation those with disabilities, such as myself have to make, instead of struggling with the acceptance of being "normal."
Nolan
2024-09-10 17:09:43 +0000 UTCAs always, it's a Guinan scene that can salvage a meh episode. Guinan counseling the counselor was the highlight of the episode.
JGoss
2024-09-10 17:04:50 +0000 UTCSpeaking as a man who was born with vision bad enough to be classed as legaly blind, that doesn't matter. Yes, the episode is about Troi's loss, but the resolution to that is her adapting to and fitting into a world that experiences life differently than she has. Geordie still does not see like everyone else. When he takes off his VISOR or loses it in The Enemy, he must adapt. He is the one person Troi knows who knows what it is like to be percieved differently because of his disability. If she had raged at him about how no one can understand the struggle she's facing, his answer would've been to remove his VISOR, hand it to her and say, "no one?" And it would snapped her out of her self-pity and into discussing how to live in a world where she no longer has it so easy. To see what it's like to live in a world not built to accomodate her, just like those with mobility issues have to navigate our world, and the ways those with disabilities either get by with technological advancements, or adaptation. Instead it's an episode about a suddenly disabled person having to accept the struggle of being "normal."
Nolan
2024-09-10 16:57:43 +0000 UTCI get what you’re saying but I look at it a tough love from Riker.
marty63026
2024-09-10 16:57:19 +0000 UTCThis is one of those episodes where the need to wrap everything up in 45 minutes does a disservice to the story. Troi’s reaction to losing her abilities is understandable but cramming it into too short a time makes her seem a little hysterical.
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-09-10 16:49:03 +0000 UTCGeordi was born blind, he never experienced losing a sense as an adult. He'd have as much of an idea what she was going through as the rest of the crew.
Phillip Grischa
2024-09-10 16:27:19 +0000 UTCAll I'm saying is that there's a big difference between being emotionally compromised and displacing that onto others
Evan Guthrie
2024-09-10 16:23:32 +0000 UTCBut that was a different situation, in The Survivors she tried to hide that she was suffering, in The Loss she developed a disability that fundamentally changed how she experienced the world and made her doubt that she could continue her career.
Phillip Grischa
2024-09-10 16:19:49 +0000 UTCAh, I see the TA's favorite director has returned! Surely they'll like this one just as much as the last one he did 🙃
Elway Simpson
2024-09-10 16:13:18 +0000 UTCWhy was there no scene of Troi talking to La Forge about living with a disability? The man was RIGHT there in many scenes. Great as Guinan is, that scene should have been with Geordi.
Nolan
2024-09-10 16:12:24 +0000 UTCI love this episode and I love how Troi acts, even in the 24th century with all its advancements suddenly developing a disability would be traumatizing. At the same time I dislike how Riker talked to her, unlike her he had no excuse to act like this, it felt like he was kicking her while she was already down.
Phillip Grischa
2024-09-10 16:05:08 +0000 UTCI would expect her to act more like she did during The Survivors, rather than lashing out at her crewmates.
Evan Guthrie
2024-09-10 15:53:08 +0000 UTCI'd like to see how well adjusted you'd be on day 1 after suddenly going blind.
Phillip Grischa
2024-09-10 15:50:58 +0000 UTCComing to terms with the loss of a sense must be an incredibly difficult experience and to Betazoids their empathic abilities would be like another sense. But I can't help feel they could have approached it better.
Angarl
2024-09-10 15:42:28 +0000 UTCI actually enjoy this episode. I like to see how the crew comes together to solve the mystery and giving Troi a bit more is always good. It’s not perfect, and she does come off a bit (or a lot) petulant, but overall i really like this look into her personality.
Connor Fallon
2024-09-10 15:38:23 +0000 UTCD-tier. Troi acting like a rich girl without access to her credit cards, just doesn't do it for me.
Chris Mickelson
2024-09-10 15:31:25 +0000 UTCI guess this is a hot take, but I like this episode a lot for the same reason that other people don't. Deanna is not a perfect victim, and I love how badly she takes her loss. Developing a disability well into adulthood is incredibly traumatizing and it was great to finally give an episode to Marina and I think she finally had a chance to really shine.
Deep Red
2024-09-10 14:01:56 +0000 UTCI'd say D tier but I personally can't stand Troi as a character. She's like the great value Guinan. The way she acts when she loses her power makes me like her even less.
Spencer Loften
2024-09-10 13:54:31 +0000 UTCThe way Troy gets startled by Guinan reminds me of how Tam Elbran got startled by Data in Tin Man. Circumstance were a little different. However it showed how a sense you take for granted leaves a big hole when it dosent work.
Keith S
2024-09-10 13:48:08 +0000 UTCI think most people consider this to be a C-tier episode, mainly because Troi doesn't rank as most people's favorite character. But I think the acting and plot is actually very solid if you apply some empathy. Imaging your whole life you can simply sense how others are feeling, and then one day, that magical ability is gone. You would feel so naked, vulnerable, lost... so Diana's reaction makes total sense. Pure panic that no one else can truly comprehend.
Paul
2024-09-10 13:18:17 +0000 UTCStrikes me as pretty realistic.
Jovet
2024-09-10 12:50:00 +0000 UTCI love this episode. It definitely fits the "doctors make the worst patients" pattern!
Jovet
2024-09-10 12:49:31 +0000 UTCThis episode could have been a good hard reset for Troi if she permanently lost her abilities. It would have given her a long term character development arc in the show to try to re-learn her job without being an empath and maybe even chosing to do something else on the ship.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-09-10 12:45:19 +0000 UTC"If you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it."
Evan Guthrie
2024-09-10 12:25:24 +0000 UTCI think it’s really interesting. She does act bratty but from her perspective this is a career ending event, Troy does not know she’s going to get her empathic abilities back. She is so dependent on her ability to sense others emotions and feelings that she’s totally lost without that ability and she is scared, that’s why she acts so out of character. Just my 2 cents…
marty63026
2024-09-10 12:16:17 +0000 UTCHow do you feel about Troi’s reaction to losing her power? Some say it’s traumatizing to lose one of your senses, but I feel like her actions were bratty, petty, and inexcusable.
Evan Guthrie
2024-09-10 12:12:57 +0000 UTC
