PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG - Season 3 Episode 23
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I think it could go either way on this episode if they like it or not. I know they’re going to really enjoy seeing Sarek but I believe they’re going to figure out what’s happening way before the crew does and that’s an aspect of an episode I believe they don’t care for. The mystery of what’s happening is part of the main intrigue of the episode. But seeing Sarek again is a definite plus and channeling Sarek’s inner emotions so Sarek doesn’t have to feel them is a great acting job by Patrick Stewart.
Steve777
2024-07-17 23:13:27 +0000 UTCI could be wrong, but I understood this episode as Picard channeling what is going on inside Sarek, the emotional turmoil, not his (Picard’s) feelings. Picard is bearing Sarek’s inner turmoil and we are seeing what is going on inside of Sarek so that Sarek doesn’t feel his emotions and can carry on his duties.
Steve777
2024-07-17 22:37:41 +0000 UTCRobin Curtis, who portrayed Saavik in 'Treks 3 and 4, has been heard on numerous occasions (live and in on-camera interviews) stating she's well aware of this aspect of TNG's "Sarek" (that Spock married) and welcomes fandom's idea that it's her character, based upon what happened with Spock on the Genesis planet in ST 3, as his younger self underwent those fast year-changes as the Genesis planet approached its destruction - and experienced the Ponn Far. Robin Curtis is totally with that idea.
Rhett Coates
2024-07-17 18:15:09 +0000 UTCSarek had a special bond with Kirk, given what Kirk went through to search for Spock…but what Sarek shared with Picard was an even greater bond…and in the end, Picard knew Sarek perhaps better than anyone! Alex and Josh…can you believe the MOTHER of all bangers is yet to come?!
Raphael Gaytan
2024-07-16 23:10:53 +0000 UTCThis is the episode that basically told you that Patrick Stewart would win an Emmy, cause if he didn’t for this he never would
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-07-16 22:50:32 +0000 UTCCan’t wait to see your reaction to this one! This is in my opinion is the 2nd best episode of season 3. The acting in this one is off the chain especially for the guest stars. I also wanted to let you know how what you guys are doing is very cool. I grew up with TOS in reruns every Saturday and later TAS first run. Watching TOS in reruns was very different than what you are experiencing. Every market was different but one getting one episode a week, it took about a year and a half to get through the series. Point is, there was not other way to watch it and if you missed an episode it took awhile to see it. Also there was no broadcast order, totally random in reruns in my market.
marty63026
2024-07-16 21:33:37 +0000 UTCPop
Eric Singer
2024-07-16 20:57:31 +0000 UTCWesley and Geordi arguing about their success with women (or lack thereof). Gotta love it.
Screaming Frog
2024-07-16 18:59:49 +0000 UTCTwo is even worse!
Column Meanie
2024-07-16 16:35:53 +0000 UTCThey won’t like it because the story gives it all away to the audience and they dislike that obvious “we know but the cast doesn’t” trope. Hopefully the acting shines through for them.
Ross Townsend
2024-07-16 15:21:48 +0000 UTCWhat the hell happened to the captain since his visit to Risa? Where's the Ferengi-punching, dame-saving, time-and-space-swashbuckling-archaeology-adventure-man?! Crying like a bitch because of some EMOTIONS and FEELINGS?! ...not my Indiana Picard!
ellmo
2024-07-16 11:49:51 +0000 UTCIt's so sad to see an aging political figure in such obvious mental decline that even his closest aides can't cover for him anymore. Oh, and Sarek's story isn't very cheery either.
Jeff Cornell
2024-07-16 11:45:37 +0000 UTCI think the daughter idea was something they considered but never went with. IIRC it was only mentioned in the novelisation of the Wrath of Kahn. David asked her if she was his daughter and she vehemently denied it. Given she boinked Spock in the Search for Spock I hope we can rule out the daughter thing.
Lincynity
2024-07-16 07:22:39 +0000 UTCOh my god, Chekhov turning evil is so stupid I kinda want to see it now.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-07-16 06:19:31 +0000 UTCConsidering ST3:TSFS I certainly hope not his daughter 😬
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-07-16 04:20:04 +0000 UTCAnd of course, this is the return of the same actor for Sarek from TOS, so this is the... second case in which a character from the Original Series gets a cameo? First one since the Pilot with DeForest Kelley, I think. I love this episode. You get top tier acting from Patrick Stewart and Mark Lenard in particular. If you don't love this, I'll be EXTREMELY surprised.
John
2024-07-16 04:19:15 +0000 UTCSaavik is either Spock's wife or his daughter depending on which expanded canon you follow.
Screaming Frog
2024-07-16 04:04:41 +0000 UTCI'll be shocked if you don't like this one. I think it's one of the better episodes of the season.
Spencer Loften
2024-07-16 02:36:47 +0000 UTCWell, that has happened before.
tyranusfan
2024-07-16 02:02:40 +0000 UTCNever thought about this episode that way, but, you are so right.
Mark Chrisco
2024-07-16 01:58:25 +0000 UTCAgreed..
Greg Quinn
2024-07-16 01:57:13 +0000 UTCMight have been cool to see Sarek engaged in negotiations with some slime creatures, being Sarek but also dropping some Picardisms...maybe pulling down his shirt at one point. But ultimately not needed...
Greg Quinn
2024-07-16 01:55:21 +0000 UTCIf you guys don't like this one immensely I'm doing to give up on trying to predict your reactions
Greg Quinn
2024-07-16 01:53:01 +0000 UTCUnless he just had another son that we also didn't hear about not killed by a fake god. Lol
Greg Quinn
2024-07-16 01:51:50 +0000 UTCStar Trek has a ton of amazing recurring guest actors. Not all of them get the opportunity to go out with performances like this.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-07-16 01:37:27 +0000 UTCHey guys! NEW here to Patreon, though I’ve been watching you since The Motion Picture. Here is another time with Mark Lenard/Sarek facing off against another captain of the enterprise AND mind melds with them. Thought the scene with Picard and Beverly was top notch and never forgettable.
Nathan Walker
2024-07-16 01:13:16 +0000 UTCGreat episode, very sad, but well done. NAME DROP: Spock got married at some point!
tyranusfan
2024-07-16 00:44:53 +0000 UTCOnce was bad enough...
Nolan
2024-07-16 00:43:39 +0000 UTCSeeing your reaction to this one is going to be priceless. This is one of those episodes that will surprise me greatly if you don't love it.
Angarl
2024-07-16 00:30:07 +0000 UTCApparently in the later seasons they almost did a story like that with Chekhov as the villain, but it never got off the ground, thank god.
Matthew McKinnon-Gray
2024-07-16 00:10:47 +0000 UTCOkay, for this one I will, for the first time, try to predict your reactions. My guess is, S-tier banger supreme. Why? It's a character focused episode, so we're off to a good start already. It's a focused episode with a singular interconnected plotline. And of course, what matters most to both of you, EXECUTION. Writing, S-tier Acting, God-tier Direction, A+ (a few pacing issues for me but still good). This episode features some of the best acting I've seen... anywhere. Patrick Stewart is a legend and now you'll understand why. Mark Lenard playing Sarek is as well.
Paul
2024-07-15 21:55:34 +0000 UTCOpinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they all stink. Here mine: This is a case of an exceptional guest performance. Mark Lenard brings the heat. My favorite episode of this season, by a long ways.
Miah1138
2024-07-15 21:30:39 +0000 UTCIt's a gutwrenching episode that hits so close to home for so many people. For trek fans, there's another layer of sadness to it, because deep down this is an episode about Gene Roddenberry.
bab
2024-07-15 21:25:03 +0000 UTCThat makes no practical sense. The trailer for the episode airs before the end credits. Thus Sarek is already a know character. TV guide, and things like Entertainment tonight already let us know that Shrek, and Mark Lenard was returning. They had ads running randomly through the week on what ever channel aired TNG in your area. That information was out there. Since the producers of shows almost never cut the previews for the next episode. Nor is it the producers that write out log lines, or organize promotion for the show. As long as that happens, very, very few people would be surprised when the show aired. Hell you can try and avoid the preview by turning off the credits. But they still aired trailers for the next episode of Trek randomly multiple times in every market. Again all done by a different part of the company. And since the primary market for the show was broadcast viewing. There is no streaming almost no shows got released on home media at this time (and those that did were typically two episodes on a. VHS tape, that included key scenes for the episodes that were on that VHS. The whole idea was to get people to watch TNG. IT wasn't designed to surprise them with major character appearance. There is practice more common today for surprise guest stars, and thats for the previous episode to actually end with an exceedingly short moment feature the return of such key characters. And then the next episode is the one that fully features there story. This gives you the surprise. But it also allows the promotional value to drive viewership for the episode next week. But hey almost never did such things back when TNG aired. And realistically I personally prefer not to use cheats for dramatic effects to manipulate the enjoyment of the audience. A great show should be able to tell stories that make sense in universe. And while most shows are great you can still aspire as writers to have great shows. In universe there is no reason you wouldn't mention the character of Sarek arriving in that Captain's log. Thus he should be mentioned. Now if you still wanted it to be a surprise you just don't have a Captain's Log for the episode. Thus you can manage the surprise, and keep an in universe reason for it.
Mark Wood
2024-07-15 20:59:13 +0000 UTCI really wish the opening captain's log didn't immediately spoil Sarek's presence, because I would have loved to watch what your reaction would be when he shows up if it wasn't already announced. Of course, no one would have had the opportunity to react that way during the original broadcast. That's just not how they did things back then. Anyway, this is one of my favorite episodes of the series, with phenomenal acting and a very relatable story for anyone who has witnessed a loved one in cognitive decline. The line in the crying scene where "Sarek" speaking through Picard says he wanted to show so much tenderness to Spock and Amanda absolutely breaks me.
Kirkinson
2024-07-15 20:56:13 +0000 UTCSuch a great episode with excellent performances. Feel the performance of Perrin often gets overlooked. She deeply cares for her husband. I’ll always remember this episode as the one TNG episode that ended the ban on TOS references and reminded us that TNG is indeed a piece of the same universe as TOS. An excellent tie-in.
Column Meanie
2024-07-15 20:51:21 +0000 UTCNot necessarily, the dialogue just says "his son's wedding." Sarek could have other children we haven't heard about before - it wouldn't be the only time Star Trek introduced a new Spock sibling out of nowhere!
Kirkinson
2024-07-15 20:43:28 +0000 UTCThanks to whoever deleted the reply. I saw in it my email, fortunately I've seen ALL of Trek so it didn't spoil for me, but sure as hell would have been a massive spoiler for the lads.
Andy Frankham-Allen
2024-07-15 20:11:08 +0000 UTCI think they got some flak for doing the remake of Naked Time and doubled down on the “no TOS” mention after that
tyranusfan
2024-07-15 19:29:25 +0000 UTCIt's another banger, and Josh and Alex will love this one. I'm hoping for a skit where Riker and Worf discuss everyone's increasing tempers and ten forward's doors open to one of Alex and Josh's old wrestling videos. Make it happen, Josh! And now when people make suggestions, all you have to say is: DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!
Justin B
2024-07-15 19:28:24 +0000 UTCWhile I enjoy serialized storytelling when done right, this shows the power of episodic storytelling. You can create a fantastic standalone story within a familiar setting.
Justin B
2024-07-15 19:10:17 +0000 UTCTV vs. Streaming, a quick commentary: This is not a spoiler. The series we have on streaming today are 8 to 10 episodes. Not just with Star Trek, all kinds of series. Marvel, Star Wars... And this episode right here would be a casualty of that model. This episode advances no overarching plot. It serves no purpose other than to tell a hugely character driven narrative incorporating a legacy character. The acting this episode achieves, were it not for the 20-24 episode season, would never have existed today. We don't get episodes like this in 2024. For that, let's take a moment to truly honor an episode like Sarek. I'm not sure we deserved you.
Jack Shipley
2024-07-15 19:02:10 +0000 UTCMy understanding is that Stewart still performed the entire scene several times in complete single takes, but they're cutting between different takes.
Adam Zey
2024-07-15 18:55:06 +0000 UTCNo, but Troi is asking "it was nothing he did, nothing he said?" and Beverly says "that's just the thing, no", it just doesn't gel. Sure, she overreacted because of the influence, but there was still something to react to.
JGoss
2024-07-15 18:27:36 +0000 UTCthe scene with Picard just in a room experiencing Sarek emotions, is for me a definition of what great trek is, you dont need fancy special effect or big space battle, just talented actors giving there all
Dark Kronis
2024-07-15 18:19:14 +0000 UTC@Juan 🤣
JGoss
2024-07-15 18:18:57 +0000 UTCThe older I get the sadder this episode becomes, the performances are first rate. One of the seasons best episodes. The concert is an amazingly done scene…
Darren Seal
2024-07-15 18:17:15 +0000 UTCI think this is a great episode. I saw it back when originally broadcast (because Mark Leonard) but it wasn't until the second viewing now that I realized you never saw the cool alien species that they did quite a bit of set-up for. Normally, this would have really pissed me off but, it took me a second viewing to notice and the reason is the power of the story and acting. If Patrick Stewart did not get an Emmy nomination for this episode he was robbed.
Nick Sauer
2024-07-15 18:06:48 +0000 UTCLove this episode and really think you guys will too! They do a good job at not explaining the emotional outbreak mystery to us before the rest of the crew, and it has some great performances from all parties involved. It’s nice to see a ToS character’s return to TNG as a full episode over a short cameo or otherwise. Also very fun to see the characters arguing with each other! Loved the twist that Sarek had no idea what was happening. The scene after really showed his emotional range as an actor, which is super exciting to see from a Vulcan! This is one of those episodes that makes me really anxious to be honest, the pacing in this episode feels like a ticking clock the entire time and I love for it. I’m probably wrong about this, but this may be the first real mind meld in TNG which is kinda nifty I would say. Having Beverly there is a nice touch, just kinda makes sense. Though I think you’ll find her framing between the two of them funny haha. The hard cut between Sercard to Picard just screaming and acting his heart out always gives me a bit of a jump scare. All and all I really like this episode and think y’all really will too!
Noah Fawkes
2024-07-15 18:06:37 +0000 UTC"The good of the one! The good of the two! The good of the MAAANNYYYYY"
Juan Tutrífor
2024-07-15 17:46:44 +0000 UTCMy only negative is the lack of drama in introducing him. Mention Vulcan in the captain's log, sure, maybe allude to the man who's played such a pivotal role in Federation history, but don't just mention Sarek so casually. Imagine the dramatic effect it would have had on the viewer (and I suspect you lads) if you were there thinking 'no, they couldn't mean??' and then Sarek beams in. But the casual name drop... What a killer for such a dramatic, not mention, major returning guest star from TOS.
Andy Frankham-Allen
2024-07-15 17:40:41 +0000 UTCStar Trek treats its legacy with respect where many reboots today might just write a lazy "Sarek is a villain now" story.
Jeffrey P
2024-07-15 17:31:32 +0000 UTCAnd McCoy's in the pilot.
Jeffrey P
2024-07-15 17:24:46 +0000 UTCBest episode yet. The frustration that Sarek feels at his cognitive decline is perfectly acted, and seems even more real now that I have seen similar things in real life. But despite showing him in such a vulnerable state, the writers still treat the character with all the respect he deserves, and that is something that can't be taken for granted these days.
Tim b
2024-07-15 17:19:30 +0000 UTCIt makes sense Amanda was replaced with Perrin - given the life spans of Humans vs Vulcans - and Sarek definitely “has a type.” Too bad the Sarek pop was spoiled by the Captain’s Log voiceover… would’ve been a great reveal on the transporter pad.
Matt Everkoul
2024-07-15 17:18:48 +0000 UTCIt was a fight just to get the single "Spock" reference into the episode. A combination of Berman and/or Roddenberry were adamant that no references to TOS characters could be made. Ira Steven Behr fought and won to get the line in there. Odd considering the second episode of the show directly referenced Kirk.
JGoss
2024-07-15 17:15:38 +0000 UTCBeverly wouldn’t slap him for that. He snapped at her in Evolution and she didn’t slap him.
Sharron
2024-07-15 17:14:07 +0000 UTCScript by Peter S. Beagle ... author of the book The Last Unicorn, and screenwriter on the 1978 Lord of the Rings animated film
JGoss
2024-07-15 17:12:14 +0000 UTCPossibly! But it's a natural consequence also if what happens when someone with mind power has seizures
Ian Westcott
2024-07-15 17:05:35 +0000 UTCGene Roddenberry went back and forth. Originally he didn't want any ties between old and new series, so no stories about Vulcans, romulans, etc. later, the producers wanted to bring spock back for an episode, but gene thought he would be too expensive and suggested Sarek instead.
Ian Westcott
2024-07-15 17:04:36 +0000 UTCGeordie slipped the composition in while no one was looking, just so he could get wistful. Dammit Geordie, get over it already!
Nolan
2024-07-15 17:00:40 +0000 UTCThe first part was. There are a few cuts away to Beverly.
JGoss
2024-07-15 16:51:33 +0000 UTCAfter watching this episode back in the day, I was of the opinion that Patrick Steward was pretty much the best actor on the show (although every one else does a pretty good job :) ).
Nina
2024-07-15 16:44:15 +0000 UTC-Then tell him that there is no way! -DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
Data's Small Talk
2024-07-15 16:32:21 +0000 UTCI will also add that rewatching this episode made me think about it having some similarities to current events.
Mike Rogers
2024-07-15 16:19:49 +0000 UTC200-odd years and Sarek is still keen for Earth booty. Good man.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-07-15 16:13:21 +0000 UTCObviously Patrick Stewart's acting in this episode is awesome, starting with the argument on the bridge! Picard's voice went up to 11 out of nowhere, he bellowed at Riker with an intensity that actually scared me when I listened on headphones - he's SO PISSED OFF.
Leyton Jay
2024-07-15 16:08:02 +0000 UTCThis might be your favorite episode so far.
Eric Wilson
2024-07-15 16:08:01 +0000 UTCMagnificent acting, mind-numbing story. Are you miffed that Crusher hasn’t been used more in season 3? Barely seen her lately, except for reaching first base with Barclay.
Smear Campaign
2024-07-15 15:59:15 +0000 UTCA few episodes ago you were wondering if Sarek was still around. There ya go. I predict this will tie the Yar reveal for pop-offs this season.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-07-15 15:58:25 +0000 UTCTHIS episode is the first official bridge between generations!! Patrick Stewart’s tour de force (and single-take) performance established him as arguably the greatest actor in Star Trek history! And how did you guys feel about seeing the return of a BIGGIE?!
Raphael Gaytan
2024-07-15 15:55:07 +0000 UTCFun fact: Patrick Stewart DID NOT want to do the mind meld onslaught of emotions scene. They convinced him, and I’m glad they did. One of the greatest TV performances I’ve ever seen. I cry every time.
Chris S.
2024-07-15 15:50:16 +0000 UTCI predict you're going to have mixed feelings on this one. You'll be excited to see Sarek, the extreme crew behaviour may cause some amusement but devastated to see a beloved character elderly, and in cognitive decline. It's a moving and humane episode that reflects the sad truth that not all heroes get a heroic end, some dwindle and fade.
Lincynity
2024-07-15 15:49:03 +0000 UTCSuperb episode, everyone on top form and a great, pure Star Trek story that successfully brings us closer to the TOS movies. One of the top 5 of the season for me and I find it’s one I rewatch more than most. Mark Lenard as Sarek is perfection.
Paul Rymer
2024-07-15 15:48:33 +0000 UTCHuge TOS callbacks, a solid character-driven script, an acting masterclass, plus Wesley gets slapped. What's not to love... S-tier contender?
The Ninth Doctor
2024-07-15 15:47:44 +0000 UTCThis is just a master class of acting from two amazing actors.
irohtheteamaster
2024-07-15 15:42:50 +0000 UTCThe tear scene. Show-don't-tell acting masterclass.
Chris Mickelson
2024-07-15 15:41:04 +0000 UTCThank God you no longer read the titles ahead of time. Back in the 80s it didn’t matter as much because we usually saw the trailer the week before.
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 15:38:22 +0000 UTCThis is the episode that just casually drops the lore that Spock finally got married at some point.
Mister Hope
2024-07-15 15:38:06 +0000 UTCSAREK!!!! There, that’s pithy.
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 15:36:28 +0000 UTCI wonder if Sarek’s condition was an inspiration for Professor X’s condition in Logan where his powers adversely affect the people around him.
Evan Guthrie
2024-07-15 15:30:28 +0000 UTCOh, and small trivia, you'll notice on the back of Picard's chair in his quarters (if you somehow manage to not be sucked into the performance) is a patterned cloth. That's actually the tapestry given to him by the Mintakens back in "Who Watches the Watchers" which is a nice bit of prop continuity.
Nolan
2024-07-15 15:30:14 +0000 UTCFun fact: the Picard scene was shot in a single take.
Adam Zey
2024-07-15 15:29:55 +0000 UTCI really hope you weren't spoiled for this one.
Screaming Frog
2024-07-15 15:29:40 +0000 UTCTroi asks Beverly if Wesley said anything to provoke the slap, and she says no. Um, script, hello? Did you just forget that he yelled "to get away from you!"? It was literally the previous line.
JGoss
2024-07-15 15:29:25 +0000 UTCI was told it would be a Mozart recital but it turned into Brahms. The bait and switch might make me cry too.
JGoss
2024-07-15 15:27:59 +0000 UTCTHIS is why I thought you may want to avoid episode titles, cause I predict the biggest of all pops at the name drop of Sarek. And I must say, Patrick Stewart has been killing it in S3. If rumors his contract was due for renegotiation were true, I totally buy him wanting to either show off why he deserved a raise, or to go out with a bang, cause this is a hell of a bang.
Nolan
2024-07-15 15:27:28 +0000 UTCYour reaction: "djkjeiaphrihaptieajoojiojejao WHAT? WOOOOOOHHHHHH LET'S GO LET'S GO. LEGEND."
John M.
2024-07-15 15:26:53 +0000 UTCThey have said they put in the disc and hit "Play All". I know they already know that the titles for DS9 and Voyager are printed on the discs because I messaged them some time ago.
KatWithAttitude
2024-07-15 15:24:52 +0000 UTCOf my many favorites from season 3, this is near the top. It is quite sad ultimately but great to see the return of an old friend, TOS continuity and superb acting.
NivekTheIncorrigible
2024-07-15 15:24:35 +0000 UTCAgreed - on this one, the acting makes the episode. Anything below the level they perform at, and the episode would not be good.
Jeffrey
2024-07-15 15:24:13 +0000 UTCI always wonder, how do they manage not to see the episode titles??? Aren't they right there or there's an option to hide them?
C_Drew
2024-07-15 15:21:00 +0000 UTCThe pop of all pops will be in this episode. The first true, complete and utter link between series. Yes, McCoy was the first, but this one utterly establishes Star Trek: The Next Generation in the timeline. The acting is superb, the story is great, and I think you will have a new favorite episode.
wildhunt1973
2024-07-15 15:18:48 +0000 UTCRiker’s reference to “the Coridan admission to the Federation” is a direct callback to “Journey to Babel.”
James H
2024-07-15 15:17:06 +0000 UTCLuckily you don't see the episode titles in advance
Jeffrey
2024-07-15 15:16:45 +0000 UTCIf you don't pop when you realize they are bringing in Sarek, I will suspect you have replaced by AI.
Mike Rogers
2024-07-15 15:16:23 +0000 UTCAnd to think Picard was bummed at first because he thought Sarek wouldn’t be sharing his thoughts and memories. Be careful what you wish for.
James H
2024-07-15 15:16:06 +0000 UTCGentlemen! Recent new Patron, overjoyed watching your sharp critiques and unique delight at Trek. Hope this one gives you all the sense of peace connecting ToS to TNG so firmly, and one of the few times that the incredible acting overcomes some execution issues in the story. Impeccable performance by Mark Lenard and Patrick Stewart. These linkages between series are the soul of Trek continuity to me.
Ross Townsend
2024-07-15 15:15:59 +0000 UTCThis one is, imo, some of the best acting Patrick Stewart has ever done.
Steve Krautkramer
2024-07-15 15:14:39 +0000 UTCI hope you guys go happily nuts on this one! 😃🖖
Anthony Goodwin
2024-07-15 15:14:29 +0000 UTC
