FEEDBACK WANTED: PATRON TAKES
Added 2024-07-15 12:08:54 +0000 UTCWant to thank everyone for their opinions on The Most Toys yesterday. A lot of great discussion, which is what I was hoping for on an episode we were so mixed on. I enjoy the discussion with you all after we post almost as much as watching the show.
Question about this as it relates to Patron Takes. Instead of a separate post, is there any interest in using the comments on the reaction itself as the Patron Takes and allowing your response to our reaction to be part of it? There would still be priority for Target Demographic patrons in our video, but a separate post wouldn’t be necessary. Any changes wouldn’t go into place until Season 4. Feedback appreciated.
Comments
Well, if it is 6-8 hours, no that’s not a lot of time, but it is what it is. But, that’s not my point. If they used the comments on the reaction as the Patron Takes, then they’d have to wait for those comments, then record, edit, and post the discussion. However long that takes, is how long we’d have to wait for the discussion video. Right now the discussion video is usually posted within a few hours of the reaction. We’d now have to wait, presumably, 2-3 days between the two. I’d rather not.
startrekiborg
2024-07-17 04:55:41 +0000 UTC@startrekiborg It doesn't matter when the discussion is posted, it matters when it's recorded. Patron Takes for E23 posted Monday at about 11am Eastern Time. They'll watch the episode presumably about 6-8 hours after that. Last I knew, they are still doing/recording the discussion right after watching the episode. That isn't a lot of time to get Takes in, in my book.
Jovet
2024-07-17 02:18:00 +0000 UTCExample: Patron Takes for episode 23 were posted on Monday. Discussion will be posted on Thursday. That’s three days. If the comment section for the reaction is now the Patron Takes, we’ll need to wait 2-3 days for the discussion. I don’t want to wait. And it will end predictions.
startrekiborg
2024-07-16 14:59:56 +0000 UTCYea, about 48 hours, also called days
startrekiborg
2024-07-16 14:18:56 +0000 UTC*posted hours before
Jovet
2024-07-16 05:41:41 +0000 UTCAnd more nudity. Don't forget more nudity!
Jovet
2024-07-16 05:38:43 +0000 UTC🧂🧂🧂
Jovet
2024-07-16 04:42:32 +0000 UTCBro is SALTY
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-16 02:38:36 +0000 UTCI think keep the Patron Takes a separate posting. Go ahead and make them Target Demographic only since those are the ones that get all the attention now anyways. And make your requests/posts more than 24 hours before you're going to watch whatever so there's ample opportunity to make some good Takes.
Jovet
2024-07-16 01:02:03 +0000 UTCI'm sorry, I think I misunderstood. You're not talking about the YouTube comments .. you meant here on Patreon! I'm sorry, my bad. Now that I get it... I think it's a great idea! Lol. Give it a shot. We'll figure it out in the execution :)
Jack Shipley
2024-07-15 20:08:59 +0000 UTCThat isn’t what we are asking, it is still going to be Patrons
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 19:19:29 +0000 UTCPatron takes should be from patrons. Not that the cost should matter, but Patrons receive the benefit of that engagement through contributing to the Patreon. I think when you engage with chat during an episode's launch, that's really the opportunity for everyone to comment.
Jack Shipley
2024-07-15 19:05:31 +0000 UTCI'm good with whatever you guys decide, especially if one way or the other makes scheduling or work load easier. You know what the post reaction comments look like so if you think those will make for a better patron takes video, go for it
James Bottas
2024-07-15 18:06:37 +0000 UTCI think it would be better to have an Q&A video every once in a while to answer to comments to the reactions.
Tim b
2024-07-15 17:49:20 +0000 UTCI love Star Trek and all its forms OK maybe not code of honor But either way even with its wart, it’s fun to pick a part the bad ones while sticking around to watch the good ones. It is all just TV series not a historical reenactment. Therefore I enjoy the discussions a lot and is why I tune in to T/A I will join in the discussion however it works on occasion I skip episodes because I feel that I’m too close to spoilers or my opinion has been expressed well enough by someone before I got to the page Either way though I’m always enjoying the new perspective that Josh and Alex brings and sometimes new details that I don’t know from others. I have read many books on the subject in all its various eras in incarnations. And still feel I am far from knowing everything I want to know After all, it’s about the journey that we’re on here
Thicketdweller
2024-07-15 17:32:03 +0000 UTCi like this idea
paultardspambot .
2024-07-15 17:27:46 +0000 UTCI have always appreciated your desire to interact with your audience. But gentlemen....your audience are mostly Trekkie assholes! ;p The LESS you look for our approval/disapproval, the less weight will be on your backs. Enjoy your show, Discuss in one ep or another, and maybe read some fun takes. Beyond that, it's fun to talk to you in the comments. No need to air it for all. : )
StonyD
2024-07-15 16:34:53 +0000 UTCI agree. They need to keep their head above the fray.
StonyD
2024-07-15 16:32:15 +0000 UTCLove that idea. Less confusing and repetitive
Dale Gonyea
2024-07-15 16:16:16 +0000 UTC@TA what about Rene from Mallrats?
Ca$hWednesday
2024-07-15 15:54:33 +0000 UTCAlso looks like most people want it to stay the same because of predictions. I personally don't care about hearing the same 3 people say the same 3 lines about "I knew you guys would like this". I think the point of Patron Takes is to hear what other people think about the episode.
Doug
2024-07-15 15:50:15 +0000 UTCI would be good with that.
Collin Freeman
2024-07-15 15:43:52 +0000 UTCI never comment on the Patron Takes because I barely remember 90% of episodes until I rewatch them with the reaction. If they were to merge with the reaction comments I'd be able to participate in the Patron Takes.
Doug
2024-07-15 15:43:42 +0000 UTCPersonally I'm down for discussions, redundant or not. Im not sure about how the YouTube audience feels on that though.
Ca$hWednesday
2024-07-15 15:30:47 +0000 UTCI want to keep the patron takes the way they are. I like predicting which episodes you'll like and which I don't. There's nothing wrong with taking a look at comments/reactions to your reactions, but I really enjoy the pre-episode predictions and pieces of trivia about episodes. And it's fun to sometimes be wrong about what you'll think of the episode. And the best part about you guys is that you don't care what the patrons think about a given episode. I agree with the fear that the comments on a video might devolve into debating patrons who liked an episode you don't like. As you noted before, there's always someone for whom an episode is "their favorite of the season/series" (except probably for "Shades of Grey") and as Star Trek fans are won't to do, they will die on that hill.
John
2024-07-15 15:08:17 +0000 UTCI personally have no interest in what anyone predicts about the reaction. I do think it’s interesting for people to offer trivia that you might not otherwise have known and to react to things you say, especially if you wonder out loud about something in the reaction.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-07-15 14:52:55 +0000 UTCOkay, this is my last post. Leave it alone. The comments were great on THIS past episode, but it won’t always be. It’s not worth losing the predictions. If you’re really inspired by a generated discussion either include a bit in the next video or create a new one. IMO Thank You
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 14:40:14 +0000 UTCtl;dr - the current way is better. I think the format is far more pure when the "takes" come prior to us seeing your reaction. Comments on the video itself are colored by the watch along itself and not so much just the original episode. I'm guessing that like me, most people haven't seen a given episode in a long time and give their take based on what they remember as opposed to having just seen it and your reaction.
Matt Newmark
2024-07-15 14:34:27 +0000 UTCIf you no longer have a separate Patreon Take, posted days before the video, you’ll no longer get predictions. Half the fun was guessing how you would feel and the other half was telling you how we feel. If we now comment after the fact, it will form all of our comments around how you reacted. No more predictions. That, and it would force you to record and post the discussion days after the reaction. If I’m wrong. Please tell me how.
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 14:09:01 +0000 UTCBad idea. You guys are at your best when you DGAF when the subscribers agree with you or not. In this scenario I fear that the patron takes video will devolve into you guys having to “debate” the comments of people who liked an episode when you guys didn’t (and vice versa). Don’t get sucked into that.
Mister Hope
2024-07-15 14:08:08 +0000 UTCPersonally, I'm against the idea. Patron takes are short, condensed reviews of the episodes or a bit of trivia about them. What some people post in the comments on the episode itself fit the bill, others prefer to write longer reviews and have more in depth discussions not limited by time or the size of the comment. If people knew the comments were the patron takes, and only the short ones would get read, there would be a tendency to water down their thoughts of an episode to a fraction of what they'd otherwise say. It would be cruel and unfair to do that to Anthony Bernacchi😢. Besides, while I'll always comment on the episode reaction, I don't always feel strongly enough about an episode to come up with a patron take that's worth reading, so I leave that one for the people who have something more profound to say. My vote is keep things as they are. Besides there were 90-something combines takes for Most Toys and 200+ comments. If those comments are interesting enough to respond to, replying in the comments is the way to go IMO.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-07-15 13:48:40 +0000 UTCMy first reaction to this was negative, as the posts would end up being more about comments on your reaction. And because change is scary. But people above have made several comments that have changed my mind and make it a positive, not a negative. People who want to predict can still post before watching the episode, and making the comments/discussion more interactive is a big plus.
Jeffrey
2024-07-15 13:31:49 +0000 UTCI guess the corollary though is you can't have positive reactions to episodes I personally dislike, guys, so I guess what you have to do is give your honest opinion and let us sort it out. Maybe a crazy idea. just kidding, *just* in case it's not obvious. I mean, give your honest opinion, who does that?
Matthew Riley
2024-07-15 13:27:49 +0000 UTCI think I like it the way it is, but I wouldn't mind you reading our reactions IN ADDITION to the patron takes.
Evan Guthrie
2024-07-15 13:27:46 +0000 UTCI'm "middle-diddle" on this one, I think I post a Take for ~25% of episodes thus I'll go with work works best for you guys/ the majority opinion herein.
James Knight
2024-07-15 13:20:58 +0000 UTCI think there's a good case to be made for both. Half the fun is predicting you'll like Deja Q and being wrong and the other potential half is many of us have had 35 years to ruminate on these episodes and could probably stir some good discussion. I like the idea of "Patron Predictions" and "Comments" co-exisiting in one video. You could alternate who choses the questions for each segment.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-07-15 13:18:49 +0000 UTCAh, I get you. I'll watch whatever. I'm sure it'll be great.
Lincynity
2024-07-15 13:06:29 +0000 UTCI see, I still think it's a good idea. I doubt many people rewatch the episode specifically to post patron takes, so I think many people forget some details, comments made after the reaction is better for discussion.
Phillip Grischa
2024-07-15 13:02:41 +0000 UTCProf, random question, but what happened to the sex scoreboard? I used to look forward to that
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:59:01 +0000 UTCI like predicting what you will think of an episode or events in an episode. You could always do what you currently do but add a live group video call after the reaction, possibly for members of the upper Patreon tier as a perk of upgrading. Similar to what they’ve done on The 7th Rule Star Trek podcast.
Smear Campaign
2024-07-15 12:58:16 +0000 UTCWe would still record and post the discussion, it would only be the Patron Takes with a delay
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:58:00 +0000 UTCWe would still record the discussion, it’s only the Patron Takes we would record later
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:57:25 +0000 UTCIt would be a replacement of the current Patron Takes, not additional
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:56:46 +0000 UTCTerrible weekend. Especially the passing of the legendary Dr. Ruth Westheimer may her soul rest in peace
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:51:52 +0000 UTCIt would also mean there isn't a post you have to avoid looking at for a few days to prevent spoilers. The downside is a gap between the reaction and discussion, but ultimately I think people will adapt to that. Especially if it makes your Patreon feed easier to follow. It'll be interesting to see if your initial responses differ to the later discussion too after you've had time to consider it a little.
Lincynity
2024-07-15 12:51:15 +0000 UTCI’m sure everyone’s been watching the news this weekend. The tragedy unfolding…….. Richard Simmons died.
Chris S.
2024-07-15 12:46:58 +0000 UTCActually, its a brilliant idea guys! We’re already commenting about it anyway, so why not use those? Much more efficient (I think). Love the idea!
Chris S.
2024-07-15 12:45:11 +0000 UTCAnother option is to have a short reaction, about our reaction, to your reaction, on the next reaction. Lol
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 12:44:00 +0000 UTCIndeed, I had to look every time :)
tyranusfan
2024-07-15 12:42:29 +0000 UTCI think that would work fine. Streamline the process.
tyranusfan
2024-07-15 12:42:15 +0000 UTCI think that’s easier because we can mention episode spoilers more easily (not future ones) and you can include the episode titles again, every week I have to look up which story is Season 3 episode 12 or whatever.
Paul Rymer
2024-07-15 12:41:27 +0000 UTCI think that's a really good idea, we'd get the patron takes and your immediate reaction and then a separate video recorded later, I'd be interested in seeing if and how your opinion of the episodes changes between the videos.
Phillip Grischa
2024-07-15 12:40:39 +0000 UTCIf I understand you correctly, we would use the comment section of the reaction as the Patreon Takes, then you’d discuss it in the discussion video. If that’s right, I see a big issue. The time span between the reaction and discussion is very short, or should be. We need time to come up with our pithy opinions. I, personally, don’t want you to increase the time between the two videos. I hated it when you put off Tin Man’s discussion until you came back from vacation (I understood it though). Having a couple of days, wouldn’t be much better. I actually liked it when you included them together, like in The Most Toys. But, I don’t see how you could open up the comments before posting the video. I have more to say, but I tend you go off on a tangent, so I just shut up now. BTW, Thanks for a lively, civil discussion on The Most Toys. You’re still wrong though ;)
startrekiborg
2024-07-15 12:37:26 +0000 UTCdo you no good. You would have 25 comments starting with: "I can't believe you guys missed the most important part when............" lol
Prof Moff
2024-07-15 12:34:07 +0000 UTC@Matthew we will start posting an alternative “POSITIVE” reaction for every episode where we do nothing but pop huge and praise everything. People can watch that one instead if our real reaction makes them mad. 😄
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:32:02 +0000 UTC@Cash, this is definitely one way to do it, and we’ve done it in the past for certain reactions. My only concern there would be content redundancy already having Patron Takes every week then a separate video of more comment reading. It could perhaps be edited together into the same video for YouTube but then I’d be giving myself more work for the same amount of content lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:30:15 +0000 UTCGood feedback is good feedback. Why not grab from everywhere?
THE Fans
2024-07-15 12:30:04 +0000 UTCI think it makes more sense and and less posts to track is better. Also I think Patron takes without having watched it cuts out feedback from anyone who hasn't watched recently and that is not a good thing.
AzoriusMage
2024-07-15 12:27:25 +0000 UTCFor people interested in predicting, they could comment before watching, then update their comment afterwards.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:26:33 +0000 UTCPatron FUCKING Takes *gunshot noises*
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:25:09 +0000 UTCPersonally I do like the patron takes comments where people respond before they see your reaction, in part because I like hearing people try to guess at how you'll both react. An effort in hilarious futility lol 😂 Perhaps combine both?
Paul
2024-07-15 12:24:24 +0000 UTCOh and I guess if you guys could only have positive reactions to episodes I personally like, that'd be great, Thinking the diner scene from 'When Harry Met Sally'
Matthew Riley
2024-07-15 12:23:27 +0000 UTCYep, same x2, whatever works best for you guys.
Matthew Riley
2024-07-15 12:22:07 +0000 UTCI vote for more violence, sex, and vulgarity in the patron takes, personally.
Steven Johnson
2024-07-15 12:21:16 +0000 UTCYes, there would be no Patron Takes post, we would use the comments on the reaction and record it the following recording day. It would get posted sometime in the following week on Patreon, but it would line up on YouTube.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:21:09 +0000 UTCThis would be my concern as well. I'm not sure if this is feasible, but what about a separate video every so many episodes (doesn't have to be often) where you go through the most interesting comments / discussions?
Ca$hWednesday
2024-07-15 12:20:13 +0000 UTCNot every reaction causes as much fervor as yesterday. People could still comment exactly as they would on a Patron Takes post, but yes an episode like yesterday would definitely have a different focus in the PT.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-07-15 12:20:03 +0000 UTCIt depends on whether you want takes to be a prediction of how you'll react or for them to be more of a discussion based on your reaction. I'd lean towards the latter being more interesting but it's ultimately up to you and how you can schedule it.
Lincynity
2024-07-15 12:19:03 +0000 UTCIndeed. I think both can be integrated and talked about, but they will indeed be two different things.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-07-15 12:16:05 +0000 UTCI'm very interested in that. I think the discussion is way more interesting after we've watched your reaction. Also, some of us haven't seen these episodes in years, so our comments made after watching it again with you fresh are going to be more accurate than if we are going off of memory from the last time we saw it.
BN13
2024-07-15 12:15:35 +0000 UTCDo you mean that we’d put the patron takes on the reaction video itself, then you’d be making a patron takes video afterward?
tyranusfan
2024-07-15 12:15:23 +0000 UTCIf you do go that way, most of the takes will be about your reaction, not the actual episode.
Regan
2024-07-15 12:14:31 +0000 UTCSame, happy with whatever you folks are happy with
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-07-15 12:14:20 +0000 UTCI don't have a preference. I'd say this is one of those "whatever is easier for you posting" works me. The content does not really change IMO.
Prof Moff
2024-07-15 12:12:27 +0000 UTC
