UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S3E19 - Captain's Holiday
Added 2024-06-27 12:00:10 +0000 UTC
Comments
The only purpose is to introduce lady love Vash who pops in and out of this and a future ST series. Not to worry, this was not her best. lol!
TeenyStudio Flicks
2024-07-18 02:37:49 +0000 UTCYeah this episode is just mediocre, fun at the start overall meh but I can’t say I hate it or like it. It’s just there.
Darren Seal
2024-07-12 20:16:43 +0000 UTCI can't argue against any of the points you made in the post show, you are spot on. All I can do is suggest that you use this episode in the future as a bench mark for future episodes. There is some amazing story telling coming.
James Smith
2024-07-11 07:37:00 +0000 UTCI only thought that the pacing was a little bit weird, but other than that I actually genuinely liked this change of pace. And I did actually feel a little bit of chemistry and at least some level of intrigue. But perhaps it is because I tend to like things that are bad... No clue why
ZRX-89
2024-06-29 17:50:22 +0000 UTCI can't see all the comments, but if no one else has said it, Patrick Stewart almost married this guest actress! So it's really wild that they didn't have on-screen chemistry.
Kristina Weber
2024-06-29 02:47:22 +0000 UTCIt's not bad. Everyone that thinks so is wrong.
Jovet
2024-06-28 23:32:50 +0000 UTCI'm type CNUT
Jovet
2024-06-28 23:29:57 +0000 UTCTry this !
Jovet
2024-06-28 23:28:38 +0000 UTCThe Genesis torpedo created a star, it didn't destroy one
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-28 20:58:35 +0000 UTCThe Genesis torpedo?
C
2024-06-28 20:29:45 +0000 UTCIt is forgettable, but for me that is the puzzling thing about this reaction because since it is so forgettable it isn't really something worth hating. It's like trying to hate the popcorn you ate five minutes ago. It's not good , but I can think of worse we've seen so far.
Ken R
2024-06-28 20:16:55 +0000 UTCI was curious why I had no recollection of this episode at all. I discovered that yes, I had seen it, but... yeah. The words "forgettable episode" fit this one to a T.
John
2024-06-28 20:08:27 +0000 UTCIt's actually shocking that he made something this bad considering how much good work he did when he took over as showrunner in DS9.
Spencer Loften
2024-06-28 19:48:14 +0000 UTCLet's not act like Crusher is a fan favorite character. Basically everybody (including Gates) always agreed that Crusher was lackluster and basically never did anything. Gates says that in almost every interview, including recent ones.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-28 17:20:39 +0000 UTCWell if it wasn't retirement then it was still a personal favor for Gene, because she said so herself in interviews. Which isn't that hard to believe since plenty of people, including DC Fontana etc joined initially out of friendship to Gene
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-28 17:18:25 +0000 UTCI do agree that The Big Goodbye had Crusher go beyond just acting sort of naive and "fish-out-of-water" to acting like a silly young girl.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-28 16:38:57 +0000 UTCIt's unfortunate that this is one of Ira Steven Behr's few main credits in TNG. Keep a lookout for that name though. The dude may have pushed out a stinker here, but he is capable of so, so, so much better. Overall, this is a bad episode that could have been good with minor changes. It does call back to Picard's interests in Archeology, which we see in Booby Trap. However, it also shows Patrick Stewart's "Give me more of the 2 Fs" influence on the character that is toyed with in the series sometimes, which is not to TNG's benefit.
ijp8834
2024-06-28 16:03:31 +0000 UTCThere are far better episodes, but many far worse than this. 6/10 for me.
Mel Primus
2024-06-28 13:13:16 +0000 UTC@Andreas Schmitt Yeah, the love for "The Big Goodbye" is lost on me too.
Jovet
2024-06-28 12:20:58 +0000 UTCDiana was on episodic television every season before, (including as a regular character the season prior to joining TNG) and every season after TNG until about 1993, so I’m not sure where the whole “Gene pulled her out of retirement” mythos came from.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-06-28 07:08:50 +0000 UTCI love this episode only because it's so fucking bad. Vaush is one of the worst supporting characters ever put to screen in TNG or basically any Trek of that time period. And Patrick Stewart shouldn't be punching people or doing action. He's much better at giving an inspiring speech or something.
Clyde Frog
2024-06-28 05:02:24 +0000 UTCI have never particularly liked this episode, in fact it's sub par, but I'm fairly surprised it was THIS disliked. For me it's probably a 3.5 or 4 out of 10. There's way worse, though I suppose maybe not for Josh and Alex😄. There's way too many comments for me to bother reading them all, I just skimmed the names I'm more familiar with and a few others. Lots of opinions being passed off as facts above. Everyone needs to chill. The issues with the time travel struck me even as a kid. They seem to just be able to go wherever and whenever at a whim. Maybe they could only go back in time once and do a return trip and that burned out their time travel device, and the rest of the time they were just transporting around. I dunno, it's certainly not explained. While I think the first quarter of the episode if fun enough and the jokes land, I get why the rest doesn't work for everyone. There's definitely an element of "putting a square peg in a round hole" element putting Picard in that scenario. It's just not what we know Picard as. While Ira Steven Behr did write this episode, please don't blame him too much for it. He originally meant for the story to be one of Picard facing the prospect of being promoted out of command of the Enterprise against his wishes, and that being his greatest fear he had to face. Given this seemed to be rock bottom for you, I struggle to imagine you wouldn't have liked that story much better. Alas, Stewart wanted more "fighting and fucking" for Picard, and Gene was just being Gene. Rick Berman was the moderator, but well, this was still a product of Gene's lechery and Stewart's ego, and it hurts the final product. Behr ends up having a writing credit in around 1/3 of DS9 episodes. You're not going to bat 1000 across that many eps, and certainly his name is tied to a few stinkers, but he has broad creative abilities and tells a lot of different kinds of stories, including some real masterpieces.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-28 04:26:08 +0000 UTCFirst time I've actually disagreed with you guys on an episode. Is this an S or A tier episode, obviosuly no, but a fun Picard episode. Hard for me to see this one being painful to watch.
thesolarwind
2024-06-28 04:23:43 +0000 UTCGotta agree. This episode left me cold. Jennifer Hetrick and Sir Patrick have absolutely zero on-screen chemistry. The threadbare plot is weighed down by a few good ideas poorly conceptualized by and strung together flimsily. A mediocre episode made worse by following 4 bangers in a row.
StealthMomo
2024-06-28 03:58:27 +0000 UTCI have a feeling that they might hate some of my favorite episodes from another series, I hope I'm wrong lol
Doug
2024-06-28 03:44:49 +0000 UTCsame
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-28 03:41:52 +0000 UTCSaying they don’t like strong female characters and then tearing down a female character as not being strong enough is definitely a choice.
Pokeysaurus
2024-06-28 03:28:50 +0000 UTCYep. Its shit.
Aaron Wells
2024-06-28 02:55:30 +0000 UTCTotally disagree with your assessment at the end. The episode had my attention the whole time, and I think it's one of my favorites from Season 3. But like you said, different strokes for different folks.
Matt F
2024-06-28 02:43:53 +0000 UTCI like this episode for the interesting little diversion that it is.
Jovet
2024-06-28 02:24:04 +0000 UTCBut Is she really
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 02:14:38 +0000 UTCIts been shown in previous eps that picard loves historical digs , him and vash made sense to me
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 02:09:23 +0000 UTCYeah Stewart was dating her at the time
Scarpad’s Domain
2024-06-28 01:52:40 +0000 UTC12:40 No, they don't have the budget. Each new uniform is, like, $5000.
Jovet
2024-06-28 01:22:52 +0000 UTC5:35 Excellent logic there, Josh!!
Jovet
2024-06-28 01:15:48 +0000 UTC3:40 "He will come." Pun intended!
Jovet
2024-06-28 01:13:59 +0000 UTCFor the few scenes she is in, she made more of a presence than Crusher or Troi has in one season (and she upped Crusher in her own sickbay). When this episode aired a lot of talk went into the historic nature of a captain of the Enterprise being a woman (and she was literally the 2nd female captain in the history of the franchise). So it is a little odd that more focus wasn’t given to her performance or the character during their critique of the show.
Column Meanie
2024-06-28 01:02:07 +0000 UTCI'm gonna watch this 66 times just to make sure you guys dont feel bad!
prot180
2024-06-28 00:01:12 +0000 UTCI always look out for the appearances of the guy that was Data's "hand double" :D He's an ensign sometimes in the background hehe
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:22:15 +0000 UTCPersonally I felt 'The big goodbye' was way more silly and boring than this one... talk about forced romantic moments... I'll take this one and Vash's flirting over Crusher's acting like a 13 year old in The Big Goodbye any day... But those differences are what we're here for :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:20:35 +0000 UTCWouldn't call it gritty, but it's the first time we see Picard as the man, and not the Captain. And we see him for the first time with a woman that doesn't care that he's a Captain. To me this was the beginning of building Picard up as a more interesting character, that's the main reason I'm a bit disappointed they disliked it.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:17:06 +0000 UTCI think that the recent flirt scene between Picard and Crusher MASSIVELY biased them against Vash here. I mean they even said so while watching ("This is not Picard's type.. more red-head-doctor-mom") lol. So that definitely had an effect. I highly doubt they would have hated on Vash so much if the show hadn't recently warmed up the Crusher Picard thing
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:14:06 +0000 UTCThat'll happen :D I'm just waiting for them to rip apart a fan favorite at this point :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 23:12:17 +0000 UTCOnly appearance in TNG I believe but he does appear in another Trek show without prosthetics.
Menty
2024-06-27 23:11:56 +0000 UTCIs it really THAT subtle that Picard is obviously playing dumb at the end and playing all of them, knowing exactly what is going on? At no point was he going to hand it over, it's all over the way he's talking and acting.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:43:40 +0000 UTCDon't go off the rails. THere is no misogynistic hate for Crusher Troi, quite the opposite. We hate them because they're stereotypical bimbos put in the show to look pretty with zero writing behind it. And maybe it's no coincidence that this is exactly what the actresses are complaining about to this day as well, so maybe that should give you thought for a moment. we don't hate on the actresses, we hate on shitty characters that wasted the actresses potentials. Literally every other female character going forward in the other shows is better written, actually develops, has arcs, great storylines and wonderful relationships. Troi is exposition lady and Crusher is "nice good looking doctor". Just count the times a guest character say that Crusher is good looking. I won't even mention the workout scene. So if we prefer Pulaski, a doctor that is actually interesting, clearly not hired just to look pretty, and has an interesting character and an actual arc warming up with Data, instead of watching Crusher and Troi being shown in skin tight stuff in front of a mirror then WE are the misogynists? Really? If that's the case then I wonder why Gates and Sirtis rave on about how shit their character writing was and how they were mostly used for standing around and looking pretty to this day. Vash at least had a character and challenged Picard, and didn't just exist to be swooned by Picard like a love sick puppy, as Crusher is usually portrayed.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 22:41:53 +0000 UTCJust some fun trivia for anyone wanting a bit of a pallette cleanser (although the comments have been an interesting read): The first human to appear on screen in this episode, the guy with the purple tank top -- that's Michael Dorn. And I believe it's his only appearance without prosthetics.
Avaria
2024-06-27 22:41:40 +0000 UTCMeyers Briggs Type Indicator. It's one of many systems of personality theories. Though to be clear, it would have been more accurate if I referred to Idealists and Artisans as Keirsey's Temperments. MBTI builds off of that, and I have a bad habit of referring to the two interchangeably.
BN13
2024-06-27 22:38:01 +0000 UTC"I would have missed every one of those hints." You and me both, brother.
Steven Linden
2024-06-27 22:21:53 +0000 UTCIt's a shame they're missing out on a stereo sound mix when watching these. Must be some open backed headphones or something out there. Less important in this episode, but it's going to diminish the immersion in more SFX heavy and score heavy episodes.
Smear Campaign
2024-06-27 22:09:01 +0000 UTCI thought this was actually a Dixon Hill-like story that Picard got involved with. There are sort of Indiana Jones elements that people point out but in another setting this could be a classic private eye story like the Maltese Falcon. The hero gets involved with a beautiful woman who is "trouble", looking for something valuable and runs into a weaselly little villain. You could easily drop the story into 1940s LA.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-27 22:08:00 +0000 UTCPretty sure they had positive things to say about Garrett. They didn't rave about her but she's not the deepest character.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-27 22:02:51 +0000 UTCGotta love when the comments are inevitably sidetracked by the “We hate Crusher/Troi” peppered with wildly misogynistic language contingent.. just saying
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-06-27 22:01:56 +0000 UTCAfter this one and Deja Q, I think I'm going to reassess what our reactors are going to think of comedic episodes in the future. Humor is subjective, anyway. Though I'd probably categorize this as more of a "fun" episode than a comedy.
Joe Concepts
2024-06-27 22:01:27 +0000 UTCShe is absolutely his type. The only reason she got cast is, some guy named Pat wanted some strange.
harrypothead42024
2024-06-27 20:48:37 +0000 UTCMy head canon is that Vash and the Frengie killed Dr. Samuel Estragon
Greg Quinn
2024-06-27 20:10:19 +0000 UTCHush :D How dare you critisize super weapons in Science Fiction :D
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 19:56:17 +0000 UTCCrusher is the obvious choice? Crusher is the most boring choice. Vash is WAY more Picard's type because she actually attracts the man, not the Captain.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 19:55:47 +0000 UTCWho, Gates? Gates didn't leave, she was fired. If you mean Pulaski, that actress had only signed on for one year as a favor to Gene anyway, and she didn't enjoy the overreliance on techno-babble instead of human connection. She was more old school and already retired at the time and didn't enjoy modern TV making. As for the sexism part.. well.. if we go for that.. as I said, Crusher and Troi are by far the most sexist characters since aside from their appearance and natural "feminine caring" side they have zero to offer, no arc, no personality, no nothing. I'm not saying that's the actresses fault, not at all. But as characters I never saw their appeal.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 19:53:15 +0000 UTCCaptain’s Holiday IS grittier and edgier than most episodes up to that date.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 19:53:01 +0000 UTCEnjoy it a bit more now than I did back in the day. It’s a breather after the last five eps and what is to come.
Stephen Wright
2024-06-27 19:35:01 +0000 UTCYes. He had to write around certain guidelines in TNG, and it smothered him creatively. He thankfully gets everything he needs in a future series ;)
Ca$hWednesday
2024-06-27 19:34:20 +0000 UTCI just remembered this interview, where he sais he wanted the story to be about the captain facing his deepest fear (being promoted, losing the enderprise), but Gene wanted an orgy planet, and apparently he wrote the story as requested and as a result made his decision to leave TNG (not his kind of Star Trek). https://youtu.be/JuJpt3txrbY?si=OlBYje6JhXVL4yAr&t=3019
cbaoth
2024-06-27 19:27:06 +0000 UTCObvious yes, maybe too obvious. I like the idea of them together but I think there are other characters that also have a unique and interesting ..."interpersonal dynamic" with Picard. Unfortunately we can't really go into that here ...yet. All I'll say is, maybe that person is a human, maybe not.
HeyEddie
2024-06-27 19:01:23 +0000 UTCumm wtf?
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 18:40:47 +0000 UTCMBTI?
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 18:40:03 +0000 UTClets not forget IRL the actress left because she was treated with sexism by one of the directors
Derek Orr
2024-06-27 18:39:27 +0000 UTC"Fucking painful" is about how I would describe this episode too. The beginning part with everyone trying to get Picard to leave should have been released as a short and the rest of the episode should have been canned.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-27 18:37:51 +0000 UTCNormally with you guys I find myself coming away from an episode with greater appreciation. I actually came away from this episode liking it even less than I did before, and if I could i'd add a few F-bombs into my Patron take.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-27 18:27:38 +0000 UTCThe obvious match for Picard is Crusher. This entire episode is absolutely awkward once we get into the plot.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-27 18:26:37 +0000 UTCYeah, Vash is a perfect example of the kind of woman you actually need in your life, versus the one you think you do. Picard thinks he needs someone he can have agreeable calm discourse with, but what he really needs is someone to challenge him, keep him on his toes, and wake him from his bland stupor.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-27 18:25:16 +0000 UTCThis is one of my favorites, but I don't watch episodes in the same way as our friends. It is possible to like an episode that isn't perfectly crafted. Sometimes a swim in your pool can be just as satisfying as a swim in the ocean. I did notice in the re-watch with them that it is slowed down by a lot of exposition.
Stevtrek
2024-06-27 18:22:59 +0000 UTCHe usually is, but he also like the silly episodes, especially silly Ferengi, as well. Every once in a while he likes episodes that are just "fun". And admittedly I don't always share his sense of humor. But those episodes are just as much Ira as the other kind.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 18:20:29 +0000 UTCPicard's type: Competent, passionate about something, driven, a little rogue and able to surprise him, and most importantly: Willing to stand up to him and his authority.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 18:18:50 +0000 UTCTroi and Crusher are both nurturing types, which is a strength, even though it’s not recognized as one, whether it’s expressed by male or female characters. The characters of Troi and Crusher could be more well rounded, and, when the show started the traits of the female characters were balanced by Yar’s skills and personality. I miss Yar and I do get tired of the abundance of “let’s have the female character be nurturing” thinking. It took a bit to get used to Pulaski but I liked and miss her too.
Leo Greenwood
2024-06-27 18:10:32 +0000 UTCI've seen a couple, but they where all DS9 related. I figured he was more into the more edgy, grittier stuff than.. Captain's holiday.
sjmpoo
2024-06-27 17:59:56 +0000 UTCAs for Pulaski.. I gotta say... they hire a woman that's older, mature, no longer the typical "sex symbol" type of woman.. and they fire her after one season and do a "working out in spandex in front of a mirror and show off Beverly's ass" episode... which one was better?
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:59:15 +0000 UTCIt's kinda funny but I always felt that TNG has the worst female regulars BY FAR out of all the shows. Crusher and Troi are overly emotional "look nice and be stupid" characters. Literally every single other show makes female character WAY more interesting, funnily enough even the ones they clearly hired for the boobs first, those turned out to be some of the most interesting and amazingly written characters. Troi and Crusher are just "look pretty" bimbos. Sorry to say it, but Tasha was the only woman on TNG I could take seriously. (aside from guest stars and Pulaski obviously).
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:56:52 +0000 UTCNo I made the case of why Crusher is a strong character. I already stated I like Pulaski and I think she's a strong character but since that's now beside the point, let me just clarify that Dr. Crusher is a smoking hot mama and I would like to have many babies with her.
Jonas A. Lind
2024-06-27 17:56:27 +0000 UTCHave you never seen an interview with him? "Let's get the captain laid" is probably his most famous quote lol
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:52:02 +0000 UTCI’m in full agreement.
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 17:52:01 +0000 UTCJumping on the hate train a little bit... next to Troi, Crusher is literally the least interesting woman in all of Star Trek to me. She's boring as hell. I'd replace her with Vash any day of the week. But.. they really like Gates' performance, and I won't fault them for that. But in terms of writing... Beverly never really interested me as a character at all. And I still maintain that Pulaski was a WAY more interesting character.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:50:36 +0000 UTCI kind of agree that Vash is way more Picard's type that Crusher will ever be, but... oh well.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-27 17:47:45 +0000 UTCI didn't know this was a Ira Stephen Behr episode.. This episode seems as far removed from anything I associate with the man as it could possibly be?
sjmpoo
2024-06-27 17:45:54 +0000 UTCFluff episode we were due one
AzoriusMage
2024-06-27 17:28:26 +0000 UTCIf the director does come back, I'm sure a couple episodes down the line it won't be one of their most beloved episodes of the whole series
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 17:18:58 +0000 UTCOne of the (many) reasons I could not be a movie reviewer is that I would have to be in the right mood to watch most films. I also wonder how a reviewer's perspective is skewed by their most recent watches.
Numinous2019
2024-06-27 17:15:54 +0000 UTCFor a "fucking painful" episode at least they didn't shit on it for 44 minutes, it kind of comes out of left field that Josh disliked it at all
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 17:12:41 +0000 UTCI'd give this episode a solid C+ and find it a bit of brainless fun, so your strong negative reaction was a bit of a surprise, but I don't think any of us have the ability to predict how you will feel about episodes that aren't the stone-cold classics that everyone loves at this point. It will be interesting to see how you get on moving forward when what most consider mid-tier episodes become more frequent in this and other Trek series. I'm here for it, though.
Menty
2024-06-27 17:11:37 +0000 UTCI'm reminded of Speed, where Keanu and Sandy had great chemistry and they found out years later they both desperately wanted each other but were too scared to make a play
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:55:45 +0000 UTCA weapon that can destroy a star, what a dumb concept, i hope they learned never to use that again
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:54:39 +0000 UTCWait i thought they liked Rachel Garrett.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:52:01 +0000 UTCAll things Pulaski did (and more). So is it really strength or a pretty face and a soft voice that you’re defending?
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 16:51:40 +0000 UTCWell let's see... habitually risking her own life to do her job in hostile territory, fearless in speaking her mind in presence of authority or with adversaries. These are obvious strong character traits to me but perhaps we're looking at different things. What are you looking for?
Jonas A. Lind
2024-06-27 16:50:38 +0000 UTCThere are much hotter guest stars coming... (Josh isn't reading this so it's okay ;)
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:49:56 +0000 UTCSome of us like a very attractive woman with a low voice ;)
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-27 16:48:57 +0000 UTCBeverly Crusher is a strong female character? I’ve never read anything so wrong in my life 😂
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 16:24:17 +0000 UTCK'Ehleyr the emissary, Lwaxana Troi, Beverly Crusher. Strong female characters they adore. I don't see a pattern here. Personally I enjoyed Pulaski but as for Vash, flat and boring. Captain Garret we really didn't get to know her.
Jonas A. Lind
2024-06-27 16:16:18 +0000 UTCYeah, this episode was just sorta there to fill the quota for the season. It was just...there.
wildhunt1973
2024-06-27 16:16:16 +0000 UTCFor the people who are saying Picard and Vash aren't a good match / she is not his type and so on: Picard wasn't looking for his future wife, he was on vacation. He meets a beautiful intelligent woman and ends up in a little adventure. For a man in his position, Starfleet captain, always on missions…it's understandable how he would allow himself to live in the moment, given an opportunity like this one. That being said, I like Vash and I do think there is a character in the franchise that is/could be a perfect match for Picard. It might be her or someone else. Unfortunately I can't say more at this point for obvious reasons.
HeyEddie
2024-06-27 16:12:58 +0000 UTCThis episode could have been good, had good moments but fell flat. I agree on the chemistry. Always seemed forced to me, despite them both getting together off-screen. Always found it odd Picard just took the Vorgon's word they were from the future and was about to hand over a powerful artifact. That Vorgon rhymes with Horga'hn was also a strange choice.
Lincynity
2024-06-27 16:06:57 +0000 UTCThis one has me in stitches because it’s SO TRUE!
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 16:00:20 +0000 UTCJumping on the anti-Beverly train, can I just mention that it always annoyed me how Gates McFadden WHISPERS every single line of dialogue? Troi is always perky and fun, but then Dr. Crusher just immediately brings the vibe down with McFadden's constant refusal to speak at a normal volume. Are we in church or something? Is the Enterprise a giant library? Speak up, Beverly! You're harshing the groove.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 15:56:53 +0000 UTCAs an ESTP married to an INTJ (supposedly one of the worst matches), I always find MBTI/Keirsey compatibility has shortcomings. Picard likes intelligent people. For his crew, he want to understand them well - one of the reasons he has issues with children. For relationships, it's different - he is attracted to women that he doesn't completely understand (including Beverly outside of her doctor role) - it's the opposite of his work life.
C
2024-06-27 15:52:26 +0000 UTCThey do have good chemistry. But I remember as a kid this was a middle of the road episode. And looking back, it's still kinda fun with the banter, but I can see why you wouldn't like it. It's really a Picard meets a Beautiful Intelligent Female with a plot written around it, Many episodes have been like that, where it looks at life on the ship, a more comedic/light hearted look at the characters, and oh right, we need as ST plot written around it.
Firekrys FWO
2024-06-27 15:40:26 +0000 UTCBy introducing the sex resort planet of Risa, “Captain’s Holiday” raises an interesting question: Why does it not feature Argelius, the sex resort planet from TOS: “Wolf in the Fold”? Two possible answers spring to mind. The writers may have felt that the depiction of Argelius in “Wolf in the Fold” was problematic from a 1990 perspective and did not want to call back to it. They may also still have wanted to avoid TOS references to allow TNG to stand on its own (despite this season’s repeated mentions of the Daystrom Institute). Although my head-canon is that Picard and Philippa Louvois made love after dinner at the end of “The Measure of a Man,” “Captain’s Holiday” is the first TNG episode in which Picard obviously has sex during the episode’s narrative. Patrick Stewart had repeatedly asked for more “sex and shooting” (or an equivalent alliterative phrase) for Picard, and Ira Steven Behr crafted his first solo TNG script to fulfill that request. However, Gene Roddenberry gave Behr some advice about the script which he did not follow, which I think is regrettable. Gene wanted same-sex couples (both male and female) to appear in the scenes on Risa; Rick Berman told Behr to ignore this and “just get the captain laid.” There are three possible reasons for the lack of LGBTQ+ representation in this era of Star Trek. Some commentators have accused Rick Berman of homophobia. There was also the concern (which was sadly realistic in 1990) that local affiliates would refuse to air episodes depicting same-sex relationships in family-oriented timeslots. Most understandably, perhaps, there was a desire on the part of TNG’s production team not to introduce same-sex couples in a tokenistic way. It was possibly for this reason that they had previously rejected proposals to have same-sex couples holding hands in Ten-Forward. In my opinion, “Captain’s Holiday” was an occasion when TNG’s production team should not have been concerned about tokenism. It would have been far more appropriate to include fleeting glimpses of same-sex couples in an episode set on a sex resort planet than on the Enterprise, where fans could legitimately complain that there were no in-depth depictions of such relationships. As Gene Roddenberry’s health declined, his colleagues may have begun taking his advice less seriously, but, in this case, they should have listened to him. Amazingly, there is an Andorian extra in one of the scenes on Risa. Even more amazingly, unlike the holographic Andorian in “The Offspring,” they are the correct color (blue)! I do not recommend waiting to use the restroom until the next time an Andorian appears on screen. As one of the guys recognized, there is also an Antican (one of the dog-like species from “Lonely Among Us”) in an early Risa scene; an Antican had previously made a cameo on Starbase 173 in “The Measure of a Man.” Chip Chalmers, this episode’s director, was one of TNG’s rotating first assistant directors. He had a severe fever during shooting of the Risa scenes and had to lie on a cot between takes; therefore, the portions of this episode that Alex and Josh disliked may not fairly represent his directorial talents. For what I believe is the first time in the series, Data has no dialogue in this episode. Geordi and Wesley do not appear at all. This is only Geordi’s third non-appearance in the series, after “A Matter of Honor” and “Manhunt.” An earlier draft of the script confirmed Picard’s prediction by ending with the Vorgons returning to Risa at the time of Picard’s visit for another try. The writing staff decided this ending was too confusing and removed it. Max Grodénchik (Sovak) had a small role in "The Rocketeer" (which has repeatedly appeared on your Audience Cut polls without winning yet) and played FIDO Gold (i.e., the Flight Dynamics Officer on the Mission Control Gold Team) in "Apollo 13." (Sovak is a confusing name for a Ferengi because it sounds much more like a Vulcan name.) Finally, I regret to report that the production of this episode resulted in the end of Patrick Stewart’s first marriage. Based on their comments at the end of the episode, Alex and Josh may not be able to guess why. (Word of the week: "sybaritic" = "pleasure-seeking.")
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-06-27 15:38:57 +0000 UTCJennifer Hetrick and Patrick Stewart were a thing after this episode, as detailed in his autobiography...a little controversial as he was still married...
Joshua Langweil
2024-06-27 15:32:59 +0000 UTCSame
BN13
2024-06-27 15:19:15 +0000 UTCI made the mistake of peaking at the comments first, dunno if I'll watch this one with them knowing they hate it. From the comments sounds like they heavily disliked it. Odd I thought they'd enjoy the Picard focus and fun light hearted adventure and romance for him. Jen Murray on her channel just got through this one and she really liked it, so this is a bit shocking. I have big video game I've been anticipating releasing tomorrow, I also go on vacation for the entire week of the 4th next week, starting tomorrow. My mood is great its a happy time, Don't need these two soulless Romulans bringing my good mood down :P
Sequiro
2024-06-27 15:10:17 +0000 UTCDidn’t like Pulaski, a woman who stood up for herself. Didn’t mention Rachel Garrett from Yesterday’s Enterprise. Strong dislike for Vash, another strong female character. I’m sensing a pattern (this isn’t a criticism, just an observation…we all have our tastes).
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 14:59:14 +0000 UTCFrom an MBTI perspective, Picard and Vash are not a good match at all. Picard is an Idealist and Vash is an Artisan. There are a lot more Artisans in the world than there are Idealists, so I can see why a ton of people like Vash, because she's THEIR match, but personally, being an Idealist myself, I can't stand her. Those two types tend to really clash because they have completely different core values. And yeah, like most relationships of this type pairing, it's completely based on novelty. It's maybe fine for a fun fling for a while, but anything long term here with Picard and Vash I totally do not buy. This is a product of certain writers and Stewart himself wanting to make Picard more of an Artisan, probably because that's what they are so that's what makes sense to them. Artisans tend to get bored with Idealists pretty quickly.
BN13
2024-06-27 14:55:44 +0000 UTCAh man, I was actually excited for this one and looked into the comments before watching the reaction. I always liked this episode.
HeyEddie
2024-06-27 14:39:49 +0000 UTCWe get it: you’re team Picard/Crusher, the duo that absolutely had noooooo chemistry (Beverly pining for Picard isn’t chemistry).
Column Meanie
2024-06-27 14:39:35 +0000 UTCThis is one of those useless episodes that I care nothing about. And the whole Picard-Vash relationship is.... well, I just don't buy any part of it. And the writer tries to push it as a perfect match. I only saw this when it debut.... and a second time only now. There won't be a third time.
Tom Occhipinti
2024-06-27 14:38:17 +0000 UTCI just got to the end of the video--I hope Josh wasn't serious when he said he wouldn't be reading the comments.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 14:23:39 +0000 UTCHuh. I always thought Picard and Vash had great chemistry. And I found it odd that you didn't think she had any kind of personality. She's avaricious, untrustworthy, carefree and fun--a charming rogue of a character, and I thought she played off Picard very well. And I also have to disagree about the Ferengi--he was weaselly, backstabbing, completely profit-driven, and wary of sly females--a perfect example of who the Ferengi are and not at all like the season one types in my opinion. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this episode.
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-27 14:19:21 +0000 UTCIra Steven Behr is Star Trek royalty. Needless to say. this is not his best work. I don't think this episode is bad, but it just feels like a Season 1 episode for some reason.
Ca$hWednesday
2024-06-27 14:09:45 +0000 UTCThe story may have been compromised by Gene and Patrick both demanding a sex planet and fight scenes, lol
tyranusfan
2024-06-27 13:54:27 +0000 UTCI just wish they had run in to Doctor Stubbs there on vacation to really push you guys off a cliff on this one.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-06-27 13:52:59 +0000 UTCOffscreen chemistry doesn’t always translate to onscreen chemistry.. and romantically it seems it rarely does. I may be somewhat prejudiced here though, as there’s only one actress I think Patrick Stewart really sparks with on TNG.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-06-27 13:36:03 +0000 UTCSame
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 13:24:39 +0000 UTCYeah, this is an old theater joke. If you find the romantic scenes lacking halfway through the production then the leads are probably hooking up backstage.
Menty
2024-06-27 13:24:28 +0000 UTCWell, I liked the episode better than you guys, but to me, it's Star Trek's homage to The Maltese Falcon (look it up). It was okay. I agree with you on the chemistry between Picard and Vash to a certain extent, but not as strongly as you guys. I'd give it a C+/B-.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 13:23:53 +0000 UTCThat's usually how it works from what I understand: if two actors are hooking up off-screen, then the chemistry and heat isn't on-screen. I've always found this episode pretty mid, myself.
StonyD
2024-06-27 13:19:11 +0000 UTCHeh! I'm sorry if you didn't like this episode, you might want to leave now and not read the comments LOL! I won't be the only one to point out that the actress who played Vash (Jennifer Hetrick) and Patrick Stewart actually started an IRL relationship during the shooting of this episode which lasted 2 years! So it's very amusing how you didn't buy the "chemistry" when they were actually boffing. Vash is wonderful imho and the highlight of the episode. No idea why you didn't like the ferengi or the punch. What I thought you'd nitpick was the abhorrent foam costumes with the cheap plastic "windows" and spray painted head but you actually seemed to like that! Different strokes man - better luck next time!
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-27 13:11:21 +0000 UTCIn my bottom third of the season, but always considered it watchable
Jeffrey
2024-06-27 13:07:53 +0000 UTCAmazing you guys thought the actors had no chemistry with what happened between the two off screen.
General Trelane
2024-06-27 13:04:31 +0000 UTCWas worried you guys might like this one. Glad to see I was wrong. Always hated this piece of shit.
Spencer Loften
2024-06-27 13:03:10 +0000 UTCDid Picard bring digging tools on his vacation, or did he just buy them at the gift store on their way out?
Collin Freeman
2024-06-27 13:02:52 +0000 UTCCaptains Holiday - curious to see your reaction to this one. Ultimately all a bit naff haha Watchable tho
Darren Seal
2024-06-27 12:42:44 +0000 UTCSafe to say that broke the streak? Amongst other things 😅
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-06-27 12:38:01 +0000 UTCNot gonna lie, even though she has David Letterman teeth, Vash is hot.
Phil Ken Sebben
2024-06-27 12:05:30 +0000 UTC
