UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S3E17 - Sins of the Father
Added 2024-06-20 14:42:39 +0000 UTCUPDATE - Audio is fixed during reaction. Playing in left ear only for the intro and outro.
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Next to Worf, Picard was the most Klingon person in that room.
Sherpa Jones
2025-03-02 07:14:56 +0000 UTCI didn't say who, I didn't say when, I didn't say under what circumstances. I merely illustrated that Klingons do live a long time. I guess I spoiled the fact that Klingons appear at least once in the seven season run of DS9.
John
2024-07-08 14:56:16 +0000 UTCThat's a spoiler.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-07-08 14:23:22 +0000 UTCSmells of a reluctance to decide on a name for the homeworld. Perhaps the producers didn’t want to make it definite yet for some reason
tyranusfan
2024-06-25 21:05:11 +0000 UTConce again, captain picard shows us why he is one of the best characters in television history
ET
2024-06-25 12:25:26 +0000 UTCKlingons do live a long time. Some Klingons from TOS appear on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
John
2024-06-23 10:47:08 +0000 UTCAfter his gig as a starship captain, Picard should have become an ambulance chaser. "If you have need of an attorney who'll fight for you, call 1-800-5PIC-CARD. We'll engage the courts. We'll make it so ... easy, and make them pay."
Collin Freeman
2024-06-22 19:28:01 +0000 UTCalso, great to have a visit from Tony
William Roberts
2024-06-22 08:43:53 +0000 UTCBANGER. AFTER BANGER. AFTER BANGER.
William Roberts
2024-06-22 08:41:32 +0000 UTCI think his proper title is Chancellor, though I'm not sure that's been actually established yet by this episode.
Jovet
2024-06-21 20:58:05 +0000 UTCYes, I was referring to Michael Dorn. Neither Mom nor I ever learned to speak Klingon; in fact, I have a larger vocabulary in the Elvish languages than in Klingon, although it's not possible to learn them well enough to have conversations, as it is with Klingon.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-06-21 13:21:35 +0000 UTCIf you're going to court you know you want Picard on your side!
Todd Pritchett
2024-06-21 10:07:45 +0000 UTC"What if the blunt end hit" I'm pretty sure Klingon nannies know how to throw knives better than that. No missing.
SageGreenGoat
2024-06-21 04:21:20 +0000 UTCTop tier episode for sure. I've been saying for years, Worf is like the guy who marries into a Jewish family and takes the traditions more seriously than the lifetime adherents. Everything he knows about Klingons is literally textbook. Whatever he could learn while growing up with humans. He built this mythos up in his mind, and worked his ass off to live up to it, combined with the best traits of humanity that he learned from starfleet. Now that he finally sees not only klingons, but the leadership of the Klingon Empire for what they really are, he has to come to terms with the fact that they're all full of shit. He viewed himself as a pretender, but in truth he's the keeper of the flame. He's what klingons SHOULD be. I love when Picard says "what does this say about an empire that holds honor so dear". There almost no question that spits in the face of a klingon more, but they know they can't say anything. Kurn is great as well, and you'd expect no less from Tony Todd. Probably should have made the guy a rare steak though. I appreciate his devotion to stand with his brother, but Worf was definitely playing it smart here. Can't regain your family's honor if you're dead. I don't know if K'Mpec and Duras were the only ones who knew Kurn was Worf's brother, but when Worf says "you must also, brother", I just imagine one of the councillors being like "what? I heard that". Despite being very much a Worf episode, I think Picard is the real MVP here. From seemingly denying Worf leave only to follow up with basically "we do this together"(which I think surprised Kurn), to agreeing to be cha'DIch without a second thought, to flat out defying the Klingon high council in defense of one of his crew, Picard shows more true honor than any klingon in this episode aside from Worf or Kurn. Telling Duras he's not afraid to fight him to his face, as well as taking out the assassins, was also pretty badass. Fantastic episode, and great development for the klingon plotline. It's a shame that no matter the culture or the place, politicians are gonna politician.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-21 03:00:41 +0000 UTCHe is their President
Derek Orr
2024-06-21 02:22:29 +0000 UTCIt was fine, I had my ear bud in the left ear and my right toward the TV. 😁
tyranusfan
2024-06-21 02:20:47 +0000 UTCI wonder sometimes if Kahlest acting depressed was a test of Picard. Maybe she wanted to see how he would act.
tyranusfan
2024-06-21 02:18:24 +0000 UTCYeah he definitely comes off like a rich, entitled bully
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-21 01:30:09 +0000 UTCToday is a good day to die
Just another Red Shirt
2024-06-21 00:40:52 +0000 UTCNah, Picard is just badass. You do not start a fight with him. There's more I'd like to say here, but I will not to avoid spoilers.
FPG
2024-06-20 22:54:01 +0000 UTCI think we all know what the best episode of the season is, let alone the best moment.
Jovet
2024-06-20 22:02:08 +0000 UTCKlingon "Imperial Empire" ... hey Ron, you might have wanted to wordsmith that a bit more.
JGoss
2024-06-20 22:00:17 +0000 UTCAs my blind father used to say, "How do you spell dumb? DUM!"
Jovet
2024-06-20 21:59:50 +0000 UTC@Target Audience LOL! Bullshit! hahaha
Jovet
2024-06-20 21:58:01 +0000 UTCI thought he did fine. We aren't expected to embrace his character. And [spoilers]!
Jovet
2024-06-20 21:57:05 +0000 UTCWelcome to Ronald D Moore true calling in Trek.
Mark Wood
2024-06-20 21:37:44 +0000 UTCI have two answers to this depending on my mood. One is the popular answer. One… is not but one I’ve always loved.
Darren Seal
2024-06-20 21:20:16 +0000 UTCNotice how it took only 2 Klingons to shank Kurn but it took 3 Klingons to *almost* take out Picard? I am not convinced these Klingons are the warriors we've been led to believe.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-20 20:26:52 +0000 UTCI'll need to check in with you later on this. There's the "Standard," generally accepted answer to what is the "Best" of this season - I keep trying to discuss without any hint of spoilers and can't, so I'll wait. Suffice to say I don't agree with the popular answer.
Matt Newmark
2024-06-20 20:25:42 +0000 UTCYesterday’s Enterprise, the Offspring and Sins of the Father three episodes showcasing trek storytelling at its most diverse and demonstrating just how good TNG really is and yet for me we still haven’t seen the best of the season 😅.
Darren Seal
2024-06-20 20:13:00 +0000 UTCYes, he was a bad actor, but he served his purpose.
Collin Freeman
2024-06-20 20:02:18 +0000 UTCDeja Q is a C-list episode, only John Delance being in it raises it to a C level.
harrypothead42024
2024-06-20 19:41:30 +0000 UTCThe planet was the Klingon homeworld. It has not been named yet in the series.
Screaming Frog
2024-06-20 19:27:24 +0000 UTCThis episode won an Emmy for Outstanding Art Direction for a Series
Joshua Langweil
2024-06-20 19:25:40 +0000 UTCI love the Klingon Great Hall designed for this ep by Richard James which won an Emmy for Best Art Design for this episode. I love the relationship between Worf and Kurn in this episode. The way his command style aggravates the crew to such a great degree, though I understand how it added to the story, is still a little hard for me to swallow. I mean seriously did they really expect anything less from a Klingon? Especially after Riker's experience aboard the Klingon ship. And after all the years they have served with Worf? But that minor point aside I still really liked this one.
Comrade Wireless Caller
2024-06-20 19:24:25 +0000 UTCFor me he sounds like the entitled rich kid/trust-fund baby coasting off the accomplishments of his forebearers' successes and money, thinking that gives him authority and obvious respect when the truth is he's an incompetent, snotty weasel everyone tolerates cause of how easily manipulatible he is. In which case the man's acting has been spot on for me.
Nolan
2024-06-20 19:22:25 +0000 UTCGreat e-Isolde and really develops Worf showing what an honourable person he is
AzoriusMage
2024-06-20 19:09:17 +0000 UTCI said Rod, however apparently Siri didn’t hear that properly, And I didn’t hear her say Rob to me when she repeated it back. One, One of the hazards of being blind sound right when you’re on the fly
Thicketdweller
2024-06-20 19:08:08 +0000 UTCIt's Rob Halford lol
Captain Proton
2024-06-20 19:05:49 +0000 UTCHe's still too fat 😂
snthd
2024-06-20 18:51:51 +0000 UTCHowever, the very best episodes end on a scene AND Ron Jones music.
JGoss
2024-06-20 18:34:58 +0000 UTCWe actually hated the episode until that moment
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 18:32:36 +0000 UTCThank you JD, yes. I fixed the reaction audio, but forgot the intro and outro are separate. Reaction itself should be both.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 18:30:56 +0000 UTCWE... Arethecreator.
Steven Johnson
2024-06-20 18:29:12 +0000 UTCAnd then it goes back to left channel when the show ends, hah
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 18:27:58 +0000 UTCIt's only left side until the show starts at 1:25 and then it's fixed.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 18:27:14 +0000 UTCThere is more creaking leather in this than there ever was on any stage of Judas Priest. And if you ever saw live aid 1985 I don’t know how Rod Halbert got on stage with that much leather in 100° temperatures
Thicketdweller
2024-06-20 18:26:43 +0000 UTCYeah all on the left side
Andreas Schmitt
2024-06-20 18:22:04 +0000 UTCYeah I’m lost lol.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 18:20:42 +0000 UTCCan't wait until you guys have finished the other 1 billion hours of Star Trek so you can start leaving the wiki open in your browser at all times like the rest of us.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-20 18:16:21 +0000 UTCOf course, if the Klingons and Romulans were in open war at the time, it makes sense that more than one outpost would have been attacked. But for two of those events to be so significant to the crew of the Enterprise-D a couple decades later seems like it couldn't have been a coincidence.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-20 18:14:47 +0000 UTCI'm still getting a left-ear thing. But at least I can watch it now
StonyD
2024-06-20 18:11:47 +0000 UTCMAN I wanted to talk about the different planet names so badly when Alex and Josh watched Yesterday's Enterprise and kept asking if it was about Worf's backstory. I wasn't sure Khitomer had been named yet in the series by that point so I didn't say it. I have always thought that the two events must have been the same at some point in the development of the stories for this season. The time difference is so close and the events are so similar. It would have been kind of awesome if it had been the Enterprise-C and Alt-Tasha who saved Baby Worf.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-20 18:11:33 +0000 UTCYou guys need to remember.....
Numinous2019
2024-06-20 18:08:32 +0000 UTCThe difference between a great episode or just a good episode for Target Audience: "Does it end on a scene rather than an Enterprise shot? Yes/No?"
JGoss
2024-06-20 18:07:22 +0000 UTCRonald D. Moore is now officially "the Klingon guy"
JGoss
2024-06-20 18:01:08 +0000 UTCBecause the "second" one would be a better fight.
Jovet
2024-06-20 17:51:23 +0000 UTCThe holy trinity of season 3 episodes for me… Yesterday’s Enterprise, The Offspring, and Sins of the Father.
Brian Moore
2024-06-20 17:46:07 +0000 UTCOh yes, quite punchable. He's like two Dr. Stubbs
JGoss
2024-06-20 17:45:56 +0000 UTCSick Old Man Picard!
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 17:45:09 +0000 UTCCongrats to him
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 17:45:02 +0000 UTCBut he has a face you want to punch as Duras, so in that regard he's perfect
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 17:44:17 +0000 UTCI just realized what a bad actor Patrick Massett was as Duras. He could barely speak his lines through those fake teeth. It sounds flat and robotic. Or if he's ADR, then that's even worse.
JGoss
2024-06-20 17:39:19 +0000 UTC39:20 He's not just "the judge guy." He's the leader of the Klingon High Council and of the entire Empire.
Jovet
2024-06-20 17:31:34 +0000 UTCNarendra III of Yesterday's Enterprise was 2 years before Khitomer. Narendra III - 2344 Khitomer - 2346
David Brown
2024-06-20 17:28:09 +0000 UTCI love when Troi laughs when Kurn mentions resisting killing Riker, as though it's a joke and she totally gets it! lol
James Bottas
2024-06-20 17:04:36 +0000 UTCWithout getting into spoilers I think the whole cast get to shine although Stewart and Spiner emerge as very influential. Frakes directs key episodes. They work like a theatre company which was familiar to several of them, and supported each other to deliver the best quality episodes.
Paul Rymer
2024-06-20 16:57:15 +0000 UTCneat about cha'dich. Did your mother actually speak klingonese? I'm not sure who the third one is. Stewart and Spiner are obvious. Dorn? Wheaton's fine for the role he's playing. Though he doesn't play it much different then he played the lead in "Stand By Me" but older. His issues where the first season scripts, which tried to create a character appealing to younger newer fans as an obvious fantasy projection for the type of kids they assumed would be into sci-fi and how they perceived themselves. But it was majorly annoying to adults and famously, even Wheaton himself was annoyed at what they were writing for him as he understood why the audience would hate him. Though his character is actually fine past the first season given the arc that was setup in the first. I don't think he's actually THAT annoying, the hate got mixed in with what people generally didnt like about the new show who weren't prepared to like it. And generally that to build him up they had to make other characters look stupid. there's also something an unsavory aspect to the hate. The fact he didn't fit into the.... masculine hero role people liked about the characters from TOS. Sort of a "what a wimpy, whiny kid" and the obviously terrible introduction in the Naked Now where whiz kid comes up with the genious solution that saves the ship even though hes drunk for the first time. And the Sweater didn't help with any of that, his uniform past that was fine. Looked better in the grey then the regular uniform in my opinion, he didn't lookr right as a full officer whic maybe was intended? Anyway, was it Dorn? Frakes does over act sometimes. I think Burton has to be considered more impressive when we remember he didnt have his eyes to work with and could barely see out of the visor prop. TA's favorites are clearly McFadden and Burton. While they're all talented, I think Stewart and Spiner are the clearly the most so. Oh and Colm Meaney is really great too. and we saw in "The Neutral Zone" one of trek's best actors, Marc Alaimo. John De Lancie is great at Q. Sirits and Goldberg are also great actors after you realize what they're like when they're not acting. Trying to think of notoriously bad actors from TNG. there were a few i TOS. That guy in Balance of Terror who reports from the Base being attacked... of course in the first season, guest actors had little context for what was expected even though the staff tried to really brief them.
paultardspambot .
2024-06-20 16:52:40 +0000 UTCI'm sorry I can't agree on your take re: "The Three" nor can I accept your insinuation that somehow Wil Wheaton is a lesser actor than anyone else in the cast (At least back then anyway :D)
Matt Newmark
2024-06-20 16:52:03 +0000 UTC*the videos been removed?!* You may test that assumption at your convenience.
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-06-20 16:36:51 +0000 UTCAudio is fixed, video back up
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 16:35:58 +0000 UTCMono audio only playing on one side.
Menty
2024-06-20 16:35:17 +0000 UTCShe was of course a lawyer herself before leaving it behind to become a writer.
Menty
2024-06-20 16:34:37 +0000 UTCLike, was there some error or technical issue or something that showed up in the video?
paultardspambot .
2024-06-20 16:31:42 +0000 UTCanyone know why it was removed?
paultardspambot .
2024-06-20 16:30:53 +0000 UTCHoping we get an email when this is back up so I can stop refreshing.
Stephen Wright
2024-06-20 16:16:13 +0000 UTCAn emotionally wrenching time-travel story involving changing history. An even more heartbreaking tale of personal love and loss for the show’s least emotional character, featuring an unforgettably beautiful score and marking the debut of the show’s finest director. A deep dive into the culture of an alien crewmember, depicting his homeworld on screen for the first time and deepening his bond with his captain. But we’re not here to discuss “The City on the Edge of Forever,” “This Side of Paradise” and “Amok Time.” With “Sins of The Father” (and yes, that is how the title is capitalized onscreen, as awkward as it looks), TNG accomplishes something very few science fiction shows have done, producing three consecutive episodes that are worthy of perfect 10s. "Doctor Who" did the same in 2007 with “Human Nature,” “The Family of Blood” and “Blink,” but that achievement is slightly less impressive because “Human Nature” and “The Family of Blood” are a two-part story. “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” “The Offspring” and “Sins of The Father” are separate and unrelated installments of an episodic television series, which could have aired in any order at any point in the season. The TNG staff (now including Ronald D. Moore) developed “Sins of The Father” from two separate scripts: “Brother to Dragons” by Drew Deighan (who receives story credit on the finished episode), about Worf’s father being accused of treason, and “Our Brother’s Keeper” by Beth Woods, the co-writer of “Contagion,” featuring Worf’s brother. Credited co-screenwriter W. Reed Moran left the project after the first draft, with Moore and Michael Piller finalizing the script. “cha’DIch” was my late mother’s favorite Klingon word due to both its sound and its connotations in this episode. The word means “second,” and shares two of that word’s meanings in English: the ordinal form of the number two, and the assistant or backup to a person engaged in a duel or other affair of honor. For example, John Travolta’s character takes part in the climactic street race in "Grease" because he is the cha’DIch of another character who sustains a concussion just beforehand. “cha’DIch” does not mean “second” as in a small unit of time, since the Klingons have an entirely different measurement system; the closest equivalent to our “second” is “lup.” Linguist Marc Okrand, the creator of the Klingon language, suggested multiple names for the Klingon homeworld for use in “Sins of The Father,” but the finished episode simply calls it “the Homeworld.” In “Heart of Glory,” Korris refers to the planet as “Kling,” the name which Gene Coon (the writer of “Errand of Mercy” and creator of the Klingons) originally intended, but TNG’s writers rejected that name during the development of “Sins of The Father.” Much later, however, the Star Trek franchise would acknowledge Kling as an alternative name of the planet. As Alex and Josh recognized, Charles Cooper (Klingon Chancellor K’mpec) also played Klingon General Korrd in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier; K’mpec even wears the same cloak as Korrd. (It would have been unlikely for the episode to acknowledge K’mpec as Korrd’s descendant because Gene Roddenberry disliked Final Frontier so much that he was encouraging fans and writers at this time to consider it non-canonical.) Cooper also played a physician-astronaut in “Voice of Infinity,” a 1960 episode of "Men into Space." As Alex and Josh also recognized, Tony Todd (Kurn) played the title role in all four "Candyman" films. Finally, on a less positive note, “Sins of The Father” marks the approximate point in the series when TNG’s writers became conscious of the fact that three of the show’s regular cast members had delivered finer performances over the last two-and-a-half seasons than those of their colleagues. This was largely because these three actors had received richer scripts that gave them better opportunities to display their talents than their castmates had experienced. Nonetheless, the result was that TNG’s writers began to give these three actors even more imaginative and challenging scripts to take advantage of their abilities. Therefore, the three gave even more memorable performances, which in turn inspired the writers to give them even better material ad infinitum. Meanwhile, the rest of the cast, shut out of leading roles in the show’s headliner episodes, had to make do with fun sci-fi mysteries, cheesy comedies, and ill-conceived love stories. I do not think I need to identify the three actors who were now more equal than the rest of the ensemble. This situation was not their fault, nor was it the fault of their colleagues, all of whom (except, arguably, Wil Wheaton) were as talented as they were but had not had the same good luck with the show’s scripts. (It did not help matters that Ronald D. Moore was a major Klingon fan.) Although they would continue to deliver unforgettable performances in their iconic roles, and TNG would always remain far more of an ensemble piece than TOS had been, five of TNG’s regulars had now, in a sense, fallen behind, and would never catch up.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-06-20 16:07:10 +0000 UTCI’ve heard people talk shit about the JAG officer enlisting Picard and Riker, but I’ve heard that Melissa Snodgrass did her research on actual naval law practices.
Philbot
2024-06-20 16:06:31 +0000 UTCLooks like I watched it just in time. Guess I'll have to watch it again once it's back again. I remember back when you weren't too sure about Picard yet. He has now raised badassery to an art form. Do you suppose Worf enjoyed ordering him to be quiet?
KatWithAttitude
2024-06-20 16:06:08 +0000 UTCRemoved by the Creator?
Philbot
2024-06-20 16:04:43 +0000 UTCPicard friggin passed the BAR on Earth and Qo'nos.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-06-20 15:59:09 +0000 UTCGrrrrr...there goes my lunch hour! One channel two channel, left right...who cares! ;)
Stephen Wright
2024-06-20 15:55:25 +0000 UTCI think they are going to reupload with fixed audio
Jeffrey
2024-06-20 15:54:34 +0000 UTCWTF?! Where is it? I just sat down to watch!
Stephen Wright
2024-06-20 15:52:13 +0000 UTCMy right ear is lonely. Much like Warf after discommendation
Sequiro
2024-06-20 15:51:42 +0000 UTCBet you never expected a banger streak like this amiright!? I love how so much stuff happens in this episode even though the first 12 minutes are a total fake-out that it's just a standard exchange program. Picard knife fight had to get some play in the discussion!
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-20 15:46:45 +0000 UTC"Holy shit" - indeed!
Jeffrey
2024-06-20 15:42:14 +0000 UTCgreat reaction to a great episode. btw caution when looking up actors or characters it could lead to spoilers
Narnman
2024-06-20 15:40:39 +0000 UTCI know, I always get these notifications first thing in the morning before work.
Firekrys FWO
2024-06-20 15:29:32 +0000 UTCGAH. now I have to wait 9 hours before I can watch it. But let's gooooooooooooooo!!! The start of the banger Klingon episodes. And now I can watch Offspring... the emotional sadness from that episode will get slapped aside when followed by this banger.
Firekrys FWO
2024-06-20 15:28:29 +0000 UTCAh, forgot that this one was next. Looking forward to checking this out after work.
Menty
2024-06-20 15:24:29 +0000 UTCOk Monty I’ll try to meet your deadline lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 15:21:02 +0000 UTC"You may test that assumption at your convenience" - Most starfleet way of saying fuck around and find out
TivAcrid
2024-06-20 15:18:05 +0000 UTCYou better be 9 minutes in
Pokeysaurus
2024-06-20 15:10:02 +0000 UTCYes please. I plan on watching late this afternoon.
Monty Crawford
2024-06-20 15:09:51 +0000 UTCLeft channel for Klingon episodes, Right channel for Romulan episodes, telepathy only for Troi episodes.
Paul Hess
2024-06-20 15:09:42 +0000 UTCI do not know why the audio keeps only being on the left side. I’ll try to figure it out and fix it
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-06-20 15:01:28 +0000 UTCSame here
Doug
2024-06-20 15:00:29 +0000 UTCIs it just me or is audio on the left channel only?
Doug
2024-06-20 14:59:32 +0000 UTCIs it just me or is this one's audio only on the left channel for some reason?
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 14:58:30 +0000 UTC"Where are the good episodes, guys????"
JD Nevesytrof
2024-06-20 14:56:45 +0000 UTCLFG!!!
Matt Newmark
2024-06-20 14:54:48 +0000 UTCThis is another one of those "am I going to skip work and get in trouble" episodes. Looking forward to your reaction.
Paul Hess
2024-06-20 14:51:06 +0000 UTCI am so excited for this !!!!!!
Steve Krautkramer
2024-06-20 14:49:44 +0000 UTC15 mins till I finish work, can't wait
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-06-20 14:45:35 +0000 UTCExcited for this one! So much Worf lore!!!
Column Meanie
2024-06-20 14:44:40 +0000 UTC😭😭
llama
2024-06-20 14:43:58 +0000 UTC🥰
A G
2024-06-20 14:43:39 +0000 UTC
