PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG - S3E17
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George likes his chicken spicy!
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-20 13:25:46 +0000 UTCYou're BOTH right!
Jovet
2024-06-20 03:59:46 +0000 UTCI'd try it!
Jovet
2024-06-20 03:58:59 +0000 UTCThen throw around some sausage, spice things up!
Jovet
2024-06-20 03:58:41 +0000 UTC@David Brown Worf's head ridges are different than Worf's.
Jovet
2024-06-20 03:53:50 +0000 UTCKeylest should debate Donald Trump.
Chris S.
2024-06-19 14:12:46 +0000 UTCIf you’re fat, you’re fat. It is what it is.
Chris S.
2024-06-19 14:12:07 +0000 UTCTime for more Klingon LuuOOoooOOOoOOreee with insights to the fascinating world of Klingon politics. Where we learn the difference between Real Honor & the currency of fake honor
Justin DiBari
2024-06-19 02:14:41 +0000 UTCTrek episodes are often made or broken based on how good the guest star portrayals are, interacting with the ensemble cast. Tony Todd put in an excellent performance as Kurn, and Charles Cooper gets honorable perfect pitch mention for brooding old leader K'mpec. That part could have easily been overacted and would have been silly but instead was perfect.
Paul Hess
2024-06-19 01:51:02 +0000 UTCAre we seriously still calling each other "fat" in the 24th century? I thought we started phasing that out in the late 20th century.
Smear Campaign
2024-06-18 22:14:21 +0000 UTCWorf started TNG impulsively throwing his animal-like incandescent rage around, shooting from the lip. Data started TNG cerebral, deferred to the hierarchy, and subservient. Both characters have moved towards the centre from opposite sides by acquiring a little of each others season 1 traits.
Smear Campaign
2024-06-18 22:10:55 +0000 UTCThe finale of the Ep. 15-17 Trifecta. Top 1, 3, and 4 of this season for me. Yes, that means there are two more episodes that round out the top five of this season still to come! This should cement the greatness of Season 3.
Stephen Wright
2024-06-18 18:34:07 +0000 UTCAs much as I love the Worf episodes up to this point, this one has always been my favorite because it really opens up the show to the Klingons and who they are as a people in TNG and beyond. Also some really good Picard moments here as well.
LMPGames
2024-06-18 18:29:53 +0000 UTCThis episode gives us insight not only into Klingon lore, but also into the Empire's political relationships outside the Federation. It breaks new ground and makes Worf's character all the richer for it.
The Cincinnatian
2024-06-18 18:29:34 +0000 UTCK'mpec's head ridges are different than Korrd's.
David Brown
2024-06-18 17:46:03 +0000 UTCI tend to think of this and the previous 2 episodes as a “holy trinity” of season 3. Three amazing episodes that bang so hard, the cops get called.
Brian Moore
2024-06-18 15:36:26 +0000 UTCGreat worf episode, you’re going to love this because 1,it’s a Klingon episode and 2, it’s a Klingon court episode…. And 3, your still fat line just brilliant delivery, also it gives us insight into what happened when the enterprise-c went back and fought to the bitter end over the Klingon world ( worfs home )
Warpiggaming
2024-06-18 14:58:18 +0000 UTCFor me it's the opposite, I've always found it interesting that he's lived his life acting how he thinks Klingons are supposed to be, and every time he has come into contact with other Klingons so far, they don't quite live up to his expectations...
Brendon Waldron
2024-06-18 13:08:00 +0000 UTCProbably a flaming hot take, but I always thought Worf was one of the least interesting Klingons Trek ever gave us. His constant stoicism can just get boring after awhile. K'Ehleyr and Kurn are just so much more fun. Loosen up, Worf!
Charlie's Illiteracy
2024-06-18 12:36:58 +0000 UTCSheamus and McIntyre: "Banger after banger after banger!" Its got Klingons so of course its fantastic. Klingon's, Warf, Picard and court as focus. There is no way you won't love it.
Sequiro
2024-06-18 09:17:43 +0000 UTC“You’re still fat.” 😂 My favorite part.
Christopher Boutwell
2024-06-18 05:09:08 +0000 UTCPicard throws out the most badass diplomatic phrase I have ever heard in this episode. "You may test that assumption at your convenience" is basically the geopolitical version of F**k around, find out.
ijp8834
2024-06-18 03:40:48 +0000 UTCBit too articulate for Macho as well...his brother the Genius could definitely use it. But then he'd prance around before getting his ass kicked.
Greg Quinn
2024-06-18 03:12:53 +0000 UTCOne episode for sure...but Maybe not episodes... but of course Opinions vary.
Greg Quinn
2024-06-18 03:11:27 +0000 UTCHis empathic abilities were turned off in that moment. Lol Unless she was laughing sarcastically, like "good luck, Will bodies Klingons"....
Greg Quinn
2024-06-18 03:09:40 +0000 UTCWorf owed him one, at the beginning Duras backhanded slap Worf in the beginning.
Christopher Dorn
2024-06-18 02:08:20 +0000 UTCI love how Troi laughs at that, thinking he's joking and not realizing he was actually serious.
Ian Westcott
2024-06-18 02:06:03 +0000 UTCI make a Kung Pao chicken that is just too spicy for almost everyone I know. I bet Kurn would love it.
Ian Westcott
2024-06-18 02:05:35 +0000 UTCTo be fair, that dinner did look bland as hell
Lwaxana’s Poolboy
2024-06-18 01:08:25 +0000 UTCPrediction...this becomes their favorite episode of the season (at least up until now).
Greg Quinn
2024-06-18 00:22:12 +0000 UTCThe episode where we really see that Worf...the Klingon raised by humans; is the one who Klingon who really lives by his cultures ideals. And because of that he is willing to accept discommendation, with much lesser Klingons turning their backs (metaphorically and literally) on him...
Greg Quinn
2024-06-18 00:20:48 +0000 UTCThe biggest Klingon lore dump of any episode to date. Picard defending yet another of his officers - both “in court” and in battle. Great lighting, make-up, sets and costumes. I predict you guys will love this episide…as do I.
Brian K
2024-06-17 23:35:04 +0000 UTC"How long has this bird been dead?". I use that one every Thanksgiving.
Screaming Frog
2024-06-17 23:32:28 +0000 UTCCheck out the deleted scenes. There's a cut bit of dialogue in the middle of that line. WORF: You must also. KURN: May you stand here again someday and roar over the fallen bodies of your enemies. WORF: We will stand together .... brother.
JGoss
2024-06-17 21:26:31 +0000 UTCgotta love this episode, it really give some great world building to the inner working of Klingon society, and show just like in the real world there corruption and politics in a empire meant to uphold honor above all else
Dark Kronis
2024-06-17 21:17:26 +0000 UTCThat head nod at the end was more valuable than paragraphs of exposition on Klingon culture and politics.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-17 20:39:55 +0000 UTCKlingon Court, and Klingon LOooooorREE - in spades. With Picard pulling no punches, literally or verbally, to defend his officer - even willing to risk the peace with the Klingons to do it. Top tier content, and only the start of this story... What was your favourite bit of Klingon lore you learned from this one?
The Ninth Doctor
2024-06-17 20:29:23 +0000 UTC"I find the constraints a bit difficult to conform to. Just a short while ago, I had to stop myself from killing Commander Riker." Best line of the episode, and Kurn (played by Tony Todd) holds his own easily with playing off the rest of the regular cast. The start of a truly glorious story...
The Ninth Doctor
2024-06-17 20:25:41 +0000 UTC"You must also... brother." This last line of the episode, and Kurn's reaction, kills me every time. Worf has literally found his family, and must ask him to turn his back for his own good. Chills, and the first appearance of a great guest character. What are your thoughts/hopes on where this story may go from here..?
The Ninth Doctor
2024-06-17 20:22:14 +0000 UTCYou guys are going to love this episode, and also get to see my favorite guest actor!
Eric Singer
2024-06-17 20:06:11 +0000 UTCI can un-redact my third favorite non-Worf Klingon now: Kurn! Tony Todd turns everything he touches to gold. I'd be stoked if the entire episode was Kurn pissing in the main cast's cheerios, but the Worf lore must go on. Qapla'! PS: Duras is bottom of the Klingons list. All the homeys hate Duras. ghe'torDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'!
Juan Tutrífor
2024-06-17 19:21:41 +0000 UTCAs you did with The Bonding, PLEASE check out the deleted scenes compilation on TrekCore afterward. This had a lot of trimmed scenes and good extra dialog. Examples like Kurn admitting a little too quickly to Duras that he is Worf's brother. Cut dialog made that a little clearer why. It really misses that last line between Worf and Kurn.
JGoss
2024-06-17 18:38:11 +0000 UTCWorf getting at least SOME justice at the end "YOU....are the son of a traitor", the backhanded slap, Duras HAVING to take it, K'mpec smiling and nodding, and Worf ending "NOW I am ready", such a great character moment for all.
JGoss
2024-06-17 18:30:30 +0000 UTCSpock existed never fully human, never fully Vulcan, but hard work and dedication, he embodied the best example of a Vulcan. Now with Worf, he lives in between his human upbringing and his Klingon heart, and here he embodies the best aspects of both and aspires to be the greatest example of a Klingon through his self-sacrifice.
JGoss
2024-06-17 18:15:14 +0000 UTCLove this episode. But there are still more episodes that surpass this in season 3. Banger tho. Kurn is awesome!
Miah1138
2024-06-17 18:09:48 +0000 UTCLots of good stuff on the cutting room floor too.
JGoss
2024-06-17 18:07:39 +0000 UTCI always wanted a Klingon centered show.
Miah1138
2024-06-17 18:04:51 +0000 UTCI HATE THIS EPISODE. Just kidding, it's great and I think you'll enjoy it. TNG continues to elevate the Klingons beyond the simple warrior barbarian trope. We've come a long way from white guys in dark makeup and Fu Manchu beards.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-06-17 17:58:25 +0000 UTCI dearly hope we get to hear Alex or Josh try to read that aloud
GreenCauldron08
2024-06-17 17:25:45 +0000 UTCklingon things are winding up. this is a great episode. so much great content to come in season 3. this is a stand out episode in a season of stand out episodes
David Marcoot
2024-06-17 17:25:27 +0000 UTCExecute!!
Jovet
2024-06-17 16:36:41 +0000 UTC“The alliance with the Federation is not based on lies, K'mpec!”
Jovet
2024-06-17 16:35:46 +0000 UTC*What he and the Council did to Worf and his family
Jovet
2024-06-17 16:33:23 +0000 UTCAnd *without* honor.
Jovet
2024-06-17 16:31:11 +0000 UTCI thought it was Welsh.
Jovet
2024-06-17 16:26:50 +0000 UTCCandyman Candyman Candyman. Another season 3 BANGER.
Faitestealer
2024-06-17 16:21:58 +0000 UTCI can't see Stone Cold using that phrase. I can see Macho Man using it, though
Jeffrey
2024-06-17 16:02:12 +0000 UTC"You may test that assumption at your convenience"- Jean-Luc "Stone Cold" Picard
irohtheteamaster
2024-06-17 16:00:12 +0000 UTCI predict y'all will love this episode. Top tier Klingon content
Cirk Bejnar
2024-06-17 15:57:12 +0000 UTCDeep dive into Klingon culture. I predict Alex and Josh will love this episode.
Nick Sauer
2024-06-17 15:47:22 +0000 UTCTony Todd has entered the chat. Star Trek is better forever now. Also, If you take all the Worf episodes in Trek and watch just them, you have a better character arc than you would if you did that with any other character.
Steve Boshear
2024-06-17 15:42:05 +0000 UTCAh Tony Todd. Went out for a night on the town with him about 20 years ago. I think I got home at 5am. The guy is a force of nature and an incredible actor!
Jonathan Llyr
2024-06-17 15:40:14 +0000 UTC"A demonstration can be arranged!"
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-17 15:29:27 +0000 UTCThis is a great backstory episode. Worf, family, deception, politics, court. Banger for sure. TNG rolling now. A deep dive into Worfs history and his honor as well as his dedication to his people. Anyone else gonna put themselves so far down to protect their people.
Lt Dan I scream
2024-06-17 15:19:17 +0000 UTC"You may test that assumption at your convenience" is one of my favorite Picard lines. Leave it to him to find the classiest way to say "fuck around and find out"
Neill Shaughness
2024-06-17 14:44:29 +0000 UTCBanger, banger, banger! Picard is the man (the klingon?)! No one will stand up for his crew more, and no one else has such a moral backbone. You want to destroy my lieutenant's honor to protect your power? I'm willing to destroy the alliance between the Federation and the Empire for him, because it is what is right and just
Jeffrey
2024-06-17 14:25:31 +0000 UTCIf you don't like this episode, there's no hope for you. But I think you will absolutely, completely love this one. Worf took one for the Empire. I hated Klingons after this one because their so-called honor became meaningless, but Worf's became even stronger.
wildhunt1973
2024-06-17 14:18:52 +0000 UTCHats off to Tony Todd. The man has skills.
Vikingdad
2024-06-17 14:18:48 +0000 UTCSuch a great episode. I love how it starts off as a simple followup to last season’s “Matter of Honor” and concludes by upending Worf’s place in the eyes of the Klingons. Love Charles Cooper’s portrayal as Kempec. We saw him in Trek 5 as General Korrd. And love the open ending: TNG’s first real attempt at serialization.
Column Meanie
2024-06-17 14:15:03 +0000 UTCThe guy playing Duras made you believe he was evil. Every time he came on screen I wanted to punch him. What he did to Worf and his family is horrible.
Christopher Dorn
2024-06-17 14:13:55 +0000 UTCOne of my favorites. Finally get to see the Klingon Homeworld (still doesn't really have a name yet!) So much I want to say, but can't due to spoilers. I hope you guys rewatch this one after finishing Deep Space Nine.
Alexander McKechnie
2024-06-17 14:01:39 +0000 UTCWhen I was a kid I found the ending abrupt and weird, but now that I'm older, I love this episode. The long lost brother is straight up soap opera but it works. Picard kicking Klingon ass, Tony Todd, it's all good...
Brendon Waldron
2024-06-17 14:00:15 +0000 UTCYou guys are gonna get to the end of the episode and be thrown that in this usually episodic series, not everything was neatly wrapped up in a bow in this, the absolute biggest Klingon lore (the LOoooRE) dump of an episode since Star Trek III.
Nolan
2024-06-17 13:54:13 +0000 UTCSo, after the last three episodes (Yesterday's Enterprise, The Offspring, Sins of the Father), do you see why people say Season 3, especially the second half of season 3, is when the series just gets incredible?
Turtleboy
2024-06-17 13:47:06 +0000 UTCThis is also a great episode for Picard, facing the Klingons with authority and supporting Worf in a fatherly way.
Paul Rymer
2024-06-17 13:40:52 +0000 UTCAnother incredible episode for Worf and the series as a whole. Finally we get to see the Klingons as a complex society
Paul Rymer
2024-06-17 13:38:47 +0000 UTC"I will try some of your burned, replicated bird meat" lives rent-free in my brain. Klingons have the best episodes and the best one-liners. If you're curious, the words of acceptance spoken by the Cha'dich are "I accept with honor. May your enemies tremble before you."
Justin B
2024-06-17 13:35:30 +0000 UTCI can hear him instructing me in the proper battlefield use of pheropods to command my antlions. I met Tony Todd at Dragon*Con about 20 years ago. He was a delightful man.
Angelaina Marie
2024-06-17 13:31:10 +0000 UTCI remember hoping it was the same character, given their long life. Imagine, a washed-up drunk has the adventure with Kirk's crew in STV and it reawakens his spirit. He then spends the next 80 years climbing the ladder again to finally become Chancellor of the entire Empire. I'm going to pretend that is what happened in my headcanon.... ; ) lol
StonyD
2024-06-17 13:21:08 +0000 UTCKlingon court >> federation court
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-17 13:19:56 +0000 UTCHere’s a Worf episode you can sink your teeth into. Note: K’mpec is played by the same actor that played Koord in Star Trek V.
tyranusfan
2024-06-17 13:17:49 +0000 UTCThis is going to be a season favorite.
Timothy Keck
2024-06-17 13:16:29 +0000 UTCWhich was better, Picard stabbing the Klingon, or punching the terrorist in High Ground?
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-17 13:15:59 +0000 UTCYou mean he was speaking Klingon? I thought that was indigestion.
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-17 13:13:24 +0000 UTCTony Freaking Todd!!
Matt G Cowart
2024-06-17 13:06:19 +0000 UTCWelcome to the Tony Todd Recognition Society. Otherwise known as the "Hey, I know that voice!" Brigade.
Regan
2024-06-17 13:04:07 +0000 UTCMy personal favorite of the series. Wonderful character development for Worf, Klingon politics and Tony Todd in Star Trek as a Klingon? Not much could have been added to make this any greater than it turned out.
Brooke Hill
2024-06-17 13:00:55 +0000 UTCContinues the standard of 'klingon episode is a good episode, guaranteed' - another great example of Picard going hard for his crew.
Mara
2024-06-17 12:44:42 +0000 UTCChocolate and peanut butter. Bread and butter. burger and fries. Caramel and ice cream. Klingon episode and courtroom episode.
Matthew Riley
2024-06-17 12:29:54 +0000 UTCLoving the theme of Picard defending his crew - risking career and life! Proper world building here and an unmissable episode another classic in a row of classics.
Darren Seal
2024-06-17 12:25:56 +0000 UTCThree bangers in a row! What are you hoping for with the next Klingon centric episode?
THE LORE!!!
2024-06-17 12:22:00 +0000 UTCWorf, Klingons, and Picard knife fight, unskappable episode.
Ausyarr
2024-06-17 12:21:47 +0000 UTCbo'DIj wIjaHtaH! That's klingon for "we're going to court!"
Jeff Cornell
2024-06-17 12:16:48 +0000 UTCThis is a great Worf/Klingon episode that finally answers the questions you guys have occasionally been asking about Worf's backstory. You should love it. What's the most interesting Klingon fact you know after this episode?
John
2024-06-17 12:10:15 +0000 UTCThe bangers just keep coming! A fantastic episode that gives a ton of backstory not only on the Klingon homeworld but Worf's family history. How bout Tony Todd! I don't think there's anyone out there who doesn't have this in their top 5-7 episodes of season 3. Hard to believe, but the best episode of the season is still to come 👀
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-06-17 12:05:47 +0000 UTCHow do they fit so much in a single episode??
Paul Hess
2024-06-17 12:03:17 +0000 UTCNow THIS is a Klingon episode. I really love seeing the deep dive into their customs and politics, something that up until now has been pretty vague. We take for granted all the worldbuilding done by episodes like this.
Evan Guthrie
2024-06-17 12:00:25 +0000 UTC
