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What Makes A Human? Exploring 'The Measure of a Man'

TUESDAY'S YOUTUBE VIDEO - Discussion for Star Trek TNG S2E9 - The Measure of a Man

What Makes A Human? Exploring 'The Measure of a Man'

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Here's the thing about consciousness. If it cannot be proactive, its just not. All of the "AI" we have right now shouldn't even be called AI. It's machine learning. There is no intelligence behind it. It's all automatic stuff, and it all required direct input from a human.

Steven Johnson

Under the hood, LLMs are basically just fancy auto-completes trained on associations between words that have been scoured from various sources with some randomness baked in. I don't think we as a society are quite to the point of reducing consciousness down to that level. Many folks link it directly with a soul, so you're now effectively arguing that we create souls whenever we spin up an LLM, and I suspect quite a few Rabbis, Priests, Imams, and similar might have a word or two to say about that, and folks will listen. It's definitely interesting how "conscious" some of these models can feel to us, but that may speak more to our functionality. (like how you can look at almost anything and see a face, or how many people talk to their cars when having starter problems, or even how the ancient ELIZA program felt to people until you noticed the patterns)

Chris Nowak

This episode is S-tier Trek, not just TNG. Might even be S-tier for scifi. Every time it came on tv, I was glued. This is one of those bits of media that's been rattling around in my head since I was a little guy. What even am I? Forget AI, what is the I? What makes me intelligent? Is intelligence/sentience the basis for treating anything in the world with respect? Why do I get rights and a toaster doesn't? Who gives rights, anyway? This episode is why I've always said "please" and "thank you" to Siri. And that's not even counting the other bits, like how nobody really knew just how much Tasha meant to Data before this. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to assume things in others. Or how sometimes being a friend means doing something that you really hate for yourself. Or how if we don't watch out, something as vile as slavery could come back, even in such an "enlightened" society.

misqellaneous

With the release of Claude 3 Opus, and all other "advanced" LLMs we need to address this ASAP. We are already creating artificial life with conciousness, even if it's a little bit as Picard said, they deserve freedom.

Justin Craig

One thing that I expected when the Judge told Riker that she'd rule against Data if she thought he was sandbagging, was that he'd find a way to throw Picard a softball, that didn't look like one to anyone else. But he didn't. I feel he made the best possible argument to prove the point he was told to prove.

Josh Turner

That Riker line "Pinocchio is broken, his strings have been cut". So epic. It's like a battle rap haymaker.

Josh Turner

One of Picard's first speeches, all of his speeches are words to live by and you have many more to enjoy!

Jasonn Pellegrini

If AI can be used against us, it will because there is always someone who will take advantage for personal gain no matter the laws and common agreement on best practice and even morals.

James Baloun

Good point. Data does not have "emotion". Spock suppressed his 'emotions'. So when they do show emotion, it knocks you down. That is why Spock only has to lift an eyebrow to have a big impact.

James Baloun

3:14. The power of this episode, in part, is that the rights of an android might be a real issue sooner than we expect. 100 years is not much time on historic time scales.

James Baloun


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