FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S2E13 - Time Squared
Added 2024-02-29 17:40:14 +0000 UTC
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Now that we have artificial meat/beyond meat…makes you wonder if the replicator recipe makes “actual organic meat” or “actual beyond meat/fake meat”
Derek Orr
2024-03-08 03:47:59 +0000 UTCI too love that scene in the days of future past trailer! I don’t think they used it to quite great effect in the actual movie. I think he’s talking to Wolverine when he says I don’t want your pain.
Philbot
2024-03-04 07:55:28 +0000 UTCWere their ever reaction videos for Fifth Element or Last Starfighter on YouTube?
Philbot
2024-03-04 07:40:59 +0000 UTCThe only actual guys named Bruce Wayne would be Canadian..
Philbot
2024-03-04 07:29:01 +0000 UTCBut the first Picard didn’t have the benefit of seeing where his future self had failed. He believed that the best course of action was to leave the Enterprise and the entity would pursue him and not the ship.
Philbot
2024-03-04 00:19:11 +0000 UTCGun Jesus? :D I think you meant Ian McKellen
Andreas Schmitt
2024-03-03 18:53:24 +0000 UTCIt may be that not everybody is interested in the discussion. But only half doesn't ring true to me. And by browsing trough the comments under the reaction videos it is clear not all viewers know about the discussion videos. Trust me, I used to be in advertising. :-)
Sam Langanke
2024-03-02 08:42:15 +0000 UTCIS4L’s!!!!!!
Shatner's Cigarette
2024-03-01 23:03:27 +0000 UTCIf it’s not on screen, it’s not canon 😉
Smear Campaign
2024-03-01 18:13:29 +0000 UTCThe script clarifies that Picard made the log entry before travelling back in time. The lines in question were omitted from the finished episode.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-01 14:59:26 +0000 UTCWe mention it at the end of the reaction video, but maybe mentioning it right up top would be a good idea as well. We built our audience on our reactions so the discussions not getting as many views is understandable since we’ve only been doing them a few months and not everyone who watches our reactions will be interested in a longer discussion. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised how well they’ve done since the split. Hoping they grow over time same way the reactions have.
Josh (Target Audience)
2024-03-01 13:01:19 +0000 UTCI noticed that your discussion videos get roughly only half of views than the reaction videos on YouTube. You should make clearer for Newbies that always two videos per episode get online.
Sam Langanke
2024-03-01 12:07:23 +0000 UTCI think now, that the living anomaly put the shuttle in the past in the way of the enterprise, so that they have the chance to prevent the destruction of the enterprise, because the lifeform don't want the destruction.
Redjac
2024-03-01 07:23:43 +0000 UTCAh, but then would the time loop simply continue if Picard used a different shuttle or an escape pod instead? Would the loop still hold if Picard attempted to leave the ship ahead of schedule? Is the only real way to break the loop by heading for the center of the vortex at just the right moment?
Patrick47
2024-03-01 03:22:05 +0000 UTCIan McCallum. Did a great movie in 1998 based on Stephen king novel called “apt Pupil”
Thicketdweller
2024-03-01 02:47:07 +0000 UTCThis was supposed to be a “Q” episode but “Q” was removed from the script early on so the vortex really is Representitives of “Q”
Thicketdweller
2024-03-01 02:42:45 +0000 UTCAccording to a quote in the Srar Trek Companion by Larry Nemecek, the cause of this time vortex was going to be Q as a calling card.
Geoffrey Linehan
2024-03-01 00:56:24 +0000 UTCSince it's energy-matter conversion... no... literally out of energy.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-02-29 23:12:35 +0000 UTCThanks for burying my time travel take, guys. 🤣
JGoss
2024-02-29 23:10:39 +0000 UTCMaybe the real Picard was the friends we made along the way.
JGoss
2024-02-29 23:09:09 +0000 UTC*adjusts nerd glasses* out of matter, WITH energy ;)
JD Nevesytrof
2024-02-29 22:52:51 +0000 UTCIn terms of not eating meat... well.. they do eat meat. But it's made by the replicator. A steak made that way is still steak, it's indistinguishable from real meat because it is real meat. But they don't kill an animal to make the steak.. they just... create the steak out of energy.
Andreas Schmitt
2024-02-29 22:27:06 +0000 UTCI do quite like the episode, I just don’t like lazy continuity and bad script editing
Smear Campaign
2024-02-29 22:16:37 +0000 UTC25:24 "I love going deep in the cracks...FINDING cracks if there are any" --Alex Fireball Target Audience, February 2024 ........that's what she said.
StonyD
2024-02-29 22:09:56 +0000 UTCThe drunkest I ever got was on Fireball Whisky when I was 22. I got blackout drunk and punched in the face by a guy with a face tattoo who was literally named Bruce Wayne at a Canada Day party.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-02-29 21:54:41 +0000 UTCThis week on STAR TREK: The Next Generation Season Two!!
StonyD
2024-02-29 21:46:09 +0000 UTCI guess eggs might be seen as more okay because they are un fertilized. Having said that...don't get hung up on anything about eating or not eating meat being 100% gospel in the Trek vers. I'll just leave it at that.
Greg Quinn
2024-02-29 21:30:41 +0000 UTCPicard 2 bring "shallow" could be explained...I guess...by his being temporally locked into a pattern.
Greg Quinn
2024-02-29 21:27:33 +0000 UTCI enjoy time travel stories, but they don't make logical sense, it's true. Because of one major thing: why do the time travelers remember the old timeline if their history has changed along with it? Somehow the traveling would have to shield them from the changes.
Joe Concepts
2024-02-29 21:13:19 +0000 UTCThe plot holes are distracting to me. Why not beam the other Picard to sickbay? They sent Pulaski and other staff to move fake Picard to sickbay, which could injure an unconscious casualty. Why not beam him? Yet when Picard shot the fake Picard, she comes on her own. Phasers are stored set to stun, not kill. Why would he summon Pulaski after shooting him if he knew he was dead and why wouldn't he stay if he thought he might be alive? He didn't even tell her it was a medical emergency. Picard tells Deanna to stay in sickbay as fake Picard will be able to communicate with her before anyone else, but she walks off after speaking to Pulaski. When Picard rushes off to sickbay to release fake Picard, there's a delay and then Troi decides to follow him but when he reaches sickbay, Troi's already there. If the fake Picard was messed up after being thrown back in time, how did he record a perfectly lucid log entry? How can Picard see that a shuttle was damaged by antimatter when it looks like any other dirty mark, and why didn't they consider it was a torpedo or weapon and why not scan it to try to identify whose weapons exploded near it? That would be more likely than the entire ship blowing up - by their own admission, it's abnormal from him to leave in an emergency. Why did O'Brian go to the shuttle bay at the end? Why did he just stand there staring at it and the corpse for several minutes. Shouldn't Pulaski have arranged for it to be taken to sickbay for an autopsy or were they waiting until he smelled? Really untidy writing.
Smear Campaign
2024-02-29 21:03:40 +0000 UTC30:10 This is why we shouldn't get bent out of shape if you guys don't like an episode we generally like or you guys love an episode us generally don't.
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:43:53 +0000 UTC28:35 I LIKE water with lemon in it! Yum!!
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:41:55 +0000 UTCHe knows who signs his paycheck! LOL
tyranusfan
2024-02-29 20:33:22 +0000 UTCHave to disagree. There were vegans in the 80s, as I knew a family of them (my school friend). Granted, there were WAY less options then than now.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-02-29 20:32:32 +0000 UTCCan confim: cracks are fun!!
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:32:18 +0000 UTC13:33 Riker agreed with the captain on both views! "We should stay in investigate!" "Yes, sir, we should!" "Oh, wait—maybe that's the mistake? Let's get out of here!" "Yes, sir, you're right!" (LOL!)
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:23:58 +0000 UTC12:01 Yeah, it's not that they don't eat meat... it's they replicate it, without slaughtering animals for it.
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:16:10 +0000 UTC9:35 It's like the "future" Picard is *programmed* to want to leave. But, that is part of the paradox!
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:13:36 +0000 UTCEasy solution to the time loop problem: throw a coin to decide what to do. Unless random events play out the same in a time loop, then do the opposite. Unless this is exactly how your predecessor thought... Aaaaargh!!!
snthd
2024-02-29 20:11:58 +0000 UTC4:45 This is the first run-through. There was no "repeat" since Picard shot himself. Where the other Picard came from is the paradox—that future never came to exist. When there IS a repeat, you'll know it.
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:09:07 +0000 UTCThe Picard that wanted to leave the ship, and that got shot, is the one that came from the future. "Our" Picard never went anywhere.
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:06:37 +0000 UTC@Matt Newmark ONE BRIDGE! A ship has ONE BRIDGE!!!!
Jovet
2024-02-29 20:06:00 +0000 UTCI do appreciate how your opinions vary from episode episode and are independent, of what the audience may or may not think. At the end of the day the worst episode of Star Trek is still a good piece of television, especially when comparing it to a lot of the modern shows.
Just another Red Shirt
2024-02-29 19:31:25 +0000 UTCI think I agree with Alex, what we're watching is the first time loop of these events. This isn't something that's happened many times. Remember, Worf mentioned a "mobius" (yes that's what Owen Wilson's character in Loki is named after) which is the twist that creates a time loop that cannot be escaped. So what we have in this episode is Picard not allowing the mobius to happen. A mobius would have been created if the future Picard got on the shuttle for a second time, but killing him first prevented the loop from starting
James Bottas
2024-02-29 19:30:55 +0000 UTCI mean they definitely eat meat. Riker had like 8 different animal species on his table in Matter of Honor. Like you guys said, it's farming and slaughtering animals they got rid of, not meat.
James Bottas
2024-02-29 19:26:35 +0000 UTCLoved the opening bit with the shirt
Doug
2024-02-29 19:24:50 +0000 UTCI just thought while watching the episode, why not tractor shuttle number 5 back into space and have Worf blow it up. And the second shuttle number 5 for good measure. Or would that create an alternate universe?
OmniRaider
2024-02-29 19:02:13 +0000 UTCI think it's okay
JD Nevesytrof
2024-02-29 19:00:47 +0000 UTCOne thing I've learned through this journey, either from the comments here or the Discord channel, is someone's least favourite episode, can be another person's top episodes of the season. It's the beauty of Trek!
Ca$hWednesday
2024-02-29 18:57:20 +0000 UTCBoth of them of course. Worf would go berserk - "Two Shuttles?!?! TWO PICARDS!!!!" - and tear down the place.
Matt Newmark
2024-02-29 18:56:15 +0000 UTCI don't consider the subtitles as being the definitive on this. My fav part of this episode was always which Picard killed who. They seem to out out of the way in the episode to cut enough to make you wonder.
Ca$hWednesday
2024-02-29 18:54:45 +0000 UTCThat's weird, suddenly I feel like going out and buying a bottle of Star Trek.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-02-29 18:50:32 +0000 UTCVegetarian was a thing from the 60s on, although it existed much earlier. Vegans indeed didn't come around until the 90s
JD Nevesytrof
2024-02-29 18:49:11 +0000 UTCThis is so, the replicators make it so you can eat any kind of diet you wish, it's all transformed via transporter technology from a general tank of deuterium (enriched hydrogen), which is also used as fuel for the warp core when combined with antimatter, with dilithium crystals to tune the reaction. So your steak is basically just the ship's gas tank.
JD Nevesytrof
2024-02-29 18:43:25 +0000 UTCTo clarify on the meat thing. I don't think we kill animals to eat anymore, the meat is replicated. Since the food replicators are essentially creating real physical matter, they are in fact eating "real" meat, but not meat that was once a living being. Basically we're living in the guilt-fee vegan utopia lol
Ca$hWednesday
2024-02-29 18:39:48 +0000 UTCI don't recall vegan becoming a thing until the late 1990s (at least I was not even aware of it until then).
Collin Freeman
2024-02-29 18:31:17 +0000 UTCI did enjoy the crew moments in this from an acting and writing perspective. This felts more like the TNG to follow through the remaining seasons. Everyone seemed comfortable with their characters now. The writing will catch up quickly from here on out.
Stephen Wright
2024-02-29 18:22:28 +0000 UTCand I think I know exactly what you are speaking about but I will say no more. Bookmark it!
Stephen Wright
2024-02-29 18:20:58 +0000 UTCSo which was the real Picard?
Collin Freeman
2024-02-29 17:47:50 +0000 UTCAt the time of broadcast this episode seemed to show that the writers could come up with interesting concepts, but didn't know how to really flesh them out. However, they did in fact know what to do with this script, but Roddenberry apparently over-ruled them. More about this in the future, since it still would be a spoiler for the moment.
Numinous2019
2024-02-29 17:47:46 +0000 UTC
