FULL DISCUSSION - Star Trek TNG S1E22 - Symbiosis
Added 2023-12-15 01:00:04 +0000 UTC
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actually DS9 had stardates in the majority of it's episodes. For some reason though, around 1998-2000, it seems the production crews on both shows just stopped giving a shit about stardates and few appear on either show. They picked up again in the last season of voyager
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-29 03:37:20 +0000 UTCAlex just wasn't a big fan of the character to be fair they were right that in Wrath of Khan he doesn't really serve much of a purpose. They liked him better in search for Spock. I think they commented on it here because Alex reaction to David in the movies is a bit of a meme. Alex felt very bad about that actually when he heard how young the actor had died.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-12-27 03:10:50 +0000 UTCIndeed, the prime directive has to be interpreted. And Picard usually did a good job at that. To be fair even Kirk did his best usually. Greetings from another German
Andreas Schmitt
2023-12-27 03:07:41 +0000 UTCThe "force lightning" powers the aliens had are a little bit reminiscent of what Bele and Lokai did to each other in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield." Except nobody ever speculated about how they got those powers.
James H
2023-12-26 01:24:58 +0000 UTCWatching stuff from the 80s, you'll run into AIDS a lot. Either in plot lines or in how it affected actors and other people. HIV/AIDS was a new thing and back then it was absolutely deadly. There was basically no real treatment yet.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-12-18 14:30:24 +0000 UTCPersonally, I hate that scene. It goes too far in the direction of people cannot help but become drug addicts. All stories are different but often people make bad choices and that is why they are hooked even when one is speaking about pharmaceuticals. That does not mean there is no compassion or none of what Tasha said was true. It is more complicated in real life. In the ST world things are much more black and white. It was easy to see the race of drug dealers were evil and the other side were mostly victims. It is not so clear in real life. Much of ST ethics and morality I find somewhat sketchy. But it is great they bring these issues up.
Carl Peterson
2023-12-18 01:38:32 +0000 UTCI think it's also a reasonable point that they just didn't know how important a few broken freighters were to the entire society of two planets. Which would be very unusual.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-17 17:31:50 +0000 UTCRight
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-12-17 17:31:01 +0000 UTCRight? David is kind of a whiny character, but he didn't bother me that much. He wasn't a big enough character to annoy me that much.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-17 17:27:38 +0000 UTCIt isn't clear it is post-warp. Only interplenetary travel is mentioned.
Sam Langanke
2023-12-16 19:50:35 +0000 UTCIf the whole "symbiosis" is based on the exchange of the drug and goods interplenetary transport would be at the core of "serving the needs". It doesn't make sense. Also if all people of Onara are junkies how can they be a able to run the economy for TWO societies?
Sam Langanke
2023-12-16 19:37:51 +0000 UTCCommenting drug addiction so openly in a fictional TV show was a big thing back in 88. Maybe it wasn't new but surely it was new to me and my friends. I remember being quite shocked about it.
Sam Langanke
2023-12-16 19:29:51 +0000 UTCIMO he was absolutely wrong. If Enterprise had never rescued the people on the ship the people on planet would've gone through withdrawal and been freed of their reliance. They screwed things up in the first five minutes in the process of doing what was absolutely the right thing. "It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose." Telling them or even just destroying the drugs somehow would've put things back to the way they would've been had Enterprise never intervened.
Strife
2023-12-16 15:54:56 +0000 UTCI always thought that Enterprise came to their rescue because they were obviously a spacefaring society which is generally Starfleet's line in the sand for contacting people at all. Responding to a distress call from another ship is just something they do. They had no way of knowing who or what was on board, their level of technological sophistication or the potential ramifications of saving them. They only had a few minutes. If they would have let the crew and drugs burn up in the atmosphere then the relationship between the planets would've been altered on the spot. Because of that unintended consequence, I always thought Beverly was right in this episode. They should have at least told them. It would've set things back to the way they would have been if Enterprise had never been in that solar system in the first place.
Strife
2023-12-16 15:38:16 +0000 UTCImo that Picard denied the Onarans the parts for their freighters was an extremely strong scene in the episode. As Picard said, the Prime Directive is a philosophy and it has to be flexible in a way and be applied differently and with reason in every new situation. At first he offered to help them repair their freighters because that's just helping them out, but as he learned about the whole situation the two peoples were involved in, he denied the Onarans the parts at the end because it was the only way to tell them indirectly: "You can learn things for yourselves. You are NOT dependant for everything on others. If you can learn how to repair your own freighters, you can learn many other things, too." So in strengthening their will to research, to learn and to build he hoped to also strengthen their ability to learn to develop medicine that maybe will alleviate the withdrawal sympthoms and probably discover that they will not die. That way it can develop naturally instead of just giving them everything they needed right there. Of course the part that sucked is 1) that they will go through severe pains and there will be suffering from the withdrawal and 2) they can't be sure the Onarans WILL develop that way, but it was a nudge in the right direction. It's a matter of 'Don't give them water but help them learn how to find it themselves'. It was a tough decision and I think they made that very clear by having Beverly be the one who speaks for all the people watching and wanting to help these people as well. But ultimately Picard made the right choice despite the pressure he got from all around him. Also, it might have been difficult to deal with any repercussions the Breccians might bring up had the Federation interfered like that. After all, their entire society was built on producing the drug, had Picard taken that away from them it would have been a huge intereference in these people lives, but now they too will have time to change the focus of their society to learn again to support themselves with doing other things. :) Love and greetings from Germany! :)
DataDroid
2023-12-16 09:07:44 +0000 UTCWes has never dealt with this because in Star treks time they have no need for drugs
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-12-16 03:39:43 +0000 UTCTheir stoned man shot I can’t run my pc after 4:20
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-12-16 03:37:46 +0000 UTCPlus Picard knew this was the way to break the breccians hold on them
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-12-16 03:35:08 +0000 UTCWhat’s with all the David hate
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-12-16 03:33:10 +0000 UTCBack in the 1980s almost every popular show had either a scene or an entire episode like the Wesley-Tasha chat about drugs. Nancy Reagan’s “Just Say No” campaign was even paying networks and producers to include such messages.
Aramis Calcutt
2023-12-16 01:57:37 +0000 UTCCongratulations on overcoming your troubles, it's always good to hear of people making it through.
Nolan
2023-12-16 01:31:45 +0000 UTCYa people talk like the Prime Directive is actually something that is consistently defined from episode to episode...its just not
Derek Orr
2023-12-15 20:49:21 +0000 UTChonestly the premise dose not really hold up to any kind of logic. An advanced space faring species that does nothing other than make one drug....like who builds their houses and other industry....it can't be the drug user people. Even with a common currency it just makes no sense
Derek Orr
2023-12-15 20:48:17 +0000 UTCYes, I read that, too. Sad but undoubtedly true. I think Merritt Buttrick died less than a year after filming this episode. The early years of AIDS was an eventual death sentence. HAART therapy starting in the late 1990's finally started making some meaningful progress.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 20:46:12 +0000 UTCI mean it makes sense today right now with the opioid crisis
Derek Orr
2023-12-15 20:43:23 +0000 UTCI recall reading somewhere it was basically a favour for Meritt to give him some income, he did not have healthcare coverage and he had AIDS and passed away from it a few years after this was filmed
Derek Orr
2023-12-15 20:42:29 +0000 UTCIt was a bit almost breaking the 4th wall talking right to the audience for sure...but the message was 100% accurate and certainly just as relevant today given the extent of the opioid crisis
Derek Orr
2023-12-15 20:40:14 +0000 UTCWell, war between THEMSELVES at least.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-12-15 19:55:07 +0000 UTCI can imagine the Onaran government rationing the final shipment to stretch it longer for the administrators/police/doctors while the poor common folk descend fully into withdrawals...but once they realize no one is dying, the two Brekkians left on the planet are in some deep, deep doo-doo.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-12-15 19:50:01 +0000 UTCYes. I actually respected how Picard handled the situation in this episode within the confines of the Prime Directive.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 19:35:46 +0000 UTCI've heard the same. I'm on the fence on that one. On the other hand, if a drug company did come up with a cure for a cancer, don't you think they'd have a monopoly and be able to charge just about anything to sell it?
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 19:34:46 +0000 UTCNot to mention Apollo.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-12-15 18:59:31 +0000 UTCAnd they had Tasha say it because we've established she is from a place that is not a utopia like Earth. I feel like they maybe should've added a line about how she's seen it before because of that. Maybe implying it is enough.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 18:40:19 +0000 UTCBut I believe at the end he only didn't give them the ship parts because he used the Prime Directive as a kind of loophole so he could effectively end the whole situation on those planets, eventually.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 18:38:36 +0000 UTCThat more specific idea may be somewhat new, but I have heard for decades conspiracy theories like no one has cured cancer because it's too profitable for the medical industry and drug companies.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 18:34:35 +0000 UTCThanks for reading my post, guys! BTW, watching Star Trek in stardate order would entail interspersing some TAS episodes among TOS. The stardates depend partly on location in the galaxy and can't be used to determine the precise order in which episodes take place. (Of course, the general fan assumption is that TAS takes place entirely after TOS -- the Enterprise bridge has been refitted to add a second exit, Chekov has left the ship for tactical training, Arex has replaced Chekov on the alpha shift of the bridge crew, and Starfleet has introduced the life support belts.)
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-12-15 18:33:13 +0000 UTCI think the TNG and later stardates are pretty much in order of episode airing. It was TOS that the stardates jumped around a lot, and production vs. airing order already confuses things. Also I think the show with the least stardates must be DS9 as they're in one location, and it's rare to have a captain's log entry.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 18:29:43 +0000 UTCAnd just think of how they'll react to "The Final Frontier" itself!
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-12-15 18:25:23 +0000 UTCIt's easy to argue maybe Picard was morally wrong here, but the simple act of telling them the truth would have completely overturned the society of two planets. And then the Federation would be responsible for what happened. Interesting though you can argue he realized that helping them repair those ships wouldn't be right either with an extremely strict interpretation. And that sounds like I'm talking about the Constitution or something.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 18:01:36 +0000 UTCas I commented on the reaction post I really like the ending and think Picard's reaction to the way things wrapped up is understandable and shows that even though he is strictly regulated he still feels empathy
James Bottas
2023-12-15 17:35:13 +0000 UTCI think he mellows more in the last few episodes of season 1, but for most of the season I found Picard to be unlikable. Maybe I was projecting too much Kirk onto how I thought a starship captain should be with his crew (and the audience). Thankfully, he does loosen up pretty well in season 2.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 16:49:20 +0000 UTCI never really minded late first season Picard's demeanor either, but then again I'm also a huge fan of Sisko.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-12-15 16:28:13 +0000 UTCThat's not true..... Sometimes, they get ear appliances too!
Ca$hWednesday
2023-12-15 16:24:37 +0000 UTCThis Public Service Announcement was brought to you by... "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"
Billy T. Riker
2023-12-15 16:14:33 +0000 UTCGentlemen, welcome to the TNG/DS9/VOY era of "bumpy forehead" aliens! As time goes on we do of course get some cool, very alien designs in the mix over the seasons, but nose/forehead makeup on humans is common. I'm sure it's budgetary more than anything else.
Joe Concepts
2023-12-15 15:23:12 +0000 UTCI really appreciate your post. I had a drug problem in my 20’s (Im 48 now). I became born again, but that was such a learning experience for me. And you’re right. They were either high in the beginning, or, more likely, just starting to withdraw, and were so distracted and had no real experience in ships or technology BECAUSE of their sole focus on the drugs. My favorite scene is when they Take their 1st hit in sickbay, and the slow zoom on Beverly, as she observes and realizes whats happening. Picard with the checkmate. He’s the man. But yeah, your post hit my heart, because Ive been there.
Chris S.
2023-12-15 15:04:19 +0000 UTCI don't think it was up to that edge. The dialogue wasn't hyperbole, it was just facts.
Jovet
2023-12-15 14:58:07 +0000 UTCI thought that the only thing Wesley learned is that he doesn't understand drug addiction.
Jovet
2023-12-15 14:55:41 +0000 UTC*staple of all Star Trek series after TNG...
Jovet
2023-12-15 14:54:36 +0000 UTCThe Prime Directive is an “Umbrella” policy in that Picard saved them in the freighter, but that act alone did not impact the total civilization. But giving them coil technology would solve their issue for them, and directly effects the entire civilization. If Picard took away the drug, that WOULD implicate the Federation in changing the course of their future. Their “natural” end would be that eventually the freighters would no longer work, and they would have to work that out anyway, even if the Enterprise was never there. If Beverly blew the whistle, (she wanted to so bad) she would be violating the PD, and Picard, being responsible for everything on his ship, would suffer the consequences.
Chris S.
2023-12-15 14:40:07 +0000 UTCA human\alien species did come down, but that is another (brilliant) series! ;)
Stephen Wright
2023-12-15 14:39:59 +0000 UTCIt really was not in violation of the Prime Directive to help them with the parts and make repairs. They are a post-warp society. They have evolved naturally as a species to warrant being helped in that manor. If they were a pre-warp society it would violate the directive if they actually helped them advance in any way technologically. Regardless in any case it would always be in violation of the Prime Directive to interfere in the social/political order of their society on the planet because they are not members of the Federation.
Toysruskiddd
2023-12-15 14:34:49 +0000 UTCPicard's solution: He made a humanitarian gesture of saving the lives of strangers (a species who was already in space so they weren't interfering with their natural progression) but then found their culture to be distasteful to his Federation/human sensibilities. With his hands tied on that end by the Prime Directive, at the last minute makes his only move: EMBRACE the Prime Directive. Essentially, the Enterprise, while morally-driven to save the lives of others, was not ethically-driven to do so under the Prime Directive. Whether the crew lived or not, the ship was going to blow in the beginning, and they would be without a means of transport. So Picard evened that playing field again, by refusing the coils. Now the planets are exactly where they would have been at the beginning anyway, save the reprieve of a few people and a final batch of "meds" to hopefully stave off immediate death and give them time to prepare for not having any more. It makes sense to me.
StonyD
2023-12-15 14:16:29 +0000 UTCIn this episode: Khan's son, Joachim, plays the long game in his revenge against Kirk's lineage...
StonyD
2023-12-15 13:59:59 +0000 UTCIn regards to the Prime Directive, in most situations it probably wouldn't have prevented them from helping, Picard just interpreted the Law in a way that he couldn't, to screw over the Brekians. You know the whole Trope of the snake lawyer twisting legal definitions to suit his purpose
Justin DiBari
2023-12-15 13:52:45 +0000 UTCAnd mentioned in The Paradise Syndrome episode of TOS, if memory serves.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 12:33:55 +0000 UTCYes. The whole pharmaceutical companies as evil entities trying to get people hooked their medicine is more a recent thing, at least to public knowledge.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 12:31:58 +0000 UTCI agreed with Josh that the scene between Wesley and Tasha really pushed it up to the edge of being preachy
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 12:28:54 +0000 UTCMost certainly
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 12:24:12 +0000 UTCWesley learns a valuable lesson on A Very Special Star Trek. This had an interesting problem and they never stopped to consider if they break the drug habit, the right thing to do, what happens to the world that has no function other than making the drug? There is no other industry, so its not like they have options themselves. Without the addicts as customers there options now are to either export the drug to every planet they can, or just die.
Ken R
2023-12-15 09:30:40 +0000 UTCOne of the reasons why City On The Edge Of Forever was radically changed from Harlan Ellison's version was because Ellison used a drug addicted crew member to kick the events into motion.
Mike Rogers
2023-12-15 07:42:35 +0000 UTCHa! The humanoid aliens with a nose appliance is really a staple of Next Gen. get used to it.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-12-15 07:02:19 +0000 UTCGuys, it’s pretty obscure now but if you can ever catch an early 80s show called “Square Pegs” on streaming it’s worth it. Merrit Butrick played a zoned out “valley guy” high schooler alongside a geeky, glasses wearing permed teen Sarah Jessica Parker. He was actually pretty awesome in it.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-12-15 07:00:25 +0000 UTCYou’re so right about the 80s drug messaging. Typical 80s would have had Wesley going to the holodeck to research why “drugs are bad” and a holographic Nancy Reagan tells him to “just say no!” Ha..so yeah, this was pretty light in comparison.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-12-15 06:55:52 +0000 UTCDon't forget, Wesley is also theson of a Doctor, he's probably had healthy living rammed down his throat his whole life. And as Dr. Crusher indicates, she can make non-addictive substances to counter-act the drugs effects. The implication are that drugs really are a thing of the past. Personally, I never heard judgement in Wesley's questions, he wasjust curious and wanted to understand. Some fans have taken Tasha's explanation about drugs to have an air of experience to it as well. We DO know she has a dark as heck past. Regarding the opening scenes: I'm not sure either of you have had any experience with heavy, continuous drug users, sadly I have and it getsto the point where cognative abilities just tank and a person does just get so blasie about everything, especially if a person has been hooked through developmental stages of life, which these guys have been. Every man, woman and child has been addicted to drugs since birth, so it's no wonder they go through phases of lethargic apathy, regardless of how naturally intelligent they may be. As for the PD and where it applies, it not about helping or not, but about affecting development. Picard didn't mind giving them the parts when it was just to fix their ships, but when he realized not having the parts would lead to their society changing, forcing the issue naturally via those species' own inabilities, he felt justified in witholding those parts. Giving those parts would have unnaturally furthered the status quo which was about to change anyway. He didn't know that when he first offered.
Nolan
2023-12-15 06:45:03 +0000 UTCThe Prime Directive isn't a ban on helping people, it's a ban on affecting the development of less developed cultures. Picard offers to help repair their ships initially because he assumes that any culture capable of building a fleet of ships would also be capable of repairing them - making it a little easier or faster for them isn't going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things. But once it becomes clear that nobody on either planet is capable of repairing the ships without help from the Enterprise, his hands are tied and he's forced to let things play out naturally.
Blaine Martin
2023-12-15 05:45:21 +0000 UTCNo, Sir! I won't go that far; only stating that THIS is where the writers of TNG, and the show-runners, began to hit a new stride that, like every good TV series ever made, would build throughout the seasons. Capt. Kirk said it best: "Risk is our business! That's what this starship is all about!"
Rhett Coates
2023-12-15 05:43:58 +0000 UTCAbout your dual comments about "what about...." (the disease, then the transporter issue maybe filtering it out of those affected) - and instantly Picard asked the same questions...... This got me thinking: pretty soon, you guys will be able to collaborate in writing your own Star Trek episode. Hey, why not? What would you write about, you may ask..... (LOL - anticipating your question). Do what all good writers do: Write About What You Know About.
Rhett Coates
2023-12-15 05:42:22 +0000 UTCThat's interesting. I never found Picard ever unlikable. He's firm and fair, decisive, and authoritative. He doesn't let his romantic nature get the better of him.
Jovet
2023-12-15 05:28:54 +0000 UTC:In River Song's voice: *spoilers!*
Jovet
2023-12-15 05:26:54 +0000 UTCGood! I'm glad I'm not the only one smirking at that! 😁
Jovet
2023-12-15 05:25:54 +0000 UTCGuys, have you two acquired those S E A T B E L T S which I suggested earlier this week? Now, and starting after Symbiosis, you will find they're needed when watching a LOT of the next episodes .... and throughout many of the rest of TNG. (That's not a joke, fellas, but you can wear them metaphorically, and it will work just as well. I hope.) That last is stated with a knowing smirk, in wonderful anticipation of how you'll react to what's yet to come from The Final Frontier........
Rhett Coates
2023-12-15 05:20:48 +0000 UTCYes; some of us have been thinking of that exact thing, Jovet, every time Josh calls her that. LOL..............
Rhett Coates
2023-12-15 05:18:36 +0000 UTCExactly. You have to remember that humanity at this point has irradicated war, poverty and disease. They are even at the point where currency doesn't exist and people work for the betterment of themselves rather than monetary gain. They are essentially the perfect future utopia. While it does come off as somewhat preachy anti-drug speech, it actually makes sense in the context of the Trek universe.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-12-15 05:09:54 +0000 UTCIt amuses me so much that you call her Doctor Beverly. Eventually you'll find out why this amuses me.
Jovet
2023-12-15 04:24:53 +0000 UTC11:04 Wesley's viewpoint is actually really well written. Consider his life up to this point, and how things are in 24th century human society. Drug addiction is a completely foreign concept to him. Not only has he never dealt with that in his life, but he hasn't known anyone who has.
Jovet
2023-12-15 04:20:40 +0000 UTC8:30 Asking for help (as in a distress signal) from a spacecraft negates the Prime Directive's non-interference policy.
Jovet
2023-12-15 04:16:30 +0000 UTCThere had to be someone at Paramount casting who knew what they were doing when casting Judson Scott and Merritt Buttrick. I thought, sadly, his natural health at the time probably helped with his overall appearance as a drug-addicted alien going through withdrawal. Your comment about Picard at the end reminded me why I didn't like his character during most of the 1st season. I thought he was too stern, to the point of being a dick at times, which is not what I am looking for in the personality of a starship captain. Of course, Stewart and the others get better with their characters as the show progresses, beginning for me with the last couple of season 1 episodes.
Collin Freeman
2023-12-15 04:10:14 +0000 UTCI said during a lot of the TOS reactions that they would sometimes beat us over the head with a message to be sure we "got it". This was borderline with the talk between Tasha and Wesley, but as others have said, this was pretty typical of 80s TV. You said you're in your late 20s now, and that's how old I was when TNG started. Don't know if that really means anything.
KatWithAttitude
2023-12-15 03:32:43 +0000 UTCFor sure
James Bottas
2023-12-15 02:22:01 +0000 UTC… and I also think he considers it a useful excuse to ensure they do go cold turkey and end the addiction
Silk
2023-12-15 02:19:57 +0000 UTCThat makes sense though. They said in the beginning that 200 years ago the planet had just developed interplanetary space travel and then both planets just stopped advancing. Those freighters are probably that old and nobody that knew how to maintain and build them is alive anymore since they no longer develop stuff, they just build stuff to pay for the drugs.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-12-15 02:19:38 +0000 UTC(the following is light hearted ripping) I have to say, I didn't see you guys not getting why the addicts lost the ability to run and fix ships was an issue. ***news flash*** people on drugs lose the ability to take care of themselves... SHOCKER... take that to multiple generations and maybe the grandkids of the first drug addicts and kid of an addict.... perhaps that junkie is not really all that productive. JUST SAY NO...... (except weed then pass it dude)
Prof Moff
2023-12-15 02:04:12 +0000 UTCThis is from the perspective of a child around adolescence in 1988. Drugs were considered something bad. Pharmaceuticals weren’t even lumped into the same group as “drugs”. Lots of shows had a special, dramatic “drugs are dangerous” episode.
Geoffrey Linehan
2023-12-15 02:02:59 +0000 UTCWell, Star Trek did hint at aliens coming to Earth in the past. Remember TAS with Kukulkan?
CM Waters
2023-12-15 01:54:38 +0000 UTCso my take as to why the prime directive seems to not apply earlier but then it does apply later, is simply that at the start the onarans are found piloting a space vessel, poorly but they are in a space vessel nonetheless. one could assume they're advanced enough that the prime directive wouldn't apply. It's only later that Picard learns just how unadvanced they are.. and decides that the prime directive does in fact apply here
James Bottas
2023-12-15 01:53:58 +0000 UTCThe Prime Directive prevented Picard from taking overt steps to end the dependency between the two planets. However, he used the Prime Directive as an excuse to not fix shuttles, which will indirectly cause the dependency to be broken once the shuttles stop working. In other words, giving them coils would not have broken the Prime Directive, but denying them the coils was the only action he could take within the bounds of the Prime Directive that would eventually result in the symbiotic relationship coming to an end.
David Felgate
2023-12-15 01:48:44 +0000 UTCI think the main reason why the Onarans no longer know how to maintain their ships is that their entire industry is now converted to serve the needs of the Brekkians. They no longer have the capability to dedicate people to keeping that knowledge going. At least that's the best I can figure.
Terrafan
2023-12-15 01:36:29 +0000 UTCFIRST!!!!
Lucas Herr
2023-12-15 01:26:44 +0000 UTC
