UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S1E14 - Angel One
Added 2023-11-17 14:28:15 +0000 UTC
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Not sure about the take that they didn't go over the top with the sexism. This episode is cartoonishly sexist. You have to get into like middle eastern kind of repressive societies to see the reverse of that. That planet isn't even close to 1800s America but with the gender roles swapped. On the vote, sure, but the problems on that planet go so far beyond that. Nah, this pile of garbage episode was a perfect example of why Roddenberry needed to be out of the writers room. Also the application of the prime directive made no sense here. I will credit the cast. Frakes and Crosby did the best with the material they had, Geordi taking command and Worf being like "dude, you got bigger fish to fry" were good for their characters. Crusher was holding that whole ship together, and I'd appreciate Picard being down with the sickness if there weren't already so much of Picard being vulnerable this season. He's still human after all. I thought it was downright stupid having Crusher refuse to transport them aboard. They were literally going to be executed. Certain death vs possible death. Just beam them into a cargo bay and have them quarantine there. Bottom 5 episode of the show.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-22 06:31:35 +0000 UTCprime directive is starfleet policy - this ship has nothing to do with starfleet other then they are members of the federation
Castanea
2023-11-26 03:10:28 +0000 UTCthese episodes are _fine_ but i'm looking forward to when you get to the point where the show understood itself. there's a lot of sort of quasi-non-canon stuff here.. I promise you the show get really good
Castanea
2023-11-26 03:06:23 +0000 UTCI should say, not that they'd be disappointed in your reaction as a given, just that, if they like an episode you guys didn't, knowing that ahead of time probably softens the blow.
Nolan
2023-11-23 05:58:21 +0000 UTCFrom your initial discussion before you discussed the episode, my take is that basically this is your channel and you’re going to do what you want, which is fine and as it should be. If people like other formats, they can go elsewhere. There are certainly enough YouTube and Patreon channels to follow. If you can’t enjoy what you’re doing, the audience won’t enjoy it, either. Feelings of enjoyment, boredom, or animosity come through. So do what you want - it’s fine and life’s too short.
Collin Freeman
2023-11-23 02:48:44 +0000 UTC54:00 Data being affected by the "Naked Now" infection was one of the dumbest plot line/armor decisions made in TNG.
Jovet
2023-11-22 08:16:47 +0000 UTC2:56 This planet (many of these) are NOT in the Federation.
Jovet
2023-11-22 07:22:56 +0000 UTCWhat always bugs me about “Virus” episodes is shouldn’t every room on the ship be airtight In case of a hull breach? They should be able to quarantine Ramseys people in the Transporter room?
Philbot
2023-11-21 10:47:21 +0000 UTCThanks for the fun reaction. I've never liked this episode...except for all the chest hair! Lol
Gary Leyh
2023-11-21 05:26:47 +0000 UTCThis was one I'll skip. I saw it once when first aired. Enough for me.
Monty Crawford
2023-11-21 01:24:32 +0000 UTCHey, my comment's mentioned again! I'm pretty sure I even heard Frakes himself said he was pushing for Riker to lighten up, and let more of Frakes' real personality come through.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-20 01:09:38 +0000 UTCYou are right, I neither caught that, nor does it make much sense. Truly we are in the best years of this franchise...
StonyD
2023-11-18 23:01:13 +0000 UTCSoap? But they use sonic showers...
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-18 20:04:20 +0000 UTCThis image of a nearly naked Riker… with “Full Uncut” beneath him…. I’ll just leave it at that
Stuart Arbury
2023-11-18 19:55:21 +0000 UTCThe discussion of perfume reminded me of an interesting passage in the novelization of "Encounter at Farpoint" (by David Gerrold): The book states that Riker has a keen enough sense of smell to identify the exact perfume worn by any woman he encounters. When he meets Tasha Yar for the first time in the Transporter Room after beaming up from Farpoint, he notices that she isn't wearing any perfume -- he only smells soap. The most recent role listed on IMDb for Leonard Crofoot (Trent) is a 2020 music video.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-18 16:43:55 +0000 UTCEveryone gets confused by that because it's so poorly explained. The virus outbreak begins the moment Wes and his friend leave the holodeck... and yet the virus actually came from a field trip to another planet that Wes was on before the start of the episode. It's very confusing.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-18 16:37:14 +0000 UTCI presume that Riker and Beata made love after the fade to Ramsey's campfire.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-18 16:35:42 +0000 UTCLess than mid episode, 3/10. Why didn't Dr Crusher get sick? I guess for the same reason Ryker didn't get drunk. Anyway, the planet: this reminds me of a forgotten Norman Lear show called All That Glitters and by 1987 US society did not reflect this silly premise. Not sure why the commentary on such an outdated premise even 35 yrs ago. While this episode was airing Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister for 8 years. Regarding feeble Picard, he's feeble, just look at him and its a total senior vibe. Kirk > every other captain.
Ken R
2023-11-18 06:06:25 +0000 UTCI share this same sentiment as Andreas. The way the discussions happen after the reaction are welcome. There's a sprinkle of RLM in they way you guys discuss the content and I think it's a format that works well. The discussions are interesting and in depth as well, which I personally love to stick around for. (It also gives us more content to dissect on Discord :D)
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-18 06:05:54 +0000 UTCIT BROKE NEW GROUND!!
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-18 06:02:20 +0000 UTCGoing into this reaction, all I really remembered from this episode was the Riker outfit. While this isn't a great episode by any means, after watching the episode again, I didn't dislike it. The virus B-plot kind of went nowhere, but the stuff with the planet itself had elements of a classic episode of Trek. It's funny you guys mentioned the "Kirk speech". Without getting into spoilers; I think most fans of would consider Picard to be the captain known for his speeches.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-18 05:50:50 +0000 UTC"Mistress something starting with a B".... hmmmm....
Nerd's Gold
2023-11-18 05:27:40 +0000 UTCI have to say I love what you guys are doing! I am new here but wow do you guys put out a lot of show! Some of the other people I sub to I'm happy if I get a few shows every month! Keep up the good work!
Ben Levitin
2023-11-18 04:26:11 +0000 UTCIt didn't. The episode dialogue states Wesley and the other students picked up a virus on a field trip to Quazulu VIII, it only had begun to spread by the time they came out of the holodeck.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-18 02:14:23 +0000 UTCAgreed. I think RedLetterMedia proved that you can be pretty successful with two guys sitting around talking about TNG. Great to see Alex and Josh taking that torch and running with it!
Blaine Martin
2023-11-18 01:03:33 +0000 UTCThe best part of this entire episode was that they never explained how a Holodeck created a mutating variant super-virus....and why.
StonyD
2023-11-18 01:02:02 +0000 UTCThe original idea for the Enterprise-D was a 20 year mission, a considerable increase over the old Enterprise, represented by the new ship's huge size, comfort, and families on board. They never really expressed this on screen, but the idea was that the new ship would stay out on the frontier exploring much longer than previous ships.
tyranusfan
2023-11-18 00:29:30 +0000 UTCI agree. I'm all for the discussion having more time to play out whenever possible
James Bottas
2023-11-17 22:46:48 +0000 UTCIn regards to the discussion segment: Most reaction channels often leave me disappointed with how short their post-reaction discussions are. And the discussions are the reason I prefer channels with two people watching, so they can talk to eachother about it. During TOS I found even your discussions sometimes too short, so I wholeheartedly welcome these longer segments
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-17 22:35:27 +0000 UTCWhen they were developing TNG, David Gerrold, in particular, stressed how in TOS, it was not realistic to put Kirk in the middle of the action, since a captain would usually remain on the ship to call shots to people he sends out on the ground. This is why Picard is sidelined a lot in the first season. That changes as the show goes on.
Mike Rogers
2023-11-17 22:08:22 +0000 UTCThis is contradicted in Season 7, episode 13, the person involved is NOT a member of Starfleet and yet is said to violate the Prime Directive.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 21:17:39 +0000 UTCmakes sense. ok, but just know I'm looking for a channel jingle once you guys get over a million subs ;)
James Bottas
2023-11-17 21:00:07 +0000 UTCChannels the size of RLM can do literally whatever they want
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-17 20:50:52 +0000 UTCReally?? I never would've guessed that considering how common they are. RLM being an inspiration for this channel was what made me think of it, and a lot of channels with big followings do it. I don't doubt you though, you've got the advice directly from yt I assume. just shows how fickle audiences can be I guess
James Bottas
2023-11-17 20:39:35 +0000 UTCTHE score update Tosha - 3 Riker - 2 ADD ONE to the hairy chest brigade. Data - 1 Troi - 1
Prof Moff
2023-11-17 20:34:20 +0000 UTCBranded intros kill retention unfortunately
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-17 20:31:38 +0000 UTCOh, sweet merciful God in Heaven! It's this episode. This is one of those story concepts that appears in most SF TV shows of the 1970's and 1980's. Roddenberry even did a variation of this for one of his 1970's TV pilots.
Numinous2019
2023-11-17 20:28:48 +0000 UTCSpeaking of evolving the channel, I can't help but wonder when the channel is going to receive a 5-6 second musical intro for the logo, after cold open of course..... you know, a short theme song for the channel to nod your head/air drum to every video. dooooo it
James Bottas
2023-11-17 20:13:53 +0000 UTCI like your guys format. I ALWAYS appreciate when reactors don't just react, but discuss and analyse what they watch. As for the intro, I think it's smart to cue up viewers on what to expect going in, rather than have them be disappointed as they watch the reaction.
Nolan
2023-11-17 19:44:18 +0000 UTCRiker did have sex with her, they just couldn’t show more or be more direct. Roddenberry was a swinger, womanizer and all about a more pleasure focused enlightened future. He wrote the novelization of Star Trek The Motion Picture…and it’s pretty wild the stuff he included…
Derek Orr
2023-11-17 18:11:59 +0000 UTCThis is actually contradicted by a season 7 episode (no spoilers) and honestly, logically so. What's to stop any Federation citizen from meddling in a pre-warp society unless there was a law against it. If it's clearly that important, it should apply to any Fed citizen with the means to travel to other worlds.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 18:10:36 +0000 UTC"The Prime Directive, also known as Starfleet Command General Order 1, the Non-Interference Directive, or the principle of non-interference, was the embodiment of one of Starfleet's most important ethical principles: noninterference with other cultures and civilizations. At its core was the philosophical concept that covered personnel should refrain from interfering in the natural, unassisted, development of societies, even if such interference was well-intentioned." From Memory Alpha. Even Kirk calls it General Order 1. It's an order to starfleet and was since its inception. It was never a law governing civilians at any point.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-17 18:08:34 +0000 UTCData is the 2nd officer, right below Riker who is 1st officer. La Forge is a very junior rank, but anyone can be given the con Later on the series will address a bit more about ranks and command training and which officer specialties are in the command line
Derek Orr
2023-11-17 18:02:46 +0000 UTCThis is not at all a spoiler but the Prime Directive only applies to Starfleet because they are the military. Regular citizens of the Federation are not beholden to the Prime Directive.
Toysruskiddd
2023-11-17 18:01:14 +0000 UTCIts not a human thing, its a Federation thing. Its possible its only really enforced by Starfleet but the principle and justification of the directive is the same regardless if the interference comes from Starfleet or the Federation science department or random federation citizens.
Derek Orr
2023-11-17 17:56:54 +0000 UTCIt's super funny all the "decrepit Picard" depictions when I clearly remember Patrick Stewart being a sex symbol in the early 90s, lots of TV Guide covers and things. Of course, that was after the show got going. https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/931520165640056833
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 17:51:03 +0000 UTCWell this kind of makes sense. The Prime Directive was always a general order to Starfleet, it was never a federation law, even in TOS times.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-17 17:49:35 +0000 UTCBasically NOTHING about the Prime Directive in Season 1 makes any sense.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 17:14:32 +0000 UTCWow imagine Shatner & Gene butting heads if Phase 2 went the same way
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-11-17 17:12:05 +0000 UTCThe line about "the Prime Directive and ships" simply meant that the Prime directive is a Starfleet thing, not a human thing. So since these fugitives were human, but not members of Starfleet, nor working in any capacity for Starfleet, they were not bound by the Prime Directive and could remain on the planet if they wanted to. Only Starfleet crews or any civilians directly working for Starfleet, are bound by the prime directive. It's not a "Human Law" but an order that Starfleet has to follow. Civilians can go wherever and do whatever they like.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-17 17:01:28 +0000 UTCDefinitely back to a more TOS-y style plot line, Star Trek never shies away from social issues but it tends to get less...hamfisted? And cringe? Also, #JusticeForTrent
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 17:00:53 +0000 UTCThe freighter was missing for seven years, the Enterprise-D is not on a seven year mission.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-17 16:49:22 +0000 UTCI honestly never noticed how sidelined Picard is i season 1, but you're right. But don't worry. The show figured out what to do with Picard while at the same time not neglecting Riker either. both characters turn out fantastic. This is a symptom of Roddenberry treating this early on like Phase 2 (Makes you wonder if he would have sidelined Kirk in favor of Decker if that had come around). Gene and the early writers were treating this still like TOS 2.0, so they know how to write for a Kirk like captain but still have to figure out Picard. That will change over the second half of this season and definitely from season 2 going forward.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-17 16:44:03 +0000 UTCIt's your channel. You can do things however you see fit. This episode doesn't rank very highly on most lists. For me despite some good moments it's another timefiller episode. There are a couple episodes in Season 1 still to come that I think most of us are looking forward to seeing what you think, but that's as much as I'll say about them. For now.
KatWithAttitude
2023-11-17 16:03:00 +0000 UTCThis is one of my TNG guilty pleasures..not the most memorable episode, but for some reason I will always watch if I’m flipping channels.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-11-17 15:27:20 +0000 UTCI don't drink, but uh *cracks open a cold one* in this case i'll make an exception. It's rubbing alcohol, by the way.
Steven Johnson
2023-11-17 14:58:55 +0000 UTCWhen we got to Haven, I thought that was this episode because I got the titles mixed up, so I was somewhat happy when that wasn't this episode but, well, now we're here. It's not as bad as I remember, but I forgot about that b-plot on the Enterprise. Maybe because it wasn't needed...
Brendon Waldron
2023-11-17 14:54:43 +0000 UTCThe traditional gender role reversal episode. Shades of Spock's Brain ;-)
Bret Kay
2023-11-17 14:29:59 +0000 UTCRiker looking hot
AzoriusMage
2023-11-17 14:28:54 +0000 UTC
