PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG S1E12 - The Big Goodbye
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Sane people wouldn’t invent a VR recreation device that can kill its users. 😁
tyranusfan
2023-11-23 19:05:51 +0000 UTCThe holodeck isn't creating the people but it does materialize and dematerialize patterns as they stated in the pilot like the transporter. If the transporter breaks down patterns of people and the holodeck goes sufficiently "funky"(technical term) is it beyond reason or suspension of disbelief from what we are told in the show? I get the doubt but doesn't seem a HUGE issue.
Jason Aud
2023-11-23 19:03:47 +0000 UTCLol. I’d love that! Who knows?
Chris S.
2023-11-09 01:23:01 +0000 UTCThis Ep. was to me at the time one of my top 2 or 3 so far. I think Alex will like this one alot as it Harkens...heheh....Harkens back to the TOS Ep. A Piece of the Action! At least in the Clothing styles, they are not to different than the 1930s APOTA Ep. I predict you guys will enjoy the acting of Gates Mcfadden & Brent Spiner the most. To me Data and Crusher had the best Parts in this one. Also Mr. Leach is so much like the Peter Lorre Character in the Maltese Falcon from 1941....the only thing missing is the Lorre Speech Pattern. Actually this whole Ep. is very much like that Story! My Prediction is you will both like it enough to place it in the top 2 or 3 so far. That's it! 😀🖖
Duane Chancey
2023-11-08 03:03:09 +0000 UTCSo, all we need to do is estimate how much it would take for both gentlemen to live without fulltime jobs, make that a Patreon level, and then they can put out one episode a day! I think I'm a genius.
StonyD
2023-11-07 22:17:06 +0000 UTCI believe the implication is that there are two entrances, and the one that opens isn't the one where Wesley and the others were working.
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-07 14:15:31 +0000 UTCThe first of the Holodeck has a problem episodes. It's quite fun and there will be good moments for Gates McFadden. Legendary cult movie actor Dick Miller appears at the newsstand. If he looked familiar, you probably saw him in Gremlins and Terminator among many others. I truly enjoyed this episode. Nothing can explain to me why there was no one waiting at the door when the crew got it to open though.
Mike Rogers
2023-11-07 04:01:18 +0000 UTCThe holodeck character portrayed by Jean Luc Picard will return at least by mention in later episodes, all the way up to the TNG films.
Collin Freeman
2023-11-07 03:16:08 +0000 UTCIn "reality," the holodecks never would have passed inspection if they acted dangerously.
tyranusfan
2023-11-07 01:16:28 +0000 UTCThe scene where Beverly crusher clearly doesn’t know what to do with stick of gum and she just swallows it was priceless. That was a good bit. Solid episode, and a precursor for what is to come.
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-11-06 19:42:44 +0000 UTCI like the holodeck episodes, although this isn't the last time a holodeck has a "problem". Holodecks don't always get used for pleasure, but for the most part they are fun episodes.
KatWithAttitude
2023-11-06 17:26:11 +0000 UTCAlex: The holodeck LORE!! Seriously though. You wanted to know more about how the holodeck works and what it can do. Here you have it. Even with an interesting philosophilcal question of "are characters that we create in our fantasy alive?"
Andreas Schmitt
2023-11-06 17:16:40 +0000 UTCI think worse than that danger existing is that they didn't immediately shut down all Federation holodecks after this incident and change how they work. Like, having there be no ability AT ALL to shut off "safeties," or have it be impossible for them to be dangerous in any way.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-06 15:54:31 +0000 UTCIt could be writers even this early were worried about Picard being too serious and pretentious, just quoting Shakespeare, etc. This series does have tendency to act like everyone only likes ancient literature, classical music, etc. As if any culture from the 20th century is beneath them. Later series kind of expand everyone's interests more.
Joe Concepts
2023-11-06 15:50:38 +0000 UTCMany people have something trashy they love. Mine is my wife (kidding!)
AzoriusMage
2023-11-06 15:02:18 +0000 UTCTo me this is about the one good episode or first good episode from the first season. This episode famously won the George Foster Peabody Award for excellence in television broadcasting in 1987 which I am sure really helped the new series. Roddenberry's episode idea even felt like an old Star Trek episode with the captain, the science officer, and a guest star beaming down with the doctor arriving later.
Chtphr Rrr
2023-11-06 14:43:05 +0000 UTC"The broad had a face that could've launched a thousand ships."
Anthony Bernacchi
2023-11-06 14:24:58 +0000 UTCLawrence Tirney Who had a career in Noir films through the 40’s and 50’s was Perfect as Sirus Redbloc who Lent a bridge to the noir feel applied to the holo deck Included in this episode for exactly the same reason that Quentin Tarantino used Tirney in Reservoir Dogs. This is the strongest episode to this point I bet both Josh and Alex rate this episode #1 or #2 so far.
Thicketdweller
2023-11-06 14:09:07 +0000 UTCThe first "holodeck gone wrong" episode. I was fine with the idea that it can break down, and trap people inside. I was fine with the notion of safeties that could also break, since it does create real things inside (Wesley getting wet in the pilot, for example). But the one thing that I CAN'T get behind was the notion that if they don't repair it properly the program will collapse and everyone in the holodeck can vanish. That's complete nonsense inserted for TV drama. The holodeck isn't creating the people. The worst that can happen when you unplug it is the lights go out and they're just locked in a dark room. Fortunately, they didn't do too many of the holodeck gone crazy stories.
tyranusfan
2023-11-06 12:42:01 +0000 UTCHave either of you gotten into VR? This is such an influential episode, especially as we see the rise of virtual reality devices that can immerse us in a different world. While the developers of these devices most certainly have been inspired by Star Trek, I rather hope that my new headset never comes with a disabled safety protocol function!
David Wayne Fox
2023-11-06 12:05:52 +0000 UTCDespite too much Wesley, to me, the first really good episode. Thought provoking and heartbraking in its finale. An award winner as well.
Mark Chrisco
2023-11-06 11:34:05 +0000 UTCIt can't always be Shakespeare and Gilgamesh, sometimes you just need some good pallette cleansing pulp. Or, you know, alternative theory: maybe he asked the computer for Marlowe one time without specifying, and got Philip instead of Christopher. 😉
Avaria
2023-11-06 10:59:57 +0000 UTCThis is the start of an exploration of AI (in this case holographic) that continues throughout TNG, principally through Data. The scene at the end is particularly important and includes the title of the episode. Very ahead of its time.
Paul Rymer
2023-11-06 08:16:13 +0000 UTCThe only Star Trek episode to ever win a Peabody award, and also an Emmy for William Ware Theiss (costume designer for TOS and TNG)
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2023-11-06 08:02:27 +0000 UTCThe hologram at the end there, wondering if he'll still be alive after Dix leaves was a nice touch. Gates is a bombshell
James Bottas
2023-11-06 07:55:32 +0000 UTCThe deep-dive into the holodeck. Can't just have a "let's dress up and play videogames!" episode without there being some peril, I guess. I suppose being able to turn the safety protocols off to allow deadly holograms would be useful for scientific experiments in a controlled environment, but it screams; "Who DESIGNED this?!" This episode did manage to pique my interest in the Noir genre though, so there's that.
Nolan
2023-11-06 05:23:23 +0000 UTCWhat I always thought was odd was that such a cultured international guy like Jean-Luc would be so much into cheesy 40s detective novels, but maybe they wanted to show he has broad interests.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-11-06 04:49:08 +0000 UTCWelcome to the holodeck where the safety protocols turn off at the drop of a hat. This is why we watch television not interact with it.
Gregory
2023-11-06 04:47:12 +0000 UTCWell here we go. Finially an episode that feels like the Star Trek that will take you through the rest of the series and the rest...They have all found their stride and character by now so onward and up. To the bat cave! Question for you: TOS was family - are you there yet with TNG after this episode? I think you will both enjoy this episode and I predict a new Josh favorite. Wil Wheaton gave this episode an "A". He remarked, "We'd done 12 episodes before this, which is half a season, and this one was our favorite to shoot at the time. There isn't an actor in the world who doesn't love playing a period piece, and I think our real joy in filming 'The Big Goodbye' cascaded into our performances. As actors, we're clearly enjoying ourselves, so our characters feel relaxed and unselfconscious (Except for me, of course, but I was supposed to be nervous and self-conscious in this one.) It's a subtle change from some of the earlier episodes, but this is one of the very first times where the audience could really feel the actors – and therefore their characters – coming together and settling in."
Badger
2023-11-06 04:44:02 +0000 UTCA lot of people dislike these holodeck episodes; this being the first. Personally, I love these. Sure, they typically aren't meaty plot wise, but the actors get to have fun, ham it up and even gives some backstory to their characters every now and then. Turn your brain off for 40 minutes or so and just have fun.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-11-06 04:43:12 +0000 UTCSo, the first "holodeck gone wrong" type of episode. I find this episode enjoyable, but it is totally nonsensical that the Holodeck even has an option to turn off safety parameters
FireBall_IA
2023-11-06 04:37:27 +0000 UTCThis was something you both were waiting for since Farpoint. We're finally back to the Holodeck. Episodes involving the holodeck, or any "tech" for the matter, are generally at their best when they give us insight into the characters. Here, we get some nice insight into what interests Picard. What do you think Dixon Hill tells us about Picard?
Steven Johnson
2023-11-06 04:35:51 +0000 UTC
