UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Added 2023-09-04 01:49:18 +0000 UTC
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TOS Sex Scoreboard Will the TA agree but object to the decision. Spock cranks one out (well he is an old teen so then and again again and again) so MANY out Kirk 12 Chekov 4 Spock 5 NEW +1 Bones 4 Scottie 2 Uhura 1 Extras: Saavik +1 new The decision is Spock and Saavik bang like they were Adam and Eve. We see the fingers pulled out and we know what spells Sarek pulls on them so there is no doubt. The big question should he actually get credit for one because was he actually there. Spock's body gets a +1 for sure but does SPOCK get a notch on the bedpost. As stated the decision is YES. Can you imagine the late teen Spock. Getting all engine full speed on a planet that is speeding his aging. God god we only count the encounter as a +1 but how many times do you think? JEEZ Saavik would need 4 pon farrs to recover.
Prof Moff
2024-12-31 23:37:55 +0000 UTCcontroversially i agree with Josh, i prefer Robin Curtis as Saavik, and this my second favourite of the TOS films after TUC.
jon bolton
2024-12-31 07:24:35 +0000 UTCI know there were a lot of great films made in 84, but this is my 4th favourite, after Beverly Hills Cop, Police Academy, and A Nightmare On Elm Street. So yeah i do love this more than The Terminator.
jon bolton
2024-12-31 05:18:51 +0000 UTCHe didn't stop to reflect on that until he saw her burning in the atmosphere. That's when it hit him, and it hit him hard. Like shooting your horse.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-26 03:09:26 +0000 UTCBanger lines in this one
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-26 03:08:05 +0000 UTCKirk's line at the end: "The needs of the one outweighed the needs of the many" is probably my favorite line in all of Trek. And that's saying something. In the context of everything that they have all gone through, it is the perfect and final counter to the human-vulcan logic-intuition dynamic that they've been playing off of for three seasons and three movies. In 'The Motion Picture', Spock laments that there needs to be something beyond logic and reason. And in ST:3 Kirk expands on Spock's line in ST:2 to deliver what he's been looking for - It was emotionally important for all of them to risk it all for just Spock. The singular Spock mattered more than the risk to the numerous Crew. It's not just a numbers game, and it's beautiful in a way only a 100+ hours of foundational character building can make pay off.
#MaxwellDidNothingWrong
2024-06-26 03:05:59 +0000 UTCThe whole "odd numbered Trek movies are bad, even numbered are good" has always been a flawed rule. There's some basis for it, but it's hardly consistently accurate. Of the TOS films, 1 and 5 are definitely "lesser", especially 5. TMP mostly faces criticism over pacing and lack of action, called the slow motion picture or motionless picture. TFF obviously has a lot of issues with story and execution, but it's still good on character moments. TSFS I never understood to be a film fans hated, just more a matter of TWOK and TVH overshadowing it for most. If I had to criticize the film, I'd say this is the one that feels like it accomplishes the least in the grand scheme. They killed off Spock in TWOK thinking it would be the last film, then seeing it's success, decided "whoops, gotta undo that", and spends this whole movie undoing that decision. Likewise they give Kirk a family, a legacy, and then immediately take that away. Combined with a well played but fairly basic antagonist, and the loss of the Enterprise which was a big blow for fans, and you can see why it may not be many people's favourite Trek film. I also think the comments regarding your response to David's death are pretty understandable. If you had simply said you never connected to David because his character was barely developed or presented more as an extension of Kirk's character than anything else, I think most would understand that. But there's a world of difference between not being affected by David's death, and actively cheering for it. I also don't understand where that's coming from. If nothing else, David showed bravery and selflessness jumping in to save Saavik's life. I also noticed this time around that Kirk personally killed the klingon that stabbed his son. They both look pretty similar, but the facial hair is a bit different, and the one that Kirk shot was the same one that killed David. And of course Kirk also killed Kruge who ordered it. Given the status of the hero ships in Trek being characters in their own right, in a way this movie is the Enterprise sacrificing itself to save one of it's crew. I think it's fitting Chekov fills in for Spock in this movie but at the science station and in the self destruct sequence, given that Chekov was often presented as being Spock's protégé in a sense in TOS. He often took over Spock's station in the show, and often Spock takes the most direct role in his training. Sulu and Uhura didn't get a ton to do in this one, but they still gave them enough to expand on their personalities and gave them a part to play in the rescue. Scotty's love for the Enterprise is on full display in this film. His distaste for the newer, bigger, shinier Excelsior is palpable. Even Kirk can see it's not very sensible. I also love during the theft of the Enterprise how when Kirk says "now" expecting the doors to be opened on cue, and Scotty is there like "you think I'm just pressing all these buttons for nothing? I'll open the doors when I open the doors". Would have been hilarious if he just shut them again on Excelsior. McCoy was great in this movie as well. Given all their squabbles, having those 2 personalities combined was a hell of an acting challenge that Deforest Kelley absolutely lived up to. As much as he and Spock may have fought, as soon as he knew what the game was, he never hesitated to play his part, even when warned of the danger. The scene where he says he's missed Spock is one of McCoy's best moments. I do feel quite bad for Kirk in this film. He gets his best friend back, but loses a son he just connected with, as well as a ship that we know meant a great deal to him, more than any other member of the crew. Those are deep scars that will stick with him. Even faced with all that loss, he knows he could not have been a coward and sat idle when there was a chance to get his friend back(or even put him to rest as he originally thought), as he expressed when he said that if he hadn't tried, the cost would have been his soul. Sarek was also fantastic in this movie. I love the evolution of his character from TOS, which we started to see by the end of Journey to Babel, where he's gone from disappointment and resentment for Spock's career choice, to showing in his own way a pride and love for his son that would generally be considered "un-Vulcan". To say "my logic is uncertain where my son is concerned" seems innocuous enough, but for Vulcans, it's probably downright scandalous. As for Saavik, I think Robin Curtis did a perfectly fine job, and I like this version of Saavik just fine, but I still prefer Kirstie Alley's version. While I suppose Saavik's change of character could be down to the events of TWOK being a "growing up experience" that hardened her a bit and made her lean on her more Vulcan side. That said, while she's closer to a typical Vulcan, coming from having seen through the franchise and seeing MANY Vulcan characters, that's far less interesting than the TWOK version that leaned much more on the half Romulan aspect of Saavik behind the scenes. Not saying vulcans are all the same, but there's far less variation than with human characters, and Saavik was very unique in TWOK. Regarding the age of the Enterprise, 20 years isn't that old, and it's also wrong given The Cage happened 31 years before this and the Enterprise was almost a decade old even then. Even taking the earliest possible date for the Enterprise refit in TMP, which was essentially a rebuild from the ground up(completely new nacelles/pylons, impulse engines, new neck, new warp core, new shuttles, transporters, corridors, quarters, etc..) the refit is at most 12 years old, maybe just 7. That's not old. Most modern naval ships serve about 40 years, and with advanced fabrication and no salt water corrosion, a starship should be able to serve much longer. The Enterprise should be able to serve 40 years AFTER the refit given it was almost a brand new ship at that point, which would have it serving into the early 24th century. The only issue was the battle damage from TWOK that Scotty expected would take 2 weeks to repair in spacedock. I think the real issue is that the Constitution class was an old design, and while the refit significantly revitalized it, I think starfleet wanted to retire the Enterprise for political reasons. The Enterprise was a legend at this point, and had become the standard bearer for Starfleet, and the legacy of the name went back centuries indirectly to the tradition of the United States Navy. Given starfleet has this newer class in the Excelsior, that's roughly twice the size and crew of the Constitution, in a sturdier design, with all the newest technologies designed right into it from the start, not squeeze and jury rigged into a design that was never meant to accommodate them, it stands to reason they would want the best ship at their disposal bearing the name Enterprise. I expect that Adm. Morrow knew full well that Enterprise could very well have been repaired and returned to full operational status, but the real reason behind the BS excuses he gave Kirk was Starfleet was planning to make the second Excelsior class the 1701-A, and Kirk and crew got another Constitution class as the 1701-A as thanks for their actions in ST:IV since the next Excelsior class was not yet ready, so they were given one of what I suspect was the last batch of Constitution class ships being built since it was actually ready for service. Some theories say it was a renamed USS Yorktown(not a new ship), but Scotty refers to it as a new ship, so probably a brand new build that was rushed into service, hence the problems in TFF. Either way, it wasn't originally going to be the 1701-A. So finally, I think this whole story could have gone significantly differently. Morrow didn't seem completely unreasonable. He wasn't going to let Kirk take out a ship that was severely damaged on a personal mission, especially to a restricted planet. With a little diplomacy, a little shrewdness, I think he could have brought Morrow around. Morrow himself called Kirk his best officer, and no doubt he greatly respects the crew of the Enterprise. But Kirk was asking for permission to violate a standing order of the federation council, and he wanted to take a wrecked ship on a joyride to do it. Morrow couldn't grant that, not if he wanted to keep his job. But consider this scenario. The Excelsior was set to undergo trials the next day. Suppose Kirk instead requested they be allowed to tag along, and that the Excelsior's course be redirected to a position near to Genesis, but not close enough to violate the quarantine. They could contact Grissom and direct them to locate Spock's coffin(which around this time they already had) and beam it aboard to ferry it out of the quarantine zone to Excelsior(a tiny detour in their mission), which could then take Kirk and crew to Vulcan. Now that wouldn't be asking too much. The route of Excelsior's trials changes, the quarantine is maintained, and the crew of Enterprise gets to put their friend to rest. Given Sarek asked for this, and both he and his son have outstanding records of service, as well as the Enterprise crew as a whole, I'm sure Morrow would have agreed to this. Of course the issue remains that right after finding Spock alive, Grissom is destroyed, and had the Enterprise not been stolen that very night and made way to Genesis, the planet would have been destroyed with Spock, Saavik and David by the time they got there. However, no doubt Grissom would have been contacted with instructions to retrieve Spock's body shortly after so they would be ready to rendezvous with Excelsior. Given Cpt. Estaban came across as a very uncertain officer who always checked with command every 15 minutes, and Starfleet's interest in the planet, I'm sure there was constant chatter back and forth with Grissom. The radio silence after their destruction would have been picked up on fairly quickly. If Grissom failed to respond to multiple attempts to contact it, I'm sure starfleet would send a ship to investigate pretty quick, and why not Excelsior? Minus Scotty's sabotage, even though the transwarp wasn't going to work, under regular warp it would still be faster than a damaged Enterprise. Assuming Starfleet was quick in their response, Excelsior could have arrived around the same time Enterprise did. That Bird of Prey would be absolutely no match for Excelsior, and would likely be destroyed before Kruge had any chance to order a hostage killed. With their ship lost in orbit, there would just be 2 klingons on the surface, easily overpowered by a full away team. Spock, Saavik and David are retrieved, all alive, and Spock's katra is returned to his body as before(only perhaps somewhat younger), and the Enterprise gets to be retired in a museum. No mutiny charges for the crew. This wouldn't be as exciting a movie, but a much better outcome.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-06-09 07:32:25 +0000 UTCThe sun for the Genesis planet came from the Genesis wave converting the Mutara nebula and I think Genesis was the conversion of Regula planetoid. Others may know more but I think that’s the reasoning.
Mark Shampine
2024-04-30 19:00:30 +0000 UTCThoroughly enjoy watching Star Trek with you guys. Big warning. Check your demographic. Us original fans consider everything that followed the conclusion of Star Trek Enterprise in 2005. If you continue beyond that point, your views will plummet. I would switch to Kolchak The Night Stalker after that.
GeorgeReevesSupermanFan
2023-11-19 00:29:47 +0000 UTCI think a lot of the detractors point out the special effects, which are mostly practical effects, some of which didn't work as well as expected during filming. But overall, the effects have the effect of bringing us back to the feel of TOS with the 'planet of the week'. Oh, and the Klingon Targ is such an obvious Muppet (lol) that it almost gives off Star Wars vibes (ooh, sacrilege!). I suppose when I first saw this (probably on HBO in 1985 or6) I was a bit of a detractor but I was 20 or 21 at the time and felt this was a bit of a let-down after Wrath of Khan. I've had to grow since then, and this movie has grown on me as well. Also, Christopher Lloyd was not nearly as well-known then. Back to the Future was still in the Future when this was released and even though he was in some decent movies, his claim to fame at the time was playing Reverend Jim on TAXI. For him, his role as Kruge wasn't iconic until AFTER the BttF movies became iconic. I probably consider this tied with ST2 now, but I won't say where that tie falls in with the others (yet). Glad you guys really enjoyed it and it was a great reaction. Thanks. Let's go home now with ST4.
MertzRocks
2023-09-26 00:19:29 +0000 UTCThis is my personal favorite. I just love getting Spock back.
danzthename
2023-09-22 23:36:36 +0000 UTCThe intimate touching can also be seen in "The Enterprise Incident", between Spock and the Romulan commander.
Miguel A. Moreta
2023-09-21 14:56:36 +0000 UTCIt's a bit weird to freak out over a 14 year old male having consensual sex when the alternative is literally dying lol
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-17 17:30:48 +0000 UTCIt really is a bit of a stupid rule I, III and V have some of the best big-three moments
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-17 17:28:03 +0000 UTCYeah Star Trek III always didn't fit within that rule at all
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-17 17:25:42 +0000 UTCThe whole “odd numbered Trek movies suck” thing ticks me off because ST III definitely does not suck, none of them do actually, but this is definitely the best of the odd numbers movies. While making Star Trek II there was no plan that they would be a III, but Harve Bennett went to Leonard Nimoy on the set and they came up with the whole remember mind meld thing with Bones just in case there would be a sequel.
Rich Loga
2023-09-17 14:59:04 +0000 UTCi agree it's one of the best crafted of the films
Castanea
2023-09-11 23:07:57 +0000 UTCThat was a fantastic doc. Nichelle was something else.
Diane Lynn
2023-09-10 23:50:22 +0000 UTCI just want to say that I enjoyed both Kirstie Alley's and Robin Curtis' portrayals of Saavik. I liked how Alley had a touch of fire and sass in her eyes (e.g. when quoting the fake "regulation" abt unaccompanied flag officers in Wrath of Khan), while I also appreciated Curtis' coolness and restraint. It's not a competition to me, both actors highlighted different aspects of the same character. (For head canon, maybe we could say that Curtis' Saavik has become a bit less headstrong after WoK.) Great reaction guys, really look fwd to the next one.
JM63
2023-09-08 22:23:34 +0000 UTCHi guys! I had come across a documentary about Nichelle Nichols on Prime yesterday. It's called Woman in Motion: Nichelle Nichols, Star Trek and the Remaking of NASA. I was totally blown away regarding the contribution she made to the Space Program and it's recruitment of diversity. An inspiring doc.
JoeyVettes
2023-09-08 19:08:51 +0000 UTCMy god bones, wha have I done?
AzoriusMage
2023-09-08 17:01:33 +0000 UTCOh, he definitely wasn't in the right mood for that. Not after losing David. He was in total "We're finishing this mission" mode.
Steven Johnson
2023-09-08 12:46:46 +0000 UTCI know there was no time but I always wanted Kirk to pause for a moment before leaving the bridge after the self destruct sequence to say, "Goodbye, old friend."
Mark Chrisco
2023-09-07 15:10:11 +0000 UTCI find these reactions absolutely fascinating. Most of my peers parrot the adage that the even numbered movies are awful. And they also hate hate hate the first one. I don’t hew to that kind of conventional wisdom myself and I really find it fascinating that A&J liked 1 and 3 so much and didn’t go absolutely nuts over 2. Very interesting! Love the new perspectives!
Aramis Calcutt
2023-09-07 02:13:36 +0000 UTCYeah probably why Saavik couldn’t even look at Spock til the end
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-09-07 02:11:23 +0000 UTCThe third is criminally underrated it felt like the show more than 1&2. I also think the much maligned #5 is the closest to the series. There’s a lot to like in V , but 2,3,4 is a great trilogy
Scarpad’s Domain
2023-09-07 02:10:36 +0000 UTCThey originally wanted to film the Genesis planet scenes in Hawaii, since it had the look of paradise and would be a nice location shoot for the cast and crew. Unfortunately, they realized that there was no way to get the destruction scenes from the Hawaii shoot, so they decided to do the whole Genesis planet on a soundstage instead.
whacky deli
2023-09-07 00:59:03 +0000 UTCI’m pretty sure the Spock in the Pon Farr scene was 17-18 years old, not 14. Cause yeah, they got it on.
whacky deli
2023-09-06 21:59:48 +0000 UTCEven though it was apparently meant to be implied that Spock and Saavik “did it” in the cave, it’s important to realize that the scene was left open to interpretation and that certainly not all fans understood it that way at the time. When I went to hear Leonard Nimoy speak in 1985, he took questions from the audience and one person asked, “Will anything be made of the fact that Spock and Saavik were sealed in Star Trek III?” So that fan was clearly interpreting the scene as a psychic joining (like the ceremony between Spock and T’Pring when they were seven), as opposed to Saavik physically getting it on with a 14-year-old (which you wouldn’t even want to suggest in a PG movie).
James H
2023-09-06 16:35:21 +0000 UTCYes, it has the average reputation. But it, along with 2 and 6, really set the example for what a good, well-honed Star Trek movie should be. 4, while enjoyable, is more of a fish-out-of-water comedy and not what most people would consider a typical Star Trek movie.
whacky deli
2023-09-06 08:15:33 +0000 UTCLol, my Back to the Future comment made the reaction. Nice. This is a cool film for how much it opens the world of Starfleet. TWoK showed us the first new class of starship in live action with the USS Reliant, but this movie brought two more vessel classes into the fold with the prototype Excelsior and the Grissom. Won't be too terribly long before you get to see the wide world of Starship classes. And you guys are going to get VERY familiar with that Bird of Prey model. Sometimes the TV shows didn't have the budget for special effects, so they pilfered shots from the movies that did have the big budgets to stretch things out. Interestingly, in the initial script it was to be made clear that the Bird of Prey was actually stolen from the Romulans, hence the name "Bird of Prey," the painted bird underneath and the cloaking device, but the distinction was dropped and the "Bird of Prey" was a Klingon ship forever more. Spock was killed off at the end of Khan cause Nimoy at the start of filming wanted to move on. But he had so much fun filming it, that by the end he was happy to return - as long as he could direct the movie too. Pretty slick. Wrath of Khan was a Star Trek "event" this one was a bit lower key, and felt very typically Star Trek. I think that is why it has a "So okay it's average" reputation. Glad you enjoyed it. Can't wait for more! ...And the Adventure Continues..."
Nolan
2023-09-06 07:37:18 +0000 UTCThe planet, yes. The sun, no. The sun was the Mutara sun. Which we see during the battle in Trek 2. Do to the poor circumstances of the formation of the planet, it was too close to the Mutara Sun and was on a rapid decaying orbit (hence why the sun rise and sun set were so rapid.)
Steven Johnson
2023-09-05 21:34:41 +0000 UTCNo, the Genesis device turned the Mutara Nebula into the Genesis planet and its sun.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 20:37:14 +0000 UTCI always assumed the Genesis planet WAS Regula.
Joe Concepts
2023-09-05 20:16:21 +0000 UTCThe Final Reflection is the best Star Trek novel ever written.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 10:33:50 +0000 UTCGreetings! I've been following the channel since YouTube recommended your first Star Trek reaction. It's been a lot of fun to watch your initial caution sampling Star Trek blossom into love and appreciation. I joined your Patreon last month because I was especially interested in your uncut reactions to the Trek movies. I would say the most memorable part of this reaction was first Alex booing David Marcus, whom I know Alex wasn't a fan of in 'Wrath of Khan', and the simultaneously funny and surreal sight of the grin on Alex's face as his death was revealed. Josh, you had your hand over your mouth at that same time...were you covering a grin or was that shock? Fun to watch all around, and I am looking forward to 'The Voyage Home' with you both. Just a bit of background on myself: I am fifty-five years old and have been a fan of Star Trek since I saw my first episode, (Metamorphosis) during what must have been its first run in syndication. My favorite episode of TOS is 'The Doomsday Machine'. For me it has a lot of the elements that make up my favorites: a 'bottle' episode with a compelling high concept idea, lots of dramatic tension, memorable lines, a solid guest star, and a big dollop of the action-adventure that defines a large part of its mission as a series. It also has a driving score that stands out in a series that routinely has wonderful music. I know that your cinematic Trek journey is just underway, but I am happy that Alex in particular is still very fond of 'The Motion Picture'. 'Wrath of Khan' is routinely and understandably listed as the majority choice for the best of the cinematic offerings, but the memories, anticipation, and joy sitting in the theater with my uncle and fellow Trek fan reading through the movie programs that we purchased in the lobby, and the excitement of seeing it unfold on the big screen cannot be equaled for me. 'Khan' may be arguably the best Star Trek film, but 'The Motion Picture' will always have the top spot for me. I also love the refit version of the Enterprise the most of every iteration, and it is my choice for favorite spaceship of all time. I know that one wonderful attribute of science-fiction and horror fans in general is our natural curiosity, passion, and generosity. I'm sure that there will be lots of fans eager to share all of the movie trivia, behind-the-scenes tidbits, and facts, so I wanted to write this mostly to recommend to you both some books that I think would be very enlightening and informative for you during your movie watching that can give you helpful information and context for not only the films, but your first steps into the Next Generation. I'm certain from my brief research into availability through Amazon and EBay that you can snag most or all of these at good prices in both new and used condition. I apologize if you have gotten all of these recommendations before, but I can only peruse so many comments about various topics in the time I have to devote to them. Here goes: First, I would recommend for you both, (and Alex in particular) Gene Roddenberry's novelization of 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture'. I wouldn't argue that it's a particularly well-written Trek novel, (the legendary writer Harlan Ellison of 'City on the Edge of Forever' fame once said that Roddenberry, "Can't write for sour owl poop") but it is the only Trek novel written by its creator and it offers a fascinating and unique look into his vision of Starfleet, human beings of Earth at that time in history, and if submitted to the Guiness Book of World Records would win handily as 'Novel Featuring the Most Use of Italics' to describe the import of certain events and the size and scale of V'ger. It is also available in a nice 40th Anniversary Edition. Next, 'The Star Trek Encyclopedia' is an extremely helpful resource written and compiled by Michael and Denise Okuda, both longtime contributors to Trek since 'The Next Generation' and probably two people that I would nominate as critical to maintaining and curating Trek information, events, and canon. While the website Memory Alpha is a terrific resource and probably contains much, if not all, of the same information, I have a fondness for actual printed work, and there is an actual neurochemical advantage regarding the retention of information absorbed through reading physical books versus reading information off of computer screens. I recommend the third edition as it is the most complete of the editions, (covering everything up to the TNG film 'Insurrection', as well as 'Deep Space Nine' through most of season seven, and 'Voyager' partway through season five. It is a comprehensive resource you will find yourself pulling off the shelf again and again. (Note: There is a fourth edition presented in two hardcover books with slipcase, but they had an extremely low print run, and fetch astronomical prices if one ever becomes available.) Third, to assist you in your deep diving into 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' to come, Larrry Nemecek has written the 'Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion'. It is a great resource that provides plot summaries and behind-the-scenes quotes from the creatives of the show covering everything from the genesis of each episode, the writing and filming of the episodes, and insight into the personalities and clashes that occurred as they hashed out and delivered each installment to TV audiences. Look for either the 1995 edition that is inclusive up to the first TNG movie 'Generations', and an even more complete 2003 edition that has all of the feature films ending with 'Nemesis'. (There is also a book for TOS written by Allan Asherman called 'The Star Trek Compendium' that provides the same depth that the TNG Companion does. The most complete edition of that was the 1986 edition that includes all three TOS seasons, 'Star Trek: TAS, and I believe the first three TOS films. Very worthy as well). Finally, two creatives on TNG, Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda created the 'Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual'. It is a comprehensive deck-by-deck guide to the magnificent Enterprise-D, with all kinds of info on the technology, devices, and internal functions of a starship you will become very accustomed to, and I think it would assist greatly in your understanding of Federation technology and an orientation for all the exciting events taking place aboard her for your seven-season journey. The original 1991 edition is the superior one to buy, because at least according to the Memory Alpha website, the 2006 version has inferior printing quality. I have the '91 version, and treasure it. I know this post has been exhaustive, but if you stuck with me to the end, I at least hope that you found it useful, well-written, and informative. I enjoy your channel a great deal, and you are the first and only channel that I have chosen to become a patron of. Thank you so much for sharing your quest through the amazing history of Star Trek with us all. It has been fun, thoughtful, and exciting. Good luck to you both. Cheers and long life! Patrick
Grendel_Prime
2023-09-05 09:29:47 +0000 UTCIt could also just be that Kirk was exaggerating to scare the cadets a bit. I don’t think the Klingons have ever been written to consistently take no prisoners.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 08:10:14 +0000 UTCInteresting. Well, I guess they failed, because they never looked like a mix of Federation and Klingon design to me.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 07:33:51 +0000 UTCThe Genesis torpedo created a sun along with the planet.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 05:44:35 +0000 UTCI like this one a lot, but the next one is probably my fav out of the TOS movies.
Tristan Rose
2023-09-05 05:16:13 +0000 UTCWatch the TNG making of videos on the DVD. They specifically speak about that. I think it was the Vor’cha attack cruiser, and I THINK they mentioned that specifically the nacelle design was chosen to look like federation. The model designers themselves said that so.. ;) Edit: In this video the designer talks about it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbR-quGl2W0 Initially about the hull material and around 13:00 about the nacelles.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-05 05:01:35 +0000 UTCTrue but this is about how a half-vulcan acts.. and everything he personally added in that regard to Spock was perfect. I agree he can't always judge an episode correctly but when it comes to "how to act as a vulcan", I'll take his opinion over anybody else's.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-05 04:59:35 +0000 UTCThe movie opening with the end of Wrath of Khan (a la the Rocky sequels)- you gotta remember that in 1984, the VCR is still brand new. Most people went to the movies or had live TV, that’s it. The studio couldn’t count on the casual moviegoer watching Wrath of Khan at home just before this, so they take time in the runtime to refresh you or get you up to speed. I also think thematically it works for this movie, cause like you said, the death of Spock is the “inciting incident”. As you’ve guessed, Voyage Home is also a direct sequel. It doesn’t open with a recap but does take time in its first 30 minutes to remind you of these events. Thanks for the great reaction as always!
Stuart Arbury
2023-09-05 04:07:48 +0000 UTC“What you had to do. What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live.” One of the greatest quotes of Star Trek. And a perfect encapsulation of the Kirk character.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 01:43:36 +0000 UTCMaybe. But it would have taken the focus away from the events on Genesis. Personally, I’m still appalled about the Jeri curls.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 01:26:01 +0000 UTCNicholas Meyer wasn’t happy with her performance, and tried to get Kirstie Alley back for 6. And Meyer created the character in 2. So if Meyer wasn’t happy with her performance as a half Vulcan, who can argue with him? He should know, as the character’s creator. She was awful. Nimoy is not infallible.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 01:22:34 +0000 UTCHow did Uhura get to Vulcan? The novelization says after seeing Kirk and Co. off, Uhura had the job of letting Sarek know what Kirk was trying to do. Unfortunately she was being tracked down by Federation Security. They caught up with her at the entrance of the Vulcan Embassy. She was in the process of being arrested when Sarek appeared in the entrance letting the security officers know they had no authority on what was Vulcan territory. The officer offered Uhura the chance to deliver her message before giving herself up. Instead, Uhura said she was all in and disapeared into the compound with Sarek. I don't know if this was actually scripted or the work of the novelist. But, wouldn't it have made a great scene?
Mark Chrisco
2023-09-05 00:57:31 +0000 UTCTrue lol
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-09-05 00:42:01 +0000 UTCGreat movie although underrated. Nimoy really understood the characters and actors he was directing. The villain was kind of a run-of-the-mill bad guy (but expertly portrayed by Lloyd) but everything else was amazing. I loved your reaction when McCoy said "remember" at the start, that moment really hooked me when I first watched it. I liked the effects, as well. No doubt a good Trek movie. Re: what you said about this being essentially the first sequel, this is also largely the fanbase's opinion, with movies 2, 3 and 4 making up a sort of trilogy.
Captain Proton
2023-09-05 00:20:12 +0000 UTCThe next movie also continues from where this one leaves off.
Geoffrey Linehan
2023-09-05 00:18:21 +0000 UTC1 and 5 are really bad. 3 isn’t that bad but feels like a step down from 2, which is most people’s favorite . So yes, the even-odd rule makes sense.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 00:16:58 +0000 UTCJosh, someone may have mentioned already but given your love for a certain character you are in for a goddamn treat come TNG season 3.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-09-05 00:15:06 +0000 UTCTMP was a blatant retread of TOS’s “The Changeling.” So yes, it does feel like a tv episode. Because it ripped off one.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 00:14:59 +0000 UTCLeonard Nimoy didn’t approve of The Trouble with Tribbles when it first aired. I have the greatest respect for him, but he wasn’t always right.
whacky deli
2023-09-05 00:11:06 +0000 UTC“Klingon ship inside Federation space? It's an infringement on interstellar treaty boundaries. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.”
whacky deli
2023-09-04 23:56:18 +0000 UTCMore like Hollywood does this a lot. Hunt for Red October, etc.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 23:52:53 +0000 UTCIt’s never stated that she’s full Vulcan either… Kirstie Alley sure as hell played it like she was half Romulan. And she was directed by Nicholas Meyer, the creator of the character. It’s also in the novelization. That’s enough for me.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 23:49:36 +0000 UTCIt’s too bad the score for 4 is so bad. That guy went and did the most un-Star Trek music ever. Then he went and did the same thing in RoboCop 2.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 23:48:29 +0000 UTCTalk about ruining the surprise with Sarek's name in the opening credits.
Joe Concepts
2023-09-04 23:42:32 +0000 UTC-I’m pretty sure that Nimoy talked about rehearsing the David scene and Shatner decided to stumble and fall. So no, it was not scripted, but it wasn’t done on accident either. -I don’t know of any Klingon ships in TNG made to look like a mix of Klingon and Federation tech. The ships they made for TNG were the Vor’cha attack cruiser and the Negh’var battleship, and neither look like a mix of Federation and Klingon.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 23:39:20 +0000 UTCNice watch along! Can't wait for ST4.
JoeyVettes
2023-09-04 23:37:47 +0000 UTCAnd comics. ;)
Michael Nemo
2023-09-04 22:12:34 +0000 UTCMovies 2,3, and 4 meant so much to me growing up.
Firekrys FWO
2023-09-04 21:32:08 +0000 UTCIt's still regulation, Admiral.
James H
2023-09-04 21:16:26 +0000 UTCYup. TWOK uniforms are my favorite, followed by the TNG season 3 uniforms. They had nice colors and looked regal.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 21:15:57 +0000 UTCIf I cared about hair styles I'd complain about Kirk's before hers lol. Also hey, during these times everybody had a mullet lol. Everybody got the Knight Rider Michael Knight mullet lol
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 20:50:04 +0000 UTCWhy do we care about her hair style ?
Derek Orr
2023-09-04 20:43:22 +0000 UTCI mean to be fair, she shows embarrassment when facing Spock again at the end of the movie because they had sex. That's not exactly an emotionless reaction. And as I said in another comment: Let's not forget Nimoy himself directed her performance and did the director's commentary for the movie together with her and talks quite a lot about her performance, especially in that moment. So if Spock is happy with her performance as a half vulcan, who can argue with him :) He should know.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 20:38:01 +0000 UTCI love Robin Curtis performance and I like her a lot better. Also she did that performance being directed by Spock himself and he was happy with her. So much so that he invited her along for the director's commentary for the movie. If Spock himself approves of her performance that's good enough for me :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 20:25:57 +0000 UTCI think the half-Romulan thing was developed in the novelization.
Tom Occhipinti
2023-09-04 20:06:02 +0000 UTCIt’s also in the novelization by Vonda B McIntyre.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 19:53:54 +0000 UTCRobin Curtis was so bad compared to Kirstie Alley. She became completely wooden and lost the half-Romulan characterization. And they gave her an ugly mullet, while Alley had beautiful hair in TWOK. One of the reasons Search For Spock doesn’t work as well for me as 2 and 6.
whacky deli
2023-09-04 19:53:16 +0000 UTCI’ve never seen or heard anyone so strongly dislike the red uniforms. They are usually considered the strongest, best and most realistic uniforms of all Star Trek. Having a separate shirt and jacket and proper rank insignia etc. They where made to have a naval feel and move away from the Pyjama look. You can google some pics of what they would look like if they had blue and gold versions of them…it’s quite gross and scary
Derek Orr
2023-09-04 19:50:10 +0000 UTCTMP does not at all feel like a tv episode to me. It feels much more like a pure sci fi movie and less focus on the pew pew and character stuff
Derek Orr
2023-09-04 19:45:30 +0000 UTCRobin Curtis as Savick is only better if you think of the character as pure Vulcan. But the character was originally written as half romulan half Vulcan, hence a bit more personality in the Kristy Alley version
Derek Orr
2023-09-04 19:43:09 +0000 UTCYa I felt like they where not totally focused and picking up on all the emotional beats and significance. It’s a downside of this style of reaction videos vs the ones where the reactor pauses and talks for a bit about something. The no pausing style can sometimes feel a bit annoying like your trying to watch a movie and your friends are talking over the best parts
Derek Orr
2023-09-04 19:39:23 +0000 UTCSince you wondered about our moon: First of all our moon is VERY unusual. Usually planets of the size of Earth never have a moon of that size. So most other Earth-sized planets would either have no moon at all or just very very tiny ones (Like Phobos and Demos, the two moons of Mars, which are little more than asteroids, not even large enough to have become fully spherical, since their mass isn't large enough). In regards to how ours was formed: The current best theory that fits with computer models is that there used to be another planet close to Earth's orbit that was roughly the size of Mars. The orbits eventually intersected in the early solar system and the two planets collided. The "Earth" before that collision was completely different from what became Earth after that collision. So much so that astronomers use a different name for it. Modern Earth was created by that collision by the joining of most of the matter of both planets. Some of the matter was ejected and formed the moon. So both Earth AND the moon are the result of the collision of two smaller planets that no longer exist but instead joined their matter in that collision to form Earth and the moon. In regards to the question "what did Earth do before the moon, isn't the moon important for how Earth works?": Yes, yes it is very important. But as mentioned above, Earth did not really exist before that collision. And even the planet that did exist before were still VERY young and still very hot and therefore didn't have modern things like life or even oceans yet. I think they didn't even have a solid surface yet because they were still so hot from having formed only recently. This happened in the VERY early stages of the formation of the solar system. Yes, without the moon Earth would be a VERY different planet now. But the real answer to your question is: Before the moon was formed, Earth didn't exist. What makes up Earth of today used to be two completely different planets that ended up colliding. The current best simulation (which also suggests that the collision and the formation of the moon took only a few hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRlhlCWplqk PBS Space TIme also has an eccelent video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnqPqV6DdFQ The planet that collided with the Proto-Earth is called "Theia"
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 18:19:14 +0000 UTCI still enjoy 5 a lot. Some really amazing character moments.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 18:10:21 +0000 UTCStar Trek V doesn't have the best overall plot but it has some of my favorite character moments. I agree, the odd-even rule is kind of stupid.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 17:47:34 +0000 UTCIt was both sad and hilarious seeing them celebrate David getting executed lol
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 17:46:39 +0000 UTCIt's worth the wait :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 17:44:48 +0000 UTCA few things (other people might have mentioned this, but 46 comments are a bit much to check lol): - When Kirk stumbled and failed to sit on the chair and sat on the floor instead, when he was told his son had died: from what I heard that wasn't scripted. Shatner really stumbled but kept acting, and they kept it in because it's the first time we see Kirk this vulnerable and hurt and the stumble just worked so well. - Regarding Romulan and Klingon technology: I'm not sure what the real life reasons were, probably script changes and re-using models, but the end result in canon is this: There used to be a Romulan-Klingon alliance for some time, and during that time they exchanged technology. That's why the traditionally Romulan Bird-of-Prey is used by the Klingons, that's why the Romulans in TAS use Klingon battle cruisers and that's also how the Klingons got their modern cloaking devices. As you already know in TNG the Klingons are allies with the federation, and the model builders later use that fact and design Klingon ships, that will show up in episodes, that look more like a mix of Klingon and Federation tech. So what happened by accident early on was later used as official canon in future ship design to show the cooperation between allies, and tech exchange. - Indeed cloaked ships cannot fire, nor can they raise shields. The lore is that the device draws so much power that the other systems cannot be run at the same time. - The Excelsior class ship will make a return. You're now in the era where they could afford to model different classes of federation ships. Once they had the models they could re-use them. So you'll see these classes return again and again in future content. They originally wanted to have different types of ships for the federation but they could never afford making additional models. The movies gave them that opportunity to build new ships. So later shows and movies were able to take advantage of that. So the Excelsior class will make its return, hehe - When Scotty triggers red alert that isn't just going through the motions. Red alert also automatically triggers several defense-systems aboard the ship by the computer, so it isn't just to alert the crew. - It is heavily implied that Teenage Spock and Saavik had sex to get him over the Pon Farr. And it is also heavily implied later on that Saavik got pregnant by Spock. When re-joined Spock faces Saavik you can see her look down in embarassment... that was a very intentional reaction. Curtis talks about this in the making of-voiceover of the DVD. She and Nimoy do the commentary. Nimoy told her something very intimate real life to get that reaction. He wanted to imply that they had been intimate together. The pregnancy is never followed up on-screen, i think some books might go into it though. But most people consider it canon that Saavik is carrying Spock's child after this movie. And I think this was even Leonard Nimoy's intention. It is definitely intended to have been sex. The finger touching they do is basically Vulcan foreplay. - The self destruct took always 3 people. I think in the TOS episode it was Kirk, Spock and Scotty (captain plus first and second officers), but it just takes 3 ranking officers so here Chekov could fill in for Spock. THey used the exact same sequence and each one used the exact same passwords to trigger the self destruct, exactly like in the TOS episode - These three movies, Wrath of Khan, Search of Spock and Voyage Home are indeed a soft-trilogy. It wasn't planned that way, it just turned out as such. Movies 5 and 6 will still continue the story but not be THAT closely linked as these three are. 5 and 6 are more standalone. - I agree with Josh that Curtis did a better job at playing Saavik. - In regards to the uniform, don't worry, red blue and gold will have a return eventually. However there ARE differences in the red movie uniforms. the collar and rank inignia (the strip that holds the chest flap of the uniform) are a slightly different color if you look closely. - Their actions in this movie will not be forgotten, there will be consequences, but to find out which, you'll have to keep watching hehe. But don't worry, the story doesn't just ignore what they did here. - As a small side note to you guys: When you do the Vulcan greeting, it's important that you don't just form the V with the four main fingers, you also need to spread off the thumb. If you keep the thumb pressed against the palm you are doing the greeting wrong. You need three points, the thumb and the two finger-pairs. Nimoy based the greeting on a Hebrew letter of a very specific shape, that's why that is important. 🖖 (It's for the letter shin ש) - And finally I'm very glad you enjoyed this movie so much since I always considered it underrated and definitely one of my favorite Star Trek movies of all the ones that were made. I love Saavik's character in this movie the best, I love the crew interaction and the destruction of the Enterprise is so emotional and also ties in with Kirk's unwillingness to accept defeat that we established in the last movie. (Also it's kind of hilarious that you guys celebrated David's death lol I hope that didn't deminish the following scene of Kirk being heartbroken)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-09-04 17:43:55 +0000 UTCI've always felt Search for Spock was underrated, albeit not as underrated as The Motion Picture. Stealing the Enterprise and the self destruct sequence are two of my favorites moments in all of Trek. Thrilled you guys liked it so much! Wrath of Khan rightly deserves its status, but 1 and 3 are excellent films in their own right. Of the original 6 movies, only 5 is truly weak -- even then, it's still not the absolute train wreck people make it out to be, as it still has several memorable scenes and character beats.
Lovok
2023-09-04 16:57:49 +0000 UTCST5 stands far, far alone 🤢
Gaius Frakking Baltar
2023-09-04 16:01:37 +0000 UTCTBH I'm not surprised that you both liked this better than TWOK. I myself find this one a little bit more satisfying at times since we have the reunion at the end and comebacks by both the Klingons and Sarek. Cadet Foster, the guy who asked about a celebration was played by Phil Morris, son of Greg Morris from the original Mission Impossible series. Phil was one of the children in Miri and had a recurring role on Smallville as the Martian Manhunter. His best known role is perhaps Jackie Chiles on Seinfeld, which he has reprised for commericals and for Funny or Die.
Dion James Pitman
2023-09-04 14:46:30 +0000 UTCNone of the characters really exist so, as such, she's half-Romulan.
Michael Nemo
2023-09-04 14:07:40 +0000 UTC2-3-4 and 6 form a quadrilogy. Only ST1 and ST5 are standalone.
Sarcastic Star Trek
2023-09-04 13:32:18 +0000 UTCSaavik is not half Romulan - she was meant to be, but it is never stated - as such it's not canon.
Sarcastic Star Trek
2023-09-04 13:31:44 +0000 UTCThe "council" that the admiral referred to was the Federation Council, which was mentioned in Amok Time (T'Pau was the only person who ever turned down a seat on the Federation Council).
James H
2023-09-04 13:29:11 +0000 UTCthe destruct sequence is identical to the TOS episode - only in that episode it was Kirk, Spock and Scotty. Chekov is the acting science officer so he had to take Spock's place.
Sarcastic Star Trek
2023-09-04 13:17:38 +0000 UTCThe prisoners thing is because originally the enemy in ST3 was meant to be Romulans (hence the cloak and 'bird of prey' name which are romulan). They altered the script to be Klingons but kept the prisoners aspect.
Sarcastic Star Trek
2023-09-04 13:13:19 +0000 UTC"Why are they speaking English now?" Star Trek does this a lot with Klingons - they're "really" still speaking Klingon, but it allows the actors to speak properly and put the right tone in words and is easier for the audience to understand.
Sarcastic Star Trek
2023-09-04 13:12:00 +0000 UTCRegarding writing the script: Harve Bennett and Jack Sowards had a lot of trouble finding the story in Wrath of Khan. At one point, they had something like a dozen drafts, all significantly different from each other, all with differing plots. When Nick Meyer was hired as director (he was a successful screenwriter and novelist as well), he took a legal pad, sat down with Harve and Sowards and said "let's write down what we like in each of these scripts, a line, a scene, a plot, anything." Together they hammered out a draft that would eventually become ST2. They showed it to Shatner and Nimoy, who each had problems with it. Meyer told them "okay, give me 2 weeks and I'll fix it." No one in Hollywood ever rewrote a script in 2 weeks! He did, and that's more or less the script they went with. On 3, Harve knew what needed to happen. He wrote the end scene, and then basically wrote "backwards" from that. It took him three weeks to type it up, and was essentially the final version when he finished. (He and Meyer will team up for Voyage Home.)
tyranusfan
2023-09-04 13:11:51 +0000 UTCYou guys talked through a strong dialog, where Saavik explained to David that Spock was about to experience 'pon far' the burning of the blood. She had to be intimate with him to get him through it. Touch, to Vulcans, is very intimate, as they meld through physical contact. You even see it back with Spock's parents in the past. A less known Trek lore is when TOS Enterprise (Constitution class) was refit, the result was also sometimes referred to as the 'Enterprise class', The refit, was IMO, the most beautiful Enterprise ever. When I was a kid, seeing the Enterprise go down for the first time, was very emotional for me, and I hated this movie for taking her from us. I relate to Scotty a lot, and love starships. Even got to meet James Doohan in 86. A wonderful man, RIP. The 2,3,4 trilogy is where many of my generation really got started with Trek. Before them, TOS was that old rerun show that dad watched, but after these movies we all watched them a lot, and wanted more, more, more. Star Trek 4 is when they announced Star Trek TNG. They even had trailers for TNG on the original VHS movies. The tie ins, small details, and easter eggs, really take off from this point forward in Trek. Hope you continue to enjoy!
Marqushio
2023-09-04 07:56:29 +0000 UTC- Saavik is half Romulan and so Kirstie was directed with that in mind. Nimoy directed the new actress without that in mind. - Saavik and Spock have sex in the cave to temper his Pon Farr. Hence the humble look she gives him later in the film.
Michael Nemo
2023-09-04 06:46:10 +0000 UTCAlthough the reception to Trek 3 was mixed, I always loved it from the beginning. I saw it several times in the theater and still remember the first reel change (when film was still on film they had to split it into reels of about 20 minutes each. A screen would have 2 alternating projectors and it was the projectionist's job to turn on the other projector with the next reel as the last reel ended without interrupting the movie. Later on, the reels would be stitched together and put on a huge platter so 2 projectors and no manual reel changes would be needed). I don't know if you two realized that Maltz is played by John Laroquette, who was on Night Court back in the day and in the present reboot. ST3 was developed with the awareness that there were fans of all the characters, not just Kirk, Spock and Bones and was working to give them all a moment in the film, of course this was also pushed by the actors. We have to talk about Chekov's white collar. Walter Koenig was in shock when he was given this costume with this huge, goofy white collar. You will notice during the course of the movie, Chekov ditches the collar. The original foes were supposed to be Romulan, and the Romulan bird of prey was designed with that in mind. But when they switched to Klingons, there was no need to ditch the model since a Klingon/Romulan alliance was already canon. About Savikk's recasting, I thought Robin Curtis was great. Fan theory has said in light of the death of Spock, Savikk took on more of Spock's vulcaness. Although it never made it to this or the next movie, scenes were written where we learn Savikk is pregnant with Spock's child. The next movie The Voyage Home will be lighter in tone and have more humor.
Mike Rogers
2023-09-04 06:03:58 +0000 UTCThis movie I think shows the power music can have in the end scene. When he remembers and the ST music starts playing nostalgically it is helping us remember what he is remembering and why it is worth remembering and we love it. No other piece of music would work there even though they had a new theme. The film is good but the lack of a significant villain hinders it, because from Darth Vader to The Sheriff of Nottingham to Goldfinger and all villains along the way, a story is only as good as its villain and this movie didn't have one of major note. So its good but not as good as it could have been. You can do stories without one but if you are going to add one make sure he is cooking on all cylinders. Forget TMP, it doesn't count and its as if it never happened. Solid 8 out of 10.
Ken R
2023-09-04 06:03:09 +0000 UTCThe whole "only the even TOS films are worth watching" thing that gets thrown around isn't fair. Star Trek III is a fantastic film, and I will die on a hill and say even Star Trek 5 isn't bad. I'm really curious to hear what you guys will think of The Voyage Home. It's my personal favorite, but it's certainly different than the others.
Ca$hWednesday
2023-09-04 05:50:23 +0000 UTCThis is my least favorite of the trilogy 2,3,4. And t is my 4th favorite ST movie. 6, 2,4, and then 3. 4 is a lot of fun. One thing I will say is that all the crew get a lot to do.
Carl Peterson
2023-09-04 05:06:36 +0000 UTCrewatch the scene in which they do the codes for the destruct of the Enterprise. Kirk's final code is awesome! So Kirk.
Carl Peterson
2023-09-04 05:04:42 +0000 UTCJust wanted to start out with your great reactions. There’s something you mentioned on TMP I would like to say Kirk had a second 5 year mission done before he was made Admiral this was from the book put out at the time. In the book for Star Trek 2 Savik was Vulcan/Romulan. That aside I to really enjoy this movie and believe it or not I almost felt about the Enterprise destruction as bad as Spock’s death. I think because it was like another crew member. Above all else Kirk had the ship as the most important thing. All the crew had things to do. I’m glad you guys are enjoying this franchise.
Robert Elliott
2023-09-04 05:00:03 +0000 UTCThis was the first Star Trek movie I saw after only having seen TAS so it has a special place for me. I’ve always liked it and you seemed to give it the best review I have seen. There was no idea they would do 3 when they made 2 but they had a good feeling there would be a 4 unless this bombed. “The Adventure Continues” was an optimistic to be continued. The writers answer to why they keep saying red alert even without people on the ship is activating that system loads all kinds of presets for combat and emergency operations. I liked the addition of David in TWOK. You all definitely have the most negative reaction to that character I’ve seen.
Jonathan
2023-09-04 04:50:38 +0000 UTCAfter The Motion Picture the cast thought it was a flop & Leonard Nimoy said "well we made one & that was it" Most of them were surprised to do a 2nd movie. near the end Nimoy now said "I think we may have something & wanted a way out of the death scene so worked with Nicolas Meyer & Harve Bennet to come up with the vague mind meld When it came time for the 3rd movie Leonard Nimoy Michael Eisner who was the head of Paramount at the time if he could direct. Eisner said yes but then never contacted Nimoy's agent. Nimoy called Eisner & asked what was the hold up & Eisner said "we can't have you direct the movie, you hate Spock & had it in your contract for the last movie to die" Nimoy said it was never in the contract & that contract was in the very building Eisner was in so he should have someone pull it out of a file cabinet & look at it. A short while later Nimoy's agent was called & they hashed out a deal
Retro Tom
2023-09-04 04:45:52 +0000 UTCSo glad you all enjoyed it. This one along with Star Trek 6 are my favorites of the original cast movies.
Dan Krantz
2023-09-04 04:40:13 +0000 UTCAll that being said I do have one question for both of you. You can totally save this for the review breakdown video. You've seen the series, the animated series and three movies now... ...Is Bill Shatner a good or bad actor in your opinion(s)?
Steven Johnson
2023-09-04 04:37:48 +0000 UTCPeople say that of the movies, TMP feels the most like an episode of the show. But that's because that's almost literally what it is: a reboot pilot stretched into a movie. I think Search for Spock feels much more like an actual movie version of the series. With the banter between the characters, a ship battle, an adventure on the surface of a strange planet, a classic Kirk fistfight, and weird alien cultural stuff with both the Vulcans and Klingons. I think they had Saavik playing a bigger role with a more Spock-like performance this time around to fill the void of not really having Spock for most of the movie. So she brings the calm logical Vulcan flavor that Spock normally adds to the cast. I think my favorite line is McCoy's: "That green-blooded son of a bitch. It's his revenge for all those arguments he lost."
Jeff Cornell
2023-09-04 04:35:52 +0000 UTCThe indiscriminate mixing of you, thou, thee, and thyself at the end was extremely disquieting. The U.S.S. Grissom is named after NASA astronaut Gus Grissom, who died in the 1967 Apollo space capsule fire, along with fellow pilots Ed White and Roger Chaffee..
Linda Stricker
2023-09-04 04:27:27 +0000 UTCAstronomy talk: nebulas are the birthplace of stars, so there would be a star close when Genesis was formed. My idea is that presumably the planet fell into orbit around the closest one. As for a moon, Regula was right there, it could have gotten pulled in. (Now, in reality, this would take thousands or millions of years, but they didn't have that kinda time between movies.) :D
tyranusfan
2023-09-04 04:24:10 +0000 UTCI think ST III: The Search for Spock is often over-looked and doesn't get enough credit. That said, I still like TWOK and The Voyage Home better. To your question about the "planning" of these movies, there was no plan. Each time, the cast and crew thought "Well, this will be the last Star Trek film" but they made 6 of them with the original cast because they kept making money (at least domestically). It was indeed nice to see the minor characters each have their moments (Scotty sabotaging the Excelsior; Sulu with the "don't call me tiny" incident; Uhura helping the guys make it to the Enterprise; Chekov getting to do the 3-part of the self-destruct sequence). That was something I think Leonard Nimoy made sure happened. Nimoy also made sure Grace Lee Whitney was invited back for that cameo on the Spacedock lounge. The story of this film is my favorite part of it all. It is a call-back to The Menagerie 2-parter from TOS when Spock risks his career and the lives of the Enterprise to try and "save" his former captain, Christopher Pike", who was like a father-figure to Spock, by taking him to a forbidden planet. Here we have Kirk risking his career (and life), along with risking the Enterprise, by trying to save Spock.
Collin Freeman
2023-09-04 04:22:29 +0000 UTCMy favorite part is always” ONE POINT TWENTY ONE GIGAWATTS!!” Good old Doc Kruge
Rich Cirivilleri
2023-09-04 04:17:51 +0000 UTCI'm glad you really enjoyed it! II & III are my favorites from when I was a kid watching these VHS. I think it's very underrated in the classic Trek movie series. It's really interesting how suspenseful and engaging some of the scenes are - just backing the ship out of spacedock is captivating haha. I'm looking forward to seeing your reaction to IV. You're right that II, III, and IV form a trilogy of movies within the overall series and have continuation of the same story. They're sold together as "The Star Trek Motion Picture Trilogy" on a Blu-Ray set. :-) I'm glad you'll see IV before starting TNG so II and III will be fresh for you.
Bret Kay
2023-09-04 04:11:03 +0000 UTCSome people call Star Trek III The epilogue for Star Trek II. In a lot of ways it is doing house keeping for Star Trek II by resolving the things hanging on. Now I really want to hear the discussion for TWOK, I'm curious what all the David hate is for because I didn't pick up on that in the TWOK reaction. Like I said over on the other post, the trailer for TSFS basically spoiled the destruction of the Enterprise, which was met with equal pain for Star Trek fans. Soft-spoiler : they do destroy other hero ships in other stuff in the future, of course... But none quite hit the same way that this does. THE Enterprise. This is, for all the upgrades and stuff done to her, the original. The one launched in 2245, the one that was commanded by Pike, then Kirk. The one that saw so many wonderous adventures. The trilogy was not actually planned out. Nimoy wanted out for II. The death scene was the way to get him back on board. Then, as they were making two, Nimoy realized that the series may actually have a future, because they were capturing the magic of the TV show again. So they, last minute, put in that mind meld scene as just a place holder idea for a future story. Once they screened the film and realized it was too bleak of an ending they added in that final shot of the planet with the torpedo. Those two hooks are what they used for the basis of Star Trek III. They were both just by happenstance. Nimoy had to fight to be director. They thought he hated Star Trek. He got his way, and he went on to have a pretty successful career as a director. One of his other films is "Three Men and A Baby" which was a huge financial success. The original title for the story was "Return to Genesis" and featured the Romulans setting up a mining outpost on Genesis. There were some shuffles in the script at that time, Nimoy decided he wanted the Klingons instead because they were more dramatic AND it would be more economical given that they had costume and props from TMP in storage still. ST III was still on a tight budget, but ILM was able to crank out a number of filming miniature for this one that will continue to see use all the way through to Star Trek Voyager. The Excelsior model was designed to be a Japanese mecha influenced version of the Enterprise. Also, just to make sure its absolutely clear - Spock and Saavik did indeed copulate on Genesis. Nimoy says in the commentary that moment with the fingers is supposed Vulcan foreplay. It is inspired by the fact that Amanda and Sarek touched fingers in Journey to Babel.
Steven Johnson
2023-09-04 03:57:34 +0000 UTCThank you so much guys! I was feeling down and lonely all day and then I got this notification and it perked me right up! I really enjoyed the watch along and I'm so glad you liked it as it's always been a favorite of mine. I saw it in the theater with my mom and after the movie she said "Now THAT was a great Star Trek movie!"
Gary Leyh
2023-09-04 03:53:59 +0000 UTCThere was enough mass in the nebula to create a solar system.
Linda Stricker
2023-09-04 03:48:35 +0000 UTCChristopher Lloyd was known more for the Taxi television series when this came out
Terminaldogma01
2023-09-04 03:46:17 +0000 UTCOr as the newspaper movie section said on the poster “Spark Lives!” Seriously.
Terminaldogma01
2023-09-04 03:41:10 +0000 UTCThis was the first Star Trek vhs I got (or correction that I asked for for my 10th birthday from my Grandma). While some say it “ruins the end” of wrath of khan, it is a tasteful and respectful way to resurrect a character that comes with a real price. And it’s also when the crew finally becomes a family. Nimoy was generous about giving every performer in the cast some real moments (Sulu “don’t call me Tiny”, Uhura “Mr. Adventure”), which carries over into The Voyage Home. Also, in the South Park movie, Satan killing Saddam is modeled after Kirk killing Kruge.
Stuart Arbury
2023-09-04 03:17:17 +0000 UTCChekov looks like a pilgrim 🦃
Badger
2023-09-04 03:09:55 +0000 UTCThat was the captain's pet targ. The Excelsior captain's staff was carrying over the gag from that actor's character on the series Hill Street Blues, updated for the 23rd century, of course. Miguel Ferrer, his helmsman, starred on NCIS: Los Angeles for many years until his recent passing. The sole surviving Klingon is John Larroquette.
Linda Stricker
2023-09-04 02:56:31 +0000 UTCGreat stuff. I always thought this was a great bridge for the trilogy. Fabulous character moments (I love when Scotty finally admits to his miracle worker secret), and finally an introduction to the Klingons as we'll know them for the next ~30 years.
JD Nevesytrof
2023-09-04 02:44:10 +0000 UTCYay! Unfortunately I won;t be able to watch until later but at least I'll have something to look forward to
Dion James Pitman
2023-09-04 02:08:37 +0000 UTCAww, not able to watch this for a couple days.
Nolan
2023-09-04 02:08:36 +0000 UTCHope everything with your mother is ok
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-09-04 01:59:28 +0000 UTCReporting for duty, Captain. Edit post watch : Spoiler* : When they are all watching the Enterprise burning up, I always imagined one of them saying "I forgot my keys...." or similar - a very emotional scene on first watch in the theatre - but Spock is back baby! The journey continues...
MrDeadstu
2023-09-04 01:55:49 +0000 UTCYes!!! Perfect time..just drove 8 hours to help my ailing mother and this is perfect!!! I’m so excited! Thank you guys!
Badger
2023-09-04 01:51:55 +0000 UTCI'm so excited for this one! Can't wait to hear your thoughts. Here...we...go
Gary Leyh
2023-09-04 01:51:44 +0000 UTCThis is my favorite of the original six films. I just wanted to say that before it even stars. I'm getting my popcorn. I'm getting my dvd. I'm holding my Kirk comfort plushie (no i'm not.) This is the one i've really been waiting for.
Steven Johnson
2023-09-04 01:50:48 +0000 UTCA pleasant surprise! I know what I'm doing tonight now! :-)
Bret Kay
2023-09-04 01:50:21 +0000 UTC
