UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TOS - Whom Gods Destroy S3E14
Added 2023-03-23 23:29:51 +0000 UTCIt's Dagger of the Mind but different.. sort of!
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TOS Sex Scoreboard Marta did NOT get Kirked, Kirk almost got Martyred with a knife. Kirk 11 Chekov 3 Spock 2 Bones 2 Extras: Marta +1 Garth +1 When you have an Orion Slave girl in an episode, someone GOT-IT-ON
Prof Moff
2024-12-11 21:14:58 +0000 UTCAs a kid I found the over the top campiness of the performances really amusing. Today, not so much. Garth was just far to childish in his outbursts and just far to unhinged to respect as either a villain or this great captain he's supposed to be. It really did feel like Spock just spent this whole episode holding back and biding his time until the episodes runtime was filled. The whole "most powerful explosive in the universe" was also stupid as fuck. For a tiny little flask like that to "vaporise a planet", it would be a good few orders of magnitude more powerful than antimatter which simply isn't possible, and a portion of it the size of a grain of sand would be like a massive nuke going off. Also it didn't add to the plot in any way, and it's one of those things that should have a major effect on the universe but never does. Definitely a case of S3 living up to it's reputation. Kind of just felt like EVERYONE was phoning it in at this point.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-05-01 09:14:51 +0000 UTCI've already suggested and I reiterate that you would definitely enjoy watching and reacting to ST Continues. Once you get past the appearances of the actors portraying the original cast, the stories speak for themselves. Some very interesting call-backs and tie-ins to TOS episodes as well.
MertzRocks
2023-06-22 21:21:47 +0000 UTCThe thing that has always bothered me about this episode is that Spock was unable to think of a question that Kirk could answer but Garth could not. It could have been something as simple as "What did we discuss in the turbo lift yesterday morning?" or some sort of personal question. Why pick a battle strategy question that any starship captain could guess the answer to?
David Felgate
2023-03-25 23:59:50 +0000 UTCYes, Garth was a ham, but when the switch was made from Kirk pounding on the floor in a rage to Garth pounding on the floor, the acting level jumped considerably. That was not one of William Shatner's finest moments.
David Felgate
2023-03-25 23:51:18 +0000 UTCHaving a green coloured girl go out into a green coloured and green gassed surface to blow up into a green puff of smoke was a bit too green. I mean are we to believe that the green puff of smoke was from her remains blowing to nothing but a green vapour or was the green puff of smoke simply a concentration of the planets poisonous green gases or a mixture of both? Like I said too much green for a single scene.
Brad Barter
2023-03-25 05:31:01 +0000 UTCI believe Captain (excuse me, Lord) Garth wore his coat to look like a cape but I also suspect that it didn't quite fit or was too tight to sit down in and would've ripped if he had.
Brad Barter
2023-03-24 22:36:24 +0000 UTCIt'll actually be interesting to see you guys react to the first two seasons of TNG. A lot of people say they're bad (not really just a show trying to find its way.) The real difference is that early on Gene tried to do with TNG what he had planned for a sequel show for Star Trek (The Motion picture changed from being a pilot epidoe of that show through massive rewrites and extensions to a movie) with Kirk. They even used scripts for TNG that had originally been written for that show that never happened. So the earlier TNG seasons feel a lot more like TOS and only after Gene became too sick to continue and Rick Berman took over, the show changed and found its identity as its own thing. Since you both enjoy TOS so much, especially some of the cheesy but special episodes, it'll be interesting what you think of seasons 1 and 2. Maybe you end up really liking them precisely because they're more like TOS :D We'll see, I'm looking forward to it :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 21:30:01 +0000 UTCWith that amount of rewriting you're almost Gene Roddenberry haha
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 21:25:28 +0000 UTCFunny that you mentioned Marta’s acting being Batman like she played Batgirl in the 60’s. Weak episode for sure.
AzoriusMage
2023-03-24 19:31:03 +0000 UTCWe watched it this past week, uncut reaction should be up this weekend!
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-03-24 15:29:20 +0000 UTCSteve Inhat was a fine actor, a bit younger than he appears as Garth. Another actor briefly considered for the lead in this series by Roddenberry.
Mark Chrisco
2023-03-24 14:51:51 +0000 UTCClearly, the Orion Slave girl got her part because of her ability to dance (well move in a way that might be considered dance) not because of her acting ; the other inmates got their parts because they fit into the costumes from earlier episodes not because of their acting. The Garth didn't get his part because of acting ability but because of........ his ability to....... well... the fact that he can.....he fit into the giant fur ..no..... um.... okay I don't know why. I'd say he was overacting but honestly it is hard to call that acting at all more like puking and dry heaving words and grunts. Makes me long for the days of the kid episodes so we can see better acting.
Prof Moff
2023-03-24 14:46:26 +0000 UTCI am really looking forward to your reaction to Episode 15 which is one of my all time favorite episodes. The larger message really hit home with me as a teenager watching these episodes after school growing up.
Mike S. aka Peaky Blinder
2023-03-24 14:37:31 +0000 UTCI think this was yet another episode das was shot and scripted a bit too much like a stage play for Josh and Alex to get much out of it. I think they generally like the more TV like things better (And to be fair, Roddenberry wanted it to be more cinematic and more like an adventure show too)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 11:00:25 +0000 UTC@Josh I understand that you don't want to watch ST Continues as part of your regular watching since you want to watch everything in broadcast order. But maybe watch the pilot episode of that as a Patreon special? I'd love to see your reaction to what they did fresh after watching the original. I don't think anybody out there would be able to compare the two immediately after watching the original for the first time. And then watch the rest in actual broadcast order after everything and see what it feels like then after you've seen all the other stuff. I think that comparison would be really interesting :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 10:59:03 +0000 UTCI think Lord Garth and the actor who played him is fine. My issue is with the plot. Nothing really happens. It would have been cooler if pretty early on Garth tricks Kirk and he gives up the move. the Enterprise beams Garth on board and most of the episode is Garth and maybe on other person who can shape shift trying to keep the crew convinced that they are Kirk and Spock. the B plot would be the real Kirk, Spock and the other guy escaping from the other inmates who were let out. Then you would have had some very cool parts for Scotty, Sulu, Uhuru, and Chekov. They could have done something witty and figured it out and eventually beat Garth. Then they get back to the captain and Spock just in time. they save Spock and Kirk from a death at the hands of the other inmates.
Carl Peterson
2023-03-24 06:54:52 +0000 UTCTitle reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom_the_gods_would_destroy,_they_first_make_mad
Zefram Cochrane
2023-03-24 05:15:01 +0000 UTCLord Garth was an unfortunate ham, and everything rests on his shoulders. He's just not good enough an actor to take that on, as compared to Commodore Decker, Edith Keeler, Spock's mother, and choice others who came on the show to do the heavy lifting. It had some good ideas and could probably be remade into a fun movie, but this was a big miss. Basically, if you want to be a Lord and have people kneel you gotta put in the work. This actor didn't sadly. Yvonne Craig was very pretty and knew how to fill a costume, but was no master thespian herself. That said, I'll always love her for her saber dance with frosted swords on Batman.
Ken R
2023-03-24 03:54:32 +0000 UTCWe are gonna watch 2 at a time but they will all be their own video
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-03-24 02:38:35 +0000 UTCHate to say fans told you so, but this is Season 3. Personally, only "All Our Yesterdays", the penultimate episode, is the best one left. A few unintentionally hilarous one and the last one will make today's Gen X'er's say "WHAAAAAAA?" TNG is pretty decent from Seasons 3-5, but it'll be great to see you get to DS9.
Shane Davis
2023-03-24 02:13:01 +0000 UTCKirk versus The Joker and Harley Quinn, a perfectly fun Batman episode. Banned by the BBC until 1994.
deconstructionist66
2023-03-24 01:58:02 +0000 UTCAnother episode with potential and a few good moments that did not even reach an overall B-grade. You can tell the budget cuts for Season 3 do not help the overall suspension of disbelief. The biggest disappointment for me was Steven Inhat's over-the-top performance as Garth. A potentially very interesting character that never comes close to living up to that potential. He seems to think acting silly and goofy equals being criminally insane. I'm sure the script lines didn't help. I always enjoyed seeing Yvonne (Batgirl) Craig in anything, even here as Marta the Orion crazy woman. Craig had been a dancer/ballerina for several years before this.
Collin Freeman
2023-03-24 01:55:18 +0000 UTCI know at one point you were talking about possibly doing two animated episodes in a single video, but I think the discussion would benefit more from doing each one separately. Just my opinion.
James H
2023-03-24 01:34:21 +0000 UTCThis is my guilty pleasure episode, and one of my favorites of the season, but yeah, it all depends on your enjoyment of Garth (LORD Garth!) as a villain. I don't care about his backstory either. I've just always enjoyed his and Marta's over-the-top hamminess in every scene, and the episode gets away with it because the whole premise is that they're completely insane.
Jeff Cornell
2023-03-24 01:26:29 +0000 UTCTAS is only 22 episodes and they are 20 minutes each so we are gonna blow through it pretty quick
Josh (Target Audience)
2023-03-24 01:16:52 +0000 UTCBill Shatner just celebrated his 92nd Birthday. I'm glad he's still with us. last of the big three, still going strong. You've probably been told, but Marta is in fact an Orion (Vina from The Cage was also a "green animal woman" IE Orion) which probably explains some of the acting on Yvone Craig's part. She's sorta... Cat-like. Pawing at Garth. I don't really have strong feelings on Garth. He is a hammy dude. My friend and I used to parrot "YOU WROTE THAT!?" because the way he says it so weird. This is, in fact, the episode that inspired the fan film "Star Trek Axanar" which turned out to be a giant grift, and ruined Star Trek fan film productions because Paramount/CBS locked down on them hard... 1.2 million dollar grift. Star Trek Continues had to shut down ahead of schedule, after just having gotten their engine room set built. Krotus is a Klingon conqueror, which is one of the ones Garth name dropped. That's not officially documented anywhere, but that is the intention, it fits with the naming conventions of all the other Klingons in TOS. Kor, Kang, Koloth. Also, the only time Axanar was EVER brought up since this episode was in the Starfleet Battles board game.. and once, just once, we hear Captain Archer in Enterprise mention "The Axanar" as a species. It is such a throaway reference and means literally nothing. We never did get to see what happened at Axanar that made "Kirk and Spock brothers." The way the Axanar fanfilm was going to tie it all together was that it codified the Federation, (Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarites, Earth, Deltans, Saurians) as one absolutely united front... Against the Klingon Empire. None of that is EVER covered in canonical Star Trek outside of incredibly vague references that the fans tied together. In TOS its already clear Starfleet/The Federation has been dealing with the Klingons for quite a long time. While I get the idea of wanting "new" creatures... This is basically the little piddle world building we get. For us long timers, any time we get to see some of the old guys return, it makes the world feel a little more real, that those species are out in the galaxy doing stuff and we can meet them. Similar to Mass Effect, ya know, you go places and hey look... It's a Quarian, what are they up to? Did I read right that you guys are actually planning to watch TAS? Oi. TAS is... It's got a couple good episodes, but i'll be honest... A lot of the time it is boring as shit. If you can imagine the old Scooby Doo Cartoon, but on a lower budget... Yeah. That's Star Trek TAS.
Steven Johnson
2023-03-24 01:04:53 +0000 UTCDefinitely one of the weaker episodes. That battle of Axanar that was mentioned was actually supposed to be turned into a major fan film, but unfortunately the rights holders stamped on that one hard.. which is unfortunately. It was a project a lot of fans were looking forward to... So in that sense, there was later a reference to this episode indeed :)
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 00:41:53 +0000 UTCMagnanimous basically means being generous and forgiving towards an enemy.
Andreas Schmitt
2023-03-24 00:03:54 +0000 UTCQueen to Queen's Level 3....I quote that sooooo much. I'm still at work, so I'll join ya tonight, but I liked this one. I like watching Kirk try to appeal to reach someone through their megalomania. and Double Vulcan Neck pinch for the win.
Firekrys FWO
2023-03-23 23:55:27 +0000 UTC
