UNCUT REACTION Star Trek The Original Series - Bread and Circuses S2E25
Added 2022-12-09 13:23:50 +0000 UTCHere is our full uncut reaction to Bread and Circuses
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TOS Sex Scoreboard Drusilla: you got KIRKED Kirk 8 new +1 Chekov 2 Bones 1 Spock 1 Extra: No doubt about this score. A real Drusilla drillin’. And it was Kirk at his best. A whole candle time or maybe some of the wax was used in the "last night alive" sword play.
Prof Moff
2024-12-05 15:17:21 +0000 UTCNot too much to add to what's already been said. It's a pretty decent episode with the only thing really dragging it down being that it's yet ANOTHER parallel Earth scenario. Gotta say though, watching as a kid, I never really grasped just how much Claudius cut Merik's balls off. At least he had that little act of redemption at the end. It's a bit of an unresolved story thread that they left communicators and phasers behind however. Just a few episodes back they were worried about the contamination that might cause. There were also some great Spock/McCoy scenes in this one.
Timothy Nikiforovs
2024-04-22 06:25:32 +0000 UTCYou'll be saddened to hear that Senensky gets fired during the third season.
MntrTodd
2022-12-13 20:32:47 +0000 UTCOkay I have to admit it. I have used the phrase: "You pointy eared Hobgoblin" many times to defuse situations where friends are getting into a heated arguement. Works every time...
Prof Moff
2022-12-10 19:15:13 +0000 UTCOh and Flavius is a real name from Roman times. Flavius Josephus is a very famous Jewish historian. He i often best known for mentioning Christianity in his writings. Some of the writings in which he mentions Christianity were forged (not by him) but some are real. He is a major source for a lot of what we know about the Roman time period (amongst others of course).
Carl Peterson
2022-12-10 17:22:50 +0000 UTCThis is one of the best of the alternate earth episodes but it is just not campy or fun enough for me to come back to it often. One of the high points is the scene in the jail with Spock and Bones. The subtlety of the scene in which Spock says "Really" and then Bone says that he was worried about their mutual friend also was great. It was definitely held to the "show don't tell" advice given to so many authors. Such great acting also. The Christian element was not just an add on. It was woven all through the episode and was an integral part of the story. It was part of the story of the underused character and story of Maximus. I wish they would have focused more on him and then his sacrificial death in the galaditorial games.
Carl Peterson
2022-12-10 17:20:44 +0000 UTCI would not ay that Christianity made Rome fall but it was very counter Rome. There was Rome when Constatine made Christianity no longer against the law and later how it became the recognized religion but it also came with a down side. The episode was not completely wrong but not exactly right either. Christianity was subversive to Rome but once it became more and more accepted, it was adapted somewhat into being more Romish. This is much more complicated than any Star Trek episode can show though. I think they did a good job of showing how Christianity had principles like humility, grace, mercy, and compassion that was largely foreign to Rome and much of that time but seem normal today. The Christian Worldview survived the fall of Rome and influenced all of the Wet like nothing else before or since.
Carl Peterson
2022-12-10 17:13:15 +0000 UTCI actually enjoyed this episode more than I remembered. I agree about Senensky. He’s proving to be my favorite as well.
BURKE Wells
2022-12-10 03:01:35 +0000 UTCIt’s referred to as a “back door pilot”. It’s seems like Gene R. wanted a similar show to that famous British sci fi show.
BURKE Wells
2022-12-10 02:46:13 +0000 UTCI agree that they keep referencing Earth way too much in TOS from having identical looking planets as Earth like in Miri, to having exact Earth like conditions here but also too many episodes with rogue Captains, Commodores etc. bringing issues, beliefs, religions and dictatorships directly from Earth and dropping it on a human looking alien culture such as Omega Glory and now with Bread and Circuses. With how many bad Captains there were I'm tempted to say something about the end of the Enterprise's 5 year mission but to prevent spoilers am biting my tongue until at least season 3 is completed. I like parts of this episode such as the lead villain but the similarities to Earth such as having Romans of the same name as well as cars etc with names of planets in our solar system these aliens would never have seen nor heard of especially since the stars in the sky to them don't represent planets etc but lights from Heaven makes no sense. In real life there is a picture of William Shatner dressed as Kirk leaning against the actual car they named the Jupiter 8 which is awesome.
Brad Barter
2022-12-10 01:50:58 +0000 UTCI love the dialog during the televised arena games, both the Roman who says to Flavius if he sends the ratings down they'll do a special on him and the banter between Bones and Spock during the fight. This was my mom's favorite episode. She began to really watch and enjoy Star Trek after seeing this one.
Collin Freeman
2022-12-09 23:25:29 +0000 UTCRoddenberry got in more than a few shots aimed at the tv networks - which he did not get along with. The Son of God revelation was a bit surprising considering Roddenberry was not a fan of organized religion.
Stardate 1312.4
2022-12-09 20:12:52 +0000 UTCI count this one as the last pure cultural copycat episode, though they still manage to get some pseudo-cultural copycat stories in during season three. They try real hard to move away from the standard 3 themes(bad computer, gods, and cultural copycats) in season three but they still sneak them in but they aren't as central to the plot. There were more constraints in season three and the writing dropped off - though there are still some really good, thought provoking episodes. The last episode of the season is the one I really want to hype. The older I get the higher up on my list it gets - i'm not sure why. I am so happy this is the one you are live streaming - I will try very hard to attend. The only spoiler I will throw out is that this one was written to be a pilot for a Star Trek spinoff - so there was a lot of effort put into it.
Ricky Johnson
2022-12-09 19:47:00 +0000 UTCAll of the Senensky podcasts are amazing!
James H
2022-12-09 18:51:41 +0000 UTC@James H Agreed. If anything the spread of Islam in North Africa and the resulting breakdown in trade across the mediterraean due to Arabic pirates and other such thing are more to blame than the spread of christianity across Rome. Rome's golden age was when they basically controlled the entire mediterranean, which massively boosted trade of goods. When that was no longer the case with the split of the empire, mass migration and the conquering of North Africa by the Islamic Expanasion, that time was over, it was just a matter of time.
Andreas Schmitt
2022-12-09 18:47:15 +0000 UTCThere was a somewhat prevailing view in the 20th century, popularized by the writings of Edward Gibbon, that Christianity was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire. But as you say, the fall of the Western Roman Empire actually happened much later and had a number of complex causes.
James H
2022-12-09 18:26:13 +0000 UTCAgreed. I did not grow up religious, so just accepted this episode for what it is, but it did get more fascinating when I grew up and studied Roman History
Firekrys FWO
2022-12-09 17:51:32 +0000 UTCI always liked this episode. As for Christianity and Rome... some historians might have some more detailed insight, but from what I know Christianity had nothing to do with the fall of Rome. Rome actually ended up adapting Christianity as a state religion eventually and lived on for hundreds of years as a Christian Empire. That's why the seat of the catholic church is to this day in Rome. It's actually a bit the other way around. When Rome split into the Western and Eastern Roman Empires, the eastern part in Constantinople eventually transformed into the modern East Orthodox Christian Church, while the western one got replaced by many followups. There was the German Holy Roman Empire, of which north Italy along with Rome was a part, and the German emperor saw himself as the successor of the Ceasars, while in the east the Tzar, which is derived from Ceasar as well, became their followup of the east roman empire. In the west it split further, for some time there were two popes, one in Rome and one in Avignon I believe, with eventually the French Emperor seeing himself as a successor to the Ceasar, in direct opposition to the German Emperor and so on and so on. You guys should look into Roman history, it's fascinating, and a lot of Rome lives on to this day. Most of the western world's legal system is heavily based on Roman law, and their legal procedures. That's why a lot of stuff lawyers quote as legal principles is quoted in Latin. Those principles are really THAT old. Rome lives on in many ways. even in the United States :)
Andreas Schmitt
2022-12-09 15:16:36 +0000 UTCI’ve listened to most of their first season episodes, but still have a lot more to go! Heard Ralph on the This Side of Paradise episode, seems like a great guy! - Josh
Josh (Target Audience)
2022-12-09 14:24:12 +0000 UTCFor whatever reason, this episode was held back. It was filmed much earlier in the season. It was filmed just after Tribbles and just before journey to Babel. That’s why you’re seeing Kirk in the green wraparound. After Gene Coon left, that costume was never used again. If you note the episode credits you’ll see the produced by Gene Coon card come up. By the time the episode aired, he was long gone by about six months.
Rich Cirivilleri
2022-12-09 13:43:34 +0000 UTCHey Josh! I really hope that you have discovered “the enterprise incidents “podcast, which also streams on YouTube. It’s a must listen because every episode of Ralph Sinensky‘s is there with Ralph himself joining in on the discussion. He’s 99 years old and as sharp as a friggin tack. He’s engaging and witty and he remembers everything. I’ve learned so much from these podcasts. And I know it all.LOL!
Rich Cirivilleri
2022-12-09 13:40:39 +0000 UTC
