ali rambles: thoughts on viewing art & other things! :)
Added 2024-04-21 10:23:42 +0000 UTCHello everyone! I’m finally home and able to post one of my rambles :) I wanted to give a big thank you for all your sweet comments during my travels. I was only able to use my phone at the time but it was so nice seeing all your kind messages so really, thank you for that ❤️
This ramble is one I recorded a while ago but never posted- my intention was to post it during my move lol. I hope you still enjoy the topic though or find it nice background sound. I’m slowly getting to comments and working on my next few roleplays. There’s lots to catch up on but I’m looking forward to it!
As I was re-listening to this I chuckled to myself because I recently had a chat with one of you regarding a band that I can’t listen to anymore because of similar reasons I talked about haha! Even I’m unable to conquer the separation of art/artists sometimes. For reference I can’t listen to Nickleback ever since their jab at Slipknot a few years back xD
Comments
I’m pretty much the same when it comes to certain things like you mentioned. I brought this up to someone else but there was a band member that was doing some really bad stuff via their platform so I completely stopped listening to them altogether. To be honest their music wasn’t that good anyway looking back. Based on what you said I wouldn’t be surprised if we were talking about the same singer. I get the YouTuber/streamer thing too! I think the personal involvement and the way their content is consumed changes the dynamic a bit for me. For example, I can read a book or watch a movie by someone who could be a piece of shit and not generally care. I think it may be because they aren’t as involved with their fans as streamers are.
alichu
2024-04-25 09:34:45 +0000 UTCI just realized that I completely forgot to post a comment on this after watching it lol. I don't really change much for most mediums when I find out something bad about them. Unless it's really bad, I remember reading a news story about a singer of a band that was molesting children in their fan base. I don't think I could ever listen to the music of someone again in that scenario. However I still will listen to people like DMX who is a massive scum bag, but listening to their music doesn't make me feel bad. I'm sorry to hear about those comments though, I know that with youtubers/streamers people can be a little unhinged due to the medium being a little more personal. Also speaking of that, I will stop watching youtubers/streamers more easily than most other mediums because it is so personal. Like if I found out a streamer cheated on their spouse, I would instantly stop watching them lol. It's not THAT bad of a thing to do on like the overall like scale of horrible shit but it would ruin my view of their content forever.
JokermanTalon
2024-04-24 11:42:31 +0000 UTCI’m glad you enjoyed it Succotash! I really like discussions and topics like this so it was really cool reading what you thought too :) I agree 100% with everything you said. As someone who likes some weird stuff I always think it’s silly when people judge based on fiction. I mean come on, just because I like gore/guro content that doesn’t mean I’d do that stuff in real life! lol. I’m a pretty big supporter of not censoring (unless it’s to protect people of course). But for my own reasons I like to create as a means of stress relief, story telling, etc. I’m sure the same goes for a lot of comedians. Love standup btw haha! For those reasons I think it’s important to let people create without worrying about who it will offend or what “rules” they will break. If someone doesn’t like it they can move on- there’s plenty of other content to consume on the internet :P
alichu
2024-04-24 02:11:40 +0000 UTCI actually love kind of talks like this, it’s the kinda stuff I talk about with friends IRL. Honestly I think some people just can’t seem to separate fiction from reality because they’ve become so invested in their online lives that they no longer know how to consume media with any sort of discernment. Take comedy for example, most comedians use offensive language and subjects to catch the audience off guard and make them laugh, but do they mean half the things they say literally? Of course not! But people take offense and stop at nothing to destroy their careers because they couldn’t take a joke. I think parasocial fans are another consequence of this inability to separate art from artist or character from person, ESPECIALLY with VTubers and ASMR roleplay creators. People will interact with a creator and assume that means they have a personal connection with them, because ALL of their interactions are online. They forget that the creator is still a complete stranger, and just because their interactions are friendly, that doesn’t mean they’re actually friends. So as sad as it is, I’m honestly really not surprised that someone took legitimate offense to your yandere character. They assume that because you created that art/strory, that means you must agree with it, because they’ve lost the ability to distinguish a creation from the creator. Even though it’s very obvious to see that your intent isn’t to portray a normal healthy relationship, it’s to make an entertaining story (I mean come on it’s an anime ASMR roleplay for crying out loud) It’s sad because that kind of mentality has really made censorship go too far like you said, to the point where I feel some people are afraid to create things because of what others will assume about them personally. People seem to have forgotten that if they don’t like something, they can just not engage with it and move on. I do think lewd art gets it the worst of all. Like yeah there is some WEIRD stuff out there that grosses me out personally, but do I assume that what people like in fiction is what they want IRL and go out of my way to insult and ridicule people for their niche interests? Of course not. I just avoid that content and let it be (like a well adjusted adult y’know?) So long as what they’re doing doesn’t hurt anyone, why would I care what they do?
Secular Succotash
2024-04-23 04:32:54 +0000 UTCI 100% agree with you! Sometimes it’s best to be blissfully ignorant in my opinion. It’s not that I don’t like to learn or know things but just to keep my mental health in check. I also think a good break from social media is good now and then for sure.
alichu
2024-04-23 04:31:11 +0000 UTCI’ll never forgive Blizzard for getting rid of the /spit in WoW D:< As a pvp-er that made me so angry! lol.
alichu
2024-04-23 04:19:55 +0000 UTCYou make some really good points Skelly and I agree with you! There’s only been a few times that looking into an artist/person’s life has ruined their craft for me. I’ll admit my distaste for Nickleback is silly but hey, don’t diss on Slipknot! lol. I think they apologized for it so all is good :P In general there’s only a handful of times someone has been “ruined” for me. 99% of the time I separate the person from the work. And like you said, more times than not I just don’t care. And I don’t mean that in a bad way but in a it has nothing to do with me sort of way if that makes sense. I consume something for what it is not so much for the person making it. I read something recently about what you mentioned. Despite having access to all this information more and more people are depressed. Sometimes I think it’s good to step away and chill for a bit. Realize that at the end of the day the main things that matter are you, those close and things that make you happy. As for the car…I honestly can’t stand looking at it right now lol. I need to give it a good wash after all the stuff it went through!
alichu
2024-04-23 04:18:33 +0000 UTCI’m glad you’re staying positive Azazel despite the job situation- good on you for keeping a good attitude! Sometimes it takes a few places to get one that feels right, don’t let it bother you too much. Some people may feel differently but I genuinely think that having coworkers that you can at least coexist with is a must. I don’t need to be friends with my coworkers or anything, but I at least need to feel that we respect one another. Don’t worry though, another one will come around that’s right for you! :) You talking about the Japanese soda is really making me want some right now btw lol.
alichu
2024-04-23 04:03:26 +0000 UTCI think you bring up a good point to this! For the most part I try to keep the two separated but even given that I can’t do it 100% of the time. There’s been a few things that I haven’t been able to get over once I found out about them. I think the biggest example is similar to what you mentioned. I know of a band/singer that used their music for means of doing bad so I see that differently. It’s one thing if someone makes something completely separate from themself and another if they use said platform to justify bad behavior. Thanks for your comment Anon, I enjoyed reading what you thought about this ^_^
alichu
2024-04-23 03:08:11 +0000 UTCYour comment about my art and stories really means a lot Karmax, thank you for that ❤️ I have so much fun creating characters, so to know that you all like them too is such an awesome feeling ^_^ You make a good point about the para-socialism that comes with making content. I’ve seen it happen a lot (especially with vtubers and streamers) and I would agree that there is a good and bad side to it for sure. I never want anyone to get the impression that I am the character (unless it’s specified like the recent Patreon one haha!) but rather it’s an act/story I want them to enjoy and relax to. Unfortunately that’s not always the case though, some people seem to genuinely believe I am said character. I promise I’m not a yandere! XD As for the NSFW ASMR, I don’t have any issues with it but I don’t ever plan on personally doing it myself. I’ve had a lot of people ask if I will but nah, it’s just not for me. The only thing I dislike is when people or platforms like YouTube deem all ASMR as that when it isn’t. It’s fine if that’s what people want to do or consume but to see all roleplays or all ASMR as that isn’t fair. Thanks again for your comment Karmax, I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic and hope you’re doing well! :)
alichu
2024-04-23 02:57:33 +0000 UTCSometimes it's worth sacrificing knowledge for happiness. A good example is distancing yourself from the news or social media to avoid being bombarded with doom and gloom posting. A bit of ignorance can be a good thing! (In moderation)
codytachi
2024-04-22 15:05:58 +0000 UTCGame like Call of Duty and Overwatch. that are based on being toxic. Can no longer be toxic because blizzard/Activision are trying to sensor foul language. They won’t let you be toxic/ trash talk even in some of their e-sports leagues or you get banned. Which is stupid in my opinion.
Wheniks
2024-04-22 05:20:15 +0000 UTCWhen it comes to separating the artist from the art I think everyone has their own tolerance for what won't ruin what they like that they've made, for me personally I try not to look into artist personal life mostly because I just don't care, the actual art itself is more interesting unless I know the actual person then it can be neat to look at what made them want to make it. The idea that someone would enjoy something and then look into the creator and then hate what they made is kinda crazy to me, if you like something then like it even if the person that made it is a weirdo. There is one director that made a terrible movie that ruined a franchise but they later made a movie and I ended up watching it and I wanted to hate it but I ended up enjoying it despite their other work being terrible. I also think that hating someone's work exclusively because of how they act outside of it isn't a healthy way to go about it, like maybe they made this thing and it was some of their ideas trying to come out and through that they become a better person but if you just hate their stuff then how does that help anyone. I'm not saying don't hate anything but I think it would help if everyone just thought more about why they think the things they do. On the topic of ignorance is bliss, I think it's very true. We live in the most prosperous time in human history and yet more people are depressed than ever, and I really believe that a big reason for that is the fact that we are constantly bombarded by the entire world's problems and we think we need to do something about them all. I've noticed in my own life that the more I use social media and the internet in general the worse it makes me feel. Then the relief is when you realize that average everyday life just isn't like that. I think that everyone would be much happier if they only worried about he stuff around them and didn't worry about stuff on the other side of the world that they cant do anything about anyway. To sum up my thoughts, the world is very opinionated, but you know what they say, opinions are like buttholes everyone's got one and they stink. I'm glad you got there safe, and I imagine you won't be too eager to get back in a car for a while lol.
Sir Skelington
2024-04-22 04:27:01 +0000 UTCYou know, I would say things are going swimmingly, but that would be a small lie. Alright, for starters is that I got fired 2 days ago not even 20 minutes in my shift. They stated that I've still been getting complaints about being a smartass from my coworkers and just ended up with them saying that they're letting me go. It's complete bullshit and such, especially since none of it was for good reason, but at that point, I already know they're gonna want me back because of how much I work fast. The good news out of all of this is that I have some of my family over since they are in the midst of watching my little brother get confirmed with his guardian angel and such. Some other bright news is that I also managed to get a pack of those Japanese glass soda bottles that have that marble in them. I really like those things flavor and for me to get a pack of them sets me up for the next week. Even with me being jobless, I at least got more money for the days I've worked and I've basically accumulated enough to still be a cat so all and all, I'm still good.
BloodyAzazel
2024-04-21 19:01:31 +0000 UTCIn terms of separating the art from the artist, I feel like it depends on how close the subject matter of their art is to the "bad thing" that they did. For example, there's a band I found in my early teens that made music about a variety of nerdy culture stuff. A few years later, most of the band members got called out/arrested for doing scummy stuff. I still listen to their work every once in a while though, because what they did wrong doesn't really have anything to do with their music. However, I wouldn't be able to listen to a band that makes tons of "I wish everyone would love each other" type songs if the band members were violent/abusers/racist/etc.
Anon Girl
2024-04-21 13:26:51 +0000 UTCMy take away from this ramble: -my brain: smooth, no weinkls, cute, can't think = no sad Yuor brain: BUMPY WERID, GROSS WRINKLES, UGLY!!!!, THINKS=SAD (This is just some random discord meme that the first part of the ramble reminded me of lol) Younger me: I love to eat hotdogs! *Watches a documentary about how hot dogs are made* Me now: hot dogs are gross (I wish I never knew :( ) As for your issue with people taking your work too seriously, I don't think that it is a censorship issue rather it is issue with para-socialism. That the censorship part is more of a byproduct of the para-socialism. It is the same issue with all content creators alike, people who like your work associate that work with your irl character and then they put you on a pedestal with high expectations of their own selfishness. When that expectation is broken then they immediately disengage and become negative towards you. It's kinda like how they say "never meet your heroes". It is not to say para-socialism is all bad but this specific type of obsessive para-socialism is bad. Like a example of a good para social relationship is just regular fans that causally enjoy and support your work For your case specifically, it is tricky and difficult. First thing I will say is that in your genre of content, monster girls and some anime tropes, is lumped in with other creators who make nsfw content. For example, if I search up ASMR monster girl on YouTube I will get a lot of audios that are suggestive, lewd, and borderline sexual. Which is weird to me because ASMR is supposed to help with sleep not with help you get into the "mood". It isn't any fault on your part but it is because of the type of content that your peers(if you would call them that) make or other people who make monster girl ASMR audios. It isn't unique with that kind of ASMR too, the ASMR community as a whole had issues with sexual ASMR in the past. So a good portion of your audience might have the same expectations for you as they do for creators that make similar kinds of work. But those who actually appreciate your work or at least speaking for myself. I liked your content because it is goofy(not in a bad way :p), self made art, original ideas/script, a nice relaxing soothing voice, different variety of monster girls, and I can't exactly explain it but there is this wacky charm within the characters you create, maybe it is quirkiness. That is what I think separates you from other creators of similar genre. You don't need to be suggestive or nsfw to make good ASMR audios.
Karmax
2024-04-21 11:49:03 +0000 UTC
