Kingdom of Heaven Reaction

Calling Crusades foreign occupation Is peak hypocrisy when Islam originated In Arabia, why are they In the Levant? Oh because they are foreign occupiers that oppressed the people they conquered, and had been Invading Christian lands and cleansing all different religions under them like their prophet.

Leonardo Flores

Just forget about the prior 400 years of muslim aggression and invasions of Christian lands...

Don Quixote

Saladin was on the right side because he sought to reclaim Jerusalem, a city of immense religious importance to Islam. His actions were not only about restoring faith but also uniting the Muslim world and resisting foreign occupation. Unlike the Crusaders, Saladin showed tolerance and mercy after retaking the city, allowing peaceful coexistence. His efforts were vital for both religious and political sovereignty, making his cause justifiable.

FutureTrunks7

Cap 🤣, the muslims were the ones who gave the opportunity for Christians to live in Jerusalem and practice their religion, the cristians killed every muslim without any mercy, saladin was a great leader with honor who did the action like the prophet did with the pagans in mekka.

FutureTrunks7

Good Luck

Great reaction Munchies, my suggestions: Ben Hur and The 10 Commandments ( Charlton Heston )

Ervin Cortez

Why not believe Saladin? Crusaders came with war

Oleg

20. This movie was ok but...Ridley Scott made this movie which ruins it. Ridley Scott is a known atheist so he really uses his imagination to interpret a lot. So this is his view on it. But the Crusades did happen. They fought for the Church. This movie received a 39% on the rotten tomatoes, and I didn't know know that at first. But it did make 218 million with a budget of 130 million. He ruined Exodus: Gods and Kings, I walked out of the theater because of his view on it. For example, when Moses puts his staff into the river it did turn to blood but.....with Ridley Scotts portrayal of it, it was crocodiles killing themselves to make the water bloody. I walked out of the theater after seeing that. Not to mention the young couple sitting right behind me, the lady didn't know who Moses was and asked who he was. very unfortunate her father didn't instill that knowledge to her.

Saints_Madness

Nemůžete ale rozhodně srovnávat Islám současnosti s tím, který byl ve 12. století, tehdy byla většina muslimských komunit až na několik vyjímek velice kosmopolitní a vyspělá, v tehdejší době byli mnohem vyspělejší i po technologické stránce, než křesťanská Evropa. Samotný Islám byl tou dobou téměř na vrcholu svého zlatého věku a to všechno bylo odkazem Abásovských Chalífů vládnoucích z Bagdádu. Byli to Abásovci, kteří ze svého Chalifátu udělali multikulturní říši otevřenou všem názorům a tolerancím, narozdíl od předcházející dynastie Umajjovců, která téměř 100 let pronásledovala nebo znevýhodňovala všechny nemuslimské ale i muslimské nearaby v rámci Islámského Chalifátu, čímž porušovala Umu, jež jasně ukládá, že všichni muslimové jsou si nehledě na svůj původ rovni a tím si předurčili i svůj vlastní konec. Nakonec utlačovaní povstali pod prapory nové Chalifální dynastie a mezi lety 745-750 z Chorasánu vyrazil brilantní Íránský generál Abu Muslim, v sérii bitev porazil všechny Umajjovské armády, které mu stály v cestě a v roce 750 porazil poslední velkou armádu posledního Umajjovského chalífy Marwana ibn Mohameda, poté byli téměř všichni Umajjovci vyvražděni, pouze hrstka a Abd al Rahmán ibn Muawia přežili. Nenávist k nim byla tak obrovská, že revolucionáři vykopali těla předešlých Umajjovských chalífů, včetně těch největších jako byl Abd al Malik ibn Marwan, Walid ibn Abd al Malik nebo Hišam ibn Abd al Malik, zbičovali jejich těla a poté spálili na popel. Islámský zlatý věk skončil, když v roce 1258 Bagdád dobyli Mongolové, knihovna Bajt al Hikma shořela do základů, Statisíce knih a staletí vědeckých úspěchů se rozpustily v Tigridu nebo taktéž shořely. Poslední Abásovský chalífa vládnoucí z Bagdádu Al Musta'sim a jeho rodina byli popraveni na příkaz Mongolského generála Hülegü khána a to byl konec zlatého věku Islámu, pak započal postupný úpadek především po technologické stránce. Jsem studentem historie se zaměřením na dějiny orientu, zjistit jak se věci vůbec měli od samého začátku není vůbec na škodu a myslím, že by to pomohlo vyřešit spoustu zbytečných předsudků na tohle téma. Film mám každopádně rád odmala a byl zachycen hodně autenticky až na pár drobností samozřejmě, ve skutečnosti byl poměr svěrstem páchaných mezi oběmi stranami vyrovnaný a vztahy mezi křesťany a muslimy se navždy změnily právě po sérii křížových výprav. Co můžu doporučit za film na tohle téma je ještě Arn, taky zajímavý snímek.

Mehrân Faramarzân

The best part of the movie is showing the tactical and strategic forethought in dessert warfare. Stay near your supply and water or you loose.

Kris Homeniuk

Don't forget, There are 2 batman alumni, and multiple Troy.

Kris Homeniuk

Nahhh...., neither Braveheart nor Gladiator were historically accurate. Braveheart Isabella of France who was the princess in the movie Braveheart was only 9 years old in reality. There was no "Prima Noctis". That is just nonsense. The film portrays Wallace as a commoner, but historical records suggest he was a minor noble. The Scots are shown wearing kilts and face paint (wode). Kilts were not worn until centuries later, and the use of wode had fallen out of fashion long before Wallace’s time. The film’s portrayal of Robert the Bruce (later King Robert I of Scotland) betraying Wallace at the Battle of Falkirk is fictional. Bruce did not fight at Falkirk. Like all Hollywood films it is made up nonsense lol Gladiator Maximus Decimus Meridius is a fictional character, don't even get me started on Gladiator's historical accuracy. lol. Thye make it all up.

King Bob

Great personal attack well done you

Imperial Mort

The directors cut is truly the only way to watch this film

The One Eyed King 👁️

Your assumptions about me are wrong. But let's leave it at that. Have a good day.

Digitalversager

I actually agree with everything you said. Good point about killing the priest. Maybe because he develops as a character a bit up to that point? But there's no real indication of that transformation taking place. I guess I always saw the film (as a whole) as presentation of conflicting religious/philosophical dilemmas and Balian kind of thrown in there as a vehicle (not the right word I know...) to explore them. But unfortunately, he's the main character and offers very little complexity. And those dilemmas could have had more depth if he also had more depth. Like I said I haven't seen the film in years, the one amazing thing I remember about it is Baldwin's very short speech to Balian at the chess table. As someone who studied Kant for years it's one of the better depictions of his ethics I've come across in a movie. I think Baldwin is an interesting rendering of Plato's "philosopher king", which could make for another boring "too perfect" character, and yet he comes across far more interesting than Orlando Bloom's character.

Henry N.

The dilemma of having Guy du Lusignan killed in order to marry Sybilla and save the city versus him trying to save his own and his dead wife's souls. It would make more sense if he was shown as an extremely devout religious person, but he is way too tolerant for that as well. He respects everyone, so why would he believe the extremist beliefs of his priest (that he killed) regarding his wife being in hell and all that. He even says a few times that "god doesn't speak to me", before doing nice secular things like digging for water and just helping people. He's such a weird character. It's like they wanted to make him super-devout religious, but without the potential bigotry that comes with choosing a particular religion. So instead they basically made him this super-tolerant AND religious type, which although it might exist in today's world, I find it highly unlikely to find someone like him in crusading times. And I agree that Orlando Bloom is not much of an actor. He is pretty, but he is pretty much the same in all movies. Compare Balian to Legolas of LOTR or whatever his name was in the Pirates movies. It's the same character, same accent and same overblown morality. It makes sense that Balian doesn't want to become like Guy by having him killed, and it makes the end of the movie more interesting than him just taking the throne and holding the city with the entire army, making the final war never happen. I think the movie is pretty good, but the main character is the weakest character. I think the Leper King and Saladin are well acted and the dynamic between them is a lot more interesting than Balian.

phoenix241

I agree that Balian can come across as a bland character, and Orlando Bloom’s performance doesn't bring much depth to the role. He's never been that interesting of actor in my opinion, just a pretty face. I think there's a layer of nuance to consider though. Balian’s decisions—refusing to marry Sybilla and sparing Guy de Lusignan—arguably contribute to the fall of Jerusalem and the deaths of thousands. (I might be misremembering some details - it’s been a while since I’ve seen the film.) But it's the classical argument over whether the ends/consequences justify the means of an action. One could argue that Balian’s steadfast adherence to his moral principles, even in the face of catastrophic consequences, makes him all the more "pure." But I thought that in the complexity of that scene, the argument could certainly be made by someone that his decision was disastrous. It goes back to Baldwin's incredible monologue to Balian "your soul is in your keeping alone"

Henry N.

I like this movie. My only criticism is that Balian is a bit TOO perfect. I get that he is supposed to be the hero of the movie, but give the man a single flaw, please. Everything he does is correct, everything he says is moral, every problem or fight he faces, he wins. Aside from the opening scene where he throws the priest into the fire, yet for a very good reason as he was mocking his dead wife, he only does perfect good boy stuff.

phoenix241

I think the ladies would really enjoy The Last of the Mohicans (1992)....... Action, romance, and legendary music.

Manospondylus

They'll eventually get to Alexander...🤭😆... That first battle was alright tbh.

Manospondylus

Okay, I'll answer your question with your own example. Which is probably the worst example for your position. The Holocaust, planned, organized and ordered by the Nazi government. Carried out by parts of the Wehrmacht, many government departments and the military department of the NSDAP, the Schutzstaffel (SS). The two main goals of the Holocaust were to keep the German armaments industry running with slave labor and the systematic extermination of European Jews and other ethnic groups that the Nazis deemed unworthy. You want to tell me now that the Holocaust had nothing to do with politics? I can't imagine how you want to separate the two. Looking back, most events in history that are considered genocide were politically motivated and ordered and carried out by the respective government/ruling class. You can argue that genocide doesn't necessarily have to be connected to politics. But in reality the two things are usually closely connected. Now I'm going to stick to my own words and stop talking about political issues.

Digitalversager

Be Without Fear in the Face of Your Enemies. Be Brave and Upright that God may Love Thee. Speak the Truth Always, Even if it Leads to Your Death. Safeguard the Helpless. Do no Wrong. That is Your Oath. Rise a Knight !!

Proto Type

The extended cut has the wildling Craster in the beginning. Playing Godfreys brother if I remember right.

Manospondylus

soz, couldnt resist! 😁 if u kno, u know!

Varrus

messiah?

Varrus

"Leper", one with leprosy. Leprosy is a slow chronic bacterial disease that causes serious permanent disfigurement. In moderns times it is easily treated with antibiotics. But in ancient times it was greatly feared. People who had it were often rejected by society and exiled to special enclaves called 'leper colonies'.

Alec Dacyczyn

All good points mate, I appreciate your passion for the topic, tho as someone from a strong Roman Catholic Background (lapsed, well actually I was Declared an apostate by the FrancicIan monks that serviced our community when they learned I was reading the Bhagavad Gita and other religious txts, ) I can't help but wonder of Other Imperialistic expansions done in the name of religion... If I might paraphrase Baliens speech? "We were not alive when the offense was given... Who has claim? All have claim , ... None have claim". Echoed by the last exchange twixt Balien and Saladin, "what is [IT] worth? Nothing. Everything." History is Fun. But also, Ugly. I enjoy your interpretations, looking forward to debating more of them 😁🖖😎. oh, ur point about propaganda? 100% aggree. More people need more awareness of propaganda so as to not fall for it.

Varrus

Yeah yeah! Some PKD munchies would be awesome!

Tyler T

crikey mate, Be calm! No need to start a crusade over some blokes opinion! Seriously tho ur not wrong, modern politcs best left out of a good historical discussion... 🖖🙂

Varrus

I have about 20 tattoos, no quotes I don't think. But yes, it's a brilliant line. It would also be cool to get a tattoo of Baldwin's mask with all of the very small details by a skilled artist.

Henry N.

Omg, for real!? This movie! Ed Norton as the King (uncredited by his choice btw) just learned literally yesterday Dr Julian Bashir plays The Saracen Knight, and lannasters make a cameo? This movie!

Varrus

hear hear! So many great lines... Paraphrased, "when you stand before your almighty, you cannot say' But others commanded me to do thus: This will not suffice" Is my top choice for a tattoo. 2nd choice is the motto? Epitaph? Slogan? Carved in Baliens smithy.

Varrus

It's not my favorite film ever to be honest, I still believe Blade Runner to be Scott's true masterpiece. But Edward Norton (Baldwin's) line to Bloom's character is one of the most powerful I've heard in a film. Very simple but powerful. And cuts right through to the philosophy of the film. Religious or Secular. "Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that." We could all do better (to attempt) to live by that virtue. Also, Norton's performance even with that mask is incredible. And the stiff Orlando Bloom has got to be one of the most boring actors out there. Kind of works for his character in this film but still.

Henry N.

Well, unlike 'Braveheart,' an Islamization of Europe is currently taking place as we speak, so it's important for people to differentiate between propaganda (in this case, this movie) and historical reality.

Paul De'Armond

A temporary halt, after the last of the crusader holding fell Muslim expansion started up again, and went on for another 500 years. Culminating in the 2nd siege of Vienna in 1683. Could make a good case for that being the single most important battle in history. If Vienna had fallen the rest of Europe may well have followed, and all of Western civilization with it.

Ryan Alexander

dont watch arcane its trash its feminist

mascareno

Obi- wan sayeth, "From a certain point of view...". How does one Accurately convey Three Centuries of Religious-political-Ethnic-Economic-Jingoistic-Ergot-Induced Delirium, in a film, three hours or less, and NOT fudge a few details? It. Is. Not. A. Crusade. Story. It is a tale of redemptions told through the eyes of a single French peasant. Redemption of a father, redemption of a grieved widower, redemption of a kins soul, and a sister's mistakes... Seriously, like Every character has a redemption angle they either succeed or fail in... It never claimed to be 100% authentic, it's still fun to watch, I still get goosebumps during the double horse-shoe charge, a real calvary manevuer of the period, the characters are suburb, the actors! You'll never guess who plays the Leper King! My point is, if freakin' 'Braveheart' can win a dozen Oscars, sell a million tartan ancestry.com kits and let the director's casual racism fly for another coupla decades, then why o why does this film get hated on so? Of course, that's just a theory.... (sayitwithmenow)... A film theory!

Varrus

Would you consider watching Arcane?

Htmlheadbody

The movie makes Saladin out to be a nice fellow, but if he were alive today he would be a member of isis.

bill

i have always taken a dim view of Hollywood history. In reality, both sides were the bad guys If you apply Modern Moral Values But my main criticisms are as follows- The portrayal of religious tolerance, particularly by Saladin and Balian, is romanticized. While Saladin was known for his chivalry, his actions were pragmatic and occasionally ruthless Misrepresentation of Historical Figures Saladin: While respected for his leadership, Saladin is depicted as overly idealized in the film, portraying him as entirely noble and without flaws. Guy de Lusignan: Portrayed as purely villainous, he was indeed reckless but more complex than the caricature in the movie. Reynald de Châtillon: The film fairly captures his aggression but exaggerates his barbarity for dramatic effect. Conclusion While Kingdom of Heaven successfully captures the scale and drama of the Crusades, its historical accuracy is sacrificed for the sake of storytelling and modern moral messaging. These issues have led historians to critique it as a heavily fictionalized account of a complex period in history.

King Bob

Every bit of that is true. That being said I don't have a problem with a somewhat negative depiction as the crusaders did some pretty awful things, though nothing that was really out of the ordinary for the time. My only real objection to this film is that its unbalanced in its portrayal. The Cristian side depicted as mostly bad, the Muslims mostly good. While the movie gets alot of the details wrong the basic story it tells is true, and have to give it high points for capturing the look and feel of the period, historically authentic if not always accurate.

Ryan Alexander

Saladin intended to massacre everyone, but the defenders threat to burn down the city and everything inside would have deprived him of his prize, as well as the wealth contained within. That brought him to the negotiating table, where everyone in the city was essentially deemed to be slaves that could be freed by handing over the cities treasury and valuables. This did require a lot of negotiation about prices for men, women, and children. (10, 5, and 2 denar respectively) The price was more then could be paid and around 15000 people were left behind to be enslaved. Far less generous then the films portrayal. Also cant help but roll my eyes at Saladin, respectfully picking up a cross off the floor and setting it back on the table. The real Saladin had the cross on the Dome of the Rock taken down and attached to some horses so it could be dragged through the streets for a few days. All that being said i still enjoy the movie, it just falls into the modern trap of representing the crusades as some great evil instead of a response to 400 years of aggressive Muslim expansion.

Ryan Alexander

There's no bias in stating that Muslims invaded Christian territories for centuries before the First Crusade even commenced; this is a historical fact. Before the Crusades, Christian women and young girls were sold into sexual slavery, men were slaughtered, and boys were kidnapped and indoctrinated into Islam. These actions were occurring well before the launch of the First Crusade. Crusades were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim rape, enslavement and murder.

Paul De'Armond

Well, I think you have your own biases here. In reality, neither side were angels. In the siege we see in the movie, both sides bartered regarding how many slaves Saladin could keep, and it was a matter of money, not morality.

Prometheus

This movie, while decent, is a travesty of historical storytelling, that omits the grim reality of nearly three centuries of Christian suffering at the hands of Muslim invaders. It conveniently forgets to mention the widespread enslavement of Christians, the rape of women and children, and the brutal subjugation for centuries that set the stage for the Crusades. Instead, it paints a picture of Muslims as benevolent philosophers and Christians as barbaric aggressors, completely whitewashing the historical narrative. This movie not only misrepresents the era but also sanitizes history to fit a modern, sanitized narrative. It's less a window into the past and more a mirror reflecting anti-european biases, making it an educational disaster wrapped in epic cinema.

Paul De'Armond

The director's cut is long but better in my view.

Steven Roy

This is the threatrical version and Director's cut is quite a bit longer with 3 additional storylines.

Matthew Finn

Come on dude... Braveheart MAYBE, but Gladiator no

Brett Norman

Yes but like Braveheart and Gladiator, you should TRY to include some historical accuracy otherwise you might aswell just write a completely different story.

Gadvance

"If anything good came from the Crusades" Blunting Muslim expansion into Europe sounds pretty good no? lol

Manospondylus

I'm sorry, it wasn't intentional.😉

Digitalversager

No, but I don't think it has any place here. This is a place for entertainment and not a political forum. I come here to switch off and relax a bit. If I want to find out something about politics, I watch/read the news.

Digitalversager

Your talk about politics bores me, lol

Imperial Mort

These political discussions that have been cropping up again and again lately are really starting to get annoying.

Digitalversager

I really like this movie, unfortunately it doesn't get the recognition it deserves. I always find the relationship between Saladin and the King of Jerusalem interesting. This natural kind of respect and mutual understanding. If we really had leaders like that, we would probably have fewer wars in the world. The make-up on the princess's hand is called a henna tattoo. Your analysis at the end was correct. Guy de Lusignan lived among great and respected men. He was jealous and wanted to make a name for himself through war. That was a great reaction ladies!💜 If you want to see more historical/adventure movies, I recommend Robin Hood (2010) with Russell Crowe. The movie is a somewhat more realistic telling of the legend of Robin Hood.

Digitalversager

Yes, because it is a MOVIE and Not a Documentary or Biography... It is fictional work, inspired by real events...

Daniel

The Crusades were a very violent time, about 200 years of fighting between the Latin Church in Europe and the Muslims of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas. I am no historian, but basically the Christians of Europe wanted the land where Jesus was said to be born. Sure, there were other factors, like money, but I think it was mostly about religion. The problem is three different religions claim the area as holy land. As you can see on the news, the fight still goes on. This will sound like something out of a Monty Python movie, but there was actually a Children's Crusade, in which thousands of children, 12-18, maybe even some younger ones, marched to Jerusalem to retake the Holy Land. Spoilers. It did not go so well. If anything good came from The Crusades, the Europeans learned a lot from the Arabs and were introduced to new things, like the compass, the astrolab, Arabic numerals, cotton clothes, and crops like rice and sugarcane. There's a lot of big stars in this movie, but EVA GREEN plays the eventual queen. You know I try to be a serious, well-read and mature person, but any time I see EVA GREEN, my brain goes....HUBBA HUBBA. She's in many movies, but I really liked her in CASINO ROYALE.

Steven Roy

Hella that was Jaime Lannister aka King Slayer in Game of Thrones at 15:05

Manospondylus

Or the mass murder and Genocide against the Jews .STOP talking Bullshit people do NOT watch these reactions for you to spew bile. Shut it.

Scotty Dawg

The middle east is always fought over by people who are prepared to kill for there religion or for oil, today its the Jews genociding and ethnic cleansing the Palestinians with American backing and weapons.

Imperial Mort

Piranther

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Chase

Cool - this is a great movie that doesn't get a lot of attention or reactions.

Michael Gaskins

Hella and Tien, Fun Fact: The actor who plays King Baldwin “the leper king” is the actor from Fight Club who plays the Narrator (Edward Norton).

Chase

Epic

Judd Osborne