Attack on Titan 4x15
Added 2024-05-13 11:40:08 +0000 UTCSorry fo rbeing a bit late, had to organise Mother's Day. =) Will perhaps not be able to get up Vinland this week, it is reall yhot in my flat and the suit does not make it any cooler either :D But AoT 4x16 will be out later today! All the best! =)
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Okay so I’m going to do something crazy and “defend” (not really) Xavier’s wife who killed her son and herself. Obviously a cruel act, and I’m not saying it’s okay, but I also think it was mercy. To kill your own child is something so extreme, that I think to believe it was simply out of hate for another race is ignorant to what she was really going through. In my opinion, it wasn’t that she suddenly hated her son for being Eldian. I think she killed him because she loved him and her husband despite the earth-shattering revelation that people she loved and considered to be human turned out to be Eldian. People she hated/was taught to hate, those are two extreme emotions suddenly colliding. She could have just reported Xavier to spite him, but then what becomes of her child? At best, it gets dropped off to an orphanage in the internment zone like Annie was. Realistically, her child may have become a Pure Titan on Paradis, because the boy’s existence was illegal. And we learned from Reiner’s POS father that Marleyans can be hanged for having relations with Eldians. I’m obviously not excusing filicide, but, in my opinion, that Marleyan woman was a victim of the system that oppressed Eldians as well. I don’t think what she did was unrealistic given what she knew and what she had to face.
My Toasty Toast
2024-06-20 12:37:07 +0000 UTCIf you can't understand or empathise with "there's no greater salvation then never being born in this world" then you've clearly never been suicidal. Preventing more suffering than necessary is something that should be worked towards. For instance, those unable to provide a safe or healthy life for their kids should not have kids. The world is cruel and life is full of suffering already, so why bring someone into the world that will have a worse life from the get go? Same for having kids with severe deformations or conditions - we can test for those things and if the child will have such issues, they should be aborted. Choosing to bring them into the world like that is inherently selfish. They aren't aware of their own existence and therefore will not miss what "could have been". What good does it do to say "Well they might have wanted to live or could have done good for the world" when the far higher likelihood is that they'll struggle and be miserable or in pain? No one is aware of when they're dead because they no longer exist, and therefore can't feel or think anything about it. Just as you couldn't regret not being born because you wouldn't have existed in the first place. It seems to me that most people can't distance themselves from their present emotions or thoughts enough to realise that. What did you think or feel before you were born/created? Nothing, because you didn't exist. You can't feel sad or happy or regret things, you can't even be sad that you never got to live or experience life because you never existed.
Hippopi
2024-05-15 16:58:53 +0000 UTCOld Mate Hatred saying "there's no greater salvation than never being born to this world" spits in the face of Eren from previous seasons. Eren has said multiple times that being born to this world was enough to make you worthy - that people deserved freedom and happiness just for existing. Old Mate Hatred is saying that Eldian's existence is a mistake. What a horrifying 180° turn of philosophy. Really reinforces what you said about "this isn't Eren anymore" and giving him his new name.
Sam Carlson
2024-05-14 23:08:01 +0000 UTCAt 6:12 in terms of eldia using normal titans they often did as the founding titan can turn any eldian into a mindless titan as it pleases making them a effective army, also if you notice that book is the same story that is shown in the season 2 ending credits
Jamie Brown
2024-05-14 11:23:09 +0000 UTCif zeke can fuck up levi and just barely survive he can heal, levi can't
HAL
2024-05-14 04:30:41 +0000 UTCthe problem is the ethics of not being born goes into metaphysical philosophical considerations that are impossible to properly answer so they're hard to evaluate
HAL
2024-05-14 04:26:49 +0000 UTCby actual history hsi grandfather meant the fake one he is pretending is the actual one - noone knows what was really the actual one
HAL
2024-05-14 00:17:08 +0000 UTCCool detail, even if it's coincidental.
Corey Hughes
2024-05-13 19:30:54 +0000 UTCIn season 3 episode 21, Kruger also says that he heard that Ymir “touched something”.
skitalks
2024-05-13 18:20:15 +0000 UTCI think one of the most interesting moral questions in this episode is the question of the morality of Zeke and Tom's euthenization plan. Utilitarians might say that the suffering that will be caused by titans will eclipse the suffering of those parents unable to have children and the anguish of an entire bloodline disappearing slowly from the earth. I think one of the problems that I have even on a purely utilitarian outlook is that titans do not just happen. The titans that terrorized the walls for the last hundred years were intentionally created by Marley. Furthermore it is very clear that military might is going to eclipse the power of titans in the world. People will still cause genocides without titans. In some sense titans are horrifying but they are being used as weapons, and it isn't the weapon's fault that it is being sent at innocent people. (obviously I'm skipping a lot of nuance). Zeke's plan only removes a weapon from the world, the failing was always human to begin with. The real problem has always been: Hurt people hurt people who hurt people who hurt people...
Anna Kyruin
2024-05-13 17:15:51 +0000 UTCNow that I think on it, did Grisha know that Zeke would only have 13 years? I'm pretty sure when the Owl told him shifters only have 13 years is the first time he learnt that. He says in this episode "this is a chance that will only come around once a century", so I think he was working under the impression that being a warrior would be a life-long thing. I guess this was the first iteration of the Warrior program, so the average Eldian in Libero wasn't aware of the time limit - whereas future candidates like Falco are aware since he mentioned it to Reiner.
Vincent
2024-05-13 16:22:44 +0000 UTCHe didn’t nuke himself, he stabbed zeke cause he was regenerating and zeke detonated the thunder spear
Killua’s Mom
2024-05-13 16:07:59 +0000 UTCOne other very interesting detail to point out in this episode-- you know how after eating Ksaver, Zeke started wearing Ksaver's glasses in homage to him, even though Zeke likely wasn't vision-impaired? If you think back to the Warhammer Titan, its human wielder was a woman wearing a ponytail-- and after he ate her and came back, *Eren started wearing his hair in a ponytail.* It's possible this is a pattern, a manner in which inheriting some of the memories of the titan-holder before you influences your own habits.
BlastYoBoots
2024-05-13 15:38:47 +0000 UTCWhat's also interesting to me is that Zeke's viewpoint directly conflicts with Carla's. "Every person is special because they are born into this world" vs "It would be better to never have been born".
FullHeart
2024-05-13 15:32:16 +0000 UTChe "Vow renouncing War" is the ideology of King Fritz that you're inherent once you have the Founding Titan as a Royal blood. It basically overrides your goals and believes as a person to that which the King had. And the king's Ideology was to never Attack anyone and have this thinking of "We are the evil in this world and deserve the Suffering put onto us by the titans" Also at 56:08, isn't that a bit agenst the ideology Eren had from his mother that he adopted. "Because i was Born in this World"?
Marc Schuster
2024-05-13 14:59:45 +0000 UTCAt 30:19 in your video, when Zeke is saying "even when I'm a titan, i'll remember you"-- you may have understood but just to clarify, Zeke is assuming (possibly correctly!) from what he's heard that the Marleyans are CLOSING IN ON THE RESTORATIONISTS and about to catch them. He's assuming that his father and mother, and himself by association, are about to be rounded up for treason and sent to the island as Pure Titans as punishment; that's why he was saying goodbye to Ksaver, and why he warned his parents in the prior scene. He thought it was too late and the restorationists, Zeke and his parents and grandparents included (by association), would all be caught, and told Ksaver the truth because Ksaver said he never believed in fighting for Marley in the first place (something so heretical to say as a Warrior that when Ksaver first said so Zeke darted his glance around in a panic to check if anyone was listening) and Zeke still wanted to say goodbye and thank him. Ksaver was following Zeke's logic -- assuming (again, probably correctly!) that the restorationists were about to be caught-- and giving Zeke a way out for him and the grandparents Zeke cared about most to be spared, even though Ksaver was sobbing because he knew that he was asking Zeke to do something incredibly cruel, all for Zeke's own sake.
BlastYoBoots
2024-05-13 14:53:58 +0000 UTCI think you know what the vow renouncing war is but perhaps forgot that’s what it was called; made by Karl Fritz, it’s the reason that Uri and Frieda (and anyone of the royal bloodline) were unable to kill all the titans - despite their intent to do exactly that- upon inheriting the Founding Titan. According to Willy Tybur, it’s also the reason all the titans in the walls and pure titans have not been able to be controlled and used in acts of war. Essentially, it restricted royal bloodline inheritors of the Founding Titan who succeeded Karl Fritz to non violent use of the Founding Titan - such as creating the walls via hardening, rewriting memories, changing how their bodies work to navigate a plague, etc. I also think you know this but I’ll remind you just incase; while Eren isn’t bound by the vow renouncing war, he can’t use the Founding Titan’s power on his own as he’s not of royal blood, which is why he was concerned for Historia’s safety if he were to publicly share the revelation he had on the conditions that allowed him to freely use the Founding Titan’s power at the end of season 2.
Russell Gambardella
2024-05-13 14:43:18 +0000 UTCI believe Zeke's ideology is called anti-natalism.
I REMAIN Teague
2024-05-13 13:52:18 +0000 UTCYeah, I think I use it too loosely sometimes. For me, religious does not mean you ascribe to a religious institution, but belief in a certain value system. It is not a "usual" understanding though :D
M U
2024-05-13 13:41:17 +0000 UTCSo, as someone who learned a lot about religion, and adjacent topics. I think the Word "belief" would be a better fit than religion in the context you were describing. Religion itsself is a set of rules and ideals. Belief is the interpretation of the rules. That is why there are so many who would say there are Christians, but almost everyone believes in slightly different things.
Florian Krause
2024-05-13 13:14:57 +0000 UTCOver a one hour video? Now we are talking!
Krul
2024-05-13 12:32:37 +0000 UTC
