Frieren 1x26
Added 2024-03-10 21:15:27 +0000 UTCOne of the best yet! =)
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Well said! I agree that Ubel being self taught/learning through her own observations is good evidence for what we’ve been getting at. I wouldn’t be surprised if she actually had zero “traditional” magic education from others/other sources and learned everything from scratch herself. Somewhat similar to how demons devote their lives to learning magic on their own and honing it.
Russell Gambardella
2024-03-13 16:24:04 +0000 UTCWith Ubel's magic I think the reason other mages can't do what she can is because fundamentally no matter how much they can imagine cutting cloth for instance on some level they all understand there is magical limitations and they cant imagine overcoming ALL limitations. They believe that the system has rules. Ubel thinks on an entirely different system. She was self taught and learns by observing. She doesn't believe in rules like "you cant cut cloth if its enchanted" because they were only taught to her later. It really seems to imply that in learning to understand magic the education systems have created boundaries for themselves and the people they teach that don't actually exist. It makes you question what other limitations have been stated to be true but aren't, and perhaps the moment you imagine there are limitations you become truly bound by them. Maybe they teach it that way because they dont really understand it themselves; maybe they teach it that way because it's just easier to explain that way. Whatever the reason, it seems the mages are missing the true understanding of what they're doing. An example could be the barrier that Frieren shattered a few episodes. It was stated no one could break it, possibly not even Serie. In a sort of backwards thinking you could also state that the reason the barrier couldnt be broken was because no one believed it could be broken. Frieren did though, and so she was able to.
FullHeart
2024-03-13 01:36:37 +0000 UTCÜbel is such an intriguing character for a couple of reasons. First, the way she achieves a true understanding of a concept via intuition is so well conveyed. It's almost as if she was able to preserve her child-like brain functionality without being tainted by environmentally (non-self) imposed learned constructs. While all adults still retain aspects of that functionality - say, instinctively moving your body to accomplish an action without conscious thought - it seems Übel can apply her unique cognition to nearly anything, which is both terrifying and amazing. The next reason is how unexpectedly massive of a role she could potentially play in the story. We've been told by Graf Granat that demon magic (in reference to the 7 Sages of Destruction) is "beyond human knowledge and reason." However, while this may be true for some demon magic, we've already seen this isn't true in the case of Qual's Zoltraak. While it took many minds and years of research, humanity did reproduce Zoltraak. Frieren has also mentioned humanity is limited in its spell for flight, as they are mimicking demonkind's use of it without understanding the principles behind it, so they can't make large objects fly despite being able to fly for 40 years. In other words, humanity's magic seems to have success and failure in understanding magical concepts. Perhaps humanity's magic theory isn't fundamentally different from demonkind's as we've been led to believe. It may only be an based on an incomplete understanding and make assumptions that aren't true for all cases; even with what it has been able to accomplish (it's "successes"), it may unknowingly be taught and used as an instrument that gives very good approximations. In the latter case (I want to save an example of the former for later, which I think you'll like), we could metaphorically think demonkind magic is played through a violin while humankind plays a piano. A piano could play the same notes as a violin, and if we liken that as the single requirement of reproducing Zoltraak, they'd have success. However, that doesn't change the fact that a piano's notes are discrete, while a violin's is more continuous due to it's string-like/wave nature. If we add continuity as a requirement for authentically reproducing the demon spell for flight, humanity would fail and only be able to mimic it, lacking ability and adaptability. If only there was a human that didn't learn and use magic in the traditional way, we'd have more information on what's possible...Übel! Whenever someone tries to quantify a phenomenon into a system, they risk making an assumption that isn't true for all cases and thus limits their potential to understand. Consider Newtonian Mechanics :). Newton's equations of motion seem to accurately predict the relationship between velocity, distance, and time. In our daily lives nothing seems to contradict this, so did we discover "truth?" Unfortunately not as it assumes the concepts of distance, time, and mass are absolute (an inertial frame, undergoing zero acceleration). It is a very accurate approximation for low speeds (relative to the speed of light) for motions we daily experience, but it becomes apparent these laws don't hold as you get closer to the speed of light. The speed of light being constant for all reference frames, even moving ones, led us to discovering time dilation, length contraction, etc. and accounted for these factors (that are so minuscule at low velocities) with new laws of motion in Special Relativity. So now, surely we discovered "truth?" Again, no, it was realized that all of these laws are only very good approximations for weak gravitational fields, as it assumes space-time is flat and gravity isn't a factor. So finally we have the theory of General Relativity which accounts for this. There may still be an unknown factor or case where this breaks down, it remains to be seen. Anyway, my point is if Übel is able to learn a concept, she does so in a way that omits the risk of being caught up in a misconception, derivative, or approximation. The implications of this could be massive. WHAT IF ÜBEL COULD LEARN MAGIC THOUGHT TO BE EXCLUSIVE TO DEMONS? We already know she's extremely dangerous without it, and she'd be an insanely powerful threat with it. It could also be taken in a different direction. Would she be able (and willing) to integrate it for humanity in a way they could comprehend? Would it be better or worse for humanity to have a deeper understanding of magic? On a side note, I find it extremely cool and fitting for her character that she can also learn magic via empathizing with someone. A very cool idea and believable leap in logic I've never seen done before. I could definitely see her empathizing with a powerful demon...so... Sorry for the long post, hope you enjoyed reading and thanks for taking the time to read it!
Russell Gambardella
2024-03-11 18:20:32 +0000 UTCFrieren has so many interesting side characters that I haven't seen for a long time. Of course Übel is at the top of the list for me. Übel's ability to empathize with others is probably her greatest strength (plus her special way of imagining) . My belief is that to really understand someone else 100% you have to become that person yourself. And Übel is someone who manages to get pretty close to that. Not what normal people would call understanding, she has a different point of view to understand this. Then there is her reckless behavior of putting her own life on the line in order to be able to empathize with another person even better and faster. Not everyone can subordinate their own life to something like that. Let's think back to when she fought against her clone. Did she give Land her bottle because she could empathize with him enough to know that he would come to her aid? Or did she create such a dangerous situation to get another piece of the puzzle to empathize with him? That she only wanted to turn an uncertainty into a certainty. That she would have achieved her goal regardless of whether she died in the process. Somehow I have the feeling that the 2nd possibility is the most likely. Then her strong imagination that clothes and hair can be cut. Is it her own belief or is this one of her earliest results of empathizing with someone else, namely her older sister? I would really say that empathizing with others is more important to Übel than her own life. That makes me wonder what Übel's driving force as a character really is. Maybe it's "she has realized that she is missing something that others have" or "she has realized that her way of thinking is very different from others". That it is her search for herself to understand herself better. Maybe in the end it's something very simple. Let's also imagine if she manages to empathize with land. This would give her the ability to empathize with others even better. Instead of creating situations where her survival is 50:50, she could use what she has learned to gain a much deeper understanding of others through situations in which she would definitely die. How quickly Übel would become stronger and stronger. Edit: Sorry for the wall of text. Before I realized it, there was already so much. I could write more about other things in the episode, but I think I'll leave it be. Otherwise it'll be too much. In any case, good reaction video and analysis as always.
Nameless
2024-03-11 16:13:27 +0000 UTCThe entire battle between Frieren's clone and Frieren with Fern came out great from every angle. For example, in the previous episode, in the first moments of the clash, Frieren and clone Friren aimed their staffs at each other without firing, very quickly creating small shields in the way of potential shot trajectories. As you mentioned, we've been shown a lot of powerful spells that Frieren doesn't usually use against opponents weaker than herself. Another little detail — clone Frieren uses the original human-killing Qual's Zoltraak , not new one — which was later altered by Frieren and human mages against demons. And the way Frieren clone tries to shoot Fern, but get hit first because faster caster is cool as well :) And at the end of the fight we were shown a power, it seems, that the elf hasn't used since the war with the Demon King, some mysterious sorcery that is not recognizable as magic. May be she used this spell in the battle against the Demon King himself, beacuse it leaves her completely vulnerable with the trade off being extremely powerful, so she might have need help of great party to protect her while casting 🤔 This “height of magic” from Frieren seems to may be similar to a curse, alternative magic like goddess magic or demons curses, since it can't be detected via mana detection and good prepared mage like Fern can’t understand what is happening. But it is just guess Makes me laugh that Ubel's clone always has her sights on Land and always binding him. Our poor guy found himself a very pushy stalker girl, whether in the flesh or in clone form. Also, I laughed out hell because at the end you can see not only Frieren stuck in mimic, but there are two already dead mimics at background of treasure room, so she opened three mimics in the row :D Frieren definitely cleared, as exceptional dungeon explorer, 100% bonus objectives :) Thank you for reaction!
Aidos Smagulov
2024-03-11 07:19:44 +0000 UTCFrieren really is a Reality Bender of the highest class. I am 100% sure she can’t go back in time because there it is impossible. Fake Frieren looked at Fern with the eyes of Übel; pure death and emptiness. In what shape did the Demon King had her to make her use that final spell of hers? Also Übel herself is one of if not the biggest threat to everyone. WE HAVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER!!! Finally, yes! Someone noticed the black hole and how absolutely bonkers it is as an attack that anyone can produce with enough mana. Kinda feels like an outwards version of Aizen’s Hado 90 “Black Coffin” which was stated to be functionally a black hole. Thank you for your effort and analysis of both science and psychology, you’re the best 😊
Abi Baez
2024-03-10 23:00:39 +0000 UTC
