Episode 16: Pitch accent for negative i-adjectives
Added 2021-12-04 11:36:51 +0000 UTCBibliography
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Good evening, Patrons!
In this lesson, which is a complete remake of the original lesson 16, we learn about pitch accent in the negative forms of i-adjectives. Please note that the main listening section of this lesson comes towards the end of the lesson; the first two-thirds or so explain the rules, while the last third demonstrates and reiterates them.
If anyone has any questions or concerns with regard to this post, feel free to let me know below. Thank you all very much for your continued support, and I look forward to speaking with you again soon!
Best from Beppu,
Dōgen
Comments
Hi, Pablo! This can often happen, yes, it depends on what the speaker is trying to mention. This is an example of what I talk about in lesson 6.3 on spectrographs vs binary pitch accent graphics (https://www.patreon.com/posts/japanese-episode-35173952). I hope this helps! Dōgen
Dogen
2022-12-21 00:12:01 +0000 UTCHi Dogen! Loved this video. I feel like the pitch of な in for example うまくなる raises lower than the one in うまくない. Does this actually happen or is it just my impression? I get the feeling that the accent is softer
Pablo Zaid
2022-12-17 18:26:36 +0000 UTCIt's hard to say clearly “yes, ない is actually its own word and not a suffix” as that could lead to confusion elsewhere, but I think for specifically what you’re talking about here it’s OK to think about it this way.
Dogen
2022-09-28 08:52:00 +0000 UTCThis is the first instance I’ve learned about where the pitch accent in a single “word” can have multiple down steps. (uMAkuNAi). Does that mean that ない is actually its own word and not a suffix? (Like “deliciously + it does not exist”). ない is weird.
Luke Winikates
2022-08-13 00:14:48 +0000 UTCThanks Dogen
Claes Wächtler
2022-03-03 17:36:28 +0000 UTCHi, Libo. JP here, Dōgen's business partner. I'm helping manage some of the messages here on Patreon. I ran your question by Dōgen, and he said to check the newest version of the NHK Accent Dictionary, appendix 1, on page 245 (toward the bottom of the page). I hope this helps! — JP
Dogen
2022-03-03 08:40:49 +0000 UTCI won't be doing the contrast of heiban and downstep adjectives, because I no longer think this is the best way to talk about this. I will be doing the drill of the common heiban adjectives and their conjugations, but I want to update some additional phonetics lessons before we get to that, so it will be a couple months before this gets released.
Dogen
2022-03-03 08:31:26 +0000 UTCYou mention there are other pronunciations for the negative form which are not yet standard. Do you have some sources for those so I can explore a bit on my own?
Libo Zeng
2021-12-29 22:35:53 +0000 UTCWhen are you planning to make the one after #13 heiban adjectives, where you contrast the heiban and downstep adjectives more and also drill the 20 other heiban adjectives?
Claes Wächtler
2021-12-06 20:35:34 +0000 UTC
