Episode 15: Pitch accent for the 'sa' form of na-adjectives
Added 2017-03-24 15:29:58 +0000 UTCBibliography
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Good evening, Patrons!
In this episode I talk about the pitch-accent patterns for the 'sa' form of na-adjectives, covering two important rules. If you have any questions or concerns don't hesitate to leave a comment below!
As always, thank you very much for the continued support. Hope you enjoy the lesson!
Dōgen
Comments
Hi Kusterdu! Excellent catch! I recently changed the graphic to reflect the more traditional pronunciation that I talk about in the lesson 12 remake, but it seems that I forgot to update the recording as well. That said, I've actually learned that for the さ form in particular, the traditional pronunciation is more mainstream and 'correct', (which I talk about the newer version of lesson 12 out either tomorrow or the next day), so what I've done is updated (updating now) the above lesson with the original 'traditional pronunciation (Umasa)' graphic to match my pronunciation. Thanks again for pointing this out, and sorry for the confusion. If you have any questions about this feel free to let me know!
Dogen
2021-05-14 04:00:49 +0000 UTCHi Dogen! It's around 4:52 in the video. I could be wrong, but your pronunciation sounded to me like the traditional pronunciation, while the graphic shows the contemporary pronunciation with the accent on the "ま" Thanks!
kusterdu
2021-05-13 18:07:19 +0000 UTCHi Kusterdu! Do you mind telling me about where I said it in the video? I most likely did say it this way, as that is the traditional pronunciation of the さ form of downstep い adjectives, as I will be talking about in detail in the upcoming lesson 12 remake (due out in less than a week). Please note that I also talk about the traditional pronunciation of the さ form of downstep い adjectives in the post for the most recent lesson 12 remake, which I decided to take offline as until the newer, more comprehensive version is out. If you have any questions let me know. Cheers!
Dogen
2021-05-12 07:04:50 +0000 UTCWhen you said うまさ, it sounded like you were putting the accent on the う rather than the ま. Am I imagining that?
kusterdu
2021-05-11 16:09:45 +0000 UTCHard to say without going into a long discussion on why there are i-adjectives and na-adjectives to begin with! Thank you for your support!
Dogen
2020-09-09 12:22:03 +0000 UTCHI, thank you for the lessons. I know it's not phonetics but now I can't help but wonder why is there a difference in usage of the sa form between I and na adjectives…
Isabel Sáenz
2020-09-09 10:07:49 +0000 UTCHi Walt. Both are correct, but it is my understanding that 匂い is more neutral while 臭い usually indicates a foul odor.
Dogen
2018-07-06 03:11:04 +0000 UTCHi. I know this is not a kanji course, but just for the record, which should be the correct kanji for the word におい? 匂い or 臭い?
Walt Poor
2018-07-05 22:49:54 +0000 UTCHi Chase. There are unique rules for sentence final particles, which I intend on covering in the upcoming advanced pitch-accent lessons. If you'd like to learn more now they are listed in the 新明解日本語アクセント辞典! Apologies for the delay!
Dogen
2018-03-08 04:18:14 +0000 UTCI'm wondering what the difference between this さ and the sentence final particle さ? Are there any good rules for sentence final particles like よ、ね、なあ、かな, etc.?
Chase Dahl
2018-03-06 03:54:34 +0000 UTCHi Helder. Interesting question. I've actually asked several different native speakers and they all gave me different answers, as 十分さ comes up so rarely in conversation that speakers will simply fall back on their own personal, instincts, rather than memory. Most native speakers will frown initially, as it's similar to asking a native English speaker the correct pronunciation of 'enoughness'. Does this answer your question? Thank you for the support!
Dogen
2018-01-11 08:05:11 +0000 UTCOut of curiosity, do Japanese people know how to pronounce words like 十分さ properly? (as it is not a common word). Or do they often pronounce it the wrong way when trying to say it?
Helder Servio
2018-01-10 22:55:38 +0000 UTCVideo is still up ^^
Dogen
2017-03-26 14:37:12 +0000 UTCNailed it!
Dogen
2017-03-26 14:36:47 +0000 UTCIt's short, but it was "enoughness"
Admiral Captain Fabulous
2017-03-25 14:10:28 +0000 UTCToo bad I have to work during the stream orz
Jake McMahel
2017-03-25 06:02:36 +0000 UTC
