Re: The Trouble With The Electoral College - Cities, Metro Areas, Elections and The United States

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Funny -- been saying this myself for a few years. Thanks for posting.

Alexander

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Fullmetal Ifrit

Leave the EC alone.

Spooky Boo Rhodes

lol one of my teachers thinks the same

NamesCrazy

Mmm.. sounds like a bugged system... But I'm not from U.S., so can't judge.

Kravenar Games

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Asanbaev Ruslan

Check out some of his earlier videos about first past the post.

Angela Albrecht

Long time watcher/listener, first time commenter...perhaps I missed it, but what is your proposed alternative? You say get rid of the Electoral College, but wouldn't mandating the electoral votes of each state go to the majority winner of votes rectify your primary concern? If that's hat you mean by getting rid of the electoral college, I could get behind that. If you mean scrapping the system of how electoral votes are calculated per state, I would push back. I think the system is a reasonable compromise. those states that have a large population have far more influence, relative to their population but the inclusion of +2 electoral votes (for the Senators) allows the sparsely populated states more influence than they would have by straight majority vote.

Zak

Long time watcher/listener, first time commenter...perhaps I missed it, but what is your proposed alternative? You say get rid of the Electoral College, but wouldn't mandating the electoral votes of each state go to the majority winner of votes rectify your primary concern? If that's hat you mean by getting rid of the electoral college, I could get behind that. If you mean scrapping the system of how electoral votes are calculated per state, I would push back. I think the system is a reasonable compromise. those states that have a large population have far more influence, relative to their population but the inclusion of +2 electoral votes (for the Senators) allows the sparsely populated states more influence than they would have by straight majority vote.

Zak

Excellent video, shame that it got lumped into /r/PoliticalVideos. Seems like the combination of classic CGP Grey + the current zeitgeist about the political process could have really launched it to the frontpage if it could have been posted there

imJordanClarke

Grey sounds especially exasperated with humanity (or at least the mechanisms that have been crafted by humanity) in this video. Correct me if I'm wrong but essentially this is a scenario where a minority has the final decision and it is masqueraded as a democracy.

Daniel Tan

Bill away Grey... it's all good. I'm here to support interesting independent original content creators of quality. All. Boxes. Ticked.

Tim Johns

I chose to support you on Patreon using your internet cup of coffee logic. You made a video for which I would gladly email you a cup of coffee for.

Ant Lefebvre

I'm totally fine with more than one a month. have at it! It may be unfounded, but I always thought that voting the electors in as a go-between was so they could override the people's choice in case of some unusual event or new info -- ie. a new development between the time Nov to Jan (between election outcome and the oath of office). as in, it builds in a failsafe in case (partial list of many possible) when, between Nov-Jan: - a major crime/fraud (or something) is committed by the president elect (not known at time of election, or happening afterward but before Jan) - president elect and the VP elect die (or become incapacitated) - president elect found to be in cahoots with a foreign enemy which the electorate didn't know about at time of election ...there are unlimited unforeseen scenarios one could imagine. so, they wanted a stop-gap allowing the electors to be technically independent of the obligation to vote for the state's choice, but ~99% of the time (hopefully) they wouldn't need to change their vote. I know these scenarios sound far-fetched but when you're designing a system to last 1000+ years, you need to think about and try to mitigate for any unusual scenarios. right? ... or maybe I made all that up(?) anyway, that's just what I surmise was the thinking behind that system design choice.

Shaun Brown

I support more than one video a month and choose to support, because I want you to make more than one video a month. I am seriously torn on the Election College. I feel that books can be written on its benefits and negatives. I have had several nerd conversations in the last month about it and look forward to your analysis and maybe a podcast.

JMonroe

What is not mentioned is the hypothesis by the founding fathers (as a means of checks and balances) is that by letting insiders -- who know how hard it is to actually govern -- decide if the candidate is qualified to actually "fly the plane" and prevent a demagogue from taking power solely by manipulating the emotional will of the uninformed, literally-ignorant-of-facts voters "in theory" taking down functional government and the electoral college with it. The US is a republic, not a direct democracy. It's the states, not the individual citizens considered as one electing body via popular vote, which chooses the EC. Most every other developed country has a parliamentary system which has an air-gap to not allow direct election of the top office, the parties in power do the selection -- for the same reason of electing a qualified person regardless of their ideology. I don't care if you've flown 1st class all your life and you think you'd "be the BEST pilot EVAR" -- if you have ZERO governmental chops you should NOT be in office. Governance is a skill just as being a pilot or surgeon or lawyer or programmer. It is not for the amateur at the top. Oh, and term limits? Lobbyists and bureaucrats don't have term limits, they'd rise to have more power over the elected offices. The top office is NOT an entry level position. The EC is -- in theory -- the safety valve.

lohphat

I like how you alluded to the possibility that the electors could decide to elect Hillary next month. I hope even this possibility is enough to motivate Trump supporters into action on this issue. Yeah, your candidate would have lost based on the popular vote without the electoral college, but the electoral college does not at all ensure that outcome. It needs to go. Also, it would be great if you linked to this in your electoral college videos, or even did an entirely separate video on it as a more plausible way of nullifying the electoral college: <a href="http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/</a>

Scott Santens

Does grey charge for these quicker turnaround videos? I don't mind if he does, just curious.

TisGood

I normally like your videos for their clarity, but to be honest, this one confused me. I think the problem is that I don't understand the argument you are pushing back against. Is it that people who like the electoral college think it protects a rural minority against an urban majority, or is it that the president should win a majority of states, because...that would be good, somehow? Because I don't understand the arguments you are countering, I think I'm not really following the points you are making. I understand the bit at the end, about how the electoral college is dangerous because the electors can just ignore the votes and do whatever they want, but it seems very tangential to the first half of the video.

Ben Wilcox