Early version of new vid!
Added 2023-02-02 22:11:56 +0000 UTCI was going to take a longer break from making videos but then I wrote this by accident. I know I said the next video was going to be about predator, but then this topic grabbed me
Just audio for now. All feedback very welcome! Tate is utterly awful but I go easy on him at the top of the video to not scare off any of his fans who wander through by accident. A few additions to come, in addition to the visuals
Thanks folks!
Comments
Dan Olson's "Line Goes Up" digs reasonably deep into the drivers of the appetite for crypto-based Ponzi. Of course, Dan & Shaun being associates, you may already have seen it. In case you have not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g
Tom
2023-02-23 03:24:44 +0000 UTCI only just watched the most recent stream VOD. Really loved the "Director's Commentary", hope to see more of that for future videos!
JayCyrZak
2023-02-16 21:33:09 +0000 UTCThe full release of this video seems to be rather segmented, and each segment has a distinct feel.
Valium Sadfemme McGirlBoss
2023-02-13 15:34:55 +0000 UTCI love it, Shaun. I might touch on the fact that at this point, masculinity and femininity are somewhat circularly defined. At this point, I'm not sure it's fair to say any particular quality is a masc or fem trait in itself. Certain qualities are historically associated with certain genders, and I think a big part of masculinity or femininity or androgyny or anything else now is how one relates to and incorporates -- or rejects -- societal expectations.
Azalea Jane
2023-02-06 00:19:05 +0000 UTCVery very minor point, but at 17:04 at first "Thebes" sounds like "thieves" lol
aismallard
2023-02-04 04:40:11 +0000 UTCHad another listen and I have one more thing to add - if I were to define positive masculinity, I would say that it is attitudes and behaviours that actively challenge toxic masculinity in a way that benefits both the individual and society (this is in contrast to toxic masculinity, which I define as a set of attitudes and behaviours in men that are traditionally masculine, but are detrimental to the individual and society). For example, a man challenging his peers' sexist behaviours such as jokes. Or a man actively participating in child rearing and developing a healthy emotional bond. It's more than being a man and a good person; in my opinion, it only makes sense to define the concept in the wider context of feminist discourse, in relation to the patriarchal status quo. "Good men" are just good people, and that's all very nice, but doesn't mean much in this context. In a post-gender utopia, it would be enough, but that's not what we're discussing. Although I very much enjoyed the gender-positive dad talk; I also have a very chill dad like that except he's more of a weird nerd than a man's man. That's my take, hope it makes sense, it's 3 am. Cheers if you read this Shaun. Again thanks for doing what you're doing, this topic is close to my heart.
Magdalena Milewska
2023-02-04 02:42:31 +0000 UTCI really like and agree with your assessment and advice, particularly the distinction you make between patriarchy and masculinity - it sums up the problem succinctly being that patriarchy is more an instrument of social control rather than empowerment. This is something that’s been lacking in other arguments I’ve seen made, where it comes off as though the creator is validating the right’s framing of masculinity, which (I hope) is obviously not good. Well done, and thank you.
peachycliodhna
2023-02-03 20:27:25 +0000 UTCThat was definitely the most compassionate video on the topic of Andrew Tate's influence I've watched, and something I think has been missing from the conversation on a lot of places. Thank you.
The Escape Merchant
2023-02-03 15:09:08 +0000 UTCYou deserve a break, but I'm also glad you didn't take one. But also take a break if you need one. But please keep posting videos as well.
Mailman Paul
2023-02-03 13:55:04 +0000 UTCI thought you gave better advice then most folks but especially Jordan BP. Thanks for that. I'll share when it goes live to my nephews. Cheers
Lynn Short
2023-02-03 05:18:58 +0000 UTC+1, and also the 'numbers game' ideology doesn't help solve the base problem - they aren't connecting well with other people (including women) and that's isolating. By listening to others and opening yourself up for critique, you gain stronger bonds that you aren't able to achieve by being a 1-person island
Emily
2023-02-03 05:16:29 +0000 UTCOn the question of positive masculinity, I think your argument can still be rephrased as your dad being "a man who is good": his good trait isn't something that has to do with masculinity. I could say that positive feminity is exactly the same thing: do whatever stereotypically feminine things you want without forcing other to do it. I saw a question recently, "what is a good father" and the person asking insisted that the question had nothing to do with gender and they didn't want to talk about gender. But everything I could come up had nothing to do with "good fathers" and everything to do with "good parenting". About the last part where you give advice. It is obvious to me, as a woman, that men should ask women what they want to know what they want, but I've seen a lot of men who 100% believe "women are inherently dishonest" and so for these people, asking something to women just makes no sense, because they believe women will answer with lies. And tbh, men are often such a menace to women security, a random woman won't tell you the hard truths straight to your face because that would put her in danger... So maybe my advice would be "read women" and especially "read women who write for other women". Or watch videos idk
Lana Sinapayen
2023-02-03 04:38:22 +0000 UTCThe thing you said about Tate being cartoonish is valid for Trump as well, but still he had a huge appeal to a lot of people everywhere. So I don't know if the assessment that his audience is small because most people are moderately well adjusted is correct..
Lana Sinapayen
2023-02-03 04:08:48 +0000 UTCOh man when you talked about "dudes who suck" it kind of hit home, mainly because I am of an age when men like that could potentially provide a woman with what she otherwise could not herself, although being GenX I'm on the cusp of that. I've been single for a very long time because dudes just keep sucking, but that would have been harder to maintain in the past when I couldn't at the very least claim benefits in my own right. Many dudes my age suck sadly, because as you mentioned in the video, they were taught to suck by their boomer fathers. I like the advice at the end. It is important to avoid falling into the trap of trying to appeal to young men in the way the right do. Going the route of pointing out how patriarchy harms men more than it benefits them is not just more truthful, it's definitely better than allowing men into leftist spaces on the basis they can still act like arseholes. It really needs to be pointed out more, I don't think there is enough discussion about the harm patriarchy does men. When they don't hear that, it's too easy for men to think smashing the patriarchy is just about women denying them sex or whatever.
Martha
2023-02-03 03:08:40 +0000 UTCHi, chiming in as a woman to say you nailed it in my opinion and I just really hope the meassage will reach those who need to hear it. Men approaching women and dating as a strategy game is really common and sad and pathetic, and I say that with all the compassion in the world. Be a human first. It's hard, but hey, we're all in the same boat. Gender roles have fucked us all. That's my notes, thanks for making this, it's great.
Magdalena Milewska
2023-02-03 01:35:47 +0000 UTCI love the video. I've tried to make some of these arguments in the past. Many on the left will talk about how awful the advice is from Tate and others, but often it feels like they're not offering anything as a counter. How does rejecting alpha male bullshit help them? How is it going to help them find companionship? At the start, avoid any ideology. I don't know about others, but realizing how I want to treat people came long before my leftist beliefs. Showing genuine interest in getting to know a woman, or anyone you like is always a plus. People love to talk about themselves, but not in a self-centered way. I think when you talk to someone and they seem to be truly interested in what you have to say is one of the best feeling social interactions.
Jeffrey Miller
2023-02-03 01:04:21 +0000 UTCThat was great! Definitely one of my favorite videos of yours. A great length, too, and something I feel I can share with some of my non-leftie friends.
JayCyrZak
2023-02-02 23:52:28 +0000 UTCI love how succinctly you describe how the "male provider" role has become less important and also more difficult to attain. Feel like it massively hits the nail on the head as to the core reason why people are chucking money at Tate. Probably explains why people keep going mad for crypto and getting caught in Ponzi schemes.
Reece
2023-02-02 23:33:09 +0000 UTCLove the vid! A great follow up to the behind the bastards episodes
Corran Gautier
2023-02-02 23:11:50 +0000 UTCI very much enjoy the positive Dad talk <3
Matt Crowley
2023-02-02 23:04:30 +0000 UTCAbsolutely loved listening to this, genuinely thank you for reaching out to men. Seeing a lot of hate on the left kicked off by Vaushs video about the topic made me really sad. Hope you can include the intent to reach to men in the title so that anyone who sees the video will hear that.
Jonathan Crimmann
2023-02-02 22:53:06 +0000 UTCThe Return of the King
Malachi Biffle
2023-02-02 22:35:42 +0000 UTC
