twokinds / Nat and Keith

In general, I try to let other run their own lives, I have a hard enough time running mine. I'm not intending to be disrespectful toward you, anyone else, or any group, nor do I have any issue with anyone who wants to see Nat as male only. I'm simply explaining why I choose to see Natani as both due to this character's unique circumstances. How our wolf works through these things (inner dialogues, the Youngtani sequence, "girl-talk" with Kat) is one of the reasons Nat is one of my favorite characters. So I do ask that you don't project my opinion about a fictional 6-foot bipedal anthropomorphic wolf in my favorite webcomic onto real-life people or situations. My wife and I have friends and a couple of relatives who are gay or bi , so I'm pretty sure we're not anything-phobic. As I stated earlier, I was just enjoying the back and forth discussion/debate concerning our respective reasons for seeing Natani as we do. My opinion is not intended as an attack on your opinion. Apology accepted, fur enough?

feralcat52

2024-12-20 15:56:18 +0000 UTC

You can have whatever headcanon you want, but you should still respect that he's canonically male, just look at his ref sheet. Referring to Nat as female is not only disrespectful towards the character, as he's explicitly stated several times that he wants to be seen as the guy he is, and not a woman, but also to all the queer fans who relate to him, one of which happens to be my good friend. So yes, it is near and dear to me. I've been in this "debate" enough times to know there's rarely anything friendly about people claiming that Nat is a woman. I can count on my fingers the amount of times their "argument" didn't just devolve into general transphobia, one guy even started spewing out bible verses and equating trans people to demons or some shit. All that said, you don't seem like you're one of those, so I apologize if I come across as too harsh or rude.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-18 21:36:57 +0000 UTC

Ok, my friend. I was enjoying what I meant as a friendly debate about a really interesting character in a fine webcomic that we both enjoy, not an argument or a judgement. It remains my opinion that being both is part of what makes our wolf friend such an intriguing character. If you prefer to see Nat as fully male, that works too. We all perceive things in our own way. However, I'm getting the feeling from your ending sentence that I have inadvertently stepped on the toes of an issue near and dear to your heart. No offense was intended. Fair enough? Or would that be FUR enough?

feralcat52

2024-12-18 15:52:31 +0000 UTC

It's literally Youngtani that says that, on page 928-933, with him confirming that he always wanted to be a boy, even if it wasn't for the guild or soul link. Nat doesn't really have a "female personality", as Tom himself said, Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself. He doesn't know the first thing about women or what they're like and thus doesn't relate to them at all. That's a direct quote, by the way. Natani isn't "both male and female", he's just male. Also, someone else's identity isn't a matter of your opinion.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-17 23:06:51 +0000 UTC

And henceforth Nat was called cookie monster wolf.

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-17 22:27:22 +0000 UTC

I can't tell you what they're intentions were... despite having given Keith they're blessing before they might of had a change of heart and thought laura would get hurt if her and keith's marriage didn't work out and likely thought it would be best to shut it down, this kinda thing happens a lot... someone thinks they're looking out for you and end up hurting you instead, I can't think of any other reason why they'd bless the marriage then whisper doubts in laura's ear, maybe it wasn't just a lie but also false hope on they're part as in they might of thought she'd find a Keidran male soon enough and were just wrong.

bowman502

2024-12-17 17:51:01 +0000 UTC

https://www.deviantart.com/comments/4/740309/5037054574 Here you go, with context and everything.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-17 17:08:49 +0000 UTC

I'm glad there's still some reasonable people to be found here. Connie is lucky to have you.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-17 17:07:35 +0000 UTC

with. So it's my personal opinion that Nat is truly both male and female.

feralcat52

2024-12-17 15:52:03 +0000 UTC

I don't remember that, but at this point in life there's getting to be a lot of things I don't remember :P , so I'll take your word for it. If you can give me the strip #'s I'll go back and look. However, if you go back and look at the "Youngtani" sequence, you'll note that Nat has some female personality as well, which he/she begins to come to terms

feralcat52

2024-12-17 15:50:59 +0000 UTC

dissagree. i think that's part of clovis's lie

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-17 11:13:54 +0000 UTC

Well Keidran don't traditionally wear clothing

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-17 11:13:02 +0000 UTC

Not complaining in the slightest, but I cannot help but notice the original prompt doesn't mention them being naked :P

themunck

2024-12-17 06:31:11 +0000 UTC

@Dan Vaelling i’d love a link to that quote so i can put it on the 2K wiki!!

Skye

2024-12-17 03:45:00 +0000 UTC

Thank you for the time and respect of explaining your position! I try hard to keep my personal views to myself, and I try even harder to keep my aggravation at those who impose their choices on others. Connie spent a great many evenings hurt and crying because of it. I hurt me to see a friend I consider family go through that. Again, thanks.

wjd1206

2024-12-17 02:29:13 +0000 UTC

Ah, someone more well versed in this subject than myself...

Noxitious

2024-12-17 01:38:53 +0000 UTC

I won't argue with that, being that I work in HVAC. Heat transfer is my jam. However, I still need to agree with Noxitious on this. Even a single steel plate is enough to keep air from mixing, which I have seen enough times to know keenly. Once the fire goes out, though, heat will definitely transfer, in accordance with entropy, until the room is close to the same temperature as the outside. I figure daylight will be the balancing factor. You'll still have heat transfer even with the fire going, don't get me wrong, but biology views things as relative, and as such is relatively stupid. Nat and Keith won't notice the cold, but chances are the fire was lit recently, so the room is likely quite cold. I cite the hot cocoa still having its toppings in place. If they had been there a while, those would either be consumed or melted away.

RivCA

2024-12-17 01:19:28 +0000 UTC

I think you misunderstand me. I'm just saying that it's already been confirmed that Natani's whole soul thing didn't impact his gender identity, his meeting with Youngtani established that. Having his restoration impact it would effectively retcon that meeting, as it would go against what Youngtani said. I agree with your sentiment, and wish your friend all the best, But Natani has already on several occasions declared his own true feelings and self image, he's already done the (literal) soul searching and found out who he truly is. As Tom himself said: "Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself. He doesn't know the first thing about women or what they're like and thus doesn't relate to them at all. He doesn't actually hate his body even though he often says he does, Natani just hates that it changes how people see him. He doesn't want to be treated differently because of it. How and why it happened or whether it 'counts' isn't important to me. At the end of the day, a person is the culmination of their life experiences. Whether by choice or by magic, Natani is the way he is now, and the comic is about him trying to reconcile his mind and body. That's the conflict, and it's what makes the character interesting to me." - Tom. (I have a link to the comment, if you want it.) You sound like a nice person, and I'm sorry if my previous comment came across poorly, I just get a bit worked up by these people who refuse to respect Natani's character and identity.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-17 00:53:46 +0000 UTC

So her parents are indirectly involved with her death...

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-17 00:33:45 +0000 UTC

ok scratch that, Chapter 11 is when said confession took place. her parents pressured her, she ran, felt too guilty about it to face him, started searching for him afterward and so on, her parents DID tell keith she cheated but I believe this was a blatant lie on their part, I was not trying to spread false info sorry.

bowman502

2024-12-16 23:44:19 +0000 UTC

if I recall correctly from when I read it the only mention of infidelity was the illusion natani cast when she and zen tried to kill them, when they reunited at the basitin island she revealed that she ran away because she was overwhelmed but never confirmed she cheated, I'm 99.9% certain SHE DID NOT CHEAT... she just ran off most of the purdinant info is in chapter 15 I believe.

bowman502

2024-12-16 23:23:06 +0000 UTC

A person's evolution in life is not a 'retcon'. My best friend finally having the courage (and support) to declare true feelings and self image is not a 'retcon'! I have no preference with Natani, and I feel we all should respect anyone's self image. But like Natani, my friend showed profound changes in their life leading up to her declaration. If Natani were a real life person, I would quietly ask in private and support from that information. Since Natani is a story character, I am willing to wait and support from there; ignoring those trying to impose or direct their desired outcome. I applaud all who work their way through such an antagonizing problem, regardless of their final choices!

wjd1206

2024-12-16 20:24:18 +0000 UTC

But it's been confirmed that his gender was unaffected by the soul rend, so his soul being restored also won't affect it. The odds of Tom effectively retconning over a decade of character developments are nonexistent.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 19:57:57 +0000 UTC

Incorrect, it's been confirmed that Nat's masculine feelings and male identity all came from himself, and that the black magic and soul meld had no impact on that. Zen just thought so, and that belief was what got carried over.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 19:49:33 +0000 UTC

I agree that following the patreon without reading the comic is rather foolish. I also think correcting someone without having the full story is equally foolish. To that end however, to point out page 1036 (a good point by the way) without pointing out pages 1203, 1204, 1205 and 1206 (especially page 1206, the words of the first panel say "I can feel it... ...after so long... The missing part of my soul...") That indicates a profound change in self image. It doesn't say Natani's pronouns will change... but they could, and I hope we all can accept whatever comes (especially those who seem to enjoy hackling everyone's fur with their choice of pronouns. Once again I say, let the character inform us of who they are!

wjd1206

2024-12-16 19:17:48 +0000 UTC

I would agree with you if Natani had a fully male soul, but in his/her case I believe either one can be correct, as Nat's original female soul was shattered and was repaired with parts of her/his original self plus parts of Zen's male soul. Therefore, I believe Natani's "self" would be both male and female.

feralcat52

2024-12-16 18:47:36 +0000 UTC

Keith then tries to hide another stash of cookies to himself, forgetting Nattie's nose knows where to find all snacks: whether they be hers or not~

Daemon Blitzkrieg

2024-12-16 18:35:49 +0000 UTC

I'm also more or less aware of the laws of thermodynamics, but unless this is the modern AU I rather doubt that window has the benefit of modern double-pane gas envelope insulation technology, and as a result is probably a major source of heat loss.

Argonwolf

2024-12-16 18:00:05 +0000 UTC

…who would follow the patreon but not the comic??? also, if that’s the situation, then they shouldn’t be correcting people, don’t you think?

Skye

2024-12-16 17:58:50 +0000 UTC

@Fukata Chill bruh, if they follow the Patreon but not the comic they probably don't know Nat's trans, and if they've seen any of the numerous images prominently displaying his large breasts it's totally fair to assume he's a girl. If and when they double down on Nat being a girl? Then rip them a new one, because that's when you know they're the kind of person who thinks the entire world should be a safe space away from things they personally think are strange, at the expense of anyone who doesn't fit their definition of normal.

Argonwolf

2024-12-16 17:57:17 +0000 UTC

I love it so much! I hope this gets colored so I can set it as my desktop background. 💜

DonnaTheShark

2024-12-16 16:44:40 +0000 UTC

*He.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 15:20:47 +0000 UTC

@biazar lockhart - You might want to read the comic before you correct people, stops you looking stupid. Damn, the transphobes in the replies are in such denial, lol. Just keep pretending it's not been confirmed over and over again, with less and less subtlety because some of you are refusing to accept it.

Fukata

2024-12-16 14:33:24 +0000 UTC

Keith: Please don't eat all the cookies this time. Natani: Cookie! (devouring sounds) OMMMM-nom-nom-nom-nom.. [She eats all the cookies off of the plate.] Keith: ......

SCD

2024-12-16 14:00:02 +0000 UTC

Another fox Keidran. Her family started giving her grief because of her relationship with Keith and she ran away. Keith looked for her but couldn't find her. Later, he was told she was with another fox Keidran and he left her village.

Glenn Sellers

2024-12-16 09:38:14 +0000 UTC

WHo did laura cheat in him with?

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-16 08:37:04 +0000 UTC

A whole tangled mass of fur, paws, and squish. They might need a bigger blanket.

Rook Prime

2024-12-16 08:29:32 +0000 UTC

Yes, that‘s what I had in mind. Thank You!

Joshu Kel'Machan

2024-12-16 06:48:05 +0000 UTC

That's cute

Isaiah James

2024-12-16 06:07:40 +0000 UTC

This one? https://www.deviantart.com/twokinds/art/Notable-Civilizations-890714376

Venarus

2024-12-16 05:01:15 +0000 UTC

Good to see the two enyoing the situation, I like the scene.

Joshu Kel'Machan

2024-12-16 04:22:39 +0000 UTC

Yes, there is a size chart somewhere, not from the main cast but about the races in general. Wolf Keidran are the bigest, Basitin the smalest ones. Alas I don‘t remember where I found it. Perhaps someone can help?

Joshu Kel'Machan

2024-12-16 04:20:48 +0000 UTC

but their size diffrence I mean are wolf keidrans really that big or is nat and Zen just tall specimins? Does tom have a size chart for the main cast?

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-16 03:39:28 +0000 UTC

Cute

MR, ABYSS

2024-12-16 03:11:21 +0000 UTC

Fluffy boi snuggles are wonderful.

Argonwolf

2024-12-16 03:05:25 +0000 UTC

"NoooooooOOO WAIT DON'T STEP ON THAT LAND MI-" boom

Argonwolf

2024-12-16 03:03:39 +0000 UTC

Natani the big spoon

luckmans2

2024-12-16 02:20:58 +0000 UTC

In the official comic, they bonded gradually. He didn't take one look and say, "Whoa, mama." In fact, he had become disenchanted with Kiedran when Laura cheated on him.

Stephen Gilberg

2024-12-16 02:09:24 +0000 UTC

twokinds fans be like "natani is a female". my brother in christ, the comic explicity stated that he's a guy lmaoooo

MaxEnby

2024-12-16 02:05:29 +0000 UTC

i do hope everyone else shares a moment like this somewhere else in the room or in their own homes/apartments

silver dragonia

2024-12-16 01:46:40 +0000 UTC

maybe by chance he did pick natani without realizing how he did feel at first?

silver dragonia

2024-12-16 01:46:05 +0000 UTC

I know Keith seems to like Kiedran girls but, did he really mean to pick such a Huge one?

Netari Icefyng

2024-12-16 01:33:44 +0000 UTC

I'm glad you said it because the more I've pointed out that trans fans exist in this community during these arguments, the more some will take the coward's option of ignoring that fact before inevitably blocking those of us who have the decency to acknowledge trans existence and representation

AlaricLives87

2024-12-16 01:10:39 +0000 UTC

did you read p. 1036? Tom wrote that explicitly to dispel the idea that Nat’s gender was “cured.” “I mean, I do feel less self-conscious about my body… But I do still think of myself as a guy.”

Skye

2024-12-16 00:48:00 +0000 UTC

It has been outright stated on multiple occasions. "Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself." - Tom, on DeviantArt.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 00:25:25 +0000 UTC

I've always said: You love who you love! What a wonderful scene!

wjd1206

2024-12-16 00:22:20 +0000 UTC

Come on! I'm quite sure it will be stated outright sooner or later. Respect all around it's the character's choice (and thereby Tom's) not ours regardless of our opinions or feelings on the subject! EVERYONE has the right to self determination!

wjd1206

2024-12-16 00:20:32 +0000 UTC

It's the ankle wraps that are nudity or not!

Kodalynx

2024-12-16 00:08:31 +0000 UTC

I don't think Keith is wearing ANYTHING but Natani's arms around him.

Bill Redfern

2024-12-16 00:05:50 +0000 UTC

cozy gay bois <3

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 00:05:20 +0000 UTC

Except Nat's objectively a guy, and that's been clearly stated numerous times both in and out of the comic, it's not a matter of opinion. To claim anything else at this point is plain old transphobia and erasure.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-16 00:02:07 +0000 UTC

Someone's pronouns are what they refer to themselves as. As long as the character has not changed them, he is a he. Others don't get to choose for them, same nonsense trans people deal with every day.

Kodalynx

2024-12-16 00:00:57 +0000 UTC

That's objectively incorrect, it's been confirmed that Nat's masculine feelings and male identity all came from himself, that the black magic and soul meld had no impact on that. Zen just thought so, and that belief was what got carried over. Nat's still a guy, always will be, always has been.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-15 23:59:39 +0000 UTC

😆

Kodalynx

2024-12-15 23:56:38 +0000 UTC

Except their opinion is just as valid as yours. I've no idea what pronouns are correct in this case - Nat being Nat is good enough for me personally - but you attacking anyone with a different opinion than yourself in every comment isn't really helping your cause.

AstroChaos

2024-12-15 23:54:01 +0000 UTC

Maddie: "You're not wearing your ankle wraps?!? I'm telling Mom!!!"

Anonymous1988

2024-12-15 23:52:41 +0000 UTC

Adorable guys! And gasp, bare ankles, scandalous.

Kodalynx

2024-12-15 23:44:29 +0000 UTC

Then stop correcting trans people with your opinion.

Kodalynx

2024-12-15 23:43:50 +0000 UTC

"The community" includes a lot of trans people and their families and loved ones who enjoyed this comic and support it, so mind your cisbias opinions, please. Kindly point to the artist saying what you claim or shut it, because you're alienating people that are already being invalidated by their own governments and who enjoyed the representation here.

Kodalynx

2024-12-15 23:43:07 +0000 UTC

That's lovely!

Rosenkavalier

2024-12-15 23:37:22 +0000 UTC

Yep. Despite some community declarations. Natani is female, but her brother's mind overwrote part of hers via a spell. Now that it has been undone in the comic, Natani is finally fully female again, but still with the mental stain of another mind. Mind healing is weird. The community just hasn't caught on and gets angry about it.

Muninn_Crow

2024-12-15 23:36:11 +0000 UTC

Guys, chill. I know this community has different camps on Natani's gender, but you all keep correcting each other. There is no prize.

Muninn_Crow

2024-12-15 23:32:37 +0000 UTC

While there are some factors that I have disregarded for this explanation, this should generally sum up the result of this scene...

Noxitious

2024-12-15 23:25:47 +0000 UTC

According to the laws of thermodynamics, unless that window has a break in its seal or the frame is in some way damaged, the barrier between the external and internal temperature should keep them as they are: separate. Plus, with the heat rising in the fireplace, it can sustain a sufficient thermal barrier by itself and maintain the heat inside. Henceforth, with sufficient levels of heat generation and insulation, it should only feel hotter the more insulated it is...

Noxitious

2024-12-15 23:24:19 +0000 UTC

Nat's a guy.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-15 23:14:42 +0000 UTC

No, he's a trans man.

Dan Vaelling

2024-12-15 23:13:41 +0000 UTC

Loving!

Jonathan

2024-12-15 23:12:48 +0000 UTC

Physically, yes. Their mindset is still kind of jumbled though, due to being linked to Zen for so long…

SophieTRat-Skunk

2024-12-15 23:05:23 +0000 UTC

Nat is female though?

Biazar Lockhart

2024-12-15 23:03:02 +0000 UTC

I am just wondering when they'll get married and how that'll go

Biazar Lockhart

2024-12-15 23:02:26 +0000 UTC

4th leg is Keith's and also hidden by the pillow, I think?

Tim C

2024-12-15 23:01:19 +0000 UTC

BEST COUPLE!

bowman502

2024-12-15 23:01:06 +0000 UTC

Sometimes I almost forget how much bigger Nat is than Keith, but then we get reminded that he MUST be the big spoon. Super cozy vibes!

Volpethrope

2024-12-15 22:37:09 +0000 UTC

This is gotta be the most wholesome thing Tom has ever made so far.

wayne sampson

2024-12-15 22:34:13 +0000 UTC

Thanks Tom! Super cute :D

Tak

2024-12-15 22:33:15 +0000 UTC

they are not directly in front of the fireplace, and not that close - and right next to a window, and it is cold outside!

jay maechtlen

2024-12-15 22:25:12 +0000 UTC

I only see three legs and feet - confusing

jay maechtlen

2024-12-15 22:23:57 +0000 UTC

So uh . . . which one is the "snow man" and which one is the "christmas tree" - if you know what I mean

Platus

2024-12-15 22:23:42 +0000 UTC

Fireside...naked apparently

ThirdKind

2024-12-15 22:22:31 +0000 UTC

CUUUUTE COZY BOYFRIENDS

Skye

2024-12-15 22:22:13 +0000 UTC

*him!

Skye

2024-12-15 22:21:56 +0000 UTC

They start to fall asleep, resting on each other, embracing the warmth ...until suddenly Nat gets the Zoomies and Keith has to get up and let her run around in a snow for a few minutes...

Spillthefire6

2024-12-15 22:09:48 +0000 UTC

Why does Natani have a colla-- oh wait, that's ear. … On what is Natani's ankle resting against? 👀

J. N. Squire

2024-12-15 22:07:01 +0000 UTC

Magic heat proofing. In a world still mainly run by wood/fire heat system ,such protection is crucial

Spillthefire6

2024-12-15 22:03:50 +0000 UTC

Goals

Aerie

2024-12-15 22:03:48 +0000 UTC

Misread "Fireside" as "Freeside". They look cozy, though. Great art as always.

MikoMart

2024-12-15 22:02:31 +0000 UTC

I love these guys so much. Relationship goals

AlaricLives87

2024-12-15 21:58:19 +0000 UTC

Incomprehensible levels of heat generation. Two fur coats, a blanket, and a fireplace. I sense spontaneous combustion in their near future...

Noxitious

2024-12-15 21:57:55 +0000 UTC

No magic mistletoe is needed for these boys :3

Natali_Wolffe

2024-12-15 21:57:45 +0000 UTC

Cute and cozy nekkid cuddles! These two lovebirds are sweeter than the hot cocoa and cookies.

Ordithus

2024-12-15 21:57:43 +0000 UTC

I tell you ahead of time that 100% of this comment section will be filled with "aww so cute, so sweet 🥰"

1 week ago

2024-12-15 21:57:31 +0000 UTC

This is so sweet and cozy! :)

RemyHindle

2024-12-15 21:57:27 +0000 UTC

Aww sweet and cute

Twokinds fan

2024-12-15 21:56:41 +0000 UTC

Nat and Keith - Fireside

Comments

And henceforth Nat was called cookie monster wolf.

https://www.deviantart.com/comments/4/740309/5037054574 Here you go, with context and everything.

I'm glad there's still some reasonable people to be found here. Connie is lucky to have you.

with. So it's my personal opinion that Nat is truly both male and female.

dissagree. i think that's part of clovis's lie

Well Keidran don't traditionally wear clothing

Not complaining in the slightest, but I cannot help but notice the original prompt doesn't mention them being naked :P

@Dan Vaelling i’d love a link to that quote so i can put it on the 2K wiki!!

Ah, someone more well versed in this subject than myself...

So her parents are indirectly involved with her death...

But it's been confirmed that his gender was unaffected by the soul rend, so his soul being restored also won't affect it. The odds of Tom effectively retconning over a decade of character developments are nonexistent.

Incorrect, it's been confirmed that Nat's masculine feelings and male identity all came from himself, and that the black magic and soul meld had no impact on that. Zen just thought so, and that belief was what got carried over.

Keith then tries to hide another stash of cookies to himself, forgetting Nattie's nose knows where to find all snacks: whether they be hers or not~

I'm also more or less aware of the laws of thermodynamics, but unless this is the modern AU I rather doubt that window has the benefit of modern double-pane gas envelope insulation technology, and as a result is probably a major source of heat loss.

…who would follow the patreon but not the comic??? also, if that’s the situation, then they shouldn’t be correcting people, don’t you think?

I love it so much! I hope this gets colored so I can set it as my desktop background. 💜

*He.

Keith: Please don't eat all the cookies this time. Natani: Cookie! (devouring sounds) OMMMM-nom-nom-nom-nom.. [She eats all the cookies off of the plate.] Keith: ......

Another fox Keidran. Her family started giving her grief because of her relationship with Keith and she ran away. Keith looked for her but couldn't find her. Later, he was told she was with another fox Keidran and he left her village.

WHo did laura cheat in him with?

A whole tangled mass of fur, paws, and squish. They might need a bigger blanket.

Yes, that‘s what I had in mind. Thank You!

That's cute

This one? https://www.deviantart.com/twokinds/art/Notable-Civilizations-890714376

Good to see the two enyoing the situation, I like the scene.

Yes, there is a size chart somewhere, not from the main cast but about the races in general. Wolf Keidran are the bigest, Basitin the smalest ones. Alas I don‘t remember where I found it. Perhaps someone can help?

but their size diffrence I mean are wolf keidrans really that big or is nat and Zen just tall specimins? Does tom have a size chart for the main cast?

Cute

Fluffy boi snuggles are wonderful.

"NoooooooOOO WAIT DON'T STEP ON THAT LAND MI-" *boom*

Natani the big spoon

In the official comic, they bonded gradually. He didn't take one look and say, "Whoa, mama." In fact, he had become disenchanted with Kiedran when Laura cheated on him.

twokinds fans be like "natani is a female". my brother in christ, the comic explicity stated that he's a guy lmaoooo

i do hope everyone else shares a moment like this somewhere else in the room or in their own homes/apartments

maybe by chance he did pick natani without realizing how he did feel at first?

I know Keith seems to like Kiedran girls but, did he really mean to pick such a Huge one?

I'm glad you said it because the more I've pointed out that trans fans exist in this community during these arguments, the more some will take the coward's option of ignoring that fact before inevitably blocking those of us who have the decency to acknowledge trans existence and representation

did you read p. 1036? Tom wrote that explicitly to dispel the idea that Nat’s gender was “cured.” “I mean, I do feel less self-conscious about my body… But I do still think of myself as a guy.”

It *has* been outright stated on multiple occasions. "Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself." - Tom, on DeviantArt.

I've always said: You love who you love! What a wonderful scene!

Come on! I'm quite sure it will be stated outright sooner or later. Respect all around it's the character's choice (and thereby Tom's) not ours *regardless* of our opinions or feelings on the subject! EVERYONE has the right to self determination!

It's the ankle wraps that are nudity or not!

I don't think Keith is wearing ANYTHING but Natani's arms around him.

cozy gay bois <3

Except Nat's objectively a guy, and that's been clearly stated numerous times both in and out of the comic, it's not a matter of opinion. To claim anything else at this point is plain old transphobia and erasure.

Someone's pronouns are what they refer to themselves as. As long as the character has not changed them, he is a he. Others don't get to choose for them, same nonsense trans people deal with every day.

That's objectively incorrect, it's been confirmed that Nat's masculine feelings and male identity all came from himself, that the black magic and soul meld had no impact on that. Zen just thought so, and that belief was what got carried over. Nat's still a guy, always will be, always has been.

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Except their opinion is just as valid as yours. I've no idea what pronouns are correct in this case - Nat being Nat is good enough for me personally - but you attacking anyone with a different opinion than yourself in every comment isn't really helping your cause.

Maddie: "You're not wearing your ankle wraps?!? I'm telling Mom!!!"

Adorable guys! And gasp, bare ankles, scandalous.

Then stop correcting trans people with your opinion.

That's lovely!

Guys, chill. I know this community has different camps on Natani's gender, but you all keep correcting each other. There is no prize.

While there are some factors that I have disregarded for this explanation, this should generally sum up the result of this scene...

Nat's a guy.

No, he's a trans man.

Loving!

Physically, yes. Their mindset is still kind of jumbled though, due to being linked to Zen for so long…

Nat is female though?

I am just wondering when they'll get married and how that'll go

4th leg is Keith's and also hidden by the pillow, I think?

BEST COUPLE!

Sometimes I almost forget how much bigger Nat is than Keith, but then we get reminded that he MUST be the big spoon. Super cozy vibes!

This is gotta be the most wholesome thing Tom has ever made so far.

Thanks Tom! Super cute :D

they are not directly in front of the fireplace, and not that close - and right next to a window, and it is cold outside!

I only see three legs and feet - confusing

So uh . . . which one is the "snow man" and which one is the "christmas tree" - if you know what I mean

Fireside...naked apparently

CUUUUTE COZY BOYFRIENDS

*him!

They start to fall asleep, resting on each other, embracing the warmth ...until suddenly Nat gets the Zoomies and Keith has to get up and let her run around in a snow for a few minutes...

Why does Natani have a colla-- oh wait, that's ear. … On what is Natani's ankle resting against? 👀

Magic heat proofing. In a world still mainly run by wood/fire heat system ,such protection is crucial

Goals

Misread "Fireside" as "Freeside". They look cozy, though. Great art as always.

I love these guys so much. Relationship goals

"NoooooooOOO WAIT DON'T STEP ON THAT LAND MI-" boom

It has been outright stated on multiple occasions. "Natani has the mind of a guy and that's how he sees himself." - Tom, on DeviantArt.

Come on! I'm quite sure it will be stated outright sooner or later. Respect all around it's the character's choice (and thereby Tom's) not ours regardless of our opinions or feelings on the subject! EVERYONE has the right to self determination!